After having lamented - at length (both in and outside of these forums) - the disparity between male, sorry masculine, and feminine CAS asset availability, especially regarding the comparative lack of specifically being able to express male/masculine gender identity I was so happy to hear that Team Maxis had finally amended their lack of equal and fair treatment of men in this game (CAS-wise).
Then I read the official blog about this kit and saw the images... WHAT. THE. BLOODY. PLUMBOB Team Maxis? We have a lot of problems in this game and this is not how you fix them! The outfits/CAS assets chosen for a product named Modern Menswear are absolutely horrible, the equivalent of wearing full body crocs! (yes that is the worst possible fashion insult imaginable, no amount of swearing and raging is going to top that). And to add insult to misery, that blog rather pretentiously assaults the male gender identity by insinuating you can just 'repurpose', 'redefine', and 'redevelop' masculinity by crudely shoehorning in effeminate traits or characteristics like that's something you can just tinker with at your leisure and expect everyone to agree that's a wonderful idea. It's also insulting to the other gender when you dilute and diminish aspects of their gender identity by blatantly incorporating them into the gender identity they are not. It's gender appropriation! At best this kit should have been named 'Modern Gender Neutralwear Kit' so it wouldn't be this disappointedly misleading and subvert expectations of this kit actually being about MENswear.
Hopefully the next few kits will be: The Sims 4 Stylish Menswear Kit, The Sims 4 Cool Menswear Kit, The Sims 4 Much Needed More Men's Underwear Kit, The Sims 4 Manly Menswear Kit, The Sims 4 Sexy Menswear Kit, The Sims 4 Smart Menswear Kit, The Sims 4 Casual Menswear Kit, The Sims 4 Fabulous Menswear Kit, The Sims 4 Athletic Menswear Kit, The Sims 4 Clubbing Menswear Kit, The Sims 4 Punk Menswear Kit, or maybe, you know, The Sims 4 Actual Menswear Kit! All of these would have been better than this... "modern"? menswear kit!
Addendum: Dragons! Unrelated to any 'wear' kits. Please! If not for me than for any other simmers that want dragons
Stefan Cooke Enters the Metaverse With a Collection for The Sims
Stefan Cooke is shaking up the metaverse monopoly with a new collection for The Sims. For just $4.99, players of The Sims will be able to purchase 23 pieces of the brand’s menswear. The Stefan Cooke pack spans seasons, bringing the label’s holey knits, jeans, and tunics into the virtual world of the game. “What I’m excited about is that it will really be a different customer,” says Cooke, who designs his namesake brand with Jake Burt. “It will be really interesting to see the reaction of people who are not in fashion. Will the collection change their minds about menswear? Will they try it out?”
Stefan Cooke’s venture into virtual isn’t only notable because it’s an independent British brand staking a claim in the metaverse, but because the brand continuously pushes the boundaries of what menswear can be, showing skirts, knee-high boots, and elegant blouses on the runway alongside classic tailoring. “I think that’s why The Sims wanted to partner with us,” says Burt. “It is committed to offering a more forward-thinking idea of menswear and defying norms.”
Turning the IRL into the URL came with design challenges. The Stefan Cooke team met with designers at The Sims biweekly for almost a year, fine-tuning the details and hand-painting textures so that its crocheted sweaters and miniskirts look as true to life as possible. When Cooke and Burt showed up at an early meeting with ideas for show stopping, over-the-top looks, they were surprised to learn that The Sims players want “wearable” garments—yes even for their virtual selves. “We picked the craziest stuff because we thought players would want to wear showpieces,” explains Burt, “but hearing that Sims players could have hold-ups about wearing something too dramatic in the game, I realized that mindset of our physical customers applies to the game too. People want to feel comfortable and like themselves.”
The expanded reach of The Sims—the game boasts 30 million players—will bring awareness to the young designers and their work, but the partnership isn’t just a marketing exercise. To Cooke and Burt it’s a way to connect with a new generation of fashion lovers and customers. “Seeing a customer engaging with the brand and wearing the brand who maybe couldn’t afford it before—I think that’s really exciting,” says Burt.
“I think this is where fashion is going, really,” adds Cooke. “Customers are everywhere; you just have to make sure that you’re appealing to as many different ones as possible. I hope that the future will be full of cool 13-year-olds in Stefan Cooke!”
Thanks for that last post simgirl1010, I hadn't read that one before.
“It will be really interesting to see the reaction of people who are not in fashion. Will the collection change their minds about menswear? Will they try it out?” This one had me laughing and snorting
"I hope that the future will be full of cool 13-year-olds in Stefan Cooke!" And there we have it, the intended/expected/desired? demographic for this game. /sigh
They put out a menswear kit then promote skirts/feminine clothes...yikes...this is one kit im def not buying. Its not even cultural skirts like kilts or sarong, which id appreciate. My male sims do not dress like women and never wear womens clothes. It has no use in my game. And so many simmers have been BEGGING for masculine clothing because the game is catered to womens clothing and the team just poured salt in the wound. There are so many threads asking for manlier clothing or activities.
The Sims has currently lost its identity. Bring it back for TS5
If you give me a London EP, I might.....might give you my 5 bucks for this kit. My sim has settled down in HOB, this kit is too modern for living on a farm
Well, this was definitely not to my liking. I thought "more men's clothes, neat" but I have actually never seen anyone dress like this. Also... maybe it should be localized? Because no Gen Z or Millenial guy I know dresses baggy, at all. Where is the designer from?
Eh, there are a few pieces from the preview pics that I could use. I'll know better once I can see all the items and determine if they're separate tops and bottoms, or full body outfits. I'm hoping for separates.
I was hoping for something that either was more basic and unisex (Jeans and Ts, The basic wear of my life) or pushed the envelope a little harder, but from what I've seen I don't think the kit is bad, just a little (okay, a lot) bland
Thanks for that last post simgirl1010, I hadn't read that one before.
“It will be really interesting to see the reaction of people who are not in fashion. Will the collection change their minds about menswear? Will they try it out?” This one had me laughing and snorting
"I hope that the future will be full of cool 13-year-olds in Stefan Cooke!" And there we have it, the intended/expected/desired? demographic for this game. /sigh
Funny tho... gender aside, 13 year old of any gender in micro skirts might be... controversial. Also school girl uniforms
really IS a very regional thing, most of the world does not have school uniforms.
On top of that of course is enforcing bad women's fashion trends on men (aka very short skirts with bare legs for autumn and winter??)
My first thought was this is good news for those wanting more male fashion. And then I saw the skirts.
What is strange to me is why this is released in a game where we can already remove male and female tags. The sims 4 is more flexible than any previous version when it comes to dressing males in female clothing and this can be done without mods/cc. So those who really need skirts for men, are probably already dressing them this way.
Brace yourselves. The randomly-generated townies are about to get SERIOUS.
And that is the reason why I am not getting this one. Less chance of random male Sims spawning in skirts. I want masculine male sims in my game. No offence to those who do like this type of content. It's personal preference, in my opinion
After having lamented - at length (both in and outside of these forums) - the disparity between male, sorry masculine, and feminine CAS asset availability, especially regarding the comparative lack of specifically being able to express male/masculine gender identity I was so happy to hear that Team Maxis had finally amended their lack of equal and fair treatment of men in this game (CAS-wise).
Then I read the official blog about this kit and saw the images... WHAT. THE. BLOODY. PLUMBOB Team Maxis? We have a lot of problems in this game and this is not how you fix them! The outfits/CAS assets chosen for a product named Modern Menswear are absolutely horrible, the equivalent of wearing full body crocs! (yes that is the worst possible fashion insult imaginable, no amount of swearing and raging is going to top that). And to add insult to misery, that blog rather pretentiously assaults the male gender identity by insinuating you can just 'repurpose', 'redefine', and 'redevelop' masculinity by crudely shoehorning in effeminate traits or characteristics like that's something you can just tinker with at your leisure and expect everyone to agree that's a wonderful idea. It's also insulting to the other gender when you dilute and diminish aspects of their gender identity by blatantly incorporating them into the gender identity they are not. It's gender appropriation! At best this kit should have been named 'Modern Gender Neutralwear Kit' so it wouldn't be this disappointedly misleading and subvert expectations of this kit actually being about MENswear.
Hopefully the next few kits will be: The Sims 4 Stylish Menswear Kit, The Sims 4 Cool Menswear Kit, The Sims 4 Much Needed More Men's Underwear Kit, The Sims 4 Manly Menswear Kit, The Sims 4 Sexy Menswear Kit, The Sims 4 Smart Menswear Kit, The Sims 4 Casual Menswear Kit, The Sims 4 Fabulous Menswear Kit, The Sims 4 Athletic Menswear Kit, The Sims 4 Clubbing Menswear Kit, The Sims 4 Punk Menswear Kit, or maybe, you know, The Sims 4 Actual Menswear Kit! All of these would have been better than this... "modern"? menswear kit!
Addendum: Dragons! Unrelated to any 'wear' kits. Please! If not for me than for any other simmers that want dragons
Thank you!
It’s not the content of the kit that bothers me. Not at all. If these are the items you want to dress your sims (or yourselves in), good for you!
I just won’t buy it. It has nothing to do with me or my pixel buddies.
What bothers me is the title. To take something a majority of the community has been begging for :
“US WANTS MORE MAN -MANLY MAN- DUDE MAN STUFF, RAAAAAAAWW!!!!!! -*shakes manly man fist*”
and instead, reply with this - in my opinion- sort of twisted idea of a men pack with a title that insinuates this is what modern men should think about wearing, or worse, make teenage girls and young women believe this is what modern guys should be wearing - goes beyond my very rich and crazy imagination.
That title could have been anything without the word “MEN” in it.
Why not call it “Stefan Cooke Kit” and promote the artist properly? You did the same with Moschino and MAC makeup and Star Wars. If you promote a brand, promote the FRIGGIN’ BRAND!!
Do men really wear skirts? if they do I sure haven’t seen them wearing them. I was hoping for a more traditional men’s clothing pack. I’m afraid to buy the pack because I’m afraid my male townies will be wearing skirts instead of pants…… I will have to go in and change them all! I’m curious, have people been asking for skirts for men? I thought people were wanting more casual clothes for them, jeans, leather pants and jackets. I’m glad there are some people that like the skirts in a men’s pack, but I’m sure not one of them. I guess I’m just getting a bit old to see a men’s pack with skirts, I don’t live in a small town, but I have to say I have never seen a man in a skirt, except for Halloween….
I am not averse to raiding the Ladies' Department to dress my male sims on occasion - when I find looks that translate effectively (hint: that's WAY TOO FEW). But Xmas sweaters with rah-rah skirts? Not the look I had in mind. But it's a Kit, which is great for niche trends or styles, for those who want them.
However, I will say again what I have said before, and will continue to say however often the topic arises for as long as it continues to be a problem in the game: Where menswear is CRITICALLY short-changed, and needs to be addressed with CORE STAPLES, not fringe trends, is in the BASE GAME. While the studio is addressing overlooked areas of representation and adding more inclusive content with free updates, please, PLEASE give male apparel some attention.
I love it very much. Trousers are not for males only. Skirts are not for females only. Wearing pants does not make you manly. Wearing skirts won't make you less manly. I hate macho attitude so much.
I am a big fan of skirts for men. In Czechia there is a brand called Kiltorys - freedom for a sack. I love that playful name (it's not a typo) and the slogan too.
The only thing I am a little bit disappointed about is that so far it seems like there are not much skirts. I honestly wish this particular theme would be in a stuff pack instead. That way there wouldn't be any gameplay objects but rather more SKIRTS! And boots!
I don't think I've ever seen a man wear a skirt in real life. If I want to use one to in the game I'll just use one of the existing skirts. I guess this is yet another kit that doesn't interest me. Then again high fashion isn't my thing (or my sims' thing) anyway.
Some bits taken from the Vogue interview with the designers. It may just be that's it's first thing in the morning and I haven't had coffee yet so I'm cranky, but it kind of rubbed me the wrong way a little.
Stefan Cooke Enters the Metaverse With a Collection for The Sims
the partnership isn’t just a marketing exercise
But it seems like a marketing exercise, especially when we are constantly being referred to as "customers".
“What I’m excited about is that it will really be a different customer,” says Cooke
“Seeing a customer engaging with the brand and wearing the brand who maybe couldn’t afford it before—I think that’s really exciting,” says Burt.
“Customers are everywhere; you just have to make sure that you’re appealing to as many different ones as possible.”
Money is everywhere; you just have to make sure that you're appealing to as much different money as possible.
I'm not silly, I know this is how business works, but they could have been a bit more subtle.
A man in a Kilt is One Thing, but in a Feminine skirt? No Thanks.
And while we're talking, since those who wish their men in skirts can already do so in CAS, why did we need an entire Kit of Feminine/Feminized Clothing for MEN when we've been asking for Actual/Stereotypical/Masculine/Male Clothing?
As for this kit? I'll definitelyPass - even if it were FREE, I would NOT download this Kit.
Just my .02.
"If you cannot be kind, at least have the decency to be vague."
OMG... I have no words, not appropriate on this forum anyway.
I've seen people saying, yet again, it should have been in a free update and I am actually happy it is not because those patches are mandatory, you have to install them at some point and this stuff will be in your game weather you want it or not. Thankfully one can choose not to buy this kit and won't be forced to look at male townies dressed like this.
I actually play mainly with male sims and was really happy when I saw the title of the kit. But it turned out to be a huge disappointment.
That was... an interesting revelation for me. I went from "I wish they'd go back to making things other than kits" to "Men's fashion? I might just buy my first kit after all" to "Forget it, just another misunderstanding between players and developers" within two minutes or so.
Calling this a "skirts for men" kit might be pushing it, since only two of the outfits I've seen so far look distinctly feminine to me, but then again, I don't expect a little kit to come with a truckload of new assets, so two women's outfits in a men's fashion pack might already be too many. I've never seen (what I believed to be) a man walk around in such clothes in real life, and I don't intend on putting them on my male sims, which is why I will probably pass on this one, too.
Too bad, because I actually like the full-body denim outfit.
A man in a Kilt is One Thing, but in a Feminine skirt? No Thanks.
And while we're talking, since those who wish their men in skirts can already do so in CAS, why did we need an entire Kit of Feminine/Feminized Clothing for MEN when we've been asking for Actual/Stereotypical/Masculine/Male Clothing?
As for this kit? I'll definitelyPass - even if it were FREE, I would NOT download this Kit.
Just my .02.
Yeah same here.. Maybe im too old to like this.. Or maybe I dont have a open mind.. Idk.. If I had this kit I would use it on females because I think the clothes are kinda cute
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Stefan Cooke Autumn/Winter 2021 Collection
https://pausemag.co.uk/2021/03/stefan-cooke-autumn-winter-2021-collection/
Then I read the official blog about this kit and saw the images... WHAT. THE. BLOODY. PLUMBOB Team Maxis? We have a lot of problems in this game and this is not how you fix them! The outfits/CAS assets chosen for a product named Modern Menswear are absolutely horrible, the equivalent of wearing full body crocs! (yes that is the worst possible fashion insult imaginable, no amount of swearing and raging is going to top that). And to add insult to misery, that blog rather pretentiously assaults the male gender identity by insinuating you can just 'repurpose', 'redefine', and 'redevelop' masculinity by crudely shoehorning in effeminate traits or characteristics like that's something you can just tinker with at your leisure and expect everyone to agree that's a wonderful idea. It's also insulting to the other gender when you dilute and diminish aspects of their gender identity by blatantly incorporating them into the gender identity they are not. It's gender appropriation! At best this kit should have been named 'Modern Gender Neutralwear Kit' so it wouldn't be this disappointedly misleading and subvert expectations of this kit actually being about MENswear.
Hopefully the next few kits will be: The Sims 4 Stylish Menswear Kit, The Sims 4 Cool Menswear Kit, The Sims 4 Much Needed More Men's Underwear Kit, The Sims 4 Manly Menswear Kit, The Sims 4 Sexy Menswear Kit, The Sims 4 Smart Menswear Kit, The Sims 4 Casual Menswear Kit, The Sims 4 Fabulous Menswear Kit, The Sims 4 Athletic Menswear Kit, The Sims 4 Clubbing Menswear Kit, The Sims 4 Punk Menswear Kit, or maybe, you know, The Sims 4 Actual Menswear Kit! All of these would have been better than this... "modern"? menswear kit!
Addendum: Dragons! Unrelated to any 'wear' kits. Please! If not for me than for any other simmers that want dragons
Stefan Cooke is shaking up the metaverse monopoly with a new collection for The Sims. For just $4.99, players of The Sims will be able to purchase 23 pieces of the brand’s menswear. The Stefan Cooke pack spans seasons, bringing the label’s holey knits, jeans, and tunics into the virtual world of the game. “What I’m excited about is that it will really be a different customer,” says Cooke, who designs his namesake brand with Jake Burt. “It will be really interesting to see the reaction of people who are not in fashion. Will the collection change their minds about menswear? Will they try it out?”
Stefan Cooke’s venture into virtual isn’t only notable because it’s an independent British brand staking a claim in the metaverse, but because the brand continuously pushes the boundaries of what menswear can be, showing skirts, knee-high boots, and elegant blouses on the runway alongside classic tailoring. “I think that’s why The Sims wanted to partner with us,” says Burt. “It is committed to offering a more forward-thinking idea of menswear and defying norms.”
Turning the IRL into the URL came with design challenges. The Stefan Cooke team met with designers at The Sims biweekly for almost a year, fine-tuning the details and hand-painting textures so that its crocheted sweaters and miniskirts look as true to life as possible. When Cooke and Burt showed up at an early meeting with ideas for show stopping, over-the-top looks, they were surprised to learn that The Sims players want “wearable” garments—yes even for their virtual selves. “We picked the craziest stuff because we thought players would want to wear showpieces,” explains Burt, “but hearing that Sims players could have hold-ups about wearing something too dramatic in the game, I realized that mindset of our physical customers applies to the game too. People want to feel comfortable and like themselves.”
The expanded reach of The Sims—the game boasts 30 million players—will bring awareness to the young designers and their work, but the partnership isn’t just a marketing exercise. To Cooke and Burt it’s a way to connect with a new generation of fashion lovers and customers. “Seeing a customer engaging with the brand and wearing the brand who maybe couldn’t afford it before—I think that’s really exciting,” says Burt.
“I think this is where fashion is going, really,” adds Cooke. “Customers are everywhere; you just have to make sure that you’re appealing to as many different ones as possible. I hope that the future will be full of cool 13-year-olds in Stefan Cooke!”
https://www.vogue.com/article/stefan-cooke-the-sims
“It will be really interesting to see the reaction of people who are not in fashion. Will the collection change their minds about menswear? Will they try it out?” This one had me laughing and snorting
"I hope that the future will be full of cool 13-year-olds in Stefan Cooke!" And there we have it, the intended/expected/desired? demographic for this game. /sigh
Personality,depth,humor,consequences,lore,customization.
Ah. Yet ANOTHER pack based on England / London? AGAIN?
Eh, there are a few pieces from the preview pics that I could use. I'll know better once I can see all the items and determine if they're separate tops and bottoms, or full body outfits. I'm hoping for separates.
I was hoping for something that either was more basic and unisex (Jeans and Ts, The basic wear of my life) or pushed the envelope a little harder, but from what I've seen I don't think the kit is bad, just a little (okay, a lot) bland
Funny tho... gender aside, 13 year old of any gender in micro skirts might be... controversial. Also school girl uniforms
really IS a very regional thing, most of the world does not have school uniforms.
On top of that of course is enforcing bad women's fashion trends on men (aka very short skirts with bare legs for autumn and winter??)
The Sims 4 hasn't introduced a new musical instrument since 2017
What is strange to me is why this is released in a game where we can already remove male and female tags. The sims 4 is more flexible than any previous version when it comes to dressing males in female clothing and this can be done without mods/cc. So those who really need skirts for men, are probably already dressing them this way.
And that is the reason why I am not getting this one. Less chance of random male Sims spawning in skirts. I want masculine male sims in my game. No offence to those who do like this type of content. It's personal preference, in my opinion
I was also reminded of star trek the next generation.
Let's see the rest of the items before I make up my mind.
Thank you!
It’s not the content of the kit that bothers me. Not at all. If these are the items you want to dress your sims (or yourselves in), good for you!
I just won’t buy it. It has nothing to do with me or my pixel buddies.
What bothers me is the title. To take something a majority of the community has been begging for :
“US WANTS MORE MAN -MANLY MAN- DUDE MAN STUFF, RAAAAAAAWW!!!!!! -*shakes manly man fist*”
and instead, reply with this - in my opinion- sort of twisted idea of a men pack with a title that insinuates this is what modern men should think about wearing, or worse, make teenage girls and young women believe this is what modern guys should be wearing - goes beyond my very rich and crazy imagination.
That title could have been anything without the word “MEN” in it.
Why not call it “Stefan Cooke Kit” and promote the artist properly? You did the same with Moschino and MAC makeup and Star Wars. If you promote a brand, promote the FRIGGIN’ BRAND!!
So here is some female clothing for your men.
I just...
However, I will say again what I have said before, and will continue to say however often the topic arises for as long as it continues to be a problem in the game: Where menswear is CRITICALLY short-changed, and needs to be addressed with CORE STAPLES, not fringe trends, is in the BASE GAME. While the studio is addressing overlooked areas of representation and adding more inclusive content with free updates, please, PLEASE give male apparel some attention.
I am a big fan of skirts for men. In Czechia there is a brand called Kiltorys - freedom for a sack. I love that playful name (it's not a typo) and the slogan too.
The only thing I am a little bit disappointed about is that so far it seems like there are not much skirts. I honestly wish this particular theme would be in a stuff pack instead. That way there wouldn't be any gameplay objects but rather more SKIRTS! And boots!
A man + a skirt + boots =
But it seems like a marketing exercise, especially when we are constantly being referred to as "customers".
Money is everywhere; you just have to make sure that you're appealing to as much different money as possible.
I'm not silly, I know this is how business works, but they could have been a bit more subtle.
A man in a Kilt is One Thing, but in a Feminine skirt? No Thanks.
And while we're talking, since those who wish their men in skirts can already do so in CAS, why did we need an entire Kit of Feminine/Feminized Clothing for MEN when we've been asking for Actual/Stereotypical/Masculine/Male Clothing?
As for this kit? I'll definitely Pass - even if it were FREE, I would NOT download this Kit.
Just my .02.
I've seen people saying, yet again, it should have been in a free update and I am actually happy it is not because those patches are mandatory, you have to install them at some point and this stuff will be in your game weather you want it or not. Thankfully one can choose not to buy this kit and won't be forced to look at male townies dressed like this.
I actually play mainly with male sims and was really happy when I saw the title of the kit. But it turned out to be a huge disappointment.
Calling this a "skirts for men" kit might be pushing it, since only two of the outfits I've seen so far look distinctly feminine to me, but then again, I don't expect a little kit to come with a truckload of new assets, so two women's outfits in a men's fashion pack might already be too many. I've never seen (what I believed to be) a man walk around in such clothes in real life, and I don't intend on putting them on my male sims, which is why I will probably pass on this one, too.
Too bad, because I actually like the full-body denim outfit.
Something wicked this way comes!
I don't use MCCC.
Yeah same here.. Maybe im too old to like this.. Or maybe I dont have a open mind.. Idk.. If I had this kit I would use it on females because I think the clothes are kinda cute
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