And while I’m here, why was a menorah added to the game but they can’t call Christmas, “Christmas”? It has to be called “Winterfest”?
It’s almost like the left hand doesn’t know what the right hand is doing.
You can just call it Christmas though. Literally change the text.
Irrelevant.
What I’m saying is the game chose not to use the word “Christmas” due to religious connotation but they’re perfectly fine with included a menorah which has religious connotation.
Again, the left hand doesn’t know what the right hand is doing.
There are Christmas trees and Father Winter who brings you presents. You can sing carols. I built a church and made a church club. They give speeches and sing and play the organ.
You clearly do not understand what I am saying and rather than continue to fruitlessly go back and forth with you on the matter, I would ask that you no longer quote me in this thread.
Thank you.
Oh I understand what you are trying to say and I disagree with the point you are trying to make.
So being hopeful that the CAS items are disabled for random is being not accepting to you? This is an honest question. The new content has no place or purpose in my game. I hope I am not forced to find a mod to make sure the items are not spawned on random townies when they generate. I have to do that for other CAS items, so it would just be another mod added to the list.
So being hopeful that the CAS items are disabled for random is being not accepting to you? This is an honest question. The new content has no place or purpose in my game. I hope I am not forced to find a mod to make sure the items are not spawned on random townies when they generate. I have to do that for other CAS items, so it would just be another mod added to the list.
you, dearie are on the wrong thread.. the problem on this thread is hijab=relgious
So being hopeful that the CAS items are disabled for random is being not accepting to you? This is an honest question. The new content has no place or purpose in my game. I hope I am not forced to find a mod to make sure the items are not spawned on random townies when they generate. I have to do that for other CAS items, so it would just be another mod added to the list.
You can not possible believe the real issue here is if the items will be disabled for random or not lol
So being hopeful that the CAS items are disabled for random is being not accepting to you? This is an honest question. The new content has no place or purpose in my game. I hope I am not forced to find a mod to make sure the items are not spawned on random townies when they generate. I have to do that for other CAS items, so it would just be another mod added to the list.
I highly doubt that was the specific point to which they were responding, but as someone who fully welcomes the additions, I also would prefer that they are disabled for random.
Honestly, I can understand people not wanting this content in their game for multiple reasons, but I just think it's so stupid to use the argument that there's no Christian content in The Sims, so there shouldn't be others as well. This is clearly about including the minorities and making them feel represented. Since when are Christians minorities? Christian "culture" is everywhere. Including The Sims. The way marriage is represented, the way death is represented, the very fact that there's thanksgiving in The Sims. The only possible way for EA to represent Christians more would be to add crosses and nuns in the game.
Thanksgiving is an American holiday, not part of any specific faith. Personally, I would love a nativity display added to the holiday pack, one that DOES NOT function like a dollhouse (the modded one I found). Marriage in-game is not representation of any faith either as there is no one performing the ceremony. So your examples are debunked. All you mentioned are not based on any faith.
Uhm, do you even know the origin of Thanksgiving? Maybe google it? Also, everyone knows the Catholics shaped how we deal with many things in most parts of America and Europe, including marriage and death. That's why we don't feel unrepresented and that's why EA mostly includes content to represent Asian, Middle-eastern or African culture. Because they can't play anything like their lives at all if not for these tiny content drops.
I see the turbans introduced in city living also representative of a religion / cultural group - Sikhs. We have introduced inclusivity items before so why not now?
As people have mentioned there are menorah and red envelopes and Christmas trees etc
I will continue to choose what my sims wear and use and if there are items added to the game which I don't get much use from, well, it is not going to change my game any. I am hsppy for the people that will use it and feel included.
I would like to have it but at the same time it upsets me that they don't introduce a kippah for my Jewish sims as well. I don't think it's fair to favor one religion over the others.
So being hopeful that the CAS items are disabled for random is being not accepting to you? This is an honest question. The new content has no place or purpose in my game. I hope I am not forced to find a mod to make sure the items are not spawned on random townies when they generate. I have to do that for other CAS items, so it would just be another mod added to the list.
Yup, that is a problem these days. The meaning of being accepting to some people is a one way road. I see it all the time. People should respect each other's views, but a lot of the time respect is only given when you respect their views only, yet the other person's views don't matter or deserve respect.
I really don't want to get into a big back and forth over this whole topic but I had to just point out one small detail. A Christmas tree is not a religious symbol. Yes, it is used for a Christian holiday but it is more secular. None of the stuff in the game that represents Christmas is religious (which, personally I'm fine with). Religious symbols for Christianity are: a Nativity scene, a crucifix, a simple cross, ect. Christmas trees, Santa Claus, reindeer, ect. are not religious Christian symbols. Much like the Easter Bunny is not a religious Christian symbol, nor are coloring/dyeing Easter eggs. Many Christians do partake in the secular things as well as the religious meaning of the holiday.
That's all I have to say on the situation. Have a great day, everyone!
I see the turbans introduced in city living also representative of a religion / cultural group - Sikhs. We have introduced inclusivity items before so why not now?
As people have mentioned there are menorah and red envelopes and Christmas trees etc
I will continue to choose what my sims wear and use and if there are items added to the game which I don't get much use from, well, it is not going to change my game any. I am hsppy for the people that will use it and feel included.
Because people were triggered by *muslims*. Simple as that. We have had many other religions depicted in the game, whether it was entitled as so or not, but people dind't seem to care until now...
So being hopeful that the CAS items are disabled for random is being not accepting to you? This is an honest question. The new content has no place or purpose in my game. I hope I am not forced to find a mod to make sure the items are not spawned on random townies when they generate. I have to do that for other CAS items, so it would just be another mod added to the list.
you, dearie are on the wrong thread.. the problem on this thread is hijab=relgious
I already see it as religious. That is say I say it no place in my game. I do not support that religion.
I see the turbans introduced in city living also representative of a religion / cultural group - Sikhs. We have introduced inclusivity items before so why not now?
As people have mentioned there are menorah and red envelopes and Christmas trees etc
I will continue to choose what my sims wear and use and if there are items added to the game which I don't get much use from, well, it is not going to change my game any. I am hsppy for the people that will use it and feel included.
with the exception of Christian aspects of it.. every other part of Christmas was borrowed from Pagan tradition- the week/day was Saturnalia festival Saturnalia was an ancient Roman festival in honour of the god Saturn, held on 17 December of the Julian calendar and later expanded with festivities through to 23 December. Christmas tree is one of the most modern traditions since Prince Albert brought it with him from Germany but people had been decorating with "green" stuff since Ancient Egypt. In real life the cookies and milk kids leave out for Santa is from Norse Mythology
Why do people of one marginalized group want to beat down another group for being represented? Be happy for them and continue advocating for your own group's representation. It is not a Muslim player's fault if there is not enough Jewish representation or vice versa. None of us will move forward if we're too busy knocking others back down the mountain.
I really don't want to get into a big back and forth over this whole topic but I had to just point out one small detail. A Christmas tree is not a religious symbol. Yes, it is used for a Christian holiday but it is more secular. None of the stuff in the game that represents Christmas is religious (which, personally I'm fine with). Religious symbols for Christianity are: a Nativity scene, a crucifix, a simple cross, ect. Christmas trees, Santa Claus, reindeer, ect. are not religious Christian symbols. Much like the Easter Bunny is not a religious Christian symbol, nor are coloring/dyeing Easter eggs. Many Christians do partake in the secular things as well as the religious meaning of the holiday.
That's all I have to say on the situation. Have a great day, everyone!
You are of course right, but as far as I see the "muslim" patch also doesn't include half moons, green flags, minarets, prayer carpets or clerical dresses but only everyday clothing. So no injustice here.
I really don't want to get into a big back and forth over this whole topic but I had to just point out one small detail. A Christmas tree is not a religious symbol. Yes, it is used for a Christian holiday but it is more secular. None of the stuff in the game that represents Christmas is religious (which, personally I'm fine with). Religious symbols for Christianity are: a Nativity scene, a crucifix, a simple cross, ect. Christmas trees, Santa Claus, reindeer, ect. are not religious Christian symbols. Much like the Easter Bunny is not a religious Christian symbol, nor are coloring/dyeing Easter eggs. Many Christians do partake in the secular things as well as the religious meaning of the holiday.
That's all I have to say on the situation. Have a great day, everyone!
You are of course right, but as far as I see the "muslim" patch also doesn't include half moons, green flags, minarets, prayer carpets or clerical dresses but only everyday clothing. So no injustice here.
@alanmichael1 did you see the Mosque-like windows and doorways? I seen one mosque that was in Turkey
So being hopeful that the CAS items are disabled for random is being not accepting to you? This is an honest question. The new content has no place or purpose in my game. I hope I am not forced to find a mod to make sure the items are not spawned on random townies when they generate. I have to do that for other CAS items, so it would just be another mod added to the list.
you, dearie are on the wrong thread.. the problem on this thread is hijab=relgious
I already see it as religious. That is say I say it no place in my game. I do not support that religion.
Thanks for the honesty, at least. Wish the others would stop with the "I don't want religion in my game" facade and admit the real issue...
So being hopeful that the CAS items are disabled for random is being not accepting to you? This is an honest question. The new content has no place or purpose in my game. I hope I am not forced to find a mod to make sure the items are not spawned on random townies when they generate. I have to do that for other CAS items, so it would just be another mod added to the list.
you, dearie are on the wrong thread.. the problem on this thread is hijab=relgious
I already see it as religious. That is say I say it no place in my game. I do not support that religion.
Thanks for the honesty, at least. Wish the others would stop with the "I don't want religion in my game" facade and admit the real issue...
considering the fact-wether or not we are facing it- every day in our lives are surrounded by something religious from days of the week, to months of the year with some exceptions.
To all y'all worried about the "addition" of "religion" in the sims, were yall this upset when they added the Chinese new year update (religious based holiday)?
I really don't want to get into a big back and forth over this whole topic but I had to just point out one small detail. A Christmas tree is not a religious symbol. Yes, it is used for a Christian holiday but it is more secular. None of the stuff in the game that represents Christmas is religious (which, personally I'm fine with). Religious symbols for Christianity are: a Nativity scene, a crucifix, a simple cross, ect. Christmas trees, Santa Claus, reindeer, ect. are not religious Christian symbols. Much like the Easter Bunny is not a religious Christian symbol, nor are coloring/dyeing Easter eggs. Many Christians do partake in the secular things as well as the religious meaning of the holiday.
That's all I have to say on the situation. Have a great day, everyone!
You are of course right, but as far as I see the "muslim" patch also doesn't include half moons, green flags, minarets, prayer carpets or clerical dresses but only everyday clothing. So no injustice here.
@alanmichael1 did you see the Mosque-like windows and doorways? I seen one mosque that was in Turkey
The windows are simply oriental and are VERY welcome. I would so love to have an oriental world in TS4 like Egypt in TS3.
So being hopeful that the CAS items are disabled for random is being not accepting to you? This is an honest question. The new content has no place or purpose in my game. I hope I am not forced to find a mod to make sure the items are not spawned on random townies when they generate. I have to do that for other CAS items, so it would just be another mod added to the list.
That's the problem. We can't even ask questions or ask for other items without being attack or accused of things. They could of easily avoided this controversy as I said by including more traditional clothing that represents all of the culture and country without making others feel excluded. We can't even discuss certain topics on here.
Wedding are just two sims exchanging vows, nothing more. There is no actual Christmas and even so, it is more secular and seen more as a way to spend time with family and friends. There is no manger or anything like that. It is only fair for people to ask for these items as well.
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yeah that's the problem.
Oh I understand what you are trying to say and I disagree with the point you are trying to make.
But I'll stop quoting you.
So being hopeful that the CAS items are disabled for random is being not accepting to you? This is an honest question. The new content has no place or purpose in my game. I hope I am not forced to find a mod to make sure the items are not spawned on random townies when they generate. I have to do that for other CAS items, so it would just be another mod added to the list.
you, dearie are on the wrong thread.. the problem on this thread is hijab=relgious
You can not possible believe the real issue here is if the items will be disabled for random or not lol
Forum Discussion • Read it HERE
I highly doubt that was the specific point to which they were responding, but as someone who fully welcomes the additions, I also would prefer that they are disabled for random.
Uhm, do you even know the origin of Thanksgiving? Maybe google it? Also, everyone knows the Catholics shaped how we deal with many things in most parts of America and Europe, including marriage and death. That's why we don't feel unrepresented and that's why EA mostly includes content to represent Asian, Middle-eastern or African culture. Because they can't play anything like their lives at all if not for these tiny content drops.
As people have mentioned there are menorah and red envelopes and Christmas trees etc
I will continue to choose what my sims wear and use and if there are items added to the game which I don't get much use from, well, it is not going to change my game any. I am hsppy for the people that will use it and feel included.
Yup, that is a problem these days. The meaning of being accepting to some people is a one way road. I see it all the time. People should respect each other's views, but a lot of the time respect is only given when you respect their views only, yet the other person's views don't matter or deserve respect.
That's all I have to say on the situation. Have a great day, everyone!
Because people were triggered by *muslims*. Simple as that. We have had many other religions depicted in the game, whether it was entitled as so or not, but people dind't seem to care until now...
Forum Discussion • Read it HERE
I already see it as religious. That is say I say it no place in my game. I do not support that religion.
with the exception of Christian aspects of it.. every other part of Christmas was borrowed from Pagan tradition- the week/day was Saturnalia festival Saturnalia was an ancient Roman festival in honour of the god Saturn, held on 17 December of the Julian calendar and later expanded with festivities through to 23 December. Christmas tree is one of the most modern traditions since Prince Albert brought it with him from Germany but people had been decorating with "green" stuff since Ancient Egypt. In real life the cookies and milk kids leave out for Santa is from Norse Mythology
You are of course right, but as far as I see the "muslim" patch also doesn't include half moons, green flags, minarets, prayer carpets or clerical dresses but only everyday clothing. So no injustice here.
@alanmichael1 did you see the Mosque-like windows and doorways? I seen one mosque that was in Turkey
Thanks for the honesty, at least. Wish the others would stop with the "I don't want religion in my game" facade and admit the real issue...
Forum Discussion • Read it HERE
considering the fact-wether or not we are facing it- every day in our lives are surrounded by something religious from days of the week, to months of the year with some exceptions.
The windows are simply oriental and are VERY welcome. I would so love to have an oriental world in TS4 like Egypt in TS3.
That's the problem. We can't even ask questions or ask for other items without being attack or accused of things. They could of easily avoided this controversy as I said by including more traditional clothing that represents all of the culture and country without making others feel excluded. We can't even discuss certain topics on here.
Wedding are just two sims exchanging vows, nothing more. There is no actual Christmas and even so, it is more secular and seen more as a way to spend time with family and friends. There is no manger or anything like that. It is only fair for people to ask for these items as well.
Lets make this a reality!