I really love the game, despite it's faults. But for me, just this
tweet alone screams "desperation".
WHOA! A simguru is actually begging. I knew the game was doing bad in sales. Like it took two or three months just to make the one million mark when The Sims 3 made one million in one week! But to see this. WHOA! I'm dumbfounded. There's no color plumbbob for that. My plumbbob might as well crash and break my coffee table. This is ridiculous lol.
My favorite part happens at 2:33 of the video - it's what I've said for months now was their plan all along.
Yep, when I saw that I was all "OMG... this is so what is happening with Sims 4 right now!". They really are making people buy missing content that should of been in the game from the start, from origin as "game packs" lol
Exactly. It also speaks to what others have mentioned about not understanding who their true customer base is.
I also believe what others have previously said re EA banking on tweeners & microtransaction-type players coming aboard the USS Sims in droves. They felt us older simmers were too old to be considered in their vision - I mean I'm 52; I couldn't possibly still be interested in gaming. Plus, most people I know that are my age aren't into microtransaction-type games, so we didn't fit their vision yet again.
Unfortunately for them, there are plenty of us old fogeys that are still keen enough of mind to understand economics.
Edit for typo that caused plum censor
What got me, was the fact the forum kept redirecting the youtube link to a plum channel lol. I looked the link itself over, and could see absolutely no reason why the forum would do that. Also, I'm still pretty young in my late 30's. And I plan to game game game game till I die lol.
My current feelings about The Sims 4. Here is hoping The Sims 5 can restore The Sims franchise.
LOL so even Grant admits S4 is not his favorite game!
His boss seriously needs to pull him off of Twitter, or at least require him to submit his entries for review before posting.
I think people forget that even tweeting is publishing, and when you're using your companies name, ever tweet is a press release. For good or bad, Twitter is not the same as chatting with friends. I think people seem to forget that social media is not the same and just chatting with people.
My favorite part happens at 2:33 of the video - it's what I've said for months now was their plan all along.
Yep, when I saw that I was all "OMG... this is so what is happening with Sims 4 right now!". They really are making people buy missing content that should of been in the game from the start, from origin as "game packs" lol
Exactly. It also speaks to what others have mentioned about not understanding who their true customer base is.
I also believe what others have previously said re EA banking on tweeners & microtransaction-type players coming aboard the USS Sims in droves. They felt us older simmers were too old to be considered in their vision - I mean I'm 52; I couldn't possibly still be interested in gaming. Plus, most people I know that are my age aren't into microtransaction-type games, so we didn't fit their vision yet again.
Unfortunately for them, there are plenty of us old fogeys that are still keen enough of mind to understand economics.
Edit for typo that caused plum censor
What got me, was the fact the forum kept redirecting the youtube link to a plum channel lol. I looked the link itself over, and could see absolutely no reason why the forum would do that. Also, I'm still pretty young in my late 30's. And I plan to game game game game till I die lol.
Someone tried to post a link to the same video yesterday & the same thing happened. I'm glad you got it in here properly so I could see it.
I also plan on gaming until I die. They can pry my mouse from my cold, dead hands. Lol
No one should have to force themselves to like a game. I've seen a few people mention that now. A game should be involving, captivating and entertaining on its own, and a player should never have to keep plugging away at attempting to enjoy it almost as if it were a job. Once that happens, then it should be clear that there is a problem, either with the player perhaps outgrowing said game series, or, with the game itself. Since the folks I've seen make this remark are still playing TS3 and in some cases TS2 then I believe the problem doesn't lie with them outgrowing the series, and that the issues lie with the game itself.
I'm not a PR person, or Dev, neither do I work in marketing. It just seems like common sense to me, so If I can see this, why can't those people ? Do they need to be hit over the head with a bag of hammers before they realize that "hey! There's an issue here and it isn't with our player base..." or are they really SO blind and clueless that they just can't see the trees for the forest?
Or is it just stubborn pride, embarrassment or apprehension from EA in regard to admitting that they were wrong, and that they directed their developers to rescue their pre-fail freeplay MMO and attempt to turn it into an entire sims game that most certainly lacks the love and care that have gone into prior versions?
I do recall them saying before release that even when the game released, they already were working on 50 expansions... at once...
So we've got number 1: Outdoor retreat - adds a single camping vacation world, and a couple object
So if we go by that tiny bit of a pack...
Game Pack 2: Toddlers galore - new life state toddlers, and a few objects
Game pack 3: family time! - family tree, maybe a few objects
and the list goes on and on. No thanks EA.
50?! That seems a bit optimistic. Perhaps they should've cut down on expansion packs development & concentrated on a complete, functional actual sims game.
I do recall them saying before release that even when the game released, they already were working on 50 expansions... at once...
So we've got number 1: Outdoor retreat - adds a single camping vacation world, and a couple object
So if we go by that tiny bit of a pack...
Game Pack 2: Toddlers galore - new life state toddlers, and a few objects
Game pack 3: family time! - family tree, maybe a few objects
and the list goes on and on. No thanks EA.
50?! That seems a bit optimistic. Perhaps they should've cut down on expansion packs development & concentrated on a complete, functional actual sims game.
LOL so even Grant admits S4 is not his favorite game!
His boss seriously needs to pull him off of Twitter, or at least require him to submit his entries for review before posting.
I think people forget that even tweeting is publishing, and when you're using your companies name, ever tweet is a press release. For good or bad, Twitter is not the same as chatting with friends. I think people seem to forget that social media is not the same and just chatting with people.
You know what? I am thinking about this behavior since hours and - well it's just a feeling - but for me it looks like Grant doesn't care much anymore. He knows very well from the past that we are able to read between his lines. Maybe he got his layoff already? Please, I don't want to start rumors here. It's just a thought!
My favorite part happens at 2:33 of the video - it's what I've said for months now was their plan all along.
Yep, when I saw that I was all "OMG... this is so what is happening with Sims 4 right now!". They really are making people buy missing content that should of been in the game from the start, from origin as "game packs" lol
Exactly. It also speaks to what others have mentioned about not understanding who their true customer base is.
I also believe what others have previously said re EA banking on tweeners & microtransaction-type players coming aboard the USS Sims in droves. They felt us older simmers were too old to be considered in their vision - I mean I'm 52; I couldn't possibly still be interested in gaming. Plus, most people I know that are my age aren't into microtransaction-type games, so we didn't fit their vision yet again.
Unfortunately for them, there are plenty of us old fogeys that are still keen enough of mind to understand economics.
Edit for typo that caused plum censor
What got me, was the fact the forum kept redirecting the youtube link to a plum channel lol. I looked the link itself over, and could see absolutely no reason why the forum would do that. Also, I'm still pretty young in my late 30's. And I plan to game game game game till I die lol.
Well, lad..I be older than thee, and tha'll 'ave to pry 't controller fra my cold dead 'ands.
Awake.
Shake dreams from your hair
My pretty child, my sweet one.
Choose the day and choose the sign of your day
The day's divinity.... The Ghost Song - Jim Morrison
Awake.
Shake dreams from your hair
My pretty child, my sweet one.
Choose the day and choose the sign of your day
The day's divinity.... The Ghost Song - Jim Morrison
No one should have to force themselves to like a game. I've seen a few people mention that now. A game should be involving, captivating and entertaining on its own, and a player should never have to keep plugging away at attempting to enjoy it almost as if it were a job. Once that happens, then it should be clear that there is a problem, either with the player perhaps outgrowing said game series, or, with the game itself. Since the folks I've seen make this remark are still playing TS3 and in some cases TS2 then I believe the problem doesn't lie with them outgrowing the series, and that the issues lie with the game itself.
I'm not a PR person, or Dev, neither do I work in marketing. It just seems like common sense to me, so If I can see this, why can't those people ? Do they need to be hit over the head with a bag of hammers before they realize that "hey! There's an issue here and it isn't with our player base..." or are they really SO blind and clueless that they just can't see the trees for the forest?
Or is it just stubborn pride, embarrassment or apprehension from EA in regard to admitting that they were wrong, and that they directed their developers to rescue their pre-fail freeplay MMO and attempt to turn it into an entire sims game that most certainly lacks the love and care that have gone into prior versions?
Edit - CURSE this IPad and its auto correct!
Yes I never understood why anyone would want to try to force themselves to like a game. I have seen people say that, I know you spent money on it, but geez you can't make something, something it's not.
I have no idea, really they can not be blind to this. It is everywhere. Disappointment is oozing all over the internet, no matter where you go. So no I do not think they are not seeing it, they saw it before the game was even out first hand. If you saw those LP's, their "enjoyment" of the game is so forced and scripted, it was horrible to watch. I'm sorry but if a developer has to try to force themselves to like a game, or even just to say something positive about it, then that is a game I don't ever want to touch. Compared to old Sims LP's, where it looked as if they were actually enjoying what they were doing, you could see the pride they had in their work. That does not exist for this game, physical language speaks louder then words.
Welcome To The Sims 4: 🐸🐸🐸🐸 Expansion. From the makers that brought you bare. I mean The Sims 4 comes a brand new expansion that's a play of words a minute. You think you paid all of your bills. Well I'm hear to tell you that's a load of crap. Sims can now only pay part of their bill in order to calm the bill collectors down while trying to gather the rest of the funds. You can even lie and say your going to pay your bills tomorrow through the use of the computer. Are you ready for more group activities. This expansion includes a soccer ball, a hacky sack, swings, and a foot and hand ball. What is 🐸🐸🐸🐸 about it. It's all decor. Decor to give you new outdoor decorations to create the illusions of actual activitiy. No interactive options needed. This expansion is all about the illusions.
From paintings of toddlers to chalk drawings of Sims swimming in the ocean we have provided many new decor items to create illusions of what our fans loved of the past. We are here to tell you that this expansion will bring you a lot of false hopes to provide your Sims of new stories to tell from a "just got punked" prospective. Be prepared for your Sims to be "Tactile" and "Intuitive" this summer. lol.
It is now 4 1/2 months...so whats the deal with Sims4?
Or......are they just planning to put out 'game packs' every couple of months at 20 bucks a pop?
Have EPs been confirmed at all? I know they were talking about a GP every three months, but I haven't seen anyone but fans talk about EPs.
Really confirmed?? No, but they did say there will be EP's in the future. Of course things change.
I do recall them saying before release that even when the game released, they already were working on 50 expansions... at once...
So we've got number 1: Outdoor retreat - adds a single camping vacation world, and a couple object
So if we go by that tiny bit of a pack...
Game Pack 2: Toddlers galore - new life state toddlers, and a few objects
Game pack 3: family time! - family tree, maybe a few objects
and the list goes on and on. No thanks EA.
Ahhhh you still think we are getting toddlers. That's so cute
Honestly, doubt it. I was only using toddlers as an example. I don't even think they can even add a family tree, since they designed the system to completely erase unplayed sims after a while, to a point where it is as though they never existed. So a family tree would not work because past relatives, would be disappearing from that tree like crazy.
My current feelings about The Sims 4. Here is hoping The Sims 5 can restore The Sims franchise.
LOL so even Grant admits S4 is not his favorite game!
His boss seriously needs to pull him off of Twitter, or at least require him to submit his entries for review before posting.
I think people forget that even tweeting is publishing, and when you're using your companies name, ever tweet is a press release. For good or bad, Twitter is not the same as chatting with friends. I think people seem to forget that social media is not the same and just chatting with people.
Twitter, Facebook and it's ilk will be some really nasty, bad chicken coming home to roost for some people in the future.
He does need pulling off twitter, he should be posting in a calm discussion thread similar to the technical chat thread with SimGurMax which is one of the best threads I have read on these forums, until it gets derailed at about page 20.
Awake.
Shake dreams from your hair
My pretty child, my sweet one.
Choose the day and choose the sign of your day
The day's divinity.... The Ghost Song - Jim Morrison
LOL so even Grant admits S4 is not his favorite game!
His boss seriously needs to pull him off of Twitter, or at least require him to submit his entries for review before posting.
I think people forget that even tweeting is publishing, and when you're using your companies name, ever tweet is a press release. For good or bad, Twitter is not the same as chatting with friends. I think people seem to forget that social media is not the same and just chatting with people.
You know what? I am thinking about this behavior since hours and - well it's just a feeling - but for me it looks like Grant doesn't care much anymore. He knows very well from the past that we are able to read between his lines. Maybe he got his layoff already? Please, I don't want to start rumors here. It's just a thought!
Or maybe he's burned out and upset because he knows the game is a fail and can't do anything about it? Just a suggestion...
“I was so sure that I knew what they needed and what I wanted to sell them that I never stopped long enough to find out what it was they wanted to buy.”
― Chris Murray, The Extremely Successful Salesman's Club
It is now 4 1/2 months...so whats the deal with Sims4?
Or......are they just planning to put out 'game packs' every couple of months at 20 bucks a pop?
Have EPs been confirmed at all? I know they were talking about a GP every three months, but I haven't seen anyone but fans talk about EPs.
Really confirmed?? No, but they did say there will be EP's in the future. Of course things change.
I do recall them saying before release that even when the game released, they already were working on 50 expansions... at once...
So we've got number 1: Outdoor retreat - adds a single camping vacation world, and a couple object
So if we go by that tiny bit of a pack...
Game Pack 2: Toddlers galore - new life state toddlers, and a few objects
Game pack 3: family time! - family tree, maybe a few objects
and the list goes on and on. No thanks EA.
Ahhhh you still think we are getting toddlers. That's so cute
Honestly, doubt it. I was only using toddlers as an example. I don't even think they can even add a family tree, since they designed the system to completely erase unplayed sims after a while, to a point where it is as though they never existed. So a family tree would not work because past relatives, would be disappearing from that tree like crazy.
I didn't think it was possible to make me any sadder about TS4, but I think you're right about family trees.
Incest as a game norm - nice family game you're selling, EA.
LOL so even Grant admits S4 is not his favorite game!
His boss seriously needs to pull him off of Twitter, or at least require him to submit his entries for review before posting.
I think people forget that even tweeting is publishing, and when you're using your companies name, ever tweet is a press release. For good or bad, Twitter is not the same as chatting with friends. I think people seem to forget that social media is not the same and just chatting with people.
You know what? I am thinking about this behavior since hours and - well it's just a feeling - but for me it looks like Grant doesn't care much anymore. He knows very well from the past that we are able to read between his lines. Maybe he got his layoff already? Please, I don't want to start rumors here. It's just a thought!
That or he doesn't have that critical sensor when dealing with the public. You can say anything to friends but when you are releasing information to the public as an employee, you better think twice what you wrote, He got in trouble for saying toddlers would be in game and that begging tweet of his was removed.
It is now 4 1/2 months...so whats the deal with Sims4?
Or......are they just planning to put out 'game packs' every couple of months at 20 bucks a pop?
Have EPs been confirmed at all? I know they were talking about a GP every three months, but I haven't seen anyone but fans talk about EPs.
Really confirmed?? No, but they did say there will be EP's in the future. Of course things change.
I do recall them saying before release that even when the game released, they already were working on 50 expansions... at once...
So we've got number 1: Outdoor retreat - adds a single camping vacation world, and a couple object
So if we go by that tiny bit of a pack...
Game Pack 2: Toddlers galore - new life state toddlers, and a few objects
Game pack 3: family time! - family tree, maybe a few objects
and the list goes on and on. No thanks EA.
Ahhhh you still think we are getting toddlers. That's so cute
Honestly, doubt it. I was only using toddlers as an example. I don't even think they can even add a family tree, since they designed the system to completely erase unplayed sims after a while, to a point where it is as though they never existed. So a family tree would not work because past relatives, would be disappearing from that tree like crazy.
Indeed I think your right. What were they thinking with this "sims culling"? It is awful, family and friends disappearing, you try to start up a romantic relationship with someone, get to know them...boom their just gone! Seriously who thought this up and thought it was a good idea?
It is now 4 1/2 months...so whats the deal with Sims4?
Or......are they just planning to put out 'game packs' every couple of months at 20 bucks a pop?
Have EPs been confirmed at all? I know they were talking about a GP every three months, but I haven't seen anyone but fans talk about EPs.
Really confirmed?? No, but they did say there will be EP's in the future. Of course things change.
I do recall them saying before release that even when the game released, they already were working on 50 expansions... at once...
So we've got number 1: Outdoor retreat - adds a single camping vacation world, and a couple object
So if we go by that tiny bit of a pack...
Game Pack 2: Toddlers galore - new life state toddlers, and a few objects
Game pack 3: family time! - family tree, maybe a few objects
and the list goes on and on. No thanks EA.
Ahhhh you still think we are getting toddlers. That's so cute
Honestly, doubt it. I was only using toddlers as an example. I don't even think they can even add a family tree, since they designed the system to completely erase unplayed sims after a while, to a point where it is as though they never existed. So a family tree would not work because past relatives, would be disappearing from that tree like crazy.
Indeed I think your right. What were they thinking with this "sims culling"? It is awful, family and friends disappearing, you try to start up a romantic relationship with someone, get to know them...boom their just gone! Seriously who thought this up and thought it was a good idea?
She-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named?
“I was so sure that I knew what they needed and what I wanted to sell them that I never stopped long enough to find out what it was they wanted to buy.”
― Chris Murray, The Extremely Successful Salesman's Club
It is now 4 1/2 months...so whats the deal with Sims4?
Or......are they just planning to put out 'game packs' every couple of months at 20 bucks a pop?
Have EPs been confirmed at all? I know they were talking about a GP every three months, but I haven't seen anyone but fans talk about EPs.
Really confirmed?? No, but they did say there will be EP's in the future. Of course things change.
I do recall them saying before release that even when the game released, they already were working on 50 expansions... at once...
So we've got number 1: Outdoor retreat - adds a single camping vacation world, and a couple object
So if we go by that tiny bit of a pack...
Game Pack 2: Toddlers galore - new life state toddlers, and a few objects
Game pack 3: family time! - family tree, maybe a few objects
and the list goes on and on. No thanks EA.
Ahhhh you still think we are getting toddlers. That's so cute
Honestly, doubt it. I was only using toddlers as an example. I don't even think they can even add a family tree, since they designed the system to completely erase unplayed sims after a while, to a point where it is as though they never existed. So a family tree would not work because past relatives, would be disappearing from that tree like crazy.
I didn't think it was possible to make me any sadder about TS4, but I think you're right about family trees.
Incest as a game norm - nice family game you're selling, EA.
Yeah I know, when I saw a Guru explain why sims and even ghosts would disappear after a while, I knew then, the game can never have a family tree if it will empty the graves after a couple generations. Even Sims 2 has family tree! And considering that incest bug still prevails to this day, I don't want to see my favorite sim's daughter, suddenly get it on with her brother when she and him age to teens. Just... no... But given also the size of the world, to spread the family out cuz I like having the kids move out into their own place, eventually I'd end up with a world completely full of my sims relatives... Then who would they date? They wouldn't be able to date too long, they'd have to hurry the relationship along with townies very quickly or else townie one day the following week goes poof.
My current feelings about The Sims 4. Here is hoping The Sims 5 can restore The Sims franchise.
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WHOA! A simguru is actually begging. I knew the game was doing bad in sales. Like it took two or three months just to make the one million mark when The Sims 3 made one million in one week! But to see this. WHOA! I'm dumbfounded. There's no color plumbbob for that. My plumbbob might as well crash and break my coffee table. This is ridiculous lol.
What got me, was the fact the forum kept redirecting the youtube link to a plum channel lol. I looked the link itself over, and could see absolutely no reason why the forum would do that. Also, I'm still pretty young in my late 30's. And I plan to game game game game till I die lol.
My current feelings about The Sims 4. Here is hoping The Sims 5 can restore The Sims franchise.
His boss seriously needs to pull him off of Twitter, or at least require him to submit his entries for review before posting.
I think people forget that even tweeting is publishing, and when you're using your companies name, ever tweet is a press release. For good or bad, Twitter is not the same as chatting with friends. I think people seem to forget that social media is not the same and just chatting with people.
Have EPs been confirmed at all? I know they were talking about a GP every three months, but I haven't seen anyone but fans talk about EPs.
Someone tried to post a link to the same video yesterday & the same thing happened. I'm glad you got it in here properly so I could see it.
I also plan on gaming until I die. They can pry my mouse from my cold, dead hands. Lol
Those Sims 4 Origin cash card things mention EPs.
Really confirmed?? No, but they did say there will be EP's in the future. Of course things change.
I do recall them saying before release that even when the game released, they already were working on 50 expansions... at once...
So we've got number 1: Outdoor retreat - adds a single camping vacation world, and a couple object
So if we go by that tiny bit of a pack...
Game Pack 2: Toddlers galore - new life state toddlers, and a few objects
Game pack 3: family time! - family tree, maybe a few objects
and the list goes on and on. No thanks EA.
My current feelings about The Sims 4. Here is hoping The Sims 5 can restore The Sims franchise.
I'm not a PR person, or Dev, neither do I work in marketing. It just seems like common sense to me, so If I can see this, why can't those people ? Do they need to be hit over the head with a bag of hammers before they realize that "hey! There's an issue here and it isn't with our player base..." or are they really SO blind and clueless that they just can't see the trees for the forest?
Or is it just stubborn pride, embarrassment or apprehension from EA in regard to admitting that they were wrong, and that they directed their developers to rescue their pre-fail freeplay MMO and attempt to turn it into an entire sims game that most certainly lacks the love and care that have gone into prior versions?
Edit - CURSE this IPad and its auto correct!
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50?! That seems a bit optimistic. Perhaps they should've cut down on expansion packs development & concentrated on a complete, functional actual sims game.
Ahhhh you still think we are getting toddlers. That's so cute
More like, 50 store items GP
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Thank you @MDianaSanders for halloween-fying Golluma
Well, lad..I be older than thee, and tha'll 'ave to pry 't controller fra my cold dead 'ands.
Shake dreams from your hair
My pretty child, my sweet one.
Choose the day and choose the sign of your day
The day's divinity....
The Ghost Song - Jim Morrison
Shake dreams from your hair
My pretty child, my sweet one.
Choose the day and choose the sign of your day
The day's divinity....
The Ghost Song - Jim Morrison
Yes I never understood why anyone would want to try to force themselves to like a game. I have seen people say that, I know you spent money on it, but geez you can't make something, something it's not.
I have no idea, really they can not be blind to this. It is everywhere. Disappointment is oozing all over the internet, no matter where you go. So no I do not think they are not seeing it, they saw it before the game was even out first hand. If you saw those LP's, their "enjoyment" of the game is so forced and scripted, it was horrible to watch. I'm sorry but if a developer has to try to force themselves to like a game, or even just to say something positive about it, then that is a game I don't ever want to touch. Compared to old Sims LP's, where it looked as if they were actually enjoying what they were doing, you could see the pride they had in their work. That does not exist for this game, physical language speaks louder then words.
From paintings of toddlers to chalk drawings of Sims swimming in the ocean we have provided many new decor items to create illusions of what our fans loved of the past. We are here to tell you that this expansion will bring you a lot of false hopes to provide your Sims of new stories to tell from a "just got punked" prospective. Be prepared for your Sims to be "Tactile" and "Intuitive" this summer. lol.
Honestly, doubt it. I was only using toddlers as an example. I don't even think they can even add a family tree, since they designed the system to completely erase unplayed sims after a while, to a point where it is as though they never existed. So a family tree would not work because past relatives, would be disappearing from that tree like crazy.
My current feelings about The Sims 4. Here is hoping The Sims 5 can restore The Sims franchise.
Twitter, Facebook and it's ilk will be some really nasty, bad chicken coming home to roost for some people in the future.
He does need pulling off twitter, he should be posting in a calm discussion thread similar to the technical chat thread with SimGurMax which is one of the best threads I have read on these forums, until it gets derailed at about page 20.
Shake dreams from your hair
My pretty child, my sweet one.
Choose the day and choose the sign of your day
The day's divinity....
The Ghost Song - Jim Morrison
― Chris Murray, The Extremely Successful Salesman's Club
I didn't think it was possible to make me any sadder about TS4, but I think you're right about family trees.
Incest as a game norm - nice family game you're selling, EA.
That or he doesn't have that critical sensor when dealing with the public. You can say anything to friends but when you are releasing information to the public as an employee, you better think twice what you wrote, He got in trouble for saying toddlers would be in game and that begging tweet of his was removed.
complete forum tutorial
Thank you @MDianaSanders for halloween-fying Golluma
Indeed I think your right. What were they thinking with this "sims culling"? It is awful, family and friends disappearing, you try to start up a romantic relationship with someone, get to know them...boom their just gone!
She-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named?
― Chris Murray, The Extremely Successful Salesman's Club
Yeah I know, when I saw a Guru explain why sims and even ghosts would disappear after a while, I knew then, the game can never have a family tree if it will empty the graves after a couple generations. Even Sims 2 has family tree! And considering that incest bug still prevails to this day, I don't want to see my favorite sim's daughter, suddenly get it on with her brother when she and him age to teens. Just... no... But given also the size of the world, to spread the family out cuz I like having the kids move out into their own place, eventually I'd end up with a world completely full of my sims relatives... Then who would they date? They wouldn't be able to date too long, they'd have to hurry the relationship along with townies very quickly or else townie one day the following week goes poof.
My current feelings about The Sims 4. Here is hoping The Sims 5 can restore The Sims franchise.