I understand your concern. I think it reflects an unfortunate disparity in the societal acceptance of gay female relationships over gay male relationships. Movies and TV shows show women kissing far more often than men kissing.
I agree! I'm a straight woman, but I really enjoy playing gay couples. In fact, I started my legacy family with a gay couple. I really hope we can see better representation in the future.
I understand your concern. I think it reflects an unfortunate disparity in the societal acceptance of gay female relationships over gay male relationships. Movies and TV shows show women kissing far more often than men kissing.
This!
There's a lot of dislike for male pairings, but two women together is 'hot', in the minds of the knuckle draggers.
Personally, I wouldn't mind a few more ready made male parings... Though, I don't often play with the ready-made sims, I prefer to make my own. My favourite male sim is gay... or gayish, might be bi. Now that's something that lacks representation, and would be harder to represent.
@Chazzzy That's fine, you're entitled to your opinion. Perhaps this isn't a topic of concern for you, but statistically gay male couples are underrepresented in this game compared to lesbian (and obviously straight) couples.
@Rouensims Absolutely! I didn't want to dive too deep into non-Sims related topics here, but I also feel that is related to the fact that same-sex female relationships are more socially acceptable.
@pammiechick Interesting... That probably does have something to do with it!
@NightlyCoffee Aw, thank you. Well, at least we can make our own Sims be anything we want them to be!
@Movotti I agree. There is often a "woohoo-ualisation" of lesbian couples in entertainment, while male/male couples are a bit harder to sell (in the mainstream). I don't often play with pre-mades either, but the disparity just stood out to me when the company prides itself on representation. I would love turn-offs/ons to return so we could craft our Sims' orientations in a non-invasive way.
we gotten very few premade lately and on top of that there all married so if you have any sims gay or other wise looking for love then your out of luck we're are the single dads and moms we don't have any of those or pregnant and signal we don't have any of those or single lgbt sims
op Couples aren't the issue signal sims are
@Simtanium I agree too, and you made some really good points. I also would like to see more diverse pre-mades and better bios (those s3 ones were yiiiikes).
@comicsforlife , I agree with there needing to be more diverse singles, but think couples are also lacking too. Hopefully in the next packs we can have some of both.
Tbh, I wish overall there was an option in cas where you could choose which gender/s your sims are attracted to, making it easier for players to create diverse sims too.
@Chazzzy That's fine, you're entitled to your opinion. Perhaps this isn't a topic of concern for you, but statistically gay male couples are underrepresented in this game compared to lesbian (and obviously straight) couples.
@Chazzzy I liked your original comment because I don't see the problem with the 'under-representation' in-game when you can create your own gay couples. But your second comment is kind of pointless. Why do you disagree? There's no value in commenting it twice without any sort of argument. The OP made a valid point regarding the statistics. How do you disagree with those statistics?
I don't think the devs are doing this on purpose.I don't think we need a even mixed of representation in media.We hardly get new sims with each pack.We get 11 at most.
I don't think the devs are doing this on purpose.I don't think we need a even mixed of representation in media.We hardly get new sims with each pack.We get 11 at most.
I'm sure they dont do it on purpose,what im going to say isnt talking about romantic relationship but more on a platonic one; even today from what I observe; Some people think that women who kissed and hug another women is being perceived as sexy and cute, while men who do the same to his homies is just being called gay and another thing, it's very double standards, to think that people would assume women and women romantic relationship is more accepted in society and it reflected in The Sims.
Is there a reason why you can’t just make your own gay/lesbian families and not depend on EA to make them for you to cater to what you want? Sorry no offense but these post are ridiculous when you can make your own families the way you want. That is the point of the game to be creative. I realize it’s important for everyone to have the game the way they want it but that is up to you to make it that way not EA they gave you the platform to be creative now it’s up to you to use that platform to be creative and make the game how you want.
I appreciate your concern, although personally I don't think this is done on purpose. Then again, I don't play with- or care much for pre-mades and I'm straight (unless life proves me otherwise), so maybe my opinion won't add much value to the conversation.
But I'll say this:
If the game becomes a Representation Game, well then half the globe will be disappointed. It will be a never ending game of disappointments and that kind of game will not end up being fun for anyone.
Inclusion should start with the CAS Tool: For race/ethnicity, for gender identity, for relationships, for skin conditions or even disabilities.
I don't believe that tool has reached anywhere near it's full potential but if anything needs to be represented that's where the work needs to be done first and foremost.
I'd rather see all the devs work on a CAS overhaul and an attraction/personality system, than for them to try and create pre-mades just to ensure half the world is represented in this game. And still not everybody will be happy.
Gay or not, males themselves aren't even represented properly because I don't even have the option to place one teeny weeny piece of hair on my sim's chest unless I get a mod for that.
Use the tools that are there at the moment and create the sims that you want. Don't wait for somebody else to do it for you.
After all these threads we'll probably find a married male couple with a little child living in a house in a neighborhood sometime in a future pack. I really hope this will be the case for everyone who feels that's needed.
And when we have that, what's next?
For all wondering why I disagree with these kinds of threads, read the wonderful explanation given below. There is no need to tag me any further in this thread and ask for clarification.
Is there a reason why you can’t just make your own gay/lesbian families and not depend on EA to make them for you to cater to what you want? Sorry no offense but these post are ridiculous when you can make your own families the way you want. That is the point of the game to be creative. I realize it’s important for everyone to have the game the way they want it but that is up to you to make it that way not EA they gave you the platform to be creative now it’s up to you to use that platform to be creative and make the game how you want.
@comicsforlife I haven't noticed the lack of single pre-mades myself, but I'm only recently coming back to TS4 from a long hiatus. This thread was meant to draw attention to the disparity between the representation of male and female same-sex couples, though. Perhaps we will see some awesome pre-made singletons in a future dating pack!
@silentcyborg Thank you. Yes, I would love to get turn-ons and turn-offs back as a non-intrusive way of doing this. I always made my gay Sims have turn-ons for facial hair and muscles and turn-offs for makeup in TS2.
@Horrorgirl6 I can understand your perspective. I guess it's just a little bit disappointing when all I ever see in media is gay men being represented in a certain kind of way that doesn't reflect me, and I hoped the Sims would be a bit more humanising/respectful given its track record.
@pepperjax1230 I can absolutely make my own families, yes. But the point of this thread was to illustrate the disparity between the representation of male and female same-sex couples, and how it is disappointing for a long-time fan and quite distasteful for EA to take this route when they have previously had more backbone when it came to this topic.
@CAPTAIN_NXR7 You're entitled to voice your opinion but I think you're missing my point entirely. I personally wouldn't have been offended or upset if EA decided to never include any same-sex couples in the game at all. Like you say, I can create my own (and I actually usually play straight couples as I enjoy playing with genetics and creating families). However, when EA decided to start marketing this game as a way to "represent yourself" and became very vocal about its LGBT+ inclusion they opened themselves up tor this criticism. I am never one of those people who would say a straight person couldn't have a viewpoint on gay topics, but it likely is difficult to comprehend unless you have experienced it yourself. The portrayal of gay men in media is extremely monolithic and stereotypical, and actually quite insulting. Gay characters are usually shown as catty, comedic and promiscuous; and are never shown in a loving relationship or raising a family. Lesbian couples are much easier to include as they (often) appeal to straight male viewers and are more socially acceptable. It is very common to see lesbian couples shown raising a child. While this sort of thing is something I have come to expect from most other forms of media that claim to be "woke" but only push these issues in socially-acceptable ways, given the Sims franchises' history of being (dare I say) brave for including homosexual relationships when it ships all over the world, I expected better from them.
@Chazzzy In future, please don't comment on my topics unless you have something constructive to add. Thanks.
If you want true diversity, you would have to allow for dissenting opinion like what @Chazzzy and @pepperjax1230 wrote and not try to shame them to prevent further dissension.
I agree with them. This game already gives you all the tools for whatever you want to happen. The real issue is that you want to force the devs through shaming to set it up for you the way you want to make a social statement.
Just play the game the way you want and leave the devs alone.
Is there a reason why you can’t just make your own gay/lesbian families and not depend on EA to make them for you to cater to what you want? Sorry no offense but these post are ridiculous when you can make your own families the way you want. That is the point of the game to be creative. I realize it’s important for everyone to have the game the way they want it but that is up to you to make it that way not EA they gave you the platform to be creative now it’s up to you to use that platform to be creative and make the game how you want.
exactly...but I think these people want more representation in the game and rather bully and berate the team for not having enough...like dude...JUST MAKE YOUR OWN. Like....they could have not EVEN bothered with even putting gay pre-mades..ever think about that?
Again I do not believe the team did this intentionally...you cannot please everyone.
There is nothing stopping you for making your own.
@ClarionOfJoy@KaeChan2089 There are only two people shaming others for their opinion in this thread and coming across like bullies, and I am not one of them. Happy Simming.
Make your own families to represent what you want. That is what I do. I only really keep a few select premades that fit how I prefer to play and delete the rest. I make multiple families, especially for my favorite decades' save. The point of this thread was lost, because you can make your own and should not rely on EA to cater to your every desire.
Make your own families to represent what you want. That is what I do. I only really keep a few select premades that fit how I prefer and delete the rest. I make multiple families, especially for my favorite decades' save. The point of this thread was lost, because you can make your own and should not rely on EA to cater to your every desire.
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It’s a crime, imo, because I and probably a heck ton of other straight women would adore more gay couples that aren’t cliche.
Bottom line: straight men are the cause of this disparity no matter how “okay” they say they are with it.
There's a lot of dislike for male pairings, but two women together is 'hot', in the minds of the knuckle draggers.
Personally, I wouldn't mind a few more ready made male parings... Though, I don't often play with the ready-made sims, I prefer to make my own. My favourite male sim is gay... or gayish, might be bi. Now that's something that lacks representation, and would be harder to represent.
@Rouensims Absolutely! I didn't want to dive too deep into non-Sims related topics here, but I also feel that is related to the fact that same-sex female relationships are more socially acceptable.
@pammiechick Interesting... That probably does have something to do with it!
@GlacierSnow Thank you.
@NightlyCoffee Aw, thank you. Well, at least we can make our own Sims be anything we want them to be!
@Movotti I agree. There is often a "woohoo-ualisation" of lesbian couples in entertainment, while male/male couples are a bit harder to sell (in the mainstream). I don't often play with pre-mades either, but the disparity just stood out to me when the company prides itself on representation. I would love turn-offs/ons to return so we could craft our Sims' orientations in a non-invasive way.
op Couples aren't the issue signal sims are
@comicsforlife , I agree with there needing to be more diverse singles, but think couples are also lacking too. Hopefully in the next packs we can have some of both.
Tbh, I wish overall there was an option in cas where you could choose which gender/s your sims are attracted to, making it easier for players to create diverse sims too.
Once again, I disagree.
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Okay what can I say, you won me over with your precise arguements.
Bahahaaaa! Way to come back to a troll.
I'm sure they dont do it on purpose,what im going to say isnt talking about romantic relationship but more on a platonic one; even today from what I observe; Some people think that women who kissed and hug another women is being perceived as sexy and cute, while men who do the same to his homies is just being called gay and another thing, it's very double standards, to think that people would assume women and women romantic relationship is more accepted in society and it reflected in The Sims.
But I'll say this:
If the game becomes a Representation Game, well then half the globe will be disappointed. It will be a never ending game of disappointments and that kind of game will not end up being fun for anyone.
Inclusion should start with the CAS Tool: For race/ethnicity, for gender identity, for relationships, for skin conditions or even disabilities.
I don't believe that tool has reached anywhere near it's full potential but if anything needs to be represented that's where the work needs to be done first and foremost.
I'd rather see all the devs work on a CAS overhaul and an attraction/personality system, than for them to try and create pre-mades just to ensure half the world is represented in this game. And still not everybody will be happy.
Gay or not, males themselves aren't even represented properly because I don't even have the option to place one teeny weeny piece of hair on my sim's chest unless I get a mod for that.
Use the tools that are there at the moment and create the sims that you want. Don't wait for somebody else to do it for you.
After all these threads we'll probably find a married male couple with a little child living in a house in a neighborhood sometime in a future pack. I really hope this will be the case for everyone who feels that's needed.
And when we have that, what's next?
@silentcyborg Thank you. Yes, I would love to get turn-ons and turn-offs back as a non-intrusive way of doing this. I always made my gay Sims have turn-ons for facial hair and muscles and turn-offs for makeup in TS2.
@Horrorgirl6 I can understand your perspective. I guess it's just a little bit disappointing when all I ever see in media is gay men being represented in a certain kind of way that doesn't reflect me, and I hoped the Sims would be a bit more humanising/respectful given its track record.
@pepperjax1230 I can absolutely make my own families, yes. But the point of this thread was to illustrate the disparity between the representation of male and female same-sex couples, and how it is disappointing for a long-time fan and quite distasteful for EA to take this route when they have previously had more backbone when it came to this topic.
@CAPTAIN_NXR7 You're entitled to voice your opinion but I think you're missing my point entirely. I personally wouldn't have been offended or upset if EA decided to never include any same-sex couples in the game at all. Like you say, I can create my own (and I actually usually play straight couples as I enjoy playing with genetics and creating families). However, when EA decided to start marketing this game as a way to "represent yourself" and became very vocal about its LGBT+ inclusion they opened themselves up tor this criticism. I am never one of those people who would say a straight person couldn't have a viewpoint on gay topics, but it likely is difficult to comprehend unless you have experienced it yourself. The portrayal of gay men in media is extremely monolithic and stereotypical, and actually quite insulting. Gay characters are usually shown as catty, comedic and promiscuous; and are never shown in a loving relationship or raising a family. Lesbian couples are much easier to include as they (often) appeal to straight male viewers and are more socially acceptable. It is very common to see lesbian couples shown raising a child. While this sort of thing is something I have come to expect from most other forms of media that claim to be "woke" but only push these issues in socially-acceptable ways, given the Sims franchises' history of being (dare I say) brave for including homosexual relationships when it ships all over the world, I expected better from them.
@Chazzzy In future, please don't comment on my topics unless you have something constructive to add. Thanks.
I agree with them. This game already gives you all the tools for whatever you want to happen. The real issue is that you want to force the devs through shaming to set it up for you the way you want to make a social statement.
Just play the game the way you want and leave the devs alone.
exactly...but I think these people want more representation in the game and rather bully and berate the team for not having enough...like dude...JUST MAKE YOUR OWN. Like....they could have not EVEN bothered with even putting gay pre-mades..ever think about that?
Again I do not believe the team did this intentionally...you cannot please everyone.
There is nothing stopping you for making your own.
exactly why is this so hard to understand?