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if is that then your logic of sequel is terrible fail and that is a big point, you are using a argument when forget another which also is important which is the fact which sims 4 is a SEQUELE then until sequel stop to being what we know is a seguel then you are pointless.
No. You've missed the point. I'm discussing what "base game content" means and how people use it so freely. I never said that toddlers shouldn't be included, or anything to that effect. I asked if they can be classed as base game content.
Exactly. The lack of all things breaks the immersion for many.
you are trying to act like sims 4 is a "stand alone game" which is not the case, if sims 4 was a stand alone, a spin off or a reboot then yeah they could not need to add that things because he will be "unique' in that way but it's not this case.
Sims 4 IS a standalone game. The rest of your post is a little messy and hard to understand, but the first part is pretty clear and let me say it again:
Sims 4 IS a standalone game.
and even with that in mind sims 4 is not a stand alone in the sense which you need packs to have it complete, stand alone games don't need antyhing to feel "complete" dlcs are things to increase the game not "complete it".
the sims 4 is part of the main sims series.
So Ts4 might have been rather lacking?
Of course it is. It is also a stand alone game.
The Sims 2, 3 and 4 are stand alone games in the Sims franchise. Just like Sim City 4 is a standalone game in the Sim City franchise. Or FIFA 2015 is a standalone game in the FIFA series.
A base game feature refers to a feature that came with the base game. That's a base game feature. People are comparing base games and what they came with compared to other base games.
I just am posting though to reply to a comment I saw about the hot tubs. I could be slightly wrong on a technicality; however, in my memory, EVERY versions of the sims1,2, and 3 all didn't have hot tubs until a nightlife expansion was added.
Keep in mind that the previous versions of nightlife for original sims and sims2 didn't have that downtown area. However, they brought the hot tubs as well as some other very fun items.
I have also seen a few people saying seasons and pets should be base items. On the one hand, I personally would think it'd be super logical to have pets as part of the base game. However, that expansion is one of their big sellers. It's why they save that one to be released till halfway into the lifetime of a sim game. 1, 2, and 3 all didn't see Pets released for more than a few years into that game's life. Always has several released before hand. It's totally a money grab move, but Maxis/EA have been demonstrating for a long time now that's their primary business model. It's evident elsewhere in other EA games too; not just this one.
Seasons I think was only in 2 and 3. 3 saw a very different presentation of how seasons work, but you know.. i'm glad it's not part of the base game. I tried it at my sister's house. I like the seasonal events and holidays; but i severely dislike the change of seasons. if you're very into gardening; it's super inconvenient. don't garden in a town where it snows. xD
Also, just wanna comment that open town wasn't a feature of the original base sims. That came with sims2. It is really nice. It's great to be able to see where in town exactly your sim is. I plan my sim's days sometimes by being up in the air over hte town and clicking all the places i want them to go for a little while. What i REALLY like from sims3 is the ability to learn skills at various locations in town. It's a great way to fill up their first week in town. Put some skills under your belt. While I like that; i can also realize they really /aren't/ core or base features.
They are still awesome features, and I might miss them too much. This is why I still haven't graduated up to the sims4 yet. I'll just stick with my sims3 and keep playing happy... (mostly happy anyways... if not for certain glitches ><)
TS2 had hot tubs in the base game- not only in buy mode but as an aspiration reward for Romance Sims.
I don't remember if The Sims did since I've had the complete collection for too long.
The rest, well, it's our personal view. We all can have one.
This line of thinking isn't "allowing them to milk us".
Let's be honest for a second, we could scream and shout all we want about countless DLC and how much it costs, but they probably would still milk us, and a lot of us would still buy it. I'm not saying everyone one would, but enough people would buy it to the point where they can continue doing this. We can encourage people to not buy it, but I've still seen people claim not to come back to TS4, and then one month they have every piece of content for it. It's the individuals decision, just like it's EA's decision whether or not they want to listen to us.
I'm not justifying their business mode, but so far it seems to be working for them. As it always, this is my opinion, you're entitled not to like it, but I'm also entitled to keep sharing it.
They'll not get another dollar of mine until this game is up to what I think is fun. I can over look a lot, I did with TS2 and TS3- but I hit my line.
i really loved your post, really you summed the reality very well, its up to the customers in the end, if peoples come and say "i not gonna pay any more buckets" then in next day buy everything is not anyone fault and this only give ea/maxis the approval to keep doing it milking even more and more.
it's not like peoples can't do that but is important to they be aware which they are "allowing the companie" steal they moneys, they are being connive with eaxis bad dir t market and they are only helping in things get worsth in the future.
I just want to say that I'm not against TS4 at all, I actually enjoy the game. It's just that I know it could've been a lot better than it is, but it could get better with time.
but it's also don't means which they know when a game is good or bad, or when the develop team give then the game if he gonna sell or not, they just go:
hey maxis we need a sims game now you have x years to make it here the budget
maxis: ok we gonna start... then maxis start to plan what to do then start to work... then some years late game ready
maxis: here the game this game is like that and that and that is adversity for this game
ea: ok we are gonna produce it looks promissor
game releases: bumm!!!!!!!!
ea: 🐸🐸🐸🐸 maxis what was this???
maxis:... too difficult and expensive
joke aside is like that how normally work, otherwise if ea really could know if the game was good or no they never could had problems with battlefild or dragon age or simcity and others games, again the only ones which full knowledge about the game is maxis, ea just take a look around with they "not gamers glasses" and will accept because they really don't know nothing about games just about how to put the hands on games otherwise they not keep trying to buy every game develop to work for then if they true have knowledge over game design.
I think the Maxis Team does choose what goes and what gets cut in the game. EA might hold the purse strings (I don't know) but Maxis is the team that makes it. While EA owns Maxis- yes, I do know this- it's still Maxis that makes the game and has always. The EA suits might want to know the game plan and how it's going with the budget but Maxis is it's own label under EA.
This hits the nail on the head. I just got a base model vehicle, it came with power locks and windows, cd and an auxiliary port because those things are just expected now.
That middle part is why i believe most of us look at toddlers (or most lifestages) a base game feature. Honestly, YA would be the most arguable basegame feature because it didn't become a "Basegame Feature" until TS3. Regardless, teens, toddlers, and elders imo are basegame features because TS2 created the whole "aging" process in the first place. TS1 is barley valid because not only was it the first game, but because the aging process didn't exist. TS4 has (for the most part) incorporated the 'aging' process that TS2 and TS3 had. Therefore you'd imagine the same basegame ages that started in TS2 & TS3.