@Akl500P and @AquaGamer1212 do you have MCCC? And if you haven't already, might you be able to comment on the bug report on EA HQ?
I didn’t have MCCC in when I first noticed it I’m pretty sure. I only added it back in because of people coming into my house without asking lol
Hmm I wonder if MCCC just exacerbates the issue?
I have no idea. I didn’t mind it because they were different ages and nothing got broken. I just changed his name and it was no longer confusing; besides the fact they look alike haha
I don't have any mods, and the two Crumplebottoms don't show up in my Household Management at all even though Agatha is friends with my Sim.
Yeah that's how it should be. There should be only one Agatha and one Agnes and both should be hidden households not viewable in manage worlds. Without MCCC, this is how it is for me. But when I put in MCCC, I can see that there is one Agatha and one Agnes in hidden households (not viewable in manage worlds) but then on top of that more Agathas and Agneses spawn which are visible in manage households.
They don't show up in manage households in mine and I use MCCC
@blueybluesky so it sounds like you're not getting this glitch even though you use MCCC. Have you visited the garden shop multiple times? That seems to trigger the glitch for me when I have MCCC installed but not if I don't. If you're not getting this glitch despite visiting the garden shop multiple times, it must be a specific setting in MCCC causing this in my game. Are you using story progression in MCCC?
@MaggieMarley I just had my sim purchase stuff from the garden shop four times and checked manage households, still not showing up in there. These are the only sub folders I have for MCCC.
I don't have any mods, and the two Crumplebottoms don't show up in my Household Management at all even though Agatha is friends with my Sim.
Yeah that's how it should be. There should be only one Agatha and one Agnes and both should be hidden households not viewable in manage worlds. Without MCCC, this is how it is for me. But when I put in MCCC, I can see that there is one Agatha and one Agnes in hidden households (not viewable in manage worlds) but then on top of that more Agathas and Agneses spawn which are visible in manage households.
For me the ones in the manage house holds are the “real” ones. The hidden ones are clones. My game uses the viewable ones as the role sims, not the hidden ones. They just walk around like normal sims. The ones I can “see” are the ones that will run the stalls, not the hidden ones. They’re just like normal sims with a label saying they have a stall.
I have one Agatha and one Agnes in manage households, and the game uses them. The “hidden” ones seem to be the problem. Edit; ALL role sims; mayor, delivery guy etc should be in your manage households. You should be able to see one of each. It spawns them ALL when you load a new game, then it will spawn both Agatha and Agnes when you go into live mode. Then they’ll be in manage households too. Then at some point you’ll get a “hidden” clone of each. But it’s only happening with the Crumplebottoms, nobody else. So far I only get one clone, once deleted no more have spawned.
It’s also doing this with foxes, I had like 4/5 foxes in my manage house holds. The game will use all of them, and then replace them if you delete one, so I named them all different names and the game used them for the wild fox lot challenge.
I have 0 mods, never used them so it’s nothing to do with MCCC, it’s the game. MCCC is just likely making it worse. I’ve tried multiple saves and I does the same thing everytime.
@luthienrising no, I do not report over there, sorry, but I’m not using multiple sites when I can just come here like I have always done 🤷🏼♂️ I’m happy to click a “me too” though, if there is a direct link to the thread.
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Anytime EA adds a new "unique" NPC, this can always happen until I find out that a new NPC has been added to specifically add to a bypass list. It is because of the population settings that players can set for setting specific age/gender specifications on NPC's being generated. If EA adds a new NPC that has specific age/genders and the player's settings change that, another NPC can be generated again, and again, and again, because they are getting changed from what EA is expecting. It's nothing new. It happens every time a new unique NPC is added with specific age/gender settings in the templates. No way, programmatically, for me to know when an NPC like that is added. I have to find out by someone telling me about it so I can add a bypass.
Since she was just added in Cottage Living, this is something I would not be surprised at all to hear a report about.[/quote
@MaggieMarley That would suggest why some players have this happen a lot more than others, maybe, but vanilla players are getting it too. (I haven't checked my own save yet but it's not vanilla. Fingers crossed!)
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@luthienrising yeah it does seem to happen in vanilla too but there is clearly something in MCCC (or at least my MCCC settings) which triggers it too which is good to be aware of!
@luthienrising yeah it does seem to happen in vanilla too but there is clearly something in MCCC (or at least my MCCC settings) which triggers it too which is good to be aware of!
Have you tried taking out your mcsettings.cfg file to see if it happens again. If it is something in your settings then it could be making the situation worse. I have mc command center and haven't had this happen but I don't change the population settings. It may or may not help but I thought I would throw this out there.
@Glimmer50 I considered doing that but I would then have to go through all my settings and redo them I will probably end up having to do this and start from scratch with my settings eventually if the issue isn't fixed in a future MCCC patch but I'd rather not lol
@Glimmer50 I considered doing that but I would then have to go through all my settings and redo them I will probably end up having to do this and start from scratch with my settings eventually if the issue isn't fixed in a future MCCC patch but I'd rather not lol
I mean to do it just as a test. Like load up a new save or a save you don't care about without your settings and see if it still happens.
Edit: It may not help if people are having this happen without mods. But I just thought it might be worth a try.
@Glimmer50 I considered doing that but I would then have to go through all my settings and redo them I will probably end up having to do this and start from scratch with my settings eventually if the issue isn't fixed in a future MCCC patch but I'd rather not lol
I mean to do it just as a test. Like load up a new save or a save you don't care about without your settings and see if it still happens.
Edit: It may not help if people are having this happen without mods. But I just thought it might be worth a try.
@Glimmer50 I wondered about doing that but worried that having MCCC installed with the default settings might mess up some of my saves that depend on specific custom settings (flagged sims etc) even if I don't actually open those other saves. Not sure if that's a silly worry though. Maybe it would be fine so long as I started a brand new save but I'm not 100% sure. Maybe someone here can clarify.
That's scary! I have MCCC but I don't have this issue so far.
@DiogeneFer seems like it must be triggered by some specific setting which I have for MCCC as it's happening every time I use MCCC but not at all for me when I don't (and I have no other mods installed currently). Simce not everyone with MCCC is having this issue it must be a certain setting which not everyone has turned on.
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I didn’t have MCCC in when I first noticed it I’m pretty sure. I only added it back in because of people coming into my house without asking lol
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Hmm I wonder if MCCC just exacerbates the issue?
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I have no idea. I didn’t mind it because they were different ages and nothing got broken. I just changed his name and it was no longer confusing; besides the fact they look alike haha
Yeah that's how it should be. There should be only one Agatha and one Agnes and both should be hidden households not viewable in manage worlds. Without MCCC, this is how it is for me. But when I put in MCCC, I can see that there is one Agatha and one Agnes in hidden households (not viewable in manage worlds) but then on top of that more Agathas and Agneses spawn which are visible in manage households.
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@blueybluesky so it sounds like you're not getting this glitch even though you use MCCC. Have you visited the garden shop multiple times? That seems to trigger the glitch for me when I have MCCC installed but not if I don't. If you're not getting this glitch despite visiting the garden shop multiple times, it must be a specific setting in MCCC causing this in my game. Are you using story progression in MCCC?
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For me the ones in the manage house holds are the “real” ones. The hidden ones are clones. My game uses the viewable ones as the role sims, not the hidden ones. They just walk around like normal sims. The ones I can “see” are the ones that will run the stalls, not the hidden ones. They’re just like normal sims with a label saying they have a stall.
I have one Agatha and one Agnes in manage households, and the game uses them. The “hidden” ones seem to be the problem. Edit; ALL role sims; mayor, delivery guy etc should be in your manage households. You should be able to see one of each. It spawns them ALL when you load a new game, then it will spawn both Agatha and Agnes when you go into live mode. Then they’ll be in manage households too. Then at some point you’ll get a “hidden” clone of each. But it’s only happening with the Crumplebottoms, nobody else. So far I only get one clone, once deleted no more have spawned.
It’s also doing this with foxes, I had like 4/5 foxes in my manage house holds. The game will use all of them, and then replace them if you delete one, so I named them all different names and the game used them for the wild fox lot challenge.
I have 0 mods, never used them so it’s nothing to do with MCCC, it’s the game. MCCC is just likely making it worse. I’ve tried multiple saves and I does the same thing everytime.
@luthienrising no, I do not report over there, sorry, but I’m not using multiple sites when I can just come here like I have always done 🤷🏼♂️ I’m happy to click a “me too” though, if there is a direct link to the thread.
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It happened to James Turner as well. (26:45).
https://youtu.be/Dr0rveD8ABA?t=1602
As far as I know, he doesn't play with mods.
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Have you tried taking out your mcsettings.cfg file to see if it happens again. If it is something in your settings then it could be making the situation worse. I have mc command center and haven't had this happen but I don't change the population settings. It may or may not help but I thought I would throw this out there.
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I mean to do it just as a test. Like load up a new save or a save you don't care about without your settings and see if it still happens.
Edit: It may not help if people are having this happen without mods. But I just thought it might be worth a try.
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@Glimmer50 I wondered about doing that but worried that having MCCC installed with the default settings might mess up some of my saves that depend on specific custom settings (flagged sims etc) even if I don't actually open those other saves. Not sure if that's a silly worry though. Maybe it would be fine so long as I started a brand new save but I'm not 100% sure. Maybe someone here can clarify.
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@DiogeneFer seems like it must be triggered by some specific setting which I have for MCCC as it's happening every time I use MCCC but not at all for me when I don't (and I have no other mods installed currently). Simce not everyone with MCCC is having this issue it must be a certain setting which not everyone has turned on.
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Breed Out The Weird *COMPLETE*