What are your thoughts on the complaining?

afternoonbaboon · October 2020

It might just be me, but is anyone just sick of the complaining that comes out of this forum? Seriously, are you guys actually shocked when we get minuscule gameplay features? I have my own problems with the game (Selling out to Disney? Why!?) but, I'm honestly just grateful we have decent parts of the game. The six different complaint threads for every released pack to date (as well as the base-game) popping up in my feed is exhausting. Maxis is probably trying to please us as best they can, and it's most likely really discouraging to have such vocal negativity around projects they've worked on. Where is the positivity on the main level of the forum?

Feel free to add your piece, or get into a light hearted debate with me on the issue of complaining.

EDIT: Oof. This is difficult to look at. I don't want to bruise my reputation on this forum and don't want others to get into meaningless fights about something that I posted. This was never the intention. All I wanted to do was share my own opinion, and hear others' opinions as well. It seems as though this has become Facebook in a way. A user ((I forget who) said that I should add a question to hopefully make this less of a vent, and more of a public discussion. I think that's a good idea.

So: What do you think of the complaining, negativity, and personal threats to Maxis on the forum?

amp107 · October 2020

I concur. I tend to find something I enjoy out of all DLC released. With the newest EP especially it seems like Maxis is trying to make everyone happy. I've seen countless wishlists that included a snowy world, a true Asian inspired world, and snow sports and Maxis has found a way to give us all three at once. I got super excited when I saw the trailer and came to the forums to geek out with some fellow simmers only to see the recent discussions page is bombarded with complaints only threads

I guess that's just the nature of social media and the internet these days.

Calico45 · October 2020

I dare say I have generally been decently positive over 4's lifespan, though I of course have my qualms as well. If nothing else, not overly judgemental. However, how much others complain does not really matter to me. Kind of like positivity, your opinion is your business and I am more than happy to discuss but it by no means offends me.

If I do not want to read a complaint thread, I do not (typically I do not even when I completely ignore a pack like SW). Same with positivity threads. By the way, I do sort of blame this split for the titular problem. If positivity has to have a dedicated space, so does negativity. Personally, I miss when it was all just a discussion thread. Then you could say both.

DaWaterRat · October 2020

The complaint threads do get me down, but what gets me down more are the number of people in them that don't understand the difference between a plum gripe and a contstructive critique. And yes, in some cases it's just how the criticisim is presented (that is, what they're complaining about may be a valid critique, but the way they're doing it comes across more as ragging on the game for the sake of it.)

There have been points (including the recent JtB blow up) when I was ready to walk away from the community and the game all together because of the negativity. I'm glad I stuck it out, but it was close for a while.

Nate_Whiplash1 · October 2020

Am I allowed to complain about others complaing about the complaints thread? Because that's a lot of complaining

logion · October 2020

I don't mind it. The people that complain here also seem to also care a lot about the sims. I like to read what people think about the game.

Schmoloop · October 2020

I actually haven't seen many complaint threads, but from what I've seen, they don't always complain about small features. I don't think there would be any complaining threads (or atleast not as many) if there were no positive threads. There should be a thread to add your thoughts, both bad and good and not only positive.

TamakiSakura84 · October 2020

amp107 wrote: »

I concur. I tend to find something I enjoy out of all DLC released. With the newest EP especially it seems like Maxis is trying to make everyone happy. I've seen countless wishlists that included a snowy world, a true Asian inspired world, and snow sports and Maxis has found a way to give us all three at once.

What's driving me crazy is the people complaining the pack has to be set in a European country, because skiing. As if Japan isn't mostly mountain. I'm also glad any time TS4 steps out of the white people zone.

Monaveil · October 2020

I'm pretty sick of it too. It gets old after awhile. It's always the same people doing the bulk of the complaining so I either skip their posts or put them on ignore. There are a few people that have posted some new or interesting complaints so I can't really say that no one should ever post a complaint.

bella_goth · October 2020

i mean it's true that there have been a lot of complaining threads. but i mean what else is people going to do when their feedback has been ignored for +6 years? i don't blame anyone. the pack didn't look as bad, in fact i love the japanese theme of it but due to the announcement of a personality system on the game, it caused some polemic, because devs promised smarter sims since ts4 release and the idea of getting the changes behind a paywall isn't something people is glad to hear.
i admit i complain a lot about ts4, it doesn't mean i hate the game, in fact i like some of its features like cas, build and some of its premades became my favorite. but i also give negative feedback because it has a lot of bugs, the AI is flawed, traits make no difference since sims only act for their emotions, devs keep separating every tiny feature into packs, marketing has ruined the sims image, etc.

i love the franchise as a whole and previous sims games set expectations very high but in ts4, devs keep lowering them. they are always making excuses, victimizing themselves, mocking the players or ignoring their feedback. i think the complaints are justified. this franchise is a classic and doesn't deserve any less. i too feel bad when i get into a video of paralives and read comments like "omg sims could never" or "it's over for the sims".

so i think all the criticism is well deserved. besides, if it wasn't for the criticism we wouldn't even get the skintones update some people is so grateful for. we wouldn't have many things you guys can play with now. if devs didn't took the negative feedback so personally and just accepted it like other developers do, perhaps you guys would understand the reason for our negative feedback is because we want the game to be the best version of itself, our comments literally affects you on nothing guys, if anything you welcome for the changes we've gotten.

i am aware that there are sims haters out there but the main reason they exist is because ts4 has disappointed way too many times. i'm not excusing them but you guys shouldn't focus about them or put every negative feedback in the same place. i do also agree that some complaints are a bit...ridiculous. but people has all their rights to post what they want as long as it follows the forum rules.
just ignore them, like i ignore diehard sims 4 fans that will insult me on comments just because i said the game AI is bad lol.

simgirl1010 · October 2020

Please feel free to join us in the positive thoughts thread if you'd like to discuss a feature you're particularly excited about or looking forward to.

I'll be updating the thread with new information as it is released.

https://forums.thesims.com/en_US/discussion/982599/snowy-escape-positive-thoughts-thread/p1

Sharonia · October 2020

Not really. A forum is a place to discuss and options differ from one person to another. I think people should be free to post whatever they want as long as it’s respectful and not against the rules. If people are unhappy with something they should be allowed to express their opinions just as much as a player that is happy can also do the same.

The forums would be a fairly boring place if we were all sunshine and roses and shared the exact same opinions.

foxybilly · October 2020

Sharonia wrote: »

Not really. A forum is a place to discuss and options differ from one person to another. I think people should be free to post whatever they want as long as it’s respectful and not against the rules. If people are unhappy with something they should be allowed to express their opinions just as much as a player that is happy can also do the same.

The forums would be a fairly boring place if we were all sunshine and roses and shared the exact same opinions.

yes yes yes

izecson · October 2020

Sharonia wrote: »

Not really. A forum is a place to discuss and options differ from one person to another. I think people should be free to post whatever they want as long as it’s respectful and not against the rules. If people are unhappy with something they should be allowed to express their opinions just as much as a player that is happy can also do the same.

The forums would be a fairly boring place if we were all sunshine and roses and shared the exact same opinions.

Your post should be stickied

Hermitgirl · October 2020

It doesn't bother me as much as it use too... but then again it really is better for the most part than before. It's not always, but sometimes constructive now at least. I just avoid those threads for the most part now because I don't usually agree and nothing they are going to say or I am going to say is going to make a dent in each others viewpoint with the voices I take issue with.. and that's usually when people are rude with their opinion even if sometimes constructive. I'd rather have that attitude of gratitude going on as much as possible, and that slips sometimes. Being exposed too much to complaints can just put me in a bad space so it's best not to go there. Since I enjoy my game I don't have to go there.

Pamtastic72 · October 2020

There is a certain group of simmers whom you never see on the S4 forums or Twitter until there is a dlc release. Then they flood on and do nothing but complain and spread negativity. They make complaint threads and chastise anyone who defends S4, but happily enter obviously positive threads to drag them down. It’s incredibly obvious too that no matter what the devs do it will never ever be enough. Even if a feature is added that they say they’re wanting they complain “it’s watered down”, “it’s not meaningful enough”, it’s not deep enough”. Some have said many times they haven’t played for years, which means they just lay in wait for an excuse to crawl out of the woodwork and rain on the parade of those who do enjoy this iteration. The thing I really can’t abide though, is when they attack the gurus/devs on a personal level calling them lazy, or money grabbers etc, and other simmers by saying that by enjoying this game and purchasing dlc they’re sellouts or destroying the franchise.

Like seriously, it just so old and tired.

dearie_blossom · October 2020

Paying customers can complain as much as they want.

ChampandGirlie · October 2020

I like to form my own opinions. While I share some criticisms with others, I do not need or want all of the things that are complained about. Sometimes that feels like being an outlier when all you read are people who are complaining.

A lot of us weren't interested in Journey to Batuu. I'm not that into sci-fi. There were a lot of people complaining about the GTW aliens though, who were saying that they wanted to go to their own alien world, so there it was for them. While I agree with some complaints and I acknowledge ones that don't reflect my needs, it seems like some people will complain no matter what. I agree that the bugs, especially newer ones that came with Eco Living really need to be addressed.

The new Snowy Escape pack is actually getting a lot of positive commentary from players I see on other social media. I'm not anti-all complaining but it's not representative of the whole community and no, it's not always constructive. I acknowledge that not everything is made exactly for me. Actually, ROM wasn't for me and parts of other packs really don't interest me. If something does though, I don't necessarily want to read a bunch of other people's comments just tearing it down. I could just ignore those but if everyone who likes a given pack or who has a different opinion did that, we would be silenced and there could be a totally distorted view.

To be frank, if some of the things that those complaining want were forced on all players, I probably wouldn't be happy.

Simmingal · October 2020

I do feel like it would be better if people didn't make so many separate threads about same subject and just tried to check for the threads to comment before making new one

by making separate threads it drowns out other subjects and becomes annoying
especially in case of complaints since they often just make you : ( unless you are feeling like throwing big rage storm over something for anger management

randy2355 · October 2020

TamakiSakura84 wrote: »

amp107 wrote: »

I concur. I tend to find something I enjoy out of all DLC released. With the newest EP especially it seems like Maxis is trying to make everyone happy. I've seen countless wishlists that included a snowy world, a true Asian inspired world, and snow sports and Maxis has found a way to give us all three at once.

What's driving me crazy is the people complaining the pack has to be set in a European country, because skiing. As if Japan isn't mostly mountain. I'm also glad any time TS4 steps out of the white people zone.

I agree with both of you! LOL Japan a lot of mountains, and Sopporo is one of the snowiest cities in the world. The pack makes perfect sense to me. The complaining about it not being a European themed pack because of the skiing just gets to me. Besides, I think I read somewhere that downhill skiing was invented in Wisconsin or something...I could be wrong... but my point is that people all around the word ski.

As for the OP absolutely you are right, so much negativity, so annoying. The worst is when you see someone post how much they are looking forward to a pack, and the negative posters jump all over that person. That bugs me the most, that part has seemed to get a little better over time, thank goodness.

Babykittyjade · October 2020

Misery loves company. I've not been as active in the forums or twitter for this very reason. I came back for info on this new exciting pack and to support the devs.
I'm not even going to complain about the complainers because everyone is free to say and do as they please in life. However, I feel the mental and emotional pull of negativity and it gets me down. People may take energies lightly but we humans are very connected to energies and with everything going on in 2020, I need to keep my energy lifted.
So in general I surround myself with positive and beautiful things in life, do what I enjoy and have fun with the sims 🙂 I do however wish they would contain them into one thread but o well. ☠

SimTrippy · October 2020

Well this is literally the only place where people can discuss TS - and I think complaint threads about complaining ultimately do nothing but amplify the negativity. There are times where I'm 100% psyched about stuff that's coming, and then I stick mostly to cat's and simgirl's threads because I know those are positive. But I stay away from the traditional (by now "official") complaining thread, and only read negative feedback threads when I'm interested in the topic being discussed. The majority of threads on this forum are still by and large positive. Focusing negatively on people you perceive as being too negative seems to me to be a pretty counter-productive strategy.

Evilyn_1007 · October 2020

I actually prefer the complaining threads to having just nonstop complaints derail other threads. Not that I am against criticism if it's on topic.

calaprfy · October 2020

Maxis - our next EP is...Eco Lifestyle.
Simmers - we did not ask for this! ! The last EP screwed up our game! We hate you all!
Maxis - but it has ladders and firefighters.
Simmers - yay, best pack ever! Take our money!
Maxis - our next EP is...Snowy Escape.
Simmers - we did not ask for this! The last EP screwed up our game! We hate you all!
Maxis - but it has snowboarding and personality development.
Simmers - yay, best pack ever! Take our money!

And on and on and on...

So_Money · October 2020

I’m not a fan of these types of threads because they target forum members and can get personal as a result. The complaint threads target EA and that’s basically harmless.

MidnightAura · October 2020

Why do complaints bother you? It’s not like you made the game so are personally insulted by the (quite often) fair critique. Don’t take it personal. Like what you like. Let’s others like or dislike what they like. As long as people are respectful they shouldn’t be silenced because some people don’t like anything that isn’t positive.

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