Im not against the idea, but it WILL cause an uproar no matter how well done it is. Whenever a discussion for disabilities occurs, there's always these 3 arguments that come up:
"Disabilities is politics and isnt needed in the game! Why cant they use that time and money to fix the game instead?"
"I have a disability and I dont want to see this in the game. My disability makes my day to day life difficult, why would I want to be reminded of in game?"
"I have a disability and I do want to see this in the game! But they have to include every disability that exists or else they are not inclusive."
Im neutral to the idea of disability representation in the game, but I do not want to be around for the poopstorm that will occur should the team decide to go that route.
I fall into the second group, I don't want representation in the sims and besides why is it always the non disabled trying to push this, shouldn't this pack idea be consulted by the simmers who actually has disabilities before coming to this conclusion.
Honestly, if you were correct, I might agree with you...
I stand by my previous statement posted in your other poll.
I believe there comes a point where one should start using one’s imagination and ability to think creatively.
Utilize the tools we’re offered in this game in creative ways and don’t expect every single feature that promotes inclusiveness to be literally handed to us.
If you’re a console player and you genuinely want a real life disability as part of your game, maybe it’s time to invest in a gaming laptop or pc so you can start using mods.
I think people are looking for a different simulation game when asking for this kind of gameplay.
The Sims is comedy. The lactose intolerance trait has potential to be comical. A simmer could force a sim with that trait to only drink milk and be entertained by the way they’re suffering. Fun in a game, maybe, but not in real life. We can kill off sims in 50 different ways. Fun in a game, perhaps, in real life not so much, to put it mildly. Can you imagine what the implementation of full on disabilities could do?
I believe people just want, want & want all these too serious to life elements stuffed in their game but fail to consider the consequences.
Why do you think Maxis sneaks in traits like lactose intolerant? That’s because part of the community has been begging for disabilities to be included and this is a way for the team to see how the community reacts! Let’s start off with something small, shall we?
It didn’t go down very well with some and folks wanted it to be removed because apparently it’s offensive.
Imagine this kinda stuff on a grander scale?
I’ll be on a different planet when that happens. Sixam perhaps. If I could ever live there that is. 🙄
Simmer here with autism and ADHD, I'm more against this kind of representation, however I'm perfectly fine if there's an option toggle I not going to ruin someone else's idea of fun, maybe add inappropriate trait, with my autism I don't have a mental disability it's more of a social disability, I'm high functioning so I'm more neurotypical since it's barely noticeable, the ADHD however makes it impossible to focus on things and remember stuff, sometimes I even forget how to spell certain words or what day of the week it is.
I miss overemotional and inappropriate traits from Sims 3.
Your results are unlikely to change regardless of how much you want them to. Base game or EP, there is a large part of the community so dead against it that EA is never going to touch it for the points I already expressed in your other thread.
Instead of a poll why not have a discussion on what should be included in it and draw up a concept of what it should look like. That might, very loosely might, help you change minds if you are so keen on this idea. It would be a lot better than a poll.
But I still stand by my opinions in the other thread. I am unconvinced this will ever come to pass.
Again the uproar over lactose intolerance is a prime example as to why this should not ever happen. That is a fairly minor physical impediment in the grand scheme of things and it caused a massive uproar
because people with it felt mocked and that it was being made light of.
I can only imagine what would happen with something more serious and more limiting. It would be absolute Armageddon. Not to mention as someone pointed out on the thread you made before that was identical to this one the cost of reanimating basically the entire game would be enormous.
Your results are unlikely to change regardless of how much you want them to. Base game or EP, there is a large part of the community so dead against it that EA is never going to touch it for the points I already expressed in your other thread.
Instead of a poll why not have a discussion on what should be included in it and draw up a concept of what it should look like. That might, very loosely might, help you change minds if you are so keen on this idea. It would be a lot better than a poll.
But I still stand by my opinions in the other thread. I am unconvinced this will ever come to pass.
They should add lots of things…but not serious disabilities. This is a satirical life simulation not an exact life duplication game that is meant to be fun and lighthearted it just not meant to be that deep or that serious frankly steering it down that road would ruin it. This game isn’t meant to be super serious and if you make it so it’s an entirely different game and you cannot include serious disabilities in a comic satirical game like this without many people feeling insulted or mocked, especially not these days. It’s a recipe for disaster.
Also a word of advice? You should probably stop making these threads on this topic that are virtually identical or you’re going to get snagged for spamming.
Your results are unlikely to change regardless of how much you want them to. Base game or EP, there is a large part of the community so dead against it that EA is never going to touch it for the points I already expressed in your other thread.
Instead of a poll why not have a discussion on what should be included in it and draw up a concept of what it should look like. That might, very loosely might, help you change minds if you are so keen on this idea. It would be a lot better than a poll.
But I still stand by my opinions in the other thread. I am unconvinced this will ever come to pass.
Never, EVER should this be thought of as a mockery!
1. There are disabled simmers out there, who may want to feel included in Sims' diverse world.
2. A recent poll suggested this should not be an EP. Those who were for having disabilities in game claimed that it would not be fair to have to pay to feel the disabled people are included.
3. Again, this is not meant to be a mockery. This is intended to include people with conditions- physical, mental, psychological, etc, and to offer a window into real life challenges.
Have your sims have trouble in school, but excel at other aspects. The old lady who can't walk could win the grand prize in a knitting competition. The child who struggles in school paints like a master. The one disabled with mental health aspires to become a doctor and aid others who have conditions.
Added features: A mental health hospital to visit, and meet people involved with the career. Experience therapies, feel pride in getting new crutches so you can walk again, and experience the emotional struggles.
New Aspirations: Become a neurologist, psychiatrist, or become a therapist.
Skills: Medicine: experience working with doctors to construct medicine to aid people with conditions. First Aid: Work on people who get injured using basic first aid- simple things like band-aids. Perception: Recognize a condition faster and understand medications for treatments. Necessary for doctors, useful for those who want to better understand their friends... and maybe find useful items in game. Sign Language: Speak with those who cannot.
Everything here would require making the doctor career and the hospital from Get To Work base game and so now to have potentially kicked over two massive hornets nests. The disabled community potentially feeling mocked and insulted and absolutely everyone else up in arms because a major paid for pack feature has been made base game. I mean did you see what happened with the anniversary hot tub? I thought devs were going to need police escorts to their cars that day. 😬
I also appreciate your passion for the topic, but I mean…we’re all going to say the same thing aren’t we?
You could’ve just changed the title of the first thread and/ or ask a moderator to update it for you.
If this is the way we’re gonna try and discus a topic I could just create 4 Polls for let’s say - (thinking real hard here) “bodyhair”.
Poll 1: Would you like bodyhair in an EP?
Poll 2: Would you like bodyhair in Basegame?
Poll 3: What would you like bodyhair to look like in your game?
Poll 4: Do you even grow any bodyhair?
I’m sure folks are already sick to the teeth of me constantly mentioning it.
Keep it concise and to the point or this will get awful messy.
Personally, if it is all about wants, I'd never really be against disability representation as a concept. Especially since it will be mostly elective with CAS. Even better if completely elective, since options are always a good thing. I do doubt how well they could manage it, though. Especially with the community that follows the game. It really does all depend on how they do it.
For example, I have seen a suggestion prior for randomized chances for terminal illness events. Beyond any sort of mental health thing, which I am sidelining as someone that lost her mother suddenly at a young age and could take an emotional hit depending on the time of year, it makes for a poor game mechanic, however realistic or dramatic. Such a mechanic would easily ruin a game with an unpredictable and uncontrollable game over screen, and I would consider it frustrating in general to have control taken away like that. Something like this, if it is a possibility, has to have a toggle even if other things do not.
This is just one example, but the devil is really in the details here. I cannot say what I know for sure I would really like without seeing what EA brings to the table first. Most of my experience has been with mental illness and it has not been pleasant. Actually, I know for a fact that even with disability representation I could never have a proper simself game it has been so dark at times. However, I also don't think my personal history should necessarily bind others on this kind of topic.
I don't know. I definitely think there is room for disability representation in the arts and entertainment. I also think it could possibly be in the Sims. I just don't think 4 will be able to do it this late in the game, both technically and in regards to the established reputation/community. This is a hard topic to handle well with any game, so my immediate expectation would be some level of failure and I do not think EA could tolerate that.
I don't get what the traits above and obsessions to skills has to do with Disabilities. Anyone can have an obsession and anyone can be absent minded, over emotional or inappropriate. If we are talking outside the realm of Disabilities aren't some of those traits in game already or am I think TS3.
Maybe high time to cut your losses and focus on something more enjoyable 😉
Edit: and I say that because instead of taking time to think about a concept that can be discussed you restated everything you said before. No one's mind is going to change if you keep using the same points that have already been countered.
I don't get what the traits above and obsessions to skills has to do with Disabilities. Anyone can have an obsession and anyone can be absent minded, over emotional or inappropriate. If we are talking outside the realm of Disabilities aren't some of those traits in game already or am I think TS3.
Maybe high time to cut your losses and focus on something more enjoyable 😉
Edit: and I say that because instead of taking time to think about a concept that can be discussed you restated everything you said before. No one's mind is going to change if you keep using the same points that have already been countered.
I don't get what the traits above and obsessions to skills has to do with Disabilities. Anyone can have an obsession and anyone can be absent minded, over emotional or inappropriate. If we are talking outside the realm of Disabilities aren't some of those traits in game already or am I think TS3.
Maybe high time to cut your losses and focus on something more enjoyable 😉
Edit: and I say that because instead of taking time to think about a concept that can be discussed you restated everything you said before. No one's mind is going to change if you keep using the same points that have already been countered.
That's TS 3.
All of those traits do not exist in Sims 4.
Doesn't answer my other points though. What do they have to do with Disabilities?
I don't get what the traits above and obsessions to skills has to do with Disabilities. Anyone can have an obsession and anyone can be absent minded, over emotional or inappropriate. If we are talking outside the realm of Disabilities aren't some of those traits in game already or am I think TS3.
Maybe high time to cut your losses and focus on something more enjoyable 😉
Edit: and I say that because instead of taking time to think about a concept that can be discussed you restated everything you said before. No one's mind is going to change if you keep using the same points that have already been countered.
That's TS 3.
All of those traits do not exist in Sims 4.
Doesn't answer my other points though. What do they have to do with Disabilities?
I posted the same thing because there's already a lot there.
As for the traits, they are not marked as disabilities, but they're all possible symptoms.
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Honestly, if you were correct, I might agree with you...
I believe there comes a point where one should start using one’s imagination and ability to think creatively.
Utilize the tools we’re offered in this game in creative ways and don’t expect every single feature that promotes inclusiveness to be literally handed to us.
If you’re a console player and you genuinely want a real life disability as part of your game, maybe it’s time to invest in a gaming laptop or pc so you can start using mods.
I think people are looking for a different simulation game when asking for this kind of gameplay.
The Sims is comedy. The lactose intolerance trait has potential to be comical. A simmer could force a sim with that trait to only drink milk and be entertained by the way they’re suffering. Fun in a game, maybe, but not in real life. We can kill off sims in 50 different ways. Fun in a game, perhaps, in real life not so much, to put it mildly. Can you imagine what the implementation of full on disabilities could do?
I believe people just want, want & want all these too serious to life elements stuffed in their game but fail to consider the consequences.
Why do you think Maxis sneaks in traits like lactose intolerant? That’s because part of the community has been begging for disabilities to be included and this is a way for the team to see how the community reacts! Let’s start off with something small, shall we?
It didn’t go down very well with some and folks wanted it to be removed because apparently it’s offensive.
Imagine this kinda stuff on a grander scale?
I’ll be on a different planet when that happens. Sixam perhaps. If I could ever live there that is. 🙄
I miss overemotional and inappropriate traits from Sims 3.
[CM - Edited to remove mention of adult mods]
Instead of a poll why not have a discussion on what should be included in it and draw up a concept of what it should look like. That might, very loosely might, help you change minds if you are so keen on this idea. It would be a lot better than a poll.
But I still stand by my opinions in the other thread. I am unconvinced this will ever come to pass.
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https://forums.thesims.com/en_US/discussion/992929/new-traits/p1
https://forums.thesims.com/en_US/discussion/991684/remove-the-lactose-intolerance-trait-from-cottage-living/p1
because people with it felt mocked and that it was being made light of.
I can only imagine what would happen with something more serious and more limiting. It would be absolute Armageddon. Not to mention as someone pointed out on the thread you made before that was identical to this one the cost of reanimating basically the entire game would be enormous.
Done. I do notice as well this is leading to a long conversation. https://forums.thesims.com/en_US/discussion/993001/sims-with-disabilities#latest
Also a word of advice? You should probably stop making these threads on this topic that are virtually identical or you’re going to get snagged for spamming.
Good luck this is an uphill battle, but also know when to cut your losses cuz this can and will get very messy and EA will start locking threads.
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Everything here would require making the doctor career and the hospital from Get To Work base game and so now to have potentially kicked over two massive hornets nests. The disabled community potentially feeling mocked and insulted and absolutely everyone else up in arms because a major paid for pack feature has been made base game. I mean did you see what happened with the anniversary hot tub? I thought devs were going to need police escorts to their cars that day. 😬
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Trying to remove last polls, TBH. I was trying to find the best way to address this.
You could’ve just changed the title of the first thread and/ or ask a moderator to update it for you.
If this is the way we’re gonna try and discus a topic I could just create 4 Polls for let’s say - (thinking real hard here) “bodyhair”.
I’m sure folks are already sick to the teeth of me constantly mentioning it.
Keep it concise and to the point or this will get awful messy.
But we're getting off-topic.
For example, I have seen a suggestion prior for randomized chances for terminal illness events. Beyond any sort of mental health thing, which I am sidelining as someone that lost her mother suddenly at a young age and could take an emotional hit depending on the time of year, it makes for a poor game mechanic, however realistic or dramatic. Such a mechanic would easily ruin a game with an unpredictable and uncontrollable game over screen, and I would consider it frustrating in general to have control taken away like that. Something like this, if it is a possibility, has to have a toggle even if other things do not.
This is just one example, but the devil is really in the details here. I cannot say what I know for sure I would really like without seeing what EA brings to the table first. Most of my experience has been with mental illness and it has not been pleasant. Actually, I know for a fact that even with disability representation I could never have a proper simself game it has been so dark at times. However, I also don't think my personal history should necessarily bind others on this kind of topic.
I don't know. I definitely think there is room for disability representation in the arts and entertainment. I also think it could possibly be in the Sims. I just don't think 4 will be able to do it this late in the game, both technically and in regards to the established reputation/community. This is a hard topic to handle well with any game, so my immediate expectation would be some level of failure and I do not think EA could tolerate that.
Maybe high time to cut your losses and focus on something more enjoyable 😉
Edit: and I say that because instead of taking time to think about a concept that can be discussed you restated everything you said before. No one's mind is going to change if you keep using the same points that have already been countered.
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That's TS 3.
All of those traits do not exist in Sims 4.
https://forums.thesims.com/en_US/discussion/comment/16798503#
https://forums.thesims.com/en_US/discussion/comment/17608263#Comment_17608263
https://forums.thesims.com/en_US/discussion/968414/5-years-and-still-no-disabled-sims/p1
https://forums.thesims.com/en_US/discussion/959464/more-illness-disabilities-birth-defects/p1
https://forums.thesims.com/en_US/discussion/947831/disability-feature-the-why-s-why-not-s-and-if-so-how/p1
https://forums.thesims.com/en_US/discussion/948274/disabilities-for-sims-4-tea-leaves-are-leaning-to-yes/p1
https://forums.thesims.com/en_US/discussion/967903/sims-4-introducing-disabled-sims/p1
https://forums.thesims.com/en_US/discussion/comment/17697431#Comment_17697431
https://forums.thesims.com/en_US/discussion/comment/16914694#
Discussions even date back to Sims 3 in 2009.
https://forums.thesims.com/en_US/discussion/64942/handicaped-sims/p1
https://forums.thesims.com/en_US/discussion/comment/9225616#Comment_9225616
I don't think it's going to happen this late in the game.
Doesn't answer my other points though. What do they have to do with Disabilities?
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I posted the same thing because there's already a lot there.
As for the traits, they are not marked as disabilities, but they're all possible symptoms.