Okay, just a follow up on those thinking that SimGuruGrant cares enough beg:
As you can see... NOT
2 words: damage control
LOL! You guys crack me up!
This guy obviously lost the simguru popularity contest a long time ago since: "things change"--although you have to love that quote when their sales records changed right along with those "things".
Anyway, can anyone wonder why this guy lost his password here
Okay, just a follow up on those thinking that SimGuruGrant cares enough beg:
As you can see... NOT
2 words: damage control
LOL! You guys crack me up!
This guy obviously lost the simguru popularity contest a long time ago since: "things change"--although you have to love that quote when their sales records changed right along with those "things".
Anyway, can anyone wonder why this guy lost his password here
Well, apparently his account was setup with, and I quote from himself; "Some weird admin stuff." and it isn't so easy to recover.
Well, GG devs, if you can't do something as simple as recovering your account on a forum board via its administration panel, I wonder what goodies we will see in the future for TS4. That is assuming he's even telling the truth.
Okay, just a follow up on those thinking that SimGuruGrant cares enough beg:
As you can see... NOT
2 words: damage control
LOL! You guys crack me up!
This guy obviously lost the simguru popularity contest a long time ago since: "things change"--although you have to love that quote when their sales records changed right along with those "things".
Anyway, can anyone wonder why this guy lost his password here
"lost" he just doesn't want to be in a place where we can write books worthy of what's wrong with the game lol
Okay, just a follow up on those thinking that SimGuruGrant cares enough beg:
As you can see... NOT
2 words: damage control
LOL! You guys crack me up!
This guy obviously lost the simguru popularity contest a long time ago since: "things change"--although you have to love that quote when their sales records changed right along with those "things".
Anyway, can anyone wonder why this guy lost his password here
Haha! Actually there are others higher on my list of gurus I am unhappy with.
Well he is a self proclaimed idiot....says so all the time....so that might have something to do with it. Oh he did tweet he's trying to figure that out, like he would ever use it. I asked if that meant we could look forward to seeing him sometime in the future....*crickets* yup that's what I thought
It's a fun game, but it really is a step backwards from 3..
I feel creativity is limited, from no Create a style, to limited amount of lots, no create a world.. It just really sucks in that way, cause you just feel you are in the limits of the game's surroundings..it looks pretty, but you can do virtually nothing in it!
To correct what they did wrong would be easy..put back in the game what the fans have always loved..and make it even better!
I hate to break it to you but I had faith that 'player first' was a real thing-that once he was made aware he would do something about this. But I think it's safe to say he knows now and where has it got us? Absolutely nowhere.
I expected better of EA under Andrew Wilson for those reasons but so far I see the absolute opposite actions by his company to what he says. And you know that saying? Actions speak louder than words...
I cannot wrap my head around the situation at all. They are looking a gift horse in the mouth in terms of our loyalty.
Yeah the culling is an unbelievably bad design choice.
What, you couldn't regulate the population by cutting off the random importation of sims beyond a certain point?
You couldn't just give us a hard number for a max limit of sims to work with?
The way it is now isn't even slightly reasonable and they don't even disclose how it works at the onset of the game.
All they really need to do is add a button to the UI, along with other options please like aging, etc please - that says Manage Population, you then select household you wish to lock and keep. If that is too hard, then it really is stuffed.
TBH I never needed sims randomly imported into my neighborhoods either.
I think most of us are capable enough to create or import our own townies.
Indeed, that is true for me as well.
Then add a button that says Generate Random Population for those that don't want to create everything themselves. The code to do this function is obviously there.
I don't know why they keep going so far away from this when it's obviously an option people always want. It should work like TS2's townie tree/gun worked with NPCs/Townies - if you want your own, create your own - if you want us to create it for you, click the button and we'll create it for you.
My secret dream is that they would do this with entire neighborhoods so we can set stuff up the way we want to set it up.
This is my dream, too. Just let me create the townies and give them jobs that actually account for something in the neighborhood. --And I've been playing Medieval lately and am still enamored at the way the whole town works together. Every sim has a job or position in the town and they fulfill it. I wish they would throw those kinds of townies into the game. Just for the background...to actually do something and perform. This wandering sim with nowhere to go and nothing to do is a bit over the top and unnecessary.
Does anyone else remember hearing a guru talk about how we can create a pool of townies that our game would draw from? I took that to mean that our game would pick our sims from our libraries instead of create randomly generated, not in world, culled on a regular basis sims. I had visions of setting the townie pool for each world we got so they would all fit with the style.
Did I dream that? Was that something that changed?
Does anyone else remember hearing a guru talk about how we can create a pool of townies that our game would draw from? I took that to mean that our game would pick our sims from our libraries instead of create randomly generated, not in world, culled on a regular basis sims. I had visions of setting the townie pool for each world we got so they would all fit with the style.
Did I dream that? Was that something that changed?
That was probably scrapped.
They also said things like all life stages present in past games would be in TS4 and we would be able to draw out a path for our Sims to walk in. Just more stuff that never happened.
Does anyone else remember hearing a guru talk about how we can create a pool of townies that our game would draw from? I took that to mean that our game would pick our sims from our libraries instead of create randomly generated, not in world, culled on a regular basis sims. I had visions of setting the townie pool for each world we got so they would all fit with the style.
Did I dream that? Was that something that changed?
They always say, things change....
It's quite drop from the top, so how ya feeling down there?
Does anyone else remember hearing a guru talk about how we can create a pool of townies that our game would draw from? I took that to mean that our game would pick our sims from our libraries instead of create randomly generated, not in world, culled on a regular basis sims. I had visions of setting the townie pool for each world we got so they would all fit with the style.
Did I dream that? Was that something that changed?
Does anyone else remember hearing a guru talk about how we can create a pool of townies that our game would draw from? I took that to mean that our game would pick our sims from our libraries instead of create randomly generated, not in world, culled on a regular basis sims. I had visions of setting the townie pool for each world we got so they would all fit with the style.
Did I dream that? Was that something that changed?
I remember that too!! You haven't lost it
"Things change."
“I was so sure that I knew what they needed and what I wanted to sell them that I never stopped long enough to find out what it was they wanted to buy.”
― Chris Murray, The Extremely Successful Salesman's Club
Does anyone else remember hearing a guru talk about how we can create a pool of townies that our game would draw from? I took that to mean that our game would pick our sims from our libraries instead of create randomly generated, not in world, culled on a regular basis sims. I had visions of setting the townie pool for each world we got so they would all fit with the style.
Did I dream that? Was that something that changed?
That was probably scrapped.
They also said things like all life stages present in past games would be in TS4 and we would be able to draw out a path for our Sims to walk in. Just more stuff that never happened.
But they said that nearing release...at least the first release date. I also remember one of the gurus saying something like he watched a townie stomping across the park in a wedding dress and it appeared that she had been left at the altar. I took that to mean that the townies were actually going to be doing things on their own...like getting married at the park and getting left at the altar. I didn't realize that he just hadn't ever played the game.
lol, thanks! I wasn't sure if I had just made it up because it sounded like a nice idea or if it was something which was mentioned. Good to know I wasn't imagining this.
Does anyone else remember hearing a guru talk about how we can create a pool of townies that our game would draw from? I took that to mean that our game would pick our sims from our libraries instead of create randomly generated, not in world, culled on a regular basis sims. I had visions of setting the townie pool for each world we got so they would all fit with the style.
Did I dream that? Was that something that changed?
I do remember that. That was Graham. But he wasn't talking about pulling the sims from your library. He said there is a file in the game (I do not remember which), but it holds all the "random sims" that show up in town. He said you could delete all the names in the file, and make sims and add those sims you made names to the list, so they would be the sims chosen to be townies. It was in theory, as he had never actually tried it.
Yeah the culling is an unbelievably bad design choice.
What, you couldn't regulate the population by cutting off the random importation of sims beyond a certain point?
You couldn't just give us a hard number for a max limit of sims to work with?
The way it is now isn't even slightly reasonable and they don't even disclose how it works at the onset of the game.
All they really need to do is add a button to the UI, along with other options please like aging, etc please - that says Manage Population, you then select household you wish to lock and keep. If that is too hard, then it really is stuffed.
TBH I never needed sims randomly imported into my neighborhoods either.
I think most of us are capable enough to create or import our own townies.
Indeed, that is true for me as well.
Then add a button that says Generate Random Population for those that don't want to create everything themselves. The code to do this function is obviously there.
I don't know why they keep going so far away from this when it's obviously an option people always want. It should work like TS2's townie tree/gun worked with NPCs/Townies - if you want your own, create your own - if you want us to create it for you, click the button and we'll create it for you.
My secret dream is that they would do this with entire neighborhoods so we can set stuff up the way we want to set it up.
This is my dream, too. Just let me create the townies and give them jobs that actually account for something in the neighborhood. --And I've been playing Medieval lately and am still enamored at the way the whole town works together. Every sim has a job or position in the town and they fulfill it. I wish they would throw those kinds of townies into the game. Just for the background...to actually do something and perform. This wandering sim with nowhere to go and nothing to do is a bit over the top and unnecessary.
This is exactly how I play too . I'm medieval and every single one of my lovingly, hand-crafted sims has a purpose in the world. Even if it's just some NPC, they have an identity, a job and a recognizable name. This is a fun sims game for me, my sims have a place and all work together in a really cool way. That's TS2 though, letting me play however I want to play. I'd even be okay with story progression if I could create the environment and sims myself. I just want some control back.
More on topic - I still think that Maxis/EA knows they messed up and are trying to turn back the hands of time with this free trial. I'm glad though, I got to validate that this isn't the game for me.
Wait, in Sims 2, you can actually select non-played sims and have them work and progress in their jobs? I would love to have something like that. A button click where you can actually direct their lives without having to actually play them would be, for me, a decent alternative to story progression.
I'd also like their relationships to not progress unless I deliberately had the active sim directing it.
Wait, in Sims 2, you can actually select non-played sims and have them work and progress in their jobs? I would love to have something like that. A button click where you can actually direct their lives without having to actually play them would be, for me, a decent alternative to story progression.
I'd also like their relationships to not progress unless I deliberately had the active sim directing it.
In the sims 2, every single one of my sims works for another sim or is an npc. That way, even if it's not a sim I want to play out, I can still have some kind of attachment and cheat/select/play them if I feel so inclined (like if I want a sim to fall in love with another sim, I'll get them to a place with my playable sim, select them and then play out the romantic stuff in that environment. Think speed dating with a bunch of sims). And since they all work for my playable sims, I can get my sim to promote all the townie sims to whatever job level I feel like they deserve. Not to mention that the sims all have cool career titles like "manager at Seamons fancy resturant".
Then I age them up when I age the sim I'm playing up, so it's like story progression where I have total and absolute control. And no babies popping up unless I play it out myself.
And I'm convinced EA and Maxis will do everything in their power to take feedback to heart since they realize that the Sims 4 is flopping.
Wow you all have been busy while I was gone! I've caught up now, so will just add a few thoughts about things I've read the past 6 pages. My apologies in advance if I make little to no sense - I'm diabetic & had a bad sugar episode, so while I feel like communicating here again I may not sound coherent. Lol
EA/Maxis relationship - Imo someone, somewhere is being fed a line of bull & believing it. It could even be a two-way thing. It makes no logical sense to me with The Sims being one of the most successful games series ever that Maxis would be treated as a lesser development team than any of EA's others. If anything, I'd think the reverse would be true.
Too expensive/too hard - I think this is two lines of bull being fed to us - one from each side of EA/Maxis. This ties in to my statement above in regard to budget for Maxis, as well as the lack of communication with us on what is or is not possible to implement in TS4.
I get that EA wants to make as much money as possible, & that the original direction of the game was scrapped. When the decision to go in a new direction was made, there had to be at least one meeting regarding the additional costs related to that choice - & unforeseen expenses have to figure into that equation.
The development side had to give some sort of realistic timeframe estimate. Granted, they seem to not have final say & may have been given a shorter timeframe in which to get things done. But if what I read earlier about them working on 50 EPs simultaneously is even remotely true, then they needed to shift some people around as I said in an earlier post. Talk about too many irons in the fire! No wonder they keep saying things are too hard.
I'm not buying any of it. I think EA fully understands the concept of spending money to make money, & also fully understood there would be significant additional expense when they changed the game's focus. I also believe the development team is capable of doing much more than they want us to believe, & since they managed to become part of the development team I assume they actually are qualified to perform the job for which they were hired.
I think both sides believe we know far less about programming, business management, etc. than we actually do. So while they keep saying it's too expensive or difficult, & we can't know for certain that it isn't, I just get the feeling they're patting us all on the head like we're children while saying it, like we couldn't possibly comprehend anything technical or mathematical. And I find that more than a little irritating.
Wow you all have been busy while I was gone! I've caught up now, so will just add a few thoughts about things I've read the past 6 pages. My apologies in advance if I make little to no sense - I'm diabetic & had a bad sugar episode, so while I feel like communicating here again I may not sound coherent. Lol
EA/Maxis relationship - Imo someone, somewhere is being fed a line of bull & believing it. It could even be a two-way thing. It makes no logical sense to me with The Sims being one of the most successful games series ever that Maxis would be treated as a lesser development team than any of EA's others. If anything, I'd think the reverse would be true.
Too expensive/too hard - I think this is two lines of bull being fed to us - one from each side of EA/Maxis. This ties in to my statement above in regard to budget for Maxis, as well as the lack of communication with us on what is or is not possible to implement in TS4.
I get that EA wants to make as much money as possible, & that the original direction of the game was scrapped. When the decision to go in a new direction was made, there had to be at least one meeting regarding the additional costs related to that choice - & unforeseen expenses have to figure into that equation.
The development side had to give some sort of realistic timeframe estimate. Granted, they seem to not have final say & may have been given a shorter timeframe in which to get things done. But if what I read earlier about them working on 50 EPs simultaneously is even remotely true, then they needed to shift some people around as I said in an earlier post. Talk about too many irons in the fire! No wonder they keep saying things are too hard.
I'm not buying any of it. I think EA fully understands the concept of spending money to make money, & also fully understood there would be significant additional expense when they changed the game's focus. I also believe the development team is capable of doing much more than they want us to believe, & since they managed to become part of the development team I assume they actually are qualified to perform the job for which they were hired.
I think both sides believe we know far less about programming, business management, etc. than we actually do. So while they keep saying it's too expensive or difficult, & we can't know for certain that it isn't, I just get the feeling they're patting us all on the head like we're children while saying it, like we couldn't possibly comprehend anything technical or mathematical. And I find that more than little irritating.
I like how you think
It's quite drop from the top, so how ya feeling down there?
I guess I was lucky in my working days. I worked as an artist, including in the computer gaming industry. I never worked anywhere that our budget was so limited that we were crippled.
I also never worked anywhere where I could say something was too hard - I'd have been fired.
ETA: Off-topic but $20-$25 million. I had to smile at that.
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LOL! You guys crack me up!
This guy obviously lost the simguru popularity contest a long time ago since: "things change"--although you have to love that quote when their sales records changed right along with those "things".
Anyway, can anyone wonder why this guy lost his password here
Well, GG devs, if you can't do something as simple as recovering your account on a forum board via its administration panel, I wonder what goodies we will see in the future for TS4. That is assuming he's even telling the truth.
"lost" he just doesn't want to be in a place where we can write books worthy of what's wrong with the game lol
complete forum tutorial
Thank you @MDianaSanders for halloween-fying Golluma
Haha! Actually there are others higher on my list of gurus I am unhappy with.
Well he is a self proclaimed idiot....says so all the time....so that might have something to do with it. Oh he did tweet he's trying to figure that out, like he would ever use it. I asked if that meant we could look forward to seeing him sometime in the future....*crickets* yup that's what I thought
I feel creativity is limited, from no Create a style, to limited amount of lots, no create a world.. It just really sucks in that way, cause you just feel you are in the limits of the game's surroundings..it looks pretty, but you can do virtually nothing in it!
To correct what they did wrong would be easy..put back in the game what the fans have always loved..and make it even better!
I expected better of EA under Andrew Wilson for those reasons but so far I see the absolute opposite actions by his company to what he says. And you know that saying? Actions speak louder than words...
I cannot wrap my head around the situation at all. They are looking a gift horse in the mouth in terms of our loyalty.
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This is my dream, too. Just let me create the townies and give them jobs that actually account for something in the neighborhood. --And I've been playing Medieval lately and am still enamored at the way the whole town works together. Every sim has a job or position in the town and they fulfill it. I wish they would throw those kinds of townies into the game. Just for the background...to actually do something and perform. This wandering sim with nowhere to go and nothing to do is a bit over the top and unnecessary.
Did I dream that? Was that something that changed?
That was probably scrapped.
They also said things like all life stages present in past games would be in TS4 and we would be able to draw out a path for our Sims to walk in. Just more stuff that never happened.
They always say, things change....
I remember that too!! You haven't lost it
complete forum tutorial
Thank you @MDianaSanders for halloween-fying Golluma
"Things change."
― Chris Murray, The Extremely Successful Salesman's Club
But they said that nearing release...at least the first release date. I also remember one of the gurus saying something like he watched a townie stomping across the park in a wedding dress and it appeared that she had been left at the altar. I took that to mean that the townies were actually going to be doing things on their own...like getting married at the park and getting left at the altar. I didn't realize that he just hadn't ever played the game.
I do remember that. That was Graham. But he wasn't talking about pulling the sims from your library. He said there is a file in the game (I do not remember which), but it holds all the "random sims" that show up in town. He said you could delete all the names in the file, and make sims and add those sims you made names to the list, so they would be the sims chosen to be townies. It was in theory, as he had never actually tried it.
This is exactly how I play too
More on topic - I still think that Maxis/EA knows they messed up and are trying to turn back the hands of time with this free trial. I'm glad though, I got to validate that this isn't the game for me.
I'd also like their relationships to not progress unless I deliberately had the active sim directing it.
Is that why the most creative thing we have are angry poops
Keyword: Weirder Stories
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Very weird indeed
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In the sims 2, every single one of my sims works for another sim or is an npc. That way, even if it's not a sim I want to play out, I can still have some kind of attachment and cheat/select/play them if I feel so inclined (like if I want a sim to fall in love with another sim, I'll get them to a place with my playable sim, select them and then play out the romantic stuff in that environment. Think speed dating with a bunch of sims). And since they all work for my playable sims, I can get my sim to promote all the townie sims to whatever job level I feel like they deserve. Not to mention that the sims all have cool career titles like "manager at Seamons fancy resturant".
Then I age them up when I age the sim I'm playing up, so it's like story progression where I have total and absolute control. And no babies popping up unless I play it out myself.
And I'm convinced EA and Maxis will do everything in their power to take feedback to heart since they realize that the Sims 4 is flopping.
EA/Maxis relationship - Imo someone, somewhere is being fed a line of bull & believing it. It could even be a two-way thing. It makes no logical sense to me with The Sims being one of the most successful games series ever that Maxis would be treated as a lesser development team than any of EA's others. If anything, I'd think the reverse would be true.
Too expensive/too hard - I think this is two lines of bull being fed to us - one from each side of EA/Maxis. This ties in to my statement above in regard to budget for Maxis, as well as the lack of communication with us on what is or is not possible to implement in TS4.
I get that EA wants to make as much money as possible, & that the original direction of the game was scrapped. When the decision to go in a new direction was made, there had to be at least one meeting regarding the additional costs related to that choice - & unforeseen expenses have to figure into that equation.
The development side had to give some sort of realistic timeframe estimate. Granted, they seem to not have final say & may have been given a shorter timeframe in which to get things done. But if what I read earlier about them working on 50 EPs simultaneously is even remotely true, then they needed to shift some people around as I said in an earlier post. Talk about too many irons in the fire! No wonder they keep saying things are too hard.
I'm not buying any of it. I think EA fully understands the concept of spending money to make money, & also fully understood there would be significant additional expense when they changed the game's focus. I also believe the development team is capable of doing much more than they want us to believe, & since they managed to become part of the development team I assume they actually are qualified to perform the job for which they were hired.
I think both sides believe we know far less about programming, business management, etc. than we actually do. So while they keep saying it's too expensive or difficult, & we can't know for certain that it isn't, I just get the feeling they're patting us all on the head like we're children while saying it, like we couldn't possibly comprehend anything technical or mathematical. And I find that more than a little irritating.
Edit to add a forgotten "a"
I like how you think
That and art are two things that are irreconcilable.
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I guess I was lucky in my working days. I worked as an artist, including in the computer gaming industry. I never worked anywhere that our budget was so limited that we were crippled.
I also never worked anywhere where I could say something was too hard - I'd have been fired.
ETA: Off-topic but $20-$25 million. I had to smile at that.