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That is exactly what I'm saying. To make a sweeping assumption in your own biased opinion will very obviously make some users upset, and it is better to clarify yourself (by yourself).
Goodness gracious I understand everyone can have an opinion, but you should be more clear when wording it.
I do too but really it's unnecessary. If someone says 'your game can't be complete without toddlers' then they are in the wrong completely.
But you can't interpret someone else expressing their subjective experiences to mean anything personal to you.
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The issue is this forum is used by people of all nationalities, ages and backgrounds. You or I may be able to articulate ourselves well but deciding that you wish to take every comment as a slight towards how you play is unnecessary because it's very unlikely to be the case.
Instead it may be that they have written in a rush, this isn't their first language so can't express themselves as well as they would like, that where they are from they write differently. Any number of things.
If someone says 'you can't enjoy your game because....' then that's 100% wrong.
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I've also seen quite a bit in this thread that's pretty much saying that object babies are useless. They're actually not- a baby in real life grows and builds relationship(s) with their family members(s), which is what happens in the game. My sim parent(s) are almost always good friends with their babies by the time they age up!
If you (not aimed at anybody, plus hot at the moment, tired and grumpy) knew all you were going to do was have a go at the OP for having an opposing opinion why did you click on the thread? Of course, they didn't mean EVERYBODY, and the onus that they did is on you, not them.
As gets told to me more frequently than you'd imagine, if you didn't like what you knew the topic was to be about, you shouldn't have clicked on it. And even I get fed up of seeing "There's no family play in this game", which I see far too frequently.
I didn't age up the one kid I've been playing because I adore her relationship with her dad, it is wonderful. The homework always cracks me up and I love watching the dad stand beside the computer while she is playing as if he was either cheering her on or telling her that it is enough for the day, she should go out and play. I always make him go with her to the park because it is cute how he watches over her on the playground. They have a great relationship.
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I don't support artificial groupings of players just on what they enjoy in game and consequences (read punishments) applied to all who happen to like the same things when the issue was with the few.
It applies across the board.
The reason I said I'm sick to death of this stuff is because it's true. OP doesn't need to justify his/her play style and neither does anyone else. If person one tells person two they (read person two) can't enjoy their game because person one thinks that feature is necessary that is wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong.
But if person one feels that way about their own game that's fine. It's just as true as person two enjoying the game with/without that feature.
You can't assume that if someone talks to their experience that it means anything to yours. If they say that it means something-that's one thing-but you know what the saying is about assuming.
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In the early days there was not a stage called toddlers, there were adults and children, when a child was weaned, they were put into doing jobs as the older children were, so to say if a toddler stage never existed humanity would not exist, is a misstatement. I do not see where missing that stage in our forefather's lives made them not grow up, and do more than the simplest stuff.
Every person grew through what we now call toddlers. They didn't magically jump from being a baby to being a child no matter how they were defined and every person had to learn the basics at some stage of their lives. It just happens that we call those early age groups 'toddlers' now. It's a definition. That's all. They still lived those years.
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It's a bit maddening.
I just went into the game too see if I am having this Big Eyes/CC problem.
Dang it, I really miss my sims.
I visited the cafe and saw a couple of sims that I set up as dating couples, using Get Together.
Lots of public displays of affection going on.
I just feel like I don't want to go any further with them until Generations shows up.
Generations
Generations
Generations.
Yeah I stopped playing because I didn't want to miss out on my sims offspring living through all stages of their lives. For me it's like each sim is missing years from their lives!
BTW your sims ate gorgeous
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Different way of looking at things, and I admire your point of view. Leave things out of a game will just make more stuff be left out of a game. Seeing it from that stand point brings up a lot of points about the game. Although I have to say playing babies in this game is useless LOL! I know that was not your point, and I do get what you are saying, but actually the game always did go to the adults anyway.
Some of the points you bring up if you look at it not as deep as you were, is that the sims is play with life, (your life), and leaving out all those other stages as you point out, will make it so I can't play with my life, but babies and toddlers do not play this game, so you have to make them if they are in your life. How about they add a new stage to this game, How about pre-schoolers, they are not toddlers they are older, so they go from toddlers to pre-schoolers and then to children?
There is no way, and I have been on the forums for awhile and this time it is the worse, that some people will give up their attitudes about toddlers being or out of the game, and basically it is really a matter of choice here, which I keep saying, and all I get is "you can age them up" which says to me, "be quiet, my opinion is what matters." So there is a lot of blaming back and forth and it comes out in posts all the time, and really it should not. Basically telling me to age them up is telling me what to do in my game.
I have a friend who also plays the sims, she also lost a 18month old to cancer, she can't play the other versions of this game as it is too painful for her to see the toddlers in the game, to just age them up shows her what she missed with her son. She plays this game version happily and gets to relax as it is not real life, and she does not have to have that stage show up so real life does not interfere. It should be choice, she should not have to have them in her game (key word here Her game) if she chooses not to have them.
Yeah ^^ The dad is now in love with another male sim after mom died in an accident (she shouldn't have tried to repair the TV) and he moved in. Dad is a neat guy, the new partner isn't. Whenever stepdad cooks, and he cooks very well, he is tidying up after him but very cheerfully. I coo at them because chances are, especially after the last patch. stepdad will observe him and sip at a glass of water. The conversations I think they have! It's all very homey and fun.
Yours surprise you too, all the time?
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Agree!
But, just like the latest patch, where the player has the option, (THANK YOU EA for that), perhaps those who don't wish to play toddlers can either age them up quickly, as was done in the past, or toggle a switch to keep things as they are now. I'm all about choice in this.
Having toddlers, also makes it easier, in my opinion, to space the children in the family. I like about 1-3 years (Sim days) tops between my children. It's all guess work in Sims4, unless you make the whole family in CAS and then age them up with the cake, individually.
But, I do appreciate your argument, OP. When I was struggling to have children, for years, it was a slap in my face whenever we played Mattel's Game of Life. I couldn't even have children in a board game. Nor was I ever able to adopt. That space kept eluding me. It was very painful.
I have to say I held my breath with this latest patch, fearing my world would become overrun with a lifestyle I can't appreciate. I thought my days of playing this game were over. I'm very glad EA played it cool. We have control and that's a very good thing.
Perhaps when toddlers are returned, EA will be equally cool in their handling of it.
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I think that realistically men do not have babies or get pregnant to my knowledge, and they do in this game, and maybe that is my "family play" here so how does the normal progression of things make it only good to have the toddler stage?
I'm very sorry that you experienced such hardship.
I fully agree with your opinion about how toddlers should be implemented, as a choice. I too thought that Sims3 really didn't do the lifestage any favours, it was indeed very tedious. It would have been amusing to watch them get into trouble or climbing the furniture, oh yes. Instead- I tried it a few times and it was like deciding between a rock and a hard place when it came to them learning to walk, for example. You either had the issue of the adults carrying and leavng the kids at random places or the kids getting underfood. I really hope that a) they are optional to toggle like werewolves, and b) better thought out.
Morri’s Showcase Thread
One of the prevailing themes in the ideas at a glance toddler thread is to be able to play 'as' the toddler rather than just having them needing to be interacted with by care givers. I think that's a way to make them far better than ever and clearly a lot of other playerd think so too.
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And your post here shows that! Why your wants over everyone else's?
If you don't like something change it, (by all means) If you can't change it (and right now you can't because toddlers are not in the game) then change the way you think about it. (this is how you enjoy the game)
Did you ever get to play TS2? Toddlers were a huge part of family play not only because they were new, but because of the level of detail and unique interactions they had. Toddlers playing with other toddlers were freaking cute, and child sims interacting with toddlers were natural and very sweet. Then you had toddlers playing with pets and toddlers interacting with their parents. You never had to leave the house and you could still have a ton of fun.
FYI: I'm not saying your argument isn't valid, but we are definitely missing out on a HUGE chunk of gameplay here that you can't replace with a few more "fun" items like the outdoor movie set. And evidently, I'm not the only one who thinks this- the 'EA Silence on Family Play' thread has reached over 1200 pages: http://forums.thesims.com/en_US/discussion/801025/ea-silence-on-family-play-and-family-play-fans/p1