That's a bit disappointing tbh since Windenburg has so much ocean but oh well
The only parts of Windenburg that are deep enough for swimming is the Old Town and Modern District, which would look a bit sillily and in real life, would be banned.
That makes sense, really, given the discussion here about routing: possible, but would they put the dev budget to that? Maybe not so much. Personally, I could live with not having the ocean swimming in existing worlds, mainly because I've been to enough places on oceanfront where one does not swim. But he's sure left room to suggest that we could have swimmable oceans in new worlds!
Other than the lake areas in Granite Falls, I feel the same. Windenburg looks too dang cold for swimming (I know it's not but it has more of a chilly vibe to me). That one area near the waterfall in Oasis Springs looks gorgeous but I could also see something like that being made unavailable as too dangerous or too damaging.
If they add new worlds with swimmable areas, I'd be quite happy with that. Especially if we got some really nice vacation worlds.
The lake in Granite Falls is shallow. You'd end up kicking around some fish
That answer makes me sad. I was so sure that we could one day swim for example in the lakes of Granite Falls. I hope it won't be necessary to create a new world for snow and another one for rain.
The answer also implies that they are not working on that project now and are not even thinking about it.
The lake in Granite Falls is shallow. You'd end up kicking around some fish
Since it's a Vacation world though, and such a small area of water, the developers may reconsider reworking that one area of water. Just to make the selling point of OR higher
This has nothing to do with anything. None of the pre-existing worlds have water deep enough.
There are some user made Sims 3 worlds that have shallow water for ages in which Sims can only walk through.
It's just simply EA made every Sims 3 world with deep oceans surrounding it. The same thing would have happened even in The worlds in 3.
Also, the worlds in 4 are hardly static, there's usually Sims walking around the entire areas. In 3, no one just "walks down the street" they just "poof" on the lot with a fake car.
The Sims 3 on Wii is the only version of The Sims 3 where there are people EVERYWHERE on the whole map at once.
well... that's disappointing. ts3 was ahead of its time, apparently.
Let's not forget that ocean swimming wasn't even possible until seasons "The Eighth Expansion" several years after base game release...The Sims 4 was born to great controversy only two years ago...let's gain three more years of "Why did they do that?" moments before we beg for ocean swimming! Besides I can't imagine swimming in oasis springs or willow creek due to the shallow waters unless you like playing "wet footsies"!
Yeah, if you go into TAB mode, the waters in the lakes etc are extremely shallow.
Also, Windenburg doesn't have proper beaches it's just near the ocean.
That is disappointing. I had hoped that if ocean swimming became available that it would be open to all the areas where sims can walk along the waters edge. Especially in Granite Falls waterfall area... it just looks so perfect for swimming. Just another area where TS4 is letting me down.
Too shallow.
I would be upset if EA made a beach world and then said we would never be able to swim. That would be worth getting angry over (because that would be an oversight) but none of the water in 4 is deep enough. As someone else said, you'd be playing footsies.
@jackjack_k can't be bothered to quote all your quoting but sorry... you don't get to tell me what is worth being 'angry' about or not. Besides I said I was disappointed, not angry. Also considering that water is just pixels... too shallow as an excuse/reason doesn't work. The hot tub is also too shallow for completely submerged woohoo but it still happens.
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It's not so much "ahead of its time" in this regard, it's just every town in The Sims 3 is surrounded by deep ocean whether you like it or not.
The Sims 3 wasn't really ahead of its time, it's more the Sims 4 has kept it simple.
@jackjack_k There are a lot of things in TS4 that don't follow reality. I don't see why it has to suddenly be applied here. Also, there's tons to do in shallow water. It's not just for swimming.
The only parts of Windenburg that are deep enough for swimming is the Old Town and Modern District, which would look a bit sillily and in real life, would be banned.
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Also, Windenburg doesn't have proper beaches it's just near the ocean.
The island in Widenburg does have proper beaches. And they would definitely be swimable in real life too (if they're deep enough for Nessie they must be deep enough for our sims...)
So...This is the strong foundation they were talking about?
And I actually believed them this time around...
On a more serious note, I prefer not knowing what they're having problems with implementing for this game... It just brings more disappointment before a feature is even introduced to the game...
Well he's right about the terrain. If sims were able to walk into bodies of water surely they'd hardcore clip through the ground and possibly fall out of the world. There is literally no actual ocean terrain in water, it's a really low definition grass texture. Go into free-cam mode and see for yourself. (Windenburg, specifically)
If it was deep enough for fake boats and seamonsters - why is it not deep enough for sims? All this game has actually is .... EXCUSES!
Oh yeah! I didn't even think about it like that! Why is it ok for steamboats and "cupcake" cute monsters to take the dive deep but not our Sims. Is this what a "Sim" version of a "double standard" looks like?
I'm not at all surprised. The way the game's worlds work would simply not allow for it. If anything, TS4 may be lucky to get TS2 styled beaches. They were very specific lots where your Sim would only be able to swim in a VERY small, confined area. It was nothing more than a glorified pool.
Then Sims 3 came along and completely blew the beach experience out of the water (pun intended). Take a look -- this entire area you are able to swim in. You could swim to far off islands, take a boat and quickly navigate around, ride a houseboat, go deep-sea diving, etc. And this is only a tiny portion of this world. The Sims 4 is simply not capable of this.
All in all, this game is INCREDIBLY limited when put next to both of its predecessors, The Sims 2, and especially The Sims 3. EA is better at coming up with excuse Tweets than creating a fun life simulation that truly innovates upon its predecessors.
That answer makes me sad. I was so sure that we could one day swim for example in the lakes of Granite Falls. I hope it won't be necessary to create a new world for snow and another one for rain.
The answer also implies that they are not working on that project now and are not even thinking about it.
No it isn't implying that.
Dear @catloverplayer : "We'd probably have to make new terrain specifically for that purpose." How much more grammatical irrealis can you put in a sentence??
What I mean is that doesn't mean their not working on a vacation world with a swimmable ocean. He just means existing home world oceans won't be swimmable.
I'm not at all surprised. The way the game's worlds work would simply not allow for it. If anything, TS4 may be lucky to get TS2 styled beaches. They were very specific lots where your Sim would only be able to swim in a VERY small, confined area. It was nothing more than a glorified pool.
Then Sims 3 came along and completely blew the beach experience out of the water (pun intended). Take a look -- this entire area you are able to swim in. You could swim to far off islands, take a boat and quickly navigate around, ride a houseboat, go deep-sea diving, etc. And this is only a tiny portion of this world. The Sims 4 is simply not capable of this.
All in all, this game is INCREDIBLY limited when put next to both of its predecessors, The Sims 2, and especially The Sims 3. EA is better at coming up with excuse Tweets than creating a fun life simulation that truly innovates upon its predecessors.
For the existing Worlds, but the future worlds could be capable. I mean it would be pretty unless for the bodies of water to be swimmable anyway, just as pools are useless, nothing really to do to keep me entertain to say the least.
All I'm saying is the day they introduce a world with swimmable bodies of water, Jet Skiing ought to come with it.
I'm not at all surprised. The way the game's worlds work would simply not allow for it. If anything, TS4 may be lucky to get TS2 styled beaches. They were very specific lots where your Sim would only be able to swim in a VERY small, confined area. It was nothing more than a glorified pool.
Then Sims 3 came along and completely blew the beach experience out of the water (pun intended). Take a look -- this entire area you are able to swim in. You could swim to far off islands, take a boat and quickly navigate around, ride a houseboat, go deep-sea diving, etc. And this is only a tiny portion of this world. The Sims 4 is simply not capable of this.
All in all, this game is INCREDIBLY limited when put next to both of its predecessors, The Sims 2, and especially The Sims 3. EA is better at coming up with excuse Tweets than creating a fun life simulation that truly innovates upon its predecessors.
I see these pictures and I see good games. I go into s4 and I simply get depressed. It lacks so much and it continues to disappoint.
I still play Sims 3, a game worthy of it's name! It gives so much freedom on so many aspects. Maybe I can't put my windows on different heights and my walls all are the same height, but at least the art style looks mature and I can choose my own patterns and colours!
I also still play Sims 2, some things from that game I still miss. Like inviting the principal over and try to get your kid into private school
I even still play Sims 1, it has funny notes (watch out, the end is near; being a very famous one) and for it's time it was amazing! So it still amazes me.
And then 4... you have a rocket and silly walks. Life stages are between Sims 1 and 2. Overall the game just focuses on one group of players instead of all the different kinds of players that used to enjoy the game. That time is gone with s4.
I hope Sims 5 will come and it will make me smile again. With a more mature art style and a game engine that CAN handle changes later on. A game that can actually compete with s4's predecessors
@jackjack_k can't be bothered to quote all your quoting but sorry... you don't get to tell me what is worth being 'angry' about or not. Besides I said I was disappointed, not angry. Also considering that water is just pixels... too shallow as an excuse/reason doesn't work. The hot tub is also too shallow for completely submerged woohoo but it still happens.
I'm just trying to figure out how she knows the water is too shallow since Sims can't go into it. I mean, if a boat can navigate it the water would need to be a certain depth.
I'm not at all surprised. The way the game's worlds work would simply not allow for it. If anything, TS4 may be lucky to get TS2 styled beaches. They were very specific lots where your Sim would only be able to swim in a VERY small, confined area. It was nothing more than a glorified pool.
Then Sims 3 came along and completely blew the beach experience out of the water (pun intended). Take a look -- this entire area you are able to swim in. You could swim to far off islands, take a boat and quickly navigate around, ride a houseboat, go deep-sea diving, etc. And this is only a tiny portion of this world. The Sims 4 is simply not capable of this.
All in all, this game is INCREDIBLY limited when put next to both of its predecessors, The Sims 2, and especially The Sims 3. EA is better at coming up with excuse Tweets than creating a fun life simulation that truly innovates upon its predecessors.
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It's not so much "ahead of its time" in this regard, it's just every town in The Sims 3 is surrounded by deep ocean whether you like it or not.
In the Sims 4, there's only two Neighborhoods where the water is deep. And they are in areas where in the real world, you wouldn't swim.
The Sims 3 wasn't really ahead of its time, it's more the Sims 4 has kept it simple.
I do wish The Sims 4 took a leaf out of The Sims 3 Pets on 3DS. Your home lot is not open, but downtown areas are.
The only parts of Windenburg that are deep enough for swimming is the Old Town and Modern District, which would look a bit sillily and in real life, would be banned.
The lake in Granite Falls is shallow. You'd end up kicking around some fish
The lake in Granite Falls is shallow. You'd end up kicking around some fish
Since it's a Vacation world though, and such a small area of water, the developers may reconsider reworking that one area of water. Just to make the selling point of OR higher
This has nothing to do with anything. None of the pre-existing worlds have water deep enough.
There are some user made Sims 3 worlds that have shallow water for ages in which Sims can only walk through.
It's just simply EA made every Sims 3 world with deep oceans surrounding it. The same thing would have happened even in The worlds in 3.
Also, the worlds in 4 are hardly static, there's usually Sims walking around the entire areas. In 3, no one just "walks down the street" they just "poof" on the lot with a fake car.
The Sims 3 on Wii is the only version of The Sims 3 where there are people EVERYWHERE on the whole map at once.
Yeah, if you go into TAB mode, the waters in the lakes etc are extremely shallow.
Also, Windenburg doesn't have proper beaches it's just near the ocean.
Too shallow.
I would be upset if EA made a beach world and then said we would never be able to swim. That would be worth getting angry over (because that would be an oversight) but none of the water in 4 is deep enough. As someone else said, you'd be playing footsies.
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The island in Widenburg does have proper beaches. And they would definitely be swimable in real life too (if they're deep enough for Nessie they must be deep enough for our sims...)
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In REALITY, I simply exist.....
And I actually believed them this time around...
On a more serious note, I prefer not knowing what they're having problems with implementing for this game... It just brings more disappointment before a feature is even introduced to the game...
Oh yeah! I didn't even think about it like that! Why is it ok for steamboats and "cupcake" cute monsters to take the dive deep but not our Sims. Is this what a "Sim" version of a "double standard" looks like?
And they said "for years to come"....what is this foundation made out of cement.....??!?
Then Sims 3 came along and completely blew the beach experience out of the water (pun intended). Take a look -- this entire area you are able to swim in. You could swim to far off islands, take a boat and quickly navigate around, ride a houseboat, go deep-sea diving, etc. And this is only a tiny portion of this world. The Sims 4 is simply not capable of this.
All in all, this game is INCREDIBLY limited when put next to both of its predecessors, The Sims 2, and especially The Sims 3. EA is better at coming up with excuse Tweets than creating a fun life simulation that truly innovates upon its predecessors.
What I mean is that doesn't mean their not working on a vacation world with a swimmable ocean. He just means existing home world oceans won't be swimmable.
For the existing Worlds, but the future worlds could be capable. I mean it would be pretty unless for the bodies of water to be swimmable anyway, just as pools are useless, nothing really to do to keep me entertain to say the least.
All I'm saying is the day they introduce a world with swimmable bodies of water, Jet Skiing ought to come with it.
My Mood:
I see these pictures and I see good games. I go into s4 and I simply get depressed. It lacks so much and it continues to disappoint.
I still play Sims 3, a game worthy of it's name! It gives so much freedom on so many aspects. Maybe I can't put my windows on different heights and my walls all are the same height, but at least the art style looks mature and I can choose my own patterns and colours!
I also still play Sims 2, some things from that game I still miss. Like inviting the principal over and try to get your kid into private school
I even still play Sims 1, it has funny notes (watch out, the end is near; being a very famous one) and for it's time it was amazing! So it still amazes me.
And then 4... you have a rocket and silly walks. Life stages are between Sims 1 and 2. Overall the game just focuses on one group of players instead of all the different kinds of players that used to enjoy the game. That time is gone with s4.
I hope Sims 5 will come and it will make me smile again. With a more mature art style and a game engine that CAN handle changes later on. A game that can actually compete with s4's predecessors
Some links that helped me a lot:
Missing Store Stencils / Free Kiddy Stuff / Daily Deals / Daily Deals Spreadsheets / The Gifting Directory
Yes, one focuses on being a sims game and a life simulation (aka TS3), the other doesn't (aka TS4).
I'm just trying to figure out how she knows the water is too shallow since Sims can't go into it. I mean, if a boat can navigate it the water would need to be a certain depth.
Preach it
Oh...it's a great foundation alright....
Actually they're both Sims games (shocking, I know. It's not like it's in the title) And they just have different focuses on life.
Daniel Hiatt said that making new terrain for that purpose in existing worlds is unlikely. Sounds like "complexity is our enemy," all over again.