Well, to be fair, any company that doesn't capitalize on being able to boast that they've broken their own records for sales is handling their marketing wrong. So them announcing that in an article makes sense. Also, someone else mentioned (maybe it was @Trick?) that EA's quarterly report came out about a week after TS3 was released so it would have been public information by then anyway.
As for the second article, it needs to be burned with fire. The notice at the top of the article has improper grammar that makes it look like TS4 has sold 175 million copies, they use VgChartz as a source and they talk about women and gaming in a rather derogatory manner. Someone posted the article link previously and we had an interesting discussion about how irritating and inaccurate that article was.
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Well, to be fair, any company that doesn't capitalize on being able to boast that they've broken their own records for sales is handling their marketing wrong. So them announcing that in an article makes sense. Also, someone else mentioned (maybe it was @Trick?) that EA's quarterly report came out about a week after TS3 was released so it would have been public information by then anyway.
As for the second article, it needs to be burned with fire. The notice at the top of the article has improper grammar that makes it look like TS4 has sold 175 million copies, they use VgChartz as a source and they talk about women and gaming in a rather derogatory manner. Someone posted the article link previously and we had an interesting discussion about how irritating and inaccurate that article was.
Just because EA hasn't posted the sales yet doesn't mean they aren't good.
It does. NO company actively doing damage control and bleeding money would hide they have a new best-seller.
Yeah its quite to quite for EA. Or did someone heard about the activity from EA ?
Not a peep and it is all quiet on the western front, nothing but crickets.
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Well, to be fair, any company that doesn't capitalize on being able to boast that they've broken their own records for sales is handling their marketing wrong. So them announcing that in an article makes sense. Also, someone else mentioned (maybe it was @Trick?) that EA's quarterly report came out about a week after TS3 was released so it would have been public information by then anyway.
As for the second article, it needs to be burned with fire. The notice at the top of the article has improper grammar that makes it look like TS4 has sold 175 million copies, they use VgChartz as a source and they talk about women and gaming in a rather derogatory manner. Someone posted the article link previously and we had an interesting discussion about how irritating and inaccurate that article was.
Your first point is fair, but I disagree on your last two points. If the purpose is to boast about good sales records, then all those who have been saying that TS4 is not selling as well is correct, or we would have seen some official news about the sales figures already. The whole point about my post was to provide citations for those who are asking for it, however. I don't know if the VG numbers are reliable or whether or not TS3 is doing better than TS4 in actual fact.
I don't find the article misleading at all, the author clearly mentioned that the franchise sold 175 million copies, there is only one interpretation for that. I also do not find the article sexist at all, and I am a working woman myself. All the author did was mention that the majority of sims players were female (approx 65%), based on EA estimates. I don't think the author should be hung when all he did was cite official statistics. So what if the majority of players are females? Is that supposed to be bad?
Soon the story will be told if Sims 4 is a flop or it was a success but one thing it will not be is GOTY.
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Well, to be fair, any company that doesn't capitalize on being able to boast that they've broken their own records for sales is handling their marketing wrong. So them announcing that in an article makes sense. Also, someone else mentioned (maybe it was @Trick?) that EA's quarterly report came out about a week after TS3 was released so it would have been public information by then anyway.
As for the second article, it needs to be burned with fire. The notice at the top of the article has improper grammar that makes it look like TS4 has sold 175 million copies, they use VgChartz as a source and they talk about women and gaming in a rather derogatory manner. Someone posted the article link previously and we had an interesting discussion about how irritating and inaccurate that article was.
Your first point is fair, but I disagree on your last two points. If the purpose is to boast about good sales records, then all those who have been saying that TS4 is not selling as well is correct, or we would have seen some official news about the sales figures already. The whole point about my post was to provide citations for those who are asking for it, however. I don't know if the VG numbers are reliable or whether or not TS3 is doing better than TS4 in actual fact.
I don't find the article misleading at all, the author clearly mentioned that the franchise sold 175 million copies, there is only one interpretation for that. I also do not find the article sexist at all, and I am a working woman myself. All the author did was mention that the majority of sims players were female (approx 65%), based on EA estimates. I don't think the author should be hung when all he did was cite official statistics. So what if the majority of players are females? Is that supposed to be bad?
My point about the quarterly report coming out the week after TS3 was released was to explain that EA doesn't necessarily release that sort of info about all of their games normally unless they have a report coming out. Does that make sense? IOW, they weren't necessarily doing anything out of the ordinary by announcing a record breaking sales week because that announcement coincided with the public release of their sales report anyway. Also, I'm not sure anyone (even EA) was expecting TS4 to break PC sales records for them again. I don't think it necessarily points to them doing poorly, just that they didn't have extraordinary sales for TS4. I'm still guessing around 800K or so for their first week which really doesn't seem that bad to me.
As for the article link, the broad generalization about women playing games like Kardashians and Candy Crush I find a bit offensive. As if women haven't been playing "hardcore" video games as long as they've been available. But I'd have to go find that other thread to really remember the whole discussion. Maybe this is a different article but it definitely includes some of the same points that I recall.
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Soon the story will be told if Sims 4 is a flop or it was a success but one thing it will not be is GOTY.
TBH I don't think it will become GOTY, either. They're too many things left out and, quite frankly, it's lacks a lot of replay value. From what I've seen and hear, EA and Maxis had better get their act together and bring this back up to snuff. Otherwise a lot of people will be receiving some pink slips in the future, and as harsh as that sounds it's the truth.
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Well, to be fair, any company that doesn't capitalize on being able to boast that they've broken their own records for sales is handling their marketing wrong. So them announcing that in an article makes sense. Also, someone else mentioned (maybe it was @Trick?) that EA's quarterly report came out about a week after TS3 was released so it would have been public information by then anyway.
As for the second article, it needs to be burned with fire. The notice at the top of the article has improper grammar that makes it look like TS4 has sold 175 million copies, they use VgChartz as a source and they talk about women and gaming in a rather derogatory manner. Someone posted the article link previously and we had an interesting discussion about how irritating and inaccurate that article was.
Your first point is fair, but I disagree on your last two points. If the purpose is to boast about good sales records, then all those who have been saying that TS4 is not selling as well is correct, or we would have seen some official news about the sales figures already. The whole point about my post was to provide citations for those who are asking for it, however. I don't know if the VG numbers are reliable or whether or not TS3 is doing better than TS4 in actual fact.
I don't find the article misleading at all, the author clearly mentioned that the franchise sold 175 million copies, there is only one interpretation for that. I also do not find the article sexist at all, and I am a working woman myself. All the author did was mention that the majority of sims players were female (approx 65%), based on EA estimates. I don't think the author should be hung when all he did was cite official statistics. So what if the majority of players are females? Is that supposed to be bad?
My point about the quarterly report coming out the week after TS3 was released was to explain that EA doesn't necessarily release that sort of info about all of their games normally unless they have a report coming out. Does that make sense? IOW, they weren't necessarily doing anything out of the ordinary by announcing a record breaking sales week because that announcement coincided with the public release of their sales report anyway. Also, I'm not sure anyone (even EA) was expecting TS4 to break PC sales records for them again. I don't think it necessarily points to them doing poorly, just that they didn't have extraordinary sales for TS4. I'm still guessing around 800K or so for their first week which really doesn't seem that bad to me.
As for the article link, the broad generalization about women playing games like Kardashians and Candy Crush I find a bit offensive. As if women haven't been playing "hardcore" video games as long as they've been available. But I'd have to go find that other thread to really remember the whole discussion. Maybe this is a different article but it definitely includes some of the same points that I recall.
I see your first point, time will tell how well the respective games are doing. EA's quarterly earnings released is expected mid- late October, so maybe we can expect an announcement around that time regarding the sales figures.
It probably is the same article. The author is not so much making point blank assumptions as he is citing someone who is painted as an expert in marketing. What the article is stating is that TS4 may not do as well, because according to EA's last released figures, women were the majority of the franchise's fanbase and according to industry trends, women are turning to mobile games and facebook-style games such as candy crush, which could impact sales figures. I feel the need to speak up here as I do not think it is fair that this author is being crucified on your other thread for citing figures that are given to him. The article does not reek of any emotive language (in fact, the article is essentially quotes from people like Rachel Franklin et al) and the author certainly is not being sexist here. I understand that being clumped in with the trend isn't probably what you like to hear especially if you are a "hardcore" gamer and if you are lumped in with "casuals" (and you are of course welcome to your own opinions), but generalization happens everywhere from supply chain analysis to studying global healthcare risks. General trends are important key drivers behind business and political decisions, and is therefore appropriate in a business article.
It probably is the same article. The author is not so much making point blank assumptions as he is citing someone who is painted as an expert in marketing. What the article is stating is that TS4 may not do as well, because according to EA's last released figures, women were the majority of the franchise's fanbase and according to industry trends, women are turning to mobile games and facebook-style games such as candy crush, which could impact sales figures. I feel the need to speak up here as I do not think it is fair that this author is being crucified on your other thread for citing figures that are given to him. The article does not reek of any emotive language (in fact, the article is essentially quotes from people like Rachel Franklin et al) and the author certainly is not being sexist here. I understand that being clumped in with the trend isn't probably what you like to hear especially if you are a "hardcore" gamer and if you are lumped in with "casuals" (and you are of course welcome to your own opinions), but generalization happens everywhere from supply chain analysis to studying global healthcare risks. General trends are important key drivers behind business and political decisions, and is therefore appropriate in a business article.
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I actually wasn't vilifying the author, just the article. I realize the author wasn't the one making the generalizations, it was the marketing person and that is the person we were discussing in the other thread. If I feel the urge to find the thread again at some point, I'll post it for you. I'm not sure, however, why you feel the need to defend anyone. As I said, I didn't like the article (burn it with fire, not burn the author with fire) and pointed out why. Sorry if I didn't explain myself clearly enough but I'm sure the author (as well as the marketing person) don't actually need you to defend them.
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Just because EA hasn't posted the sales yet doesn't mean they aren't good.
It does. NO company actively doing damage control and bleeding money would hide they have a new best-seller.
I mean The Sims 4 could be a new best-seller and they still wouldn't have released the number yet. All I'm saying is just because they haven't released it yet doesn't really mean anything.
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@Trick:the 1.4 million figure came from an EA announcement- http://www.nbcnews.com/id/31194133/ns/technology_and_science-games/t/sims-sells-million-copies-first-week/#.VBzNz_ldXvs
@mulboro: I agree, you have to use the same source. Let's use EA- they announced the 1.4 million figure for TS3, but it is inconsistent of them to claim that they do not release sales figures for specific games with regards to TS4 in this recent article (http://business.financialpost.com/2014/09/02/electronic-arts-the-sims-4-aims-to-prove-theres-still-a-market-for-pricey-pc-based-life-simulators/?__lsa=1b37-9a83)
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Well, to be fair, any company that doesn't capitalize on being able to boast that they've broken their own records for sales is handling their marketing wrong. So them announcing that in an article makes sense. Also, someone else mentioned (maybe it was @Trick?) that EA's quarterly report came out about a week after TS3 was released so it would have been public information by then anyway.
As for the second article, it needs to be burned with fire. The notice at the top of the article has improper grammar that makes it look like TS4 has sold 175 million copies, they use VgChartz as a source and they talk about women and gaming in a rather derogatory manner. Someone posted the article link previously and we had an interesting discussion about how irritating and inaccurate that article was.
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It does. NO company actively doing damage control and bleeding money would hide they have a new best-seller.
Yeah its quiet to quiet for EA. Or did someone heard about the activity from EA ?
No offense, but, did you mean quite too quiet? I didn't quite get it.
Yeah sorry i have corrected now lol
Your first point is fair, but I disagree on your last two points. If the purpose is to boast about good sales records, then all those who have been saying that TS4 is not selling as well is correct, or we would have seen some official news about the sales figures already. The whole point about my post was to provide citations for those who are asking for it, however. I don't know if the VG numbers are reliable or whether or not TS3 is doing better than TS4 in actual fact.
I don't find the article misleading at all, the author clearly mentioned that the franchise sold 175 million copies, there is only one interpretation for that. I also do not find the article sexist at all, and I am a working woman myself. All the author did was mention that the majority of sims players were female (approx 65%), based on EA estimates. I don't think the author should be hung when all he did was cite official statistics. So what if the majority of players are females? Is that supposed to be bad?
Well most Reviews give them 7/10 Scores so i don't think so too
My point about the quarterly report coming out the week after TS3 was released was to explain that EA doesn't necessarily release that sort of info about all of their games normally unless they have a report coming out. Does that make sense? IOW, they weren't necessarily doing anything out of the ordinary by announcing a record breaking sales week because that announcement coincided with the public release of their sales report anyway. Also, I'm not sure anyone (even EA) was expecting TS4 to break PC sales records for them again. I don't think it necessarily points to them doing poorly, just that they didn't have extraordinary sales for TS4. I'm still guessing around 800K or so for their first week which really doesn't seem that bad to me.
As for the article link, the broad generalization about women playing games like Kardashians and Candy Crush I find a bit offensive. As if women haven't been playing "hardcore" video games as long as they've been available. But I'd have to go find that other thread to really remember the whole discussion. Maybe this is a different article but it definitely includes some of the same points that I recall.
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TBH I don't think it will become GOTY, either. They're too many things left out and, quite frankly, it's lacks a lot of replay value. From what I've seen and hear, EA and Maxis had better get their act together and bring this back up to snuff. Otherwise a lot of people will be receiving some pink slips in the future, and as harsh as that sounds it's the truth.
I see your first point, time will tell how well the respective games are doing. EA's quarterly earnings released is expected mid- late October, so maybe we can expect an announcement around that time regarding the sales figures.
It probably is the same article. The author is not so much making point blank assumptions as he is citing someone who is painted as an expert in marketing. What the article is stating is that TS4 may not do as well, because according to EA's last released figures, women were the majority of the franchise's fanbase and according to industry trends, women are turning to mobile games and facebook-style games such as candy crush, which could impact sales figures. I feel the need to speak up here as I do not think it is fair that this author is being crucified on your other thread for citing figures that are given to him. The article does not reek of any emotive language (in fact, the article is essentially quotes from people like Rachel Franklin et al) and the author certainly is not being sexist here. I understand that being clumped in with the trend isn't probably what you like to hear especially if you are a "hardcore" gamer and if you are lumped in with "casuals" (and you are of course welcome to your own opinions), but generalization happens everywhere from supply chain analysis to studying global healthcare risks. General trends are important key drivers behind business and political decisions, and is therefore appropriate in a business article.
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Agree.
Basically.
I actually wasn't vilifying the author, just the article. I realize the author wasn't the one making the generalizations, it was the marketing person and that is the person we were discussing in the other thread. If I feel the urge to find the thread again at some point, I'll post it for you. I'm not sure, however, why you feel the need to defend anyone. As I said, I didn't like the article (burn it with fire, not burn the author with fire) and pointed out why. Sorry if I didn't explain myself clearly enough but I'm sure the author (as well as the marketing person) don't actually need you to defend them.
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I mean The Sims 4 could be a new best-seller and they still wouldn't have released the number yet. All I'm saying is just because they haven't released it yet doesn't really mean anything.