The thing is if EA had just given us enough rooms to use our imagination, our imaginations would do a better job than they could ever program. It's why simlish is so great, we don't have to hear what they say we make it up ourselves. Telling us a sim is having an "unpleasant conversation" while they look perfectly happy just doesn't work. I don't know what they should've done, but they've done it before and whatever they did this time didn't work.
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> @Shaobun said: > Telling us a sim is having an "unpleasant conversation" while they look perfectly happy just doesn't work.
This. When the mean Sim was talking to my good Sim, they were having an "unpleasant conversation" but she was smiling and laughing. I only realised she was unhappy when she ran to kick a trashcan after. Maybe that was her grimace face? I mean, we all look like we're smiley and happy when we're disgusted right?
Holy plum!
"Sims now have feelings and very strong personalities, making them more volatile and reactive to those around them, whether that be objects, places or other Sims."
Don't know what to say.. I'm embarrassed on their behalf...
The facial expressions are all part of the animation, unfortunately. I guess they didn't want to code loads of different animation sets for each interaction. Since TS2 I have been saying the game would be more immersive if Sims's faces didn't animate at all, so the expression you gave them in CAS was the expression they kept. That way we could apply our imaginations more and the sims would not ruin our stories (both imaginary and written) by refusing to look how we wanted to imagine them.
The facial expressions are all part of the animation, unfortunately. I guess they didn't want to code loads of different animation sets for each interaction.
Surely they could keep the body animations separate from facial expressions though. It's not like their heads swap to their elbows when they're angry.
Customers don’t expect you to be perfect. They do expect you to fix things when they go wrong. ~ Donald Porter
Wow... that is disappointing.
I'd actually really like a guru to read this and comment. What is the point of even having traits if they do nothing.
Yes, some traits have some sort of an impact, but others have less. I was annoyed today when Pancake Bob, who is a lazy slob, autonomously decided to go clean, and then got a tense moodlet for doing too many chores. Sounds like a personal problem.
yeah! a GP is needed with the career Shrink
& one could collect phobias
no seriously,
everything described in this thread is why i stopped playing all the traits/relationships/feeling related stuff in TS4 for now,
just waiting for further patches
i won't be participating in the forums & the gallery anymore - thanks EA
@EmberDahl ~ Just wanted to say I thought your post was hilarious.
As far as TS4 goes, I think they should change the tagline to "It's what you make of it."
...Because it's certainly not what they (EA) claims to have made.
@EmberDahl This was the funniest thing I have seen, I really enjoyed your story. the thing why it did not bother me, is that there are really people who no matter what you do, they will not get mad.
I would love to try that one out. I just might make a really bad sim and see how far he can go to make someone mad.
You made a house hold of the girls and sausage man did not live with them, is that the way you did it. He only just came in as a visitor. You only controlled sausage man.
I wonder what would happen if sausage man lived with them, but you only control sausage man. I guess it would be the same.
Sounds like a very fun experiment.
I might not use sausage and use another kind of sim to do it.
Loved it, thanks for the laugh. Very good.
This is the best post ever it's hilarious and highlights one of the main problems of this game. Great experiment! I hope some gurus see it and at least feel embarrassed...
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Here's an update sausage fans. So being as a couple of you wanted Mr. Sausages in the gallery, I thought I would go back and beef him up a bit - fill his mischief bar - do a few tasks to get the shameless trait and complete the two deviance goals to get those extra traits to make him a more complete trouble maker.
Little did I know the adventure it would lead to. Apologies for putting up so many pictures, but a lot happened during this sim week, I had to chop out 75% of the mad things that happened just to keep the post smaller.
Anyway, I decided he needed a workplace to start maxing out his trouble making skills. So I got him all the essentials for causing maximum annoyance.
Loud blaring jukebox.... check
outside toilet...check
rotting food...check
unattended burning fire pit...check
I got a bit bored just trolling teh forums and sending chain letters to the Tenses, and luckily, who was I to see walking in the background but Ricky Gervais' Derek - perfect, a 'good' sim to have a rant at.
So I did this for a bit - one of the Tenses came over to visit - Voodoo stabbed her
So now I had finished most of the aspiration goals apart from the block 3 sinks in 3 different houses - first off I went to Richie and Eddie's house from BBC sitcom 'Bottom' and was overjoyed when Eddie gave me a rude greeting (see the emotions are working)
Unfortunately, it was only a small blip, and he went on to talk in a friendly way just after I had knackered his sink.
So I went to the second house, and this is where the fun starts. The first screen grab from this location has a date stamp of 02-26-15_10-00 AM. The bit where the incident finally finished was date stamped 02-26-15_11-29 AM. Now I have removed all mods (apart from clothing), I haven't turned off any autonomous actions - it is on full and I'm only controlling the sausage.
So first thing I do is lay into the child of the family in front of the dad as a gentle warm up. Dad watched but didn't really do anything - but I wasn't expecting miracles.
Then, I realised I hadn't eaten since the start of my quest, so started cooking- my only skill is mischief, because those are the only options I have been choosing, I haven't even told a joke about a frog yet. So of course my inexperience with food preparation causes a fire, which makes everyone run out to join the dad and boy who were still in the same place from my insulting encounter.
It was then when I saw the flames spreading I thought , I wonder what will happen if I do absolutely nothing?"
So that's exactly what I did.
Night time came, and it was getting quite toasty inside and everyone seemed in good spirits
I was starting to notice that the flames were inching their way closer to the still stoic family
Morning broke, and at last the young boy finally twigged something was making him feel a little warmer than usual.
The dad's bladder failed however, which seemed way more important than their impending doom.
Later on it was mum's turn to notice something wasn't all peachy.The boy disappeared to school - weirdly, he never came back
Well it was inevitable I guess. Poor Mum's arms started to get a little more warm and flamey than she was used to
Tut, what's Mum making all that fuss about - I don't know Daughter, it can't be that important, not worth turning my head for really.
Ah, here comes a neighbour maybe he can help me...
Sorry to keep you awake husband, I hope my burning flesh and screams don't disturb your nap
So..... do you come here often?
Is it me, or has it suddenly got a bit colder.
Hilariously, Mr. Death sussed out this heating problem straight away and ran off like a big babby.
Eventually though he remembered he was a professional and got back to job in hand.
Unfortunately he forgot how to get home.
A lot later I got a bit bored of just standing about, and had to boost my needs- luckily I packed some rotting food to eat and went off to admire my handy work. The fire was still going strong, and finally had ignited their last bed.
Outside the remaining family (dad had gone to work - again never to be seen again) the two girls were looking at ants, and Death had been there so long that all the bits that had caught fire had turned into beautiful trash plants.
Wednesday Morning now, and very little had changed
Then at last, the very last thing that could possibly burn had done so. The daughters went straight inside, one had a bath, the other one probably had the desire to watch the sports channel - sorry love, it's a bit crispy now.
And do you know what the oddest thing about all this? After the fire had finished, My evil mean mad sim was the only sim that seemed to care. No lie, the first thing Mr. Sausages did was grieve at the mother's urn.
man that images are the most funny and most sad in my game story to show how "horrible" the most important highlited feature of a game really was a joke and dont work at all, man this game is so mess which make hard believe which was the same team which made sims 2 and 3 also made this game... serious??? they are really the same team???? i really dont believe on it, how a team can make 2 great works and make a crap on that???? really the rush was the worst thing i see in my life.
man that images are the most funny and most sad in my game story to show how "horrible" the most important highlited feature of a game really was a joke and dont work at all, man this game is so mess which make hard believe which was the same team which made sims 2 and 3 also made this game... serious??? they are really the same team???? i really dont believe on it, how a team can make 2 great works and make a crap on that???? really the rush was the worst thing i see in my life.
They were forced to rush out the game based on an internal company deadline, whether or not it was properly finished.
Yes @fullspiral @SimGuruBChick maybe you can let the other gurus know about this and you guys can investigate. Considering 'emotions' are a key selling point for TS4 they obviously aren't working as intended surely?!
This is hysterically funny and sad at the same time.
While you have made the shallowness and severe lacking of the sims, their reactions, actions and emotions funny, it really is so sad for us as game players.
I truly hope there are Gurus's watching your post. This is a perfect example of what is wrong with this game!!!!!!!!!!!
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> Telling us a sim is having an "unpleasant conversation" while they look perfectly happy just doesn't work.
This. When the mean Sim was talking to my good Sim, they were having an "unpleasant conversation" but she was smiling and laughing. I only realised she was unhappy when she ran to kick a trashcan after. Maybe that was her grimace face? I mean, we all look like we're smiley and happy when we're disgusted right?
"Sims now have feelings and very strong personalities, making them more volatile and reactive to those around them, whether that be objects, places or other Sims."
Don't know what to say.. I'm embarrassed on their behalf...
& one could collect phobias
no seriously,
everything described in this thread is why i stopped playing all the traits/relationships/feeling related stuff in TS4 for now,
just waiting for further patches
As far as TS4 goes, I think they should change the tagline to "It's what you make of it."
...Because it's certainly not what they (EA) claims to have made.
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I would love to try that one out. I just might make a really bad sim and see how far he can go to make someone mad.
You made a house hold of the girls and sausage man did not live with them, is that the way you did it. He only just came in as a visitor. You only controlled sausage man.
I wonder what would happen if sausage man lived with them, but you only control sausage man. I guess it would be the same.
Sounds like a very fun experiment.
I might not use sausage and use another kind of sim to do it.
Loved it, thanks for the laugh. Very good.
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This is why I love reading Sims stories...
You Simmers do it so much better than the Sims themselves xD
Bahahahahaha... I can't even...
It's basically a children's game, they can't have anything bad happen in it, now can they?
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Here's an update sausage fans. So being as a couple of you wanted Mr. Sausages in the gallery, I thought I would go back and beef him up a bit - fill his mischief bar - do a few tasks to get the shameless trait and complete the two deviance goals to get those extra traits to make him a more complete trouble maker.
Little did I know the adventure it would lead to. Apologies for putting up so many pictures, but a lot happened during this sim week, I had to chop out 75% of the mad things that happened just to keep the post smaller.
Anyway, I decided he needed a workplace to start maxing out his trouble making skills. So I got him all the essentials for causing maximum annoyance.
Loud blaring jukebox.... check
outside toilet...check
rotting food...check
unattended burning fire pit...check
I got a bit bored just trolling teh forums and sending chain letters to the Tenses, and luckily, who was I to see walking in the background but Ricky Gervais' Derek - perfect, a 'good' sim to have a rant at.
So I did this for a bit - one of the Tenses came over to visit - Voodoo stabbed her
So now I had finished most of the aspiration goals apart from the block 3 sinks in 3 different houses - first off I went to Richie and Eddie's house from BBC sitcom 'Bottom' and was overjoyed when Eddie gave me a rude greeting (see the emotions are working)
Unfortunately, it was only a small blip, and he went on to talk in a friendly way just after I had knackered his sink.
So I went to the second house, and this is where the fun starts. The first screen grab from this location has a date stamp of 02-26-15_10-00 AM. The bit where the incident finally finished was date stamped 02-26-15_11-29 AM. Now I have removed all mods (apart from clothing), I haven't turned off any autonomous actions - it is on full and I'm only controlling the sausage.
So first thing I do is lay into the child of the family in front of the dad as a gentle warm up. Dad watched but didn't really do anything - but I wasn't expecting miracles.
Then, I realised I hadn't eaten since the start of my quest, so started cooking- my only skill is mischief, because those are the only options I have been choosing, I haven't even told a joke about a frog yet. So of course my inexperience with food preparation causes a fire, which makes everyone run out to join the dad and boy who were still in the same place from my insulting encounter.
It was then when I saw the flames spreading I thought , I wonder what will happen if I do absolutely nothing?"
So that's exactly what I did.
Night time came, and it was getting quite toasty inside and everyone seemed in good spirits
I was starting to notice that the flames were inching their way closer to the still stoic family
Morning broke, and at last the young boy finally twigged something was making him feel a little warmer than usual.
The dad's bladder failed however, which seemed way more important than their impending doom.
Later on it was mum's turn to notice something wasn't all peachy.The boy disappeared to school - weirdly, he never came back
Well it was inevitable I guess. Poor Mum's arms started to get a little more warm and flamey than she was used to
Tut, what's Mum making all that fuss about - I don't know Daughter, it can't be that important, not worth turning my head for really.
Ah, here comes a neighbour maybe he can help me...
...yessssss, he's noticed - I'm sure he'll help...
Oh... Dag dag neighbour
Sorry to keep you awake husband, I hope my burning flesh and screams don't disturb your nap
So..... do you come here often?
Is it me, or has it suddenly got a bit colder.
Hilariously, Mr. Death sussed out this heating problem straight away and ran off like a big babby.
Eventually though he remembered he was a professional and got back to job in hand.
Unfortunately he forgot how to get home.
A lot later I got a bit bored of just standing about, and had to boost my needs- luckily I packed some rotting food to eat and went off to admire my handy work. The fire was still going strong, and finally had ignited their last bed.
Outside the remaining family (dad had gone to work - again never to be seen again) the two girls were looking at ants, and Death had been there so long that all the bits that had caught fire had turned into beautiful trash plants.
Wednesday Morning now, and very little had changed
Then at last, the very last thing that could possibly burn had done so. The daughters went straight inside, one had a bath, the other one probably had the desire to watch the sports channel - sorry love, it's a bit crispy now.
And do you know what the oddest thing about all this? After the fire had finished, My evil mean mad sim was the only sim that seemed to care. No lie, the first thing Mr. Sausages did was grieve at the mother's urn.
EDIT- missing picture
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They were forced to rush out the game based on an internal company deadline, whether or not it was properly finished.
@SimGuruBChick maybe you can let the other gurus know about this and you guys can investigate. Considering 'emotions' are a key selling point for TS4 they obviously aren't working as intended surely?!
https://twitter.com/sparkfairy1
While you have made the shallowness and severe lacking of the sims, their reactions, actions and emotions funny, it really is so sad for us as game players.
I truly hope there are Gurus's watching your post. This is a perfect example of what is wrong with this game!!!!!!!!!!!
Great Job!!! @EmberDahl
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