Oh, I'd love to have Mt. Wright and Isla Cordinda in my game! And the basic weather system sounds good, as long as they expand upon it in a proper seasons expansion.
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Race Against the Clock: Can your elder sim turn back the clock before their time runs out?
Vacation - Take your Sims on vacation!
Head to Mt. Wright for fun winter getaway with ice skating, sledding, and snowboarding, and mysterious ice caves.
Or head to Isla Cordinda to soak up the sun and build sand castles, surf the waves, and uncover ancient tombs.
It's time to take your Sims on vacation!
Head to one of two new exciting locations with unique activities and weather.
Travel to the peaks of Mt. Wright for some winter fun where you can go ice skating, sledding, snowboarding, and explore the mysterious ice caves.
Or head to Isla Cordinda to soak up the sun, build sand castles, surf the waves, and uncover through the ancient tombs.
Summer Vacation: Experience the best of summer at an island getaway, with sand castles, surfing, and delicious island food and drinks.
Winter Getaway: Enjoy a winter wonderland with a snowy mountain vacation. Go snowboarding, sledding, make snowmen, or hit the lake for some ice skating!
Explore Ancient Locations: Explore ancient tombs in the jungle, or beautiful ice caves in the [... missing part ...] avoiding deadly traps and yetis.
Winter & Summer Seasons: Bring the weather home with you. Experience the warm days of summer or magical snowfall in your home town!
The Sims 4 Summer Holidays
The school is over and it’s time for your Sims to relax and enjoy the sun in The Sims 4 Summer Holidays. Choose your accommodation then go to the beach to make a sand castle or participate in a Hawaiian party. Tuck the waves on a surfboard or relax, pick up shellfish and discover unseen marine plants and animals.
Choose your accommodation – The Sims can rent a cabin on the beach, buy a holiday home on a cliff or go to a luxurious hotel with a view of the sea. Make fun activities at the beach Enjoy the sun and go to the beach to build A sand castle, a campfire or learn new dances during a Hawaiian evening.
Surfing – Make a hang-ten and fight with your surfing skills. Choose your surfboard and improve your skills to become a surfing legend and a local celebrity.
Explore the beach – Stroll along the beach where you can pick up rare marine plants and animals, discover new colorful corals and maybe even cross the legendary mermaid at sunset.
Keep in mind these surveys don't reveal everything. There could still be ocean swimming.
I hope we have boats that the sims can boat around in like in Sims 3 and as for surfing that was really pathetic in Sims 3 they could not even do it in the ocean I hope they don't do that again.
I really wish sims could swim in the ocean in Windenburg. Its so sad when my sims are at the beach on the island, and they can't go in the water
I doubt your sims care as they don't know of swimmable oceans or have a desire to go in them seeing the game does not have them and they are not programmed to want things they don't know of. Maybe you are sad your sim can't go into the ocean. LOL.
I really never got the big appeal for sims to have a swimmable ocean actually - as few of my sims ever do that in the past games - they seem to prefer pools. Even when I took my sims to the beaches in the other games all they did was build sandcastles unless I forced them to swim in the ocean. Same with the surfing thing I had in Sims 3 - unless I forced it - they did not do it. They did seem to enjoy all the water craft we had in IP on their own though - and some even seemed to enjoy deep sea diving - but swimming in the ocean - not so much. I'd be happy to get useable water craft though. I was disappointed we teleport with the boat in BB. That was just plain sad.
I don’t fully understand this post to be honest Sims are pixels. Wanting, regretting, caring, this always is something that happens in the minds of players, supported by facial expressions/moodlets/behaviour/pop ups from our little people. That doesn’t make the experience less genuinely felt. So if a simmer cares and regrets a sim can’t swim, that’s as factual as if sims had real feelings. It’s the main principle of the game one could even say. The fact sims don’t do certain things autonomously, doesn’t mean they don’t matter either. Apart from the fact my sims travel all the way through Egypt to splash in the river if I let them. This was in fact autonomously:
Which is when I decided they also wanted to do this.
Isn't the game about that? Teamwork between simmer and sim? It had never occurred to me they could do that, but when they did it seemed like a very good idea (and it was, no crocs in the Nile that day fortunately ).
I mean, I have no experience in game development, but if they already have the programming for ocean/lake swimming, how hard would it be to retroactively apply it to previous worlds? If the water's too shallow, the world people can adjust it to make it swimmable and make sure the swimming programming can be copied over
I really hope so because some people said some Guru tweeted that they can't figure how to make old worlds water bodies swimable (I think I saw the tweet somewhere but that was months ago)
It's not that they can't figure it out. But they've said multiple times that it's highly unlikely for them to retroactively make bodies of water in the old worlds routable and that they'd rather add it with newer worlds from the ground up. So I'll assume the amount of work they'd have to put into it is too much to justify changing the worlds on this scale. I do recall there being talk of messing up existing saves but I'm not sure how much that actually plays a role. However it would fit into their struggles with expanding existing worlds and existing world maps which is why we have stuff like Magnolia Promenade and Newcrest.
The odd thing about this is that they must have a plan when they start developing a Sims game, especially since swimming in open water isn't something new to the franchise. So why didn't they create the other neighborhoods with swimmable water from the get go?
I mean, I have no experience in game development, but if they already have the programming for ocean/lake swimming, how hard would it be to retroactively apply it to previous worlds? If the water's too shallow, the world people can adjust it to make it swimmable and make sure the swimming programming can be copied over
I really hope so because some people said some Guru tweeted that they can't figure how to make old worlds water bodies swimable (I think I saw the tweet somewhere but that was months ago)
It's not that they can't figure it out. But they've said multiple times that it's highly unlikely for them to retroactively make bodies of water in the old worlds routable and that they'd rather add it with newer worlds from the ground up. So I'll assume the amount of work they'd have to put into it is too much to justify changing the worlds on this scale. I do recall there being talk of messing up existing saves but I'm not sure how much that actually plays a role. However it would fit into their struggles with expanding existing worlds and existing world maps which is why we have stuff like Magnolia Promenade and Newcrest.
The odd thing about this is that they must have a plan when they start developing a Sims game, especially since swimming in open water isn't something new to the franchise. So why didn't they create the other neighborhoods with swimmable water from the get go?
I think their plan to start with for Sims 4 involved no swimmable water at all - or did you forget we did not even have pools - we had fountains - and unlike previous fountains our sims had zero interactions with the fountain - where as previous fountains sims were known to get into on their own and splash around or if they were deep enough would even try swimming in them. But in the base game my sims did not do anything with the fountain - up until we got that romantic fountain sp. They used an engine that promotes conversations, partying, multitasking at parties, and drinking and for activites jogging, exercises, and walking. Smart technology is not the kind of engine that has much focus in action of any kind and baffles me why they used this game engine unless this was the game engine for the online. In sims online this would have been the perfect engine because sims skilled and chatted and multi-tasked sort of - and not much else. For a good action game you need a good action game engine as well as the programming.
So had they not gotten so much opposition by us players - I believe we wouldn't even had pools to be honest - never mind any kind of activities outside of socializing, dinner parties, bars and clubs.
Oh and one other sort of important tidbit - smart technology engine supposed to lessen the need for animators in games and makes it easier for developers to completely program the game without needing constant engineers and animators to do all the action stuff - so changing anything in base programming, engine programming and the base game can foul up the programming of smart technology - and forces programmer to work within rather narrow perimeters. So because of this even if they wanted to do something they may have done before - this so called new amazing technology puts a giant splinter in the works - especially if it requires any sort of interactions with sims outside of the realm of conversing and socializing. It means nothing to say we had this or that in previous games - it is no guarantee this engine will allow any of that even though we know the devs could do these things - if the engine won't let them - they can't do it.
I don't believe water and Sims were meant to go together in this version of the Sims (outside of bathrooms) and they were forced to change directions - and when they did - discovered their chatty programming, design etc - had limitation to actually give simmers what we were yelling for - and they have been scrambling ever since. An unfortunate side affect seems to be programming an engine to do things it was not designed to do - causes broken save issues, breaks player options, build options, etc ,etc -so they are purely scrambling as they go trying to bend this social engine into some kind of actions. They are probably working twice as hard and getting only half the results - so it is definitely not laziness or lack of talent - it is the very opposite.
Keep in mind I am just speculating from what I see, from what I know and hear about this technology for this engine - and what has happened til now. My middle son is a C++ programmer and technology (including pc) specialist. But believe me I feel it in my bones the direction the game was actually planned for is not the direction we simmers found acceptable - so now they are scrambling to try and force it to do things it is not designed for or part of any of it's designs. Like needing special terrain to allow swimming other than in a pool. If you recall - even that seemed sketchy at release.
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In REALITY, I simply exist.....
Vacation - Take your Sims on vacation!
Head to Mt. Wright for fun winter getaway with ice skating, sledding, and snowboarding, and mysterious ice caves.
Or head to Isla Cordinda to soak up the sun and build sand castles, surf the waves, and uncover ancient tombs.
It's time to take your Sims on vacation!
Head to one of two new exciting locations with unique activities and weather.
Travel to the peaks of Mt. Wright for some winter fun where you can go ice skating, sledding, snowboarding, and explore the mysterious ice caves.
Or head to Isla Cordinda to soak up the sun, build sand castles, surf the waves, and uncover through the ancient tombs.
Summer Vacation: Experience the best of summer at an island getaway, with sand castles, surfing, and delicious island food and drinks.
Winter Getaway: Enjoy a winter wonderland with a snowy mountain vacation. Go snowboarding, sledding, make snowmen, or hit the lake for some ice skating!
Explore Ancient Locations: Explore ancient tombs in the jungle, or beautiful ice caves in the [... missing part ...] avoiding deadly traps and yetis.
Winter & Summer Seasons: Bring the weather home with you. Experience the warm days of summer or magical snowfall in your home town!
The Sims 4 Summer Holidays
The school is over and it’s time for your Sims to relax and enjoy the sun in The Sims 4 Summer Holidays. Choose your accommodation then go to the beach to make a sand castle or participate in a Hawaiian party. Tuck the waves on a surfboard or relax, pick up shellfish and discover unseen marine plants and animals.
Choose your accommodation – The Sims can rent a cabin on the beach, buy a holiday home on a cliff or go to a luxurious hotel with a view of the sea. Make fun activities at the beach Enjoy the sun and go to the beach to build A sand castle, a campfire or learn new dances during a Hawaiian evening.
Surfing – Make a hang-ten and fight with your surfing skills. Choose your surfboard and improve your skills to become a surfing legend and a local celebrity.
Explore the beach – Stroll along the beach where you can pick up rare marine plants and animals, discover new colorful corals and maybe even cross the legendary mermaid at sunset.
Keep in mind these surveys don't reveal everything. There could still be ocean swimming.
Sure or maybe they don't plan to add swimming in ocean in a pack... but adding it by a patch like TS3 Patch 1.42, who knows ?
Why would they give us swimming in the ocean they don't even stay in the pools very long and it would be nice if they would play some kind of game while in the pool not enough activities in Sims 4.
Why would they give us swimming in the ocean they don't even stay in the pools very long and it would be nice if they would play some kind of game while in the pool not enough activities in Sims 4.
The not staying in the pool that long sounds like a bug which can be patched.
Honestly do you really swim in the ocean in real life ?
Me, never !
The most of people play in the water at the beach but don't swim like at the swimming pool.
The sea currents can bring you far from the coast.
Swimming is required for scuba diving but it's no longer at the beach, you go farther off the coast and swim in the depth of the ocean.
Scuba diving isn't like swimming at the pool too.
Swimming like The Sims 3 is totally unrealistic.
I would prefer games in the water, the sims never play together.
Honestly do you really swim in the ocean in real life ?
Me, never !
The most of people play in the water at the beach but don't swim like at the swimming pool.
The sea currents can bring you far from the coast.
Swimming is required for scuba diving but it's no longer at the beach, you go farther off the coast and swim in the depth of the ocean.
Scuba diving isn't like swimming at the pool too.
Swimming like The Sims 3 is totally unrealistic.
I would prefer games in the water, the sims never play together.
When I was a kid we used to go on holiday in Greece. My brother and me would spend hours and hours in the sea, jumping of cliffs and fisher boats, snorkeling, digging up stones (throw it away and then try to find it), my father windsurfed and my mother? She laid on the beach, cooking, and every now and then - probably when she felt she was starting to get medium rare - she'd stand up, put on her cap with colourful daisies, go into the water and swim swim swim, till all we could see was a small colourful spot in the distance, like a buoy. Then she'd come back and start frying again.
Honestly do you really swim in the ocean in real life ?
Me, never !
The most of people play in the water at the beach but don't swim like at the swimming pool.
The sea currents can bring you far from the coast.
Swimming is required for scuba diving but it's no longer at the beach, you go farther off the coast and swim in the depth of the ocean.
Scuba diving isn't like swimming at the pool too.
Swimming like The Sims 3 is totally unrealistic.
I would prefer games in the water, the sims never play together.
I actually do. Swimming in itself is fun, but in the ocean there are a lot of things to see, and there's sand everywhere. And you can lie on your belly on the shore so that the waves crash on your back. That's pretty fun.
I guess that's why I also like seeing it in my game. The first time I saw TS2 Bon Voyage do it, I was in love.
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Honestly do you really swim in the ocean in real life ?
Me, never !
The most of people play in the water at the beach but don't swim like at the swimming pool.
The sea currents can bring you far from the coast.
Swimming is required for scuba diving but it's no longer at the beach, you go farther off the coast and swim in the depth of the ocean.
Scuba diving isn't like swimming at the pool too.
Swimming like The Sims 3 is totally unrealistic.
I would prefer games in the water, the sims never play together.
When I was a kid we used to go on holiday in Greece. My brother and me would spend hours and hours in the sea, jumping of cliffs and fisher boats, snorkeling, digging up stones (throw it away and then try to find it), my father windsurfed and my mother? She laid on the beach, cooking, and every now and then - probably when she felt she was starting to get medium rare - she'd stand up, put on her cap with colourful daisies, go into the water and swim swim swim, till all we could see was a small colourful spot in the distance, like a buoy. Then she'd come back and start frying again.
I am personally going to be very disappointed if swimming in bodies of water is not included in a tropical vacation pack. There would be no reason for my Sims to go. I want swimming, surfing, skiing, boating, cliff diving, parasailing, water games in the water. I want it all. I also miss just laying out in the sun on chaises or beach towels.
Honestly do you really swim in the ocean in real life ?
Me, never !
The most of people play in the water at the beach but don't swim like at the swimming pool.
The sea currents can bring you far from the coast.
Swimming is required for scuba diving but it's no longer at the beach, you go farther off the coast and swim in the depth of the ocean.
Scuba diving isn't like swimming at the pool too.
Swimming like The Sims 3 is totally unrealistic.
I would prefer games in the water, the sims never play together.
I loved the swimming in TS3's oceans. My Sim was a famous female swimmer who swam the English Channel in the '30's. Roaring Heights is good for playing that time period. I don't know, ask anyone who swam the English Channel if being able to swim a long way in game is unrealistic.
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"Strong Evidence" Let's not push this more than it is, it's subtle hints at best.
I agree with @jackjack_k Strong evidence would be finding code like we did for Vampires and Pets.
Sadly, the icons were apparently base game.
To answer your question on swimmable bodies of water, I think they said old worlds wouldn't be able to do it, which is why I was hoping they would put off on giving us any beach worlds until then, but we got Bridleton bay.
It is possible that they coded Brindleton Bay so they can come back to it. Unlike other worlds, the water in BB is actually deep enough to support Swimming, while previously the water was only knee height at best.
Even in Windenburg.
They have already said they can’t modify any existing worlds, and that swimming in any body of water would require a brand new world asset to be made. If it was as simple as coding a world differently they would not have maintained the same stance for this long.
Swimming in water that isn’t a pool will most definitely come, but when it does it will be landlocked to whatever world it’s included in. Similarly to apartments, and festivals.
If that was the case, it would be all future worlds as well. I'm guessing the tech isn't there at the moment, when they finally develop it to allow swimming in worlds, all future worlds will use the same tech too.
Not true. Each world is developed independently of each other. They don’t necessarily share “tech”, because they don’t share any world assets aside from a few repurposed world shells.
When they make a world that has a body of water that can be swam in, that water piece will be it’s own thing. It will require it’s own animations, as well as it’s own unique routing properties exclusive to the world it’s included in. Future worlds being developed after that won’t by default be compatible with swimming, this isn’t Sims 3 where every world shares the same basic framework, unless they copy the same water piece (which will be created, shaped, and intended specifically for one area only) or create another new one it will not work for any future world.
It doesnt require a new animation past the one. The only thing it requires is a new type of terrain paint. Theyve specifically said modifying old worlds is the issue.
Once they develop the tech to add swimming in a world, all they have to do is use that tech in the future worlds as well.
The waters in sims 4 areback drop . There decoration , and unfuctional. They probabl were never mentto swim in the first place.
I had that happen a lot in IP especially in Sim households where they lived on houseboats or islands. My sims are notorious for not waiting for the water taxi. So I took and put a jet ski and a wind surfer in their personal inventories of all my sims as swimming took forever - even for top swimmers.
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Keep in mind these surveys don't reveal everything. There could still be ocean swimming.
Which is when I decided they also wanted to do this.
Isn't the game about that? Teamwork between simmer and sim? It had never occurred to me they could do that, but when they did it seemed like a very good idea (and it was, no crocs in the Nile that day fortunately
I think their plan to start with for Sims 4 involved no swimmable water at all - or did you forget we did not even have pools - we had fountains - and unlike previous fountains our sims had zero interactions with the fountain - where as previous fountains sims were known to get into on their own and splash around or if they were deep enough would even try swimming in them. But in the base game my sims did not do anything with the fountain - up until we got that romantic fountain sp. They used an engine that promotes conversations, partying, multitasking at parties, and drinking and for activites jogging, exercises, and walking. Smart technology is not the kind of engine that has much focus in action of any kind and baffles me why they used this game engine unless this was the game engine for the online. In sims online this would have been the perfect engine because sims skilled and chatted and multi-tasked sort of - and not much else. For a good action game you need a good action game engine as well as the programming.
So had they not gotten so much opposition by us players - I believe we wouldn't even had pools to be honest - never mind any kind of activities outside of socializing, dinner parties, bars and clubs.
Oh and one other sort of important tidbit - smart technology engine supposed to lessen the need for animators in games and makes it easier for developers to completely program the game without needing constant engineers and animators to do all the action stuff - so changing anything in base programming, engine programming and the base game can foul up the programming of smart technology - and forces programmer to work within rather narrow perimeters. So because of this even if they wanted to do something they may have done before - this so called new amazing technology puts a giant splinter in the works - especially if it requires any sort of interactions with sims outside of the realm of conversing and socializing. It means nothing to say we had this or that in previous games - it is no guarantee this engine will allow any of that even though we know the devs could do these things - if the engine won't let them - they can't do it.
I don't believe water and Sims were meant to go together in this version of the Sims (outside of bathrooms) and they were forced to change directions - and when they did - discovered their chatty programming, design etc - had limitation to actually give simmers what we were yelling for - and they have been scrambling ever since. An unfortunate side affect seems to be programming an engine to do things it was not designed to do - causes broken save issues, breaks player options, build options, etc ,etc -so they are purely scrambling as they go trying to bend this social engine into some kind of actions. They are probably working twice as hard and getting only half the results - so it is definitely not laziness or lack of talent - it is the very opposite.
Keep in mind I am just speculating from what I see, from what I know and hear about this technology for this engine - and what has happened til now. My middle son is a C++ programmer and technology (including pc) specialist. But believe me I feel it in my bones the direction the game was actually planned for is not the direction we simmers found acceptable - so now they are scrambling to try and force it to do things it is not designed for or part of any of it's designs. Like needing special terrain to allow swimming other than in a pool. If you recall - even that seemed sketchy at release.
"Games Are Not The Place To Tell Stories, Games Are Meant To Let People Tell Their Own Stories"...Will Wright.
In dreams - I LIVE!
In REALITY, I simply exist.....
Sure or maybe they don't plan to add swimming in ocean in a pack... but adding it by a patch like TS3 Patch 1.42, who knows ?
No and Not yet don't mean Never.
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The Sims 4 General DiscussionThe not staying in the pool that long sounds like a bug which can be patched.
Me, never !
The most of people play in the water at the beach but don't swim like at the swimming pool.
The sea currents can bring you far from the coast.
Swimming is required for scuba diving but it's no longer at the beach, you go farther off the coast and swim in the depth of the ocean.
Scuba diving isn't like swimming at the pool too.
Swimming like The Sims 3 is totally unrealistic.
I would prefer games in the water, the sims never play together.
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The Sims 4 General DiscussionWhen I was a kid we used to go on holiday in Greece. My brother and me would spend hours and hours in the sea, jumping of cliffs and fisher boats, snorkeling, digging up stones (throw it away and then try to find it), my father windsurfed and my mother? She laid on the beach, cooking, and every now and then - probably when she felt she was starting to get medium rare - she'd stand up, put on her cap with colourful daisies, go into the water and swim swim swim, till all we could see was a small colourful spot in the distance, like a buoy. Then she'd come back and start frying again.
I actually do. Swimming in itself is fun, but in the ocean there are a lot of things to see, and there's sand everywhere. And you can lie on your belly on the shore so that the waves crash on your back. That's pretty fun.
I guess that's why I also like seeing it in my game. The first time I saw TS2 Bon Voyage do it, I was in love.
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Good point ! I forgot this type of situation.
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The Sims 4 General DiscussionThe waters in sims 4 areback drop . There decoration , and unfuctional. They probabl were never mentto swim in the first place.
What it was crazy in TS3 is when my sims decided to go home by swimming (wearing the casual outfit).
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The Sims 4 General DiscussionThat literally never happened to me ahaha. What town is that?
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