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Aww, thank you. I totally agree - I am still here because of my friends, as well as I still go to Sims 3 Caw forum as I am still willing to help many of my friends test their Sims 3 worlds as I have always done. I am in fact waiting for one to be finished - the Simmer already asked even though it still has a good amount of work to do on the world - it looks fabulous. i just wished they had left Sims 3 forum a separate place - so then I probably would not come here at all. it is like a bad accident - it is hard to just go by everytime you have to pass it to get to where you are going. Add to that is hope - something a person with my own health issues live by is hope - so it is not easy for me to give up on my favorite game anymore than it is easy to give up hope i will maybe luck out and regain my health. After all both have been intertwined for some time - Sims kept me sane at times along with so many wonderful simmers over the years - so I guess I really mentally rebel against giving up hope - but anyway - enough of that.
I do truly thank you for your kind words - they are always appreciated. it is always nice to think I would be missed. It sort of makes you feel like I did some things right in my life after all - kind of thoughts. I cherish them for sure. Hugz.
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I bought the game out of faith that I have loved every other game in the series so far. I have and am willing to invest in extra content.
Toddlers aren't a deal breaker for me. But i think if the Base game felt more complete altogether people wouldn't be so angry about it because they could see what they've used their resources on instead. As it is, it is incomplete and many players are finding it dull. The more I play, the more I enjoy it but I've had to completely change the way I play to get to that and I'm not hooked like I was with all of the other base games.
I'm not bothering with any of the Eps if the Base game doesn't excite me enough. I can find other games worth my money. I've learned my lesson and won't be buying any more games based on faith in the franchise. I'll review, test and check online first before looking to buy.
I´ve always thought that toddlers were to be patched in, at a basic stage, to the base game, at the time when the Generations (or some) EP was ready to go, but not in a simple patch messed up with bugs fixes and such.
Toddlers will be a selling point for many simmers, even regarding other GPs and EPs, even for those who have not bought the base game yet, so when/if EA is ready to bring them out we will know it for sure with all the boasting and fanfare that EA is able to make, they will not be hidden in a monthly patch (IMO), there will be no surprise, we will be long before heavily advertised and pushed to buy the EP...
That said, while EA is close silent about toddlers it is because we are not near their realization, I start to doubt if we will have them at the end
I can play at last TS2 TS3 and TS4 So great that toddlers are here!!!
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Wow, you totally read my post way wrong! I didn't say anyone else should be happy, I simply stated that I was. I didn't say I wanted to change it even more, I said I was happy with my game. It's insane to me you replied the way you did and took so much time to post that huge response to my simple opinion that I'm happy without toddlers. I get you are upset, but you are taking it a bit far to jump on anyone who's opinion even slightly varies from your own.
Sorry to have ruined your life with my opinion about a game!
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You know what I think is sad? That people are actually suggesting that we should have such little faith in EA and the team that we should have just looked for a reason *not* to buy before release. Rather than appreciating that we bought to give the team the benefit of the doubt out of love for the sims. It's a really sad day when that loyalty is seen as a bad thing! (oh and ive not forgotten some of the same people were telling people off for not buying the game and trying it initially!)
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While I would never suggest to anyone they shouldn't believe in EA, if we're being honest here, loyalty comes with a price. Sometimes, they don't deliver. Sometimes, you don't get what you were hoping for. Somebody is going to be unhappy, no matter what. There's nothing that will please absolutely everybody.
We either get them or we don't. Complaining continuously/endless topics on this is becoming as much as a bother to me as not having the toddlers in the first place.
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There's some truth to that, but this isn't just a normal situation. They told us it was unfinished and they 'ran out of time'. Then patch in some missing things then act surprised that people expected them to completely finish the job, or that people want to know their intentions. @83bienchen has a quote in her signature regarding toddlers being a priority from a guru.
If they wanted to change the direction of the sims that's their prerogative. BUT then the onus is on EA to communicate that and their vision, and not have review embargoes which hide that from the loyal customers.
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Agreed.. The forums are becoming a unpleasant place now. Every thread is full bickering. Did they ever say why they won't comment on future content?
I believe they've said they can't because they're not allowed to at the minute.
Future content includes more than just content being developed. It includes ideas and concepts that may or may not actually make it into the game. It's the easiest way for EA to make players think something has the possibility of being developed. If they said toddlers were not being developed players would flat out stop playing the game. It would mean that they haven't been listening, which I think is clear enough at this point.
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I highly doubt this because 1) there are players who do not want toddlers and 2) some people who were disappointed with the changes still bought the game. EA doesn't exactly have much to worry about.
They do actually. I know many players bought the game because of comments made before release about content not being included "at launch". Others (like myself) gave the developers the benefit of the doubt, I figured they couldn't possibly release a barren game; there had to be SOMETHING exciting they weren't telling. I was wrong. Toddlers are a very popular feature now that they are not included, I have been on the forums for years and I can tell you I have seen far more players asking for their return than I have asking for them to not return. Those players who based their purchase off of the words of Rachel Franklin are the ones now who are expecting them to come, and EA knows that. They aren't going to announce they're not coming when players will buy in the hopes they are.
Oh, I can feel the love all the way over here. Didn't I tell you earlier that if you're tired of reading the complaint threads all you have to do is stay away from them? I've trained myself to stay away from the "TS4 is the next best thing since sliced bread" threads...why can't you do the same and train yourself to stay away from the complaint threads? Oh yeah, can't resist the temptation to come into these threads and scornfully point out how wrong people are for feeling the way they do.
Yes, the implication here is "Just shut up already and stop talking about wanting toddlers. I don't want toddlers and I shouldn't have to put up with those who do." I'm getting really tired of the snarkiness of you players who don't want toddlers, and whose idea of defending EA/Maxis and the Sims 4 is to put other players down...players, who by the way, were told off for not buying The Sims 4 in the first place because they made the choice not to buy it due to the fact that: no toddlers.
But, hey...those players were told to "get over it"..."They'll be added in an expansion!"
"TS4 isn't TS2 or TS3, it's different game! Lose that TS3 mindset!" (said by one of the producers).
And to answer your question...the day they admit there will be no toddlers is the day they will lose a ton of fans that have been with them from the beginning. It's already happening. I am serious when I say that if their next expansion pack is "Pets" I'm gone from this forum and from the franchise. The reason is because "Pets" is clearly an attempt to distract players from wanting toddlers. They think that cute puppies and kittehs will take the place of toddlers. Fat chance. And besides real bear = too hard/too expensive/would take years to animate properly. *cough cough*
It chaps my hide that people seriously expect those who want toddlers to *pay* for them. Yeah, let's send EA a clear message: "We're unintelligent Sims players who will buy anything with a Sims label on it and dance for joy and feel deep gratitude for you making The Sims 4 in the first place."
Yeah.
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I'll never understand why players who don't want toddlers feel they have more leverage here than players who do. i guess it all boils down to some players not expecting a certain level of quality in the full priced AAA titles they buy.
I think being persistent in asking for toddlers is better then just asking it once and once only. They'll mistake it for people not caring.
We have the freedom of asking it over and over again. Players who are satisfied with just playing one life stage can always ignore it.
I agree. If something is important to players, and it's not being addressed it should be brought up at every turn so the developers know how important it is. With how heating players are getting I doubt they will be able to keep quiet on the situation for very much longer. We've seen what outrage on this forum can do, and I say go for it. If it forces them to release a blog post about toddlers that would be welcome, and it would definitely show players what is important to the people making the game.
While you and your daughter may find toddlers tiresome, and I can fully appreciate your opinion on that, there is always the ability to do what many did back in TS3. Simply age them up! I do not wish to sound mean, but what you're suggesting is that those of us who want toddlers can take a flying leap. To me, it's an easy decision. Choice. Right now, I hastily age up the baby/OBJECT I loathe so much, but at least we have a baby in the game, of sorts.
I am truly sorry the devs got the 'wrong' impression when people did that. It isn't that the age group, in many cases, was unwanted, but they (the devs) dumbed them down so much, as they did the babies from the TS2 versions, they truly weren't as much fun to play. And, now, they've done away with them altogether and tethered the newborns to the dern bassinet. (BTW, this was a grossly ridiculous way of keeping babies off the floor, in my opinion.) Oi!
They have already cut so many corners in this iteration, why, oh, why take out a life stage? All the devs had to do was bring back the interactions we had with both babies and toddlers from TS2, and add one more. The Sim holding baby must put baby in a safe place (not the floor) or hand baby off to another Sim. Problem solved. Safe places could include, bed, baby seat, swing or a playpen or even a play mat (so that baby isn't on the cold floor directly). And something another Sim would walk around.
P.S. I also had a codicil regarding my purchase of said base game: if gameplay didn't wow me, I wouldn't add another penny to TS4. I am enjoying myself. The Sims seem far livelier than in TS3 (my least favorite iteration) and well, I now have OR and GTW. Trying my best to be patient about the toddlers thing. And to remain hopeful.
As for getting the basics in a patch with more to come via an EP, that's what they did in TS3. All I can say is the basics better be closer to the TS2 version.
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Thank you @Sparkfairy1 and @Sul5ul! I agree completely!
You have real kids so you don't need any in your game and it's okay. But I was not lucky to have a child yet. And raising a family has been my favourite part of The Sims since TS2, because that is one thing I can't do in real life, so I like to have it in Sims at least. I don't really like playing the single sim because I am a student and I pretty much live like a single sim IRL.
But it's not about the toddlers actually. It's about missing the basic things, about things that make The Sims enjoyable and loved. We lost toddlers and continuity of aging process with them. Who knows what basic things will be taken from the game next time? Maybe it will be your favourite feature. And I don't want to see that happening because I don't want anyone to be frustrated about missing things like I am.
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> Writin_Reg you are a valued member of the community, and there are people who really do care for you and wish that things were different. It's hard to watch people who are utterly in love with the series becoming heartbroken over this 'vision' and the 'we are listening' rhetoric.
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> You know what I think is sad? That people are actually suggesting that we should have such little faith in EA and the team that we should have just looked for a reason *not* to buy before release. Rather than appreciating that we bought to give the team the benefit of the doubt out of love for the sims. It's a really sad day when that loyalty is seen as a bad thing! (oh and ive not forgotten some of the same people were telling people off for not buying the game and trying it initially!)
At the end of the day, EA is a business. I don't believe we should "have faith" in businesses anyway, because their loyalty is to their stockholders. Don't get me wrong - I love the Sims franchise and have played since the beginning. However, if there is something in a game that I find really bothersome, even in one I've stuck with for a long time (like SimCity as I mentioned earlier with the "always online" requirement), I choose not to shell out my money. While I don't think they should go backwards in terms of game features (which is the only reason why I personally want to see toddlers back), it's not a hill worth dying on for me personally - so I bought the game full knowing toddlers and other features weren't in it (I bought it months after release btw), being able to live with the game that was right in front of me at the time. If that wasn't the case, I would not have bought the game until said feature was fixed (and not necessarily even then, as I ended up going to Cities:Skylines even after SimCity got rid of "always online").
My only point is that regardless of what devs say, you have to remember that what you're buying is what you have in front of you - not "promises." Plans change, so on and so forth, even with the best of intentions. Besides, they have your money so it's not like they "have" to include it. They should respond to the fans, but realistically they don't have to.
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