For all you people that came into this thread to argue with the thread, why did you? I just want to know. I agree a positive attitude will not help someone enjoy a lack luster product. Good game, equals Happy Place.
OP, your thread brought tears to my eyes. The torch is passed. Carry on, and may the force of truth be with you.
"Games Are Not The Place To Tell Stories, Games Are Meant To Let People Tell Their Own Stories"...Will Wright.
I will just add this to the OP's argument which they are correct. Has the precious made people forget when this game was released Sims couldn't even eat the fruit from the trees or berries. Think long and hard about such a mundane action and try to continue to tell me and others how great this game is. That little action is now in the game (not added until Dec. 2014) from negative feedback. Who would forget to code a game to add in Sims eating all those fruits from trees? Maxis 2014. Or was it just a ploy to hold that out of the base and make people wait three months to eat fruit, so they can claim live service? You be the judge but I have my ideas. And next time you cast your eye on the precious remember all your 'stuff' added later is due to negative feedback. Enjoy. But who forgets to code a game to eat the fruit which was in TS3 from day one? Maxis.
ETA: Who was it that never even thought about 'family tree' and keeping kin, kin? Maxis.
Best Game Ever? Really? Then don't be surprised when your little cousin (because dad died) can now grow up and marry his aunt. Is that precious enough? Who doesn't care about this? Someone whose Sims aren't that social so they never bothered to check and if developers aren't getting the message of how 'wrong' this is from a gameplay point of view (leave morality out of it) then that's on the community manager who just recently said they would bring it up when it's been all over this site for two years. Precious.
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"Games Are Not The Place To Tell Stories, Games Are Meant To Let People Tell Their Own Stories"...Will Wright.
What is the point of this thread? So you don't care for the Sims 4, play something else. I hated the Sims 3, and I gave it a chance. It didn't suit me. But I didn't take the attitude that since I wasn't happy no one else should be either.
Here is the way I see it. If indeed the Sims started out as an online game that the studio later realized that players really didn't want, and then they set about returning it to an single player game, why castigate them over and over? So they made a miscalculation based on the current obsession with social networking and online play. That doesn't surprise me that they would think that. I don't get Facebook, but many do.
As for some of the other things mentioned in this thread, I don't care about makeup, open world, or casT. I prefer the gameplay in the Sims 4. As for standards, Sims 3 was broken in so many ways that actually saying it had better standards is laughable.
The thing that I find most disturbing is the attitude that many of you seem to have, which is that the game should be designed to suit you, and anyone that disagrees apparently has something wrong with them (i.e that lack standards).
The thing I think is so short sighted with comments like this is, how many people do you think can grow frustrated and then leave the game and still have it be a viable product? EA/Maxis needs a certain number of people spending a certain amount of money to justify a title. Many people have left- especially of late and I think EP 3 is make or break for many others. So, how many would you see leave if it meant the game you love is shuttered because honestly if just the people who "love" 4 stay and the rest of us filter off I don't see enough money in it to keep the game afloat. I haven't left 4 for good- there's stuff I really like about it but I'm as frustrated anymore by what my game lacks as the family play group are over toddlers and I'm rapidly wondering why I'm pouring money into 4. I'm waiting on EP 3 to see and I'll go from there. In the meantime I, like so many others, have simply gone back to 3... which was really pretty neat- I've NEVER even done the whole nectar making thing! I planted a bunch of grapes and stomped them into the press- I wonder, really wonder how much else I'm going to uncover that I've never done in 3! Lots still to do there!
I've often seen people post that what goes on in this forum is just a small percentage of what really goes on in the overall Sim's community. I look around at how many regular posters are still here and just how many have left. Particularity after last week this place seems even more empty. If it's true that this forum only represents a small percentage I wonder what the overall figure is for the players who have just given up and walked away.
"People really love to explore 'failure states. In fact, the failure states are really much more interesting than the success states." ~ Will Wright
@JasonAnthonySterling, I just wanted to comment on what you said about if neg. players leave there won't be enough money to continue. That seems to be a real issue as of late since Origin has dropped the price on TS4 for USA customers to $39.99 down from the original $60 to stay there at that new standard price. I don't recall TS2 or TS3's standard prices being dropped down before the two year anniversary. I remember them staying at the same original price for years until they were about to end.
"Games Are Not The Place To Tell Stories, Games Are Meant To Let People Tell Their Own Stories"...Will Wright.
Fact is, if somebody voices an opinion about their experience with TS4, or anything that matters to them, and another person feels the need to jump in and belittle what they're saying, attack them, or tell them that they're wrong and that they need to change the way they feel, is very disrespectful.
People shift the focus to the way Gurus are being addressed. Valid point, but I am stating how I feel as someone who criticizes a product, and then being told in so many different ways that I have no right to my opinion. Who made that rule?
Why do people feel the need to tell other adults, how to think, what to say, or criticize them on a personal level, when we are talking about a product? Is a game more important than actual people playing it?
When you as a member on this forum, who voices concerns in regards to current game features, or who makes suggestions for future improvements, are addressed by other community members, who tell you to go back to playing TS3, that you need to get a life instead of "whining" about TS4, and that you need to improve your own attitude - HOW does that make YOU feel?
Do you agree with them? Does that make you stick a pencil between your teeth and play TS4 with an eternal smile on your face? Or do you feel belittled and disrespected, or even bullied for the simple fact that you criticize a product?
"Your most unhappy customers are your greatest source of learning." - William Henry Gates III
@JasonAnthonySterling, I just wanted to comment on what you said about if neg. players leave there won't be enough money to continue. That seems to be a real issue as of late since Origin has dropped the price on TS4 for USA customers to $39.99 down from the original $60 to stay there at that new standard price. I don't recall TS2 or TS3's standard prices being dropped down before the two year anniversary. I remember them staying at the same original price for years until they were about to end.
Yah its weird , this the frist time I saw in history . Where a game keeps being on sale, the sims 4 is on sale most of the year . Its hardly on regular price .
Fact is, if somebody voices an opinion about their experience with TS4, or anything that matters to them, and another person feels the need to jump in and belittle what they're saying, attack them, or tell them that they're wrong and that they need to change the way they feel, is very disrespectful.
People shift the focus to the way Gurus are being addressed. Valid point, but I am stating how I feel as someone who criticizes a product, and then being told in so many different ways that I have no right to my opinion. Who made that rule?
Why do people feel the need to tell other adults, how to think, what to say, or criticize them on a lersonal level, when we are talking about a product? Is a game more important than actual people playing it?
When you as a member on this forum, who voices concerns in regards to current game features, or who makes suggestions for future improvements, are addressed by other community members, who tell you to go back to playing TS3, that you need to get a life instead of "whining" about TS4, and that you need to improve your own attitude - HOW does that make YOU feel?
Do you agree with them? Does that make you stick a pencil between your teeth and play TS4 with an eternal smile on your face? Or do you feel belittled and disrespected, or even bullied for the simple fact that you criticize a product?
I certainly agree with most of what you have to say. Unfortunately the conduct itself is also quite contagious. There have been times where I haven't had much sleep or had a bad day, and I've wanted to say something similar to my previous post only much more aggressively complete with curse words. I never have and that's always my cue to step away from the forums but it's easy to see how others might fall into it even though that never excuses their actions.
Fact is, if somebody voices an opinion about their experience with TS4, or anything that matters to them, and another person feels the need to jump in and belittle what they're saying, attack them, or tell them that they're wrong and that they need to change the way they feel, is very disrespectful.
People shift the focus to the way Gurus are being addressed. Valid point, but I am stating how I feel as someone who criticizes a product, and then being told in so many different ways that I have no right to my opinion. Who made that rule?
Why do people feel the need to tell other adults, how to think, what to say, or criticize them on a personal level, when we are talking about a product? Is a game more important than actual people playing it?
When you as a member on this forum, who voices concerns in regards to current game features, or who makes suggestions for future improvements, are addressed by other community members, who tell you to go back to playing TS3, that you need to get a life instead of "whining" about TS4, and that you need to improve your own attitude - HOW does that make YOU feel?
Do you agree with them? Does that make you stick a pencil between your teeth and play TS4 with an eternal smile on your face? Or do you feel belittled and disrespected, or even bullied for the simple fact that you criticize a product?
Truthfully, bullied. I have never been able to make one negative remark or any negative feedback thread without someone bullying me. Whether they did it with a smile or not, it's still dismissing a person and their frustrations and even running in and saying 'nothing is wrong with this game' demeans the person who has actual issues. It's a form of real bullying in my eyes. To shut down dissent and so is telling people they can't speak about people who work on this game. If they treat customers badly as I seen lately in the last three months, then a customer has every right to tell them off and tell them they won't stand for that treatment. They aren't gods.
"Games Are Not The Place To Tell Stories, Games Are Meant To Let People Tell Their Own Stories"...Will Wright.
@JasonAnthonySterling, I just wanted to comment on what you said about if neg. players leave there won't be enough money to continue. That seems to be a real issue as of late since Origin has dropped the price on TS4 for USA customers to $39.99 down from the original $60 to stay there at that new standard price. I don't recall TS2 or TS3's standard prices being dropped down before the two year anniversary. I remember them staying at the same original price for years until they were about to end.
Yah its weird , this the frist time I saw in history . Where a game keeps being on sale, the sims 4 is on sale most of the year . Its hardly on regular price .
No, not just on sale. They have reduced the retail price instead of being sold at $60 it will now be sold at $40 when not on sale. They reduced the original price from now on.
"Games Are Not The Place To Tell Stories, Games Are Meant To Let People Tell Their Own Stories"...Will Wright.
@Cinebar - And this is what I've been seeing as well. How is bullying tolerated, when it comes to people who are critical of TS4, but it doesn't always work the same way when it comes to supporters of the game?
I've had discussions with numerous members, who are fans of TS4 and might not understand my criticism, but many of those members are smart and civilized, and even though we do not agree, we can have constructive and respectful exchanges.
I don't know what the game means to individual players, to me it's a creative outlet and an hour or 2 of quiet time for myself. If TS4 means the world to another player, then who in the world am I to judge? And who am I to tell you, that it's "just a game"?
A disabled friend of mine, spends most of her time playing WOW, and this makes up a large part of her life. When I see someone say "It's just a game", I immediately have to think how offensive this statement is to some people, who don't have too many choices, when it comes to their activities. And I can see how a game like The Sims, could be the most wonderful way of playing with life, especially when a person is restricted and unable to experience many things in their own life.
This is also, where the current iteration has dropped the ball in my opinion. When you only look at numbers, statistics, target groups, and current trends, but you disregard the reason why players are drawn to TS, then you will never know your audience fully. The question is, what is it about TS, that creates emotional attachment with players? I think that's what some members mean, when they say that TS4 is lacking depth compared to the previous games.
For me TS is about creativity and relaxation, but it doesn't matter what it means to me. What matters is to be mindful of others, and consider that I can not force my opinion on someone else, unless I have walked in their shoes.
"Your most unhappy customers are your greatest source of learning." - William Henry Gates III
@Cinebar - And this is what I've been seeing as well. How is bullying tolerated, when it comes to people who are critical of TS4, but it doesn't always work the same way when it comes to supporters of the game?
There is not, by any standard whatsoever, equal and fair treatment of members on this forum. Some of us are on "the list of troublemakers" for stating our opinions and posting inconvenient truths and quotes. Others, game cheerleaders, merrily post speculation and lies as fact, day after day, yet nothing is done. They can pretty much say whatever they want and bully others. However, this is EA's forum and they can do what they like. And they do. True colors are shown.
It's been allowed since day one. Even in the gender patch when some were not happy (and that is their right) it was allowed for Simmers to call other players who were not happy names. No one ran in to defend the unhappy player but me. Because that is their right. No matter how we feel about anything. But the only comment made by a guru was they support the other side. What about the side of those who were unhappy, the name calling continued. It's been a double standard here since day one. When gurus allowed players to run off many people by telling them to leave, flagged them as trolls, and got them banned and caused the others to just not even bother trying the game. And told them to get off the forums and go back to TS3. Now they want to play the victims. Not hardly. And want the rest us of to believe this forum is going down hill because those who disagree about the game are bullies. I don't see that, I see them defensive yes, but not bullies and I see happy campers running off anyone who would ever even want to improve the game. So, that is why many of us are not coming here anymore or less frequently and especially when gurus tell players their complaints have an expiration date. Seriously, Maxis needs to get a grip when their own people successfully run off people with their own brand of flame baiting.
ETA: You aren't a bigot because you wanted toddlers and traits to matter first more than a gender patch. Six months to work on that (for real) and two years with no answers didn't make people bigots for wanting for what they had been begging for since June 2014.
"Games Are Not The Place To Tell Stories, Games Are Meant To Let People Tell Their Own Stories"...Will Wright.
For anyone info i am 1 of those simmers that never wanted that transgender thing in game sure i am agints it but my motto is if there is some content in the game that is not like simply don't use it thats simple and thats what i am doing, i may like the sims4 but it do not mean that i might like the content thats patch in the game like that transgender thing. like i said if there are stuff in the game you do not like simply don't use it its simple as saying 1 2 3
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"Everybody has a different definition of the good side." -Will Wright
What some people view as positive, I can view as a negative, so it varies greatly from Simmer to Simmer. I find it much more toxic when people are negative towards each other whether towards a Guru or not because all it does is promote a negative atmosphere for everyone. I couldn't care less if it is an internet norm now. So regardless about how someone feels about the Sims 4 or any iteration best advice, keep it about the game, not the people which goes for everyone. By the end of the day we are all Simmers and no one is better than anyone else. But the negativity about people is exactly why the Sims 4 is getting the reputation of being the most toxic game to date. I seriously think because the Sims 4 depicts perfect life, people have to get their deviant fixes on forums and other social media sites. Says a lot more of what the game is lacking if people have to get their drama here. Interesting social experiment that is for sure. Anyway the game is nothing without the community, so if people truly want to help out the game, give constructive feedback and help promote a healthy community, not just a one-sided one. Simmers come in all shapes and forms and it is ok to be different. Society promotes the view of sameness so much, that is what promotes conflict. Humans are not robots, they have free will and think differently and have different life experiences.
As far as me, the prejudice towards Simmers is exactly why I've given up on the Sims 4. There is only so much negativity I can handle before I think a game is no longer worth supporting or giving feedback on. If a game is creating this much negativity towards the community, it is sending me a big red flag with my analytical thinking. Only time will tell what the future of the Sims holds however. Like what you like and dislike what you dislike, but don't let anyone peer pressure you otherwise. Only you know what your likes and dislikes are, no one else. There is no wrong way to play the Sims and everyone should feel welcomed on forums and elsewhere without the fear of posting. I saw the ill effects "sides debates" did with a site called Gaiaonline, so if it continues with the Sims, it will lose customers period.
Anyway I think the Ask thread is a good thing and good way to promote a positive feeling among the community. Negativity seems to grow in silence, so I hope the Gurus are able to keep talking for the sake of the community.
Do you really think people come here to create drama and get their deviant play "fix" by coming here? Most of the time I just let what ever is said here slide off my back but I really take offense to that opinion. I come here with the hope that at some point the devs will all take different types of play into account and not let so many of us feel left out.
As far as giving up....if you allow the opinions of others to influence how you view and enjoy a game you are demonstrating exactly the kind of behavior you are arguing against aren't you?
As far as the AAG thread.....I'll hold my opinion until I see how it goes. It's one of those things that seem good in concept but it will depend on how it's carried out. It's about 13 pages so far, done over three days and there haven't been many responses yet. Now SG Drake has gone on vacation so we'll have to wait and see.
"People really love to explore 'failure states. In fact, the failure states are really much more interesting than the success states." ~ Will Wright
For anyone info i am 1 of those simmers that never wanted that transgender thing in game sure i am agints it but my motto is if there is some content in the game that is not like simply don't use it thats simple and thats what i am doing, i may like the sims4 but it do not mean that i might like the content thats patch in the game like that transgender thing. like i said if there are stuff in the game you do not like simply don't use it its simple as saying 1 2 3
I only wanted the gender patch optional and it was so I thanked them for making it optional. But I would have preferred any new content be in a different patch than the one for bugs. I think everyone no matter who they are should have the right to pick and choose what new features or objects they want in their game. That's why I liked the old The Sims site, anything 'extra' was a separate download. If you didn't wanted lighted deer statues you didn't have to take them. Just like it was on TS2 and TS3 site's if you didn't want the new free content you didn't have to take it. I never like something forced even if I would like it.
"Games Are Not The Place To Tell Stories, Games Are Meant To Let People Tell Their Own Stories"...Will Wright.
I have to go today and didn't mean to even log in today. Because I am done with this game. However, I will just say this. I highly take offense to telling people how to post a feedback thread. Sometimes, the only way to get across the frustration someone has with a game or anything else is to lay it out there in plain words. If we spend all our time saying I sure would love this or that, how many things get answered that way? Not many. All peoples' are different in how they think and speak. And how they word things and telling someone to post just like the other guy is totally beyond the pale in my view. I can't stand thought police. Let alone pc correctness. If we all worded everything the same as someone else then there is no point in putting our brand of wording on anything. And overly sugar coated threads make me throw up. Have a nice day and keep it real. (to everyone) ETA: Is I have to manipulate someone with a smile when writing a request then I have become the lowest denominator in my view. That's like smiling and stabbing in the back. Plain talk gets more done.
"Games Are Not The Place To Tell Stories, Games Are Meant To Let People Tell Their Own Stories"...Will Wright.
@JasonAnthonySterling, I just wanted to comment on what you said about if neg. players leave there won't be enough money to continue. That seems to be a real issue as of late since Origin has dropped the price on TS4 for USA customers to $39.99 down from the original $60 to stay there at that new standard price. I don't recall TS2 or TS3's standard prices being dropped down before the two year anniversary. I remember them staying at the same original price for years until they were about to end.
Yah its weird , this the frist time I saw in history . Where a game keeps being on sale, the sims 4 is on sale most of the year . Its hardly on regular price .
I agree with the game being on sale all the time. When the game came out in September 2014, this started in October 2014, followed by November 2014, and so on. It is rarely not on sale. No wonder they can claim so many purchased the game. But are all of those people still playing it?
Do you really think people come here to create drama and get their deviant play "fix" by coming here? Most of the time I just let what ever is said here slide off my back but I really take offense to that opinion. I come here with the hope that at some point the devs will all take different types of play into account and not let so many of us feel left out.
As far as giving up....if you allow the opinions of others to influence how you view and enjoy a game you are demonstrating exactly the kind of behavior you are arguing against aren't you?
As far as the AAG thread.....I'll hold my opinion until I see how it goes. It's one of those things that seem good in concept but it will depend on how it's carried out. It's about 13 pages so far, done over three days and there haven't been many responses yet. Now SG Drake has gone on vacation so we'll have to wait and see.
Sadly yes in short. The Sims 4 is very unbalanced and ignores deviant play, so thus have to get that play style somewhere else like online.
I just don't understand even after two years sides debates still exists, just sends a big red flag to me. I guess just reading over the SimCity fiasco again, it brought reality to the front for me. Same issues there that players were not able to play a certain way, but the "vision" wasn't allowed to change. I don't think anyone really cared how I felt about the Sims 4 anyways regardless of time period.
True, we will see. So far sparked some interesting conversations and explanations of why the Sims 4 was designed as it is. Such a bummer dark humor isn't important anymore. It was interesting to see how people reacted to both the positive/negative threads reflects where they fall on Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs.
I've learned that people that identify themselves as "positive" people tend to like the Sims 4 more because it is a game in which not much bad happens. They like the game being simple for them and like having written instructions on what to do which falls under the growth needs. Nothing wrong with that just how they like to play. Then people who aren't as happy with the Sims 4 tend to need their deficiency needs met, so because the Sims 4 is designed towards growth needs mainly, the Sims 4 isn't ever going to appeal to them. I guess in a way the Sims 4 was designed for right sided thinkers. Being an analytical thinker myself, I use the left side of my brain mostly for problem solving, grasping patterns easily, and play a game inside and out. I guess I've just run out of things in the Sims 4 to keep me amused. There is too much balanced on one side of Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs, that there isn't much left to explore for left sided thinkers. Anyway, just a theory of mine of the social experiment that seems to being going on with the Sims 4.
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“Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it.” –Helen Keller
I shied Away from the Forums for a long time after TS4 came out. I was so disappointed in what they didn't do for this game. I too waited in anticipation for my pre-ordered very expensive copy of this game. I was very excited to see what everything was going to look like. I was so happy with TS3, and I really was not ready to leave it yet...but the prospect of new graphics and new ways to build was just so enticing for me.
Then the game launched. and I tried to build my first house. My first thought was....where is everything? Where are my stair options? Where are the garage doors? Do we get to make Garages? Where is the color wheel, and the door options and window options? I honestly thought I had downloaded a demo version.
After my initial disappointment, I too thought, well they will put out a patch and give us some variety with a game pack or expansion pack... it will all be okay. They will tell us what is going on cause they always do. And then.....silence. Crickets...nothing, nada. it has been this way ever since.
It's very difficult to muster up any kind of positive attitude, for something that used to bring hours of joy and entertainment, that has now turned into another SimCity disaster game.
The forums turned into a bashing fest...everyone at each other's throats for having an opinion. I only returned to the forums a few months ago. My sole purpose was to start a thread for Building ideas. I got a lot of positive feedback... it seemed to be going well...except...it seemed our wishes were not being seen or heard. Every GP, SP that came out had nothing in it that would help with the lack of variety in building. after the second Stuff Pack or game pack of Backyard stuff came out... that was it. I gave up on posting ideas and trying to stay positive that anything we were asking for was even being considered.
You know...I respect all of you who really love the game as is...I do. I'm very happy for you. but you must consider those of us who have a certain expectation of this franchise after all they brought to us in TS3. Seriously.... we had an open world, we could swim in the ocean...we had a Kraken for plum sake!!! A really nice variety of career choices...life stages....supernaturals, which you could turn off if you didn't want them. A sim store to purchase more building items and furniture items. We had a ton of different worlds to choose from. I think I have almost 10. And the best thing was there were some very talented 3rd party mod creators that came up with programs to help the game along, which most of were Free.
So for those of you who don't want us to be negative towards the game you love...then I suggest you follow your own advice. Move on... post your happy threads and enjoy playing TS4. More power to you!
For the rest of us, who would prefer the level of excellence we've come to expect from our Sims creators....well...you have some explaining to do.
For anyone info i am 1 of those simmers that never wanted that transgender thing in game sure i am agints it but my motto is if there is some content in the game that is not like simply don't use it thats simple and thats what i am doing, i may like the sims4 but it do not mean that i might like the content thats patch in the game like that transgender thing. like i said if there are stuff in the game you do not like simply don't use it its simple as saying 1 2 3
I only wanted the gender patch optional and it was so I thanked them for making it optional. But I would have preferred any new content be in a different patch than the one for bugs. I think everyone no matter who they are should have the right to pick and choose what new features or objects they want in their game. That's why I liked the old The Sims site, anything 'extra' was a separate download. If you didn't wanted lighted deer statues you didn't have to take them. Just like it was on TS2 and TS3 site's if you didn't want the new free content you didn't have to take it. I never like something forced even if I would like it.
That is exactly what I wanted to Cine that the patch to be one if you wanted the content and then one for all the bugs. I admit in one of my game I did try that cross gender stuff but I feel like its happening in my game despite me doing it.
@JasonAnthonySterling, I just wanted to comment on what you said about if neg. players leave there won't be enough money to continue. That seems to be a real issue as of late since Origin has dropped the price on TS4 for USA customers to $39.99 down from the original $60 to stay there at that new standard price. I don't recall TS2 or TS3's standard prices being dropped down before the two year anniversary. I remember them staying at the same original price for years until they were about to end.
Yah its weird , this the frist time I saw in history . Where a game keeps being on sale, the sims 4 is on sale most of the year . Its hardly on regular price .
I agree with the game being on sale all the time. When the game came out in September 2014, this started in October 2014, followed by November 2014, and so on. It is rarely not on sale. No wonder they can claim so many purchased the game. But are all of those people still playing it?
It's proof that EA knows what this game is really worth.
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Fact is, if somebody voices an opinion about their experience with TS4, or anything that matters to them, and another person feels the need to jump in and belittle what they're saying, attack them, or tell them that they're wrong and that they need to change the way they feel, is very disrespectful.
Sadly, this does happen ... daily, by those who are happy with the game and by those are not. It happens on both sides. As someone who likes the game, I don't even bother to go into threads started by certain simmers, I have threads that I know I cannot post in. I have people on my ignore list, that while I might like the thread I am posting in, it isn't worth it to click on their post to see what they have to say. I already know. It shouldn't be like ... but it is. I am positive that anyone who has posted regularly for a while feels the same.
Truthfully, bullied. I have never been able to make one negative remark or any negative feedback thread without someone bullying me. Whether they did it with a smile or not, it's still dismissing a person and their frustrations and even running in and saying 'nothing is wrong with this game' demeans the person who has actual issues. It's a form of real bullying in my eyes.
Again, this does go both ways, and bullied is a good word to use to describe it. You can't have a positive remark/positive feedback thread without someone coming into it either. At times, I am not sure what hat I am supposed to wear. Am I the white knight, the cheerleader, the EA lap dog, the Guru-lover, the sheep or someone who is ready to go to a My Little Pony convention because the game is for children and only pre-teen girls would like the game. It does get old.
I like the game. I feel that I can't share what I like about the game. I can't post pictures. I can't do my picture stories. I cannot express what I like about the game. Whats the point. I feel that you are not allowed to be positive on the forums. Yes, bullied is a good term to use.
It's been allowed since day one. Even in the gender patch when some were not happy (and that is their right) it was allowed for Simmers to call other players who were not happy names. No one ran in to defend the unhappy player but me. Because that is their right. No matter how we feel about anything. But the only comment made by a guru was they support the other side. What about the side of those who were unhappy, the name calling continued. It's been a double standard here since day one.
I have actually defended you before in posts Cinebar. I have used you as an example before in my posts. To say that no one ran in to defend the unhappy player but you is a little inaccurate in my eyes. There is articulate, thought out feedback that encourages debate and discussion. Those are few and far between. There is the knee-jerk/half sarcastic/don't really want to have a discussion/this is my right and I am going to say exactly how I feel, forget anyone else. That is the most common form of feedback.
No, the forums shouldn't be this way, but that is how they are. The same people get put in "jail" for the can't count that high number, and everything just rolls on along.
Gruffman backing out of the thread. Have a great day.
@thevogel - I love your post, and I actually giggled when I read about you trying to find things in TS4, because I remember exactly how I felt when I started the game.
It's also not simply a matter of expecting more quantitative content, since quantity has not brought more to my game. The first EP for TS3 was WA, and WA alone kept me entertained for a very long time.
The neighborhood size in TS4 is another major issue, which by itself is just very limiting to me as a player, and I'm sure it would be an even bigger issue for builders. Placing more community lots in the game automatically restricts the number of households that I can place. It's not really a sandbox game, more like a matchbox game with the current restrictions.
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OP, your thread brought tears to my eyes. The torch is passed. Carry on, and may the force of truth be with you.
I don't understand why they will confirm this but not other things that are lacking.
ETA: Who was it that never even thought about 'family tree' and keeping kin, kin? Maxis.
Best Game Ever? Really? Then don't be surprised when your little cousin (because dad died) can now grow up and marry his aunt. Is that precious enough? Who doesn't care about this? Someone whose Sims aren't that social so they never bothered to check and if developers aren't getting the message of how 'wrong' this is from a gameplay point of view (leave morality out of it) then that's on the community manager who just recently said they would bring it up when it's been all over this site for two years. Precious.
I've often seen people post that what goes on in this forum is just a small percentage of what really goes on in the overall Sim's community. I look around at how many regular posters are still here and just how many have left. Particularity after last week this place seems even more empty. If it's true that this forum only represents a small percentage I wonder what the overall figure is for the players who have just given up and walked away.
People shift the focus to the way Gurus are being addressed. Valid point, but I am stating how I feel as someone who criticizes a product, and then being told in so many different ways that I have no right to my opinion. Who made that rule?
Why do people feel the need to tell other adults, how to think, what to say, or criticize them on a personal level, when we are talking about a product? Is a game more important than actual people playing it?
When you as a member on this forum, who voices concerns in regards to current game features, or who makes suggestions for future improvements, are addressed by other community members, who tell you to go back to playing TS3, that you need to get a life instead of "whining" about TS4, and that you need to improve your own attitude - HOW does that make YOU feel?
Do you agree with them? Does that make you stick a pencil between your teeth and play TS4 with an eternal smile on your face? Or do you feel belittled and disrespected, or even bullied for the simple fact that you criticize a product?
Yah its weird , this the frist time I saw in history . Where a game keeps being on sale, the sims 4 is on sale most of the year . Its hardly on regular price .
I certainly agree with most of what you have to say. Unfortunately the conduct itself is also quite contagious. There have been times where I haven't had much sleep or had a bad day, and I've wanted to say something similar to my previous post only much more aggressively complete with curse words. I never have and that's always my cue to step away from the forums but it's easy to see how others might fall into it even though that never excuses their actions.
Truthfully, bullied. I have never been able to make one negative remark or any negative feedback thread without someone bullying me. Whether they did it with a smile or not, it's still dismissing a person and their frustrations and even running in and saying 'nothing is wrong with this game' demeans the person who has actual issues. It's a form of real bullying in my eyes. To shut down dissent and so is telling people they can't speak about people who work on this game. If they treat customers badly as I seen lately in the last three months, then a customer has every right to tell them off and tell them they won't stand for that treatment. They aren't gods.
No, not just on sale. They have reduced the retail price instead of being sold at $60 it will now be sold at $40 when not on sale. They reduced the original price from now on.
I've had discussions with numerous members, who are fans of TS4 and might not understand my criticism, but many of those members are smart and civilized, and even though we do not agree, we can have constructive and respectful exchanges.
I don't know what the game means to individual players, to me it's a creative outlet and an hour or 2 of quiet time for myself. If TS4 means the world to another player, then who in the world am I to judge? And who am I to tell you, that it's "just a game"?
A disabled friend of mine, spends most of her time playing WOW, and this makes up a large part of her life. When I see someone say "It's just a game", I immediately have to think how offensive this statement is to some people, who don't have too many choices, when it comes to their activities. And I can see how a game like The Sims, could be the most wonderful way of playing with life, especially when a person is restricted and unable to experience many things in their own life.
This is also, where the current iteration has dropped the ball in my opinion. When you only look at numbers, statistics, target groups, and current trends, but you disregard the reason why players are drawn to TS, then you will never know your audience fully. The question is, what is it about TS, that creates emotional attachment with players? I think that's what some members mean, when they say that TS4 is lacking depth compared to the previous games.
For me TS is about creativity and relaxation, but it doesn't matter what it means to me. What matters is to be mindful of others, and consider that I can not force my opinion on someone else, unless I have walked in their shoes.
There is not, by any standard whatsoever, equal and fair treatment of members on this forum. Some of us are on "the list of troublemakers" for stating our opinions and posting inconvenient truths and quotes. Others, game cheerleaders, merrily post speculation and lies as fact, day after day, yet nothing is done. They can pretty much say whatever they want and bully others. However, this is EA's forum and they can do what they like. And they do. True colors are shown.
ETA: You aren't a bigot because you wanted toddlers and traits to matter first more than a gender patch. Six months to work on that (for real) and two years with no answers didn't make people bigots for wanting for what they had been begging for since June 2014.
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Do you really think people come here to create drama and get their deviant play "fix" by coming here? Most of the time I just let what ever is said here slide off my back but I really take offense to that opinion. I come here with the hope that at some point the devs will all take different types of play into account and not let so many of us feel left out.
As far as giving up....if you allow the opinions of others to influence how you view and enjoy a game you are demonstrating exactly the kind of behavior you are arguing against aren't you?
As far as the AAG thread.....I'll hold my opinion until I see how it goes. It's one of those things that seem good in concept but it will depend on how it's carried out. It's about 13 pages so far, done over three days and there haven't been many responses yet. Now SG Drake has gone on vacation so we'll have to wait and see.
I only wanted the gender patch optional and it was so I thanked them for making it optional. But I would have preferred any new content be in a different patch than the one for bugs. I think everyone no matter who they are should have the right to pick and choose what new features or objects they want in their game. That's why I liked the old The Sims site, anything 'extra' was a separate download. If you didn't wanted lighted deer statues you didn't have to take them. Just like it was on TS2 and TS3 site's if you didn't want the new free content you didn't have to take it. I never like something forced even if I would like it.
I agree with the game being on sale all the time. When the game came out in September 2014, this started in October 2014, followed by November 2014, and so on. It is rarely not on sale. No wonder they can claim so many purchased the game. But are all of those people still playing it?
I just don't understand even after two years sides debates still exists, just sends a big red flag to me. I guess just reading over the SimCity fiasco again, it brought reality to the front for me. Same issues there that players were not able to play a certain way, but the "vision" wasn't allowed to change. I don't think anyone really cared how I felt about the Sims 4 anyways regardless of time period.
True, we will see. So far sparked some interesting conversations and explanations of why the Sims 4 was designed as it is. Such a bummer dark humor isn't important anymore. It was interesting to see how people reacted to both the positive/negative threads reflects where they fall on Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs.
I've learned that people that identify themselves as "positive" people tend to like the Sims 4 more because it is a game in which not much bad happens. They like the game being simple for them and like having written instructions on what to do which falls under the growth needs. Nothing wrong with that just how they like to play. Then people who aren't as happy with the Sims 4 tend to need their deficiency needs met, so because the Sims 4 is designed towards growth needs mainly, the Sims 4 isn't ever going to appeal to them. I guess in a way the Sims 4 was designed for right sided thinkers. Being an analytical thinker myself, I use the left side of my brain mostly for problem solving, grasping patterns easily, and play a game inside and out. I guess I've just run out of things in the Sims 4 to keep me amused. There is too much balanced on one side of Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs, that there isn't much left to explore for left sided thinkers. Anyway, just a theory of mine of the social experiment that seems to being going on with the Sims 4.
I shied Away from the Forums for a long time after TS4 came out. I was so disappointed in what they didn't do for this game. I too waited in anticipation for my pre-ordered very expensive copy of this game. I was very excited to see what everything was going to look like. I was so happy with TS3, and I really was not ready to leave it yet...but the prospect of new graphics and new ways to build was just so enticing for me.
Then the game launched. and I tried to build my first house. My first thought was....where is everything? Where are my stair options? Where are the garage doors? Do we get to make Garages? Where is the color wheel, and the door options and window options? I honestly thought I had downloaded a demo version.
After my initial disappointment, I too thought, well they will put out a patch and give us some variety with a game pack or expansion pack... it will all be okay. They will tell us what is going on cause they always do. And then.....silence. Crickets...nothing, nada. it has been this way ever since.
It's very difficult to muster up any kind of positive attitude, for something that used to bring hours of joy and entertainment, that has now turned into another SimCity disaster game.
The forums turned into a bashing fest...everyone at each other's throats for having an opinion. I only returned to the forums a few months ago. My sole purpose was to start a thread for Building ideas. I got a lot of positive feedback... it seemed to be going well...except...it seemed our wishes were not being seen or heard. Every GP, SP that came out had nothing in it that would help with the lack of variety in building. after the second Stuff Pack or game pack of Backyard stuff came out... that was it. I gave up on posting ideas and trying to stay positive that anything we were asking for was even being considered.
You know...I respect all of you who really love the game as is...I do. I'm very happy for you. but you must consider those of us who have a certain expectation of this franchise after all they brought to us in TS3. Seriously.... we had an open world, we could swim in the ocean...we had a Kraken for plum sake!!! A really nice variety of career choices...life stages....supernaturals, which you could turn off if you didn't want them. A sim store to purchase more building items and furniture items. We had a ton of different worlds to choose from. I think I have almost 10. And the best thing was there were some very talented 3rd party mod creators that came up with programs to help the game along, which most of were Free.
So for those of you who don't want us to be negative towards the game you love...then I suggest you follow your own advice. Move on... post your happy threads and enjoy playing TS4. More power to you!
For the rest of us, who would prefer the level of excellence we've come to expect from our Sims creators....well...you have some explaining to do.
It's proof that EA knows what this game is really worth.
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Sadly, this does happen ... daily, by those who are happy with the game and by those are not. It happens on both sides. As someone who likes the game, I don't even bother to go into threads started by certain simmers, I have threads that I know I cannot post in. I have people on my ignore list, that while I might like the thread I am posting in, it isn't worth it to click on their post to see what they have to say. I already know. It shouldn't be like ... but it is. I am positive that anyone who has posted regularly for a while feels the same.
Again, this does go both ways, and bullied is a good word to use to describe it. You can't have a positive remark/positive feedback thread without someone coming into it either. At times, I am not sure what hat I am supposed to wear. Am I the white knight, the cheerleader, the EA lap dog, the Guru-lover, the sheep or someone who is ready to go to a My Little Pony convention because the game is for children and only pre-teen girls would like the game. It does get old.
I like the game. I feel that I can't share what I like about the game. I can't post pictures. I can't do my picture stories. I cannot express what I like about the game. Whats the point. I feel that you are not allowed to be positive on the forums. Yes, bullied is a good term to use.
I have actually defended you before in posts Cinebar. I have used you as an example before in my posts. To say that no one ran in to defend the unhappy player but you is a little inaccurate in my eyes. There is articulate, thought out feedback that encourages debate and discussion. Those are few and far between. There is the knee-jerk/half sarcastic/don't really want to have a discussion/this is my right and I am going to say exactly how I feel, forget anyone else. That is the most common form of feedback.
No, the forums shouldn't be this way, but that is how they are. The same people get put in "jail" for the can't count that high number, and everything just rolls on along.
Gruffman backing out of the thread. Have a great day.
It's also not simply a matter of expecting more quantitative content, since quantity has not brought more to my game. The first EP for TS3 was WA, and WA alone kept me entertained for a very long time.
The neighborhood size in TS4 is another major issue, which by itself is just very limiting to me as a player, and I'm sure it would be an even bigger issue for builders. Placing more community lots in the game automatically restricts the number of households that I can place. It's not really a sandbox game, more like a matchbox game with the current restrictions.