I don't think EA have said what they intend to do to make it multiplayer?
I'd hear their idea out of course, but to a large extent what makes the sims fun for me doesn't make sense - or even work - in a multiplayer situation. Mods for example are a big part of how I play. Customising the game with cc objects/clothes and using script mods to make it behave how I want. Multiplayer would limit or rule out a lot of these options.
We're not completely isolated in our current game play though - I love the gallery.
People jump to a lot of conclusions. Nobody said it would be forced multiplayer. Nobody said it would be micro tansaction based. This negative attitude and mob mentality killed Olympus without anyone getting to see what it could be. But i think it would be awesome if i could invite people on my friendlist to my lots and vise versa. This community is like that though. Literally no other game community is this accusatory and demanding
I'm confused.. everybody seems to be turned off by the potential of TS5 being multiplayer, and I'm not really sure why. Think of how fun it would be to visit your friends towns/worlds, interact with their sims, and go on dates/adventures/etc.
For those that only play singleplayer, then EA should introduce the multiplayer style in a way that won't impact the individuals who prefer to play on their own. EA should look at games like Minecraft, Animal Crossing, and Stardew Valley. All of these games allow you to get the full experience in singleplayer, but also allow for multiplayer experiences as well. How awesome would it be if TS5 was like this?
Personally? I've no faith in their ability to create a fun, fleshed out experience in single and multiplayer. They can't even do it for this game and many games have at least one experience suffer. Between EA's track record and all of the numerous criticisms of TS4 with the Sims series noticable dip in quality and content with every passing game... multiplayer is an awful idea.
Depends on the precise definition of "multiplayer". I don't random people walking around my town that are other players. That needs to be saved for maybe an app-based game instead?
People jump to a lot of conclusions. Nobody said it would be forced multiplayer.
No. But it doesn't matter. To have a satisfying single player Sims experience you need things you cannot have with a multiplayer game, so things would be left out.
EA hasn't said anything one way or another about it. I think people are afraid this is the way it will go because it has drifted that general direction.
This negative attitude and mob mentality killed Olympus without anyone getting to see what it could be.
From what I understand, no one knew anything about Olympus until after Sims 4 came out. People didn't want Simcity to be online only, so that game flopped. Then other online Sims games didn't do well, because most Simmers don't have any desire to play Sims the way those games were set up. EA looked at the results of those failed experiments and made the decision themselves to pull the plug on Olympus. And it's a good thing they did. Did you miss the controversy and backlash that was everywhere when Sims 4 came out? So many things were missing that had been in other games (because it was supposed to be online). It has taken them years to even get close to where players expected the game to be after 1-3. I've always been of the opinion that when they scrapped Olympus, they should have started over, not turned it into Sims 4. But, it is what it is.
Literally no other game community is this accusatory and demanding
I don't know whether that is true or not, I don't play other games. Maybe I'll ask my kids. But, I do know I've been playing Sims for 20 years. Right or wrong, that makes me feel entitled to a certain level of quality at this point. I try to always keep the conversation civil though, and honestly so do most people I've interacted with on here.
Because it's not what I want from this game. If I wanted to interact with other people in a simulation game, I'd play the games that already do that.
I cannot express how much I enjoy the complete and utter control I have in the Sims. That's the entire point. It's entire inspiration. I don't want other people's Sims in my game, I don't want their drama, I don't want sketchy weirdos (bad past multiplayer game experiences). I want to play by myself. I want it to be my creation. Sometimes I want to play with friends--huddled around a single laptop having great fun that way. Under 0 circumstances do I want to have my game open to every Bob, Tom, and Harry who plays the Sims. I will stop playing entirely. Wouldn't buy it, not even to try.
People jump to a lot of conclusions. Nobody said it would be forced multiplayer. Nobody said it would be micro tansaction based. This negative attitude and mob mentality killed Olympus without anyone getting to see what it could be. But i think it would be awesome if i could invite people on my friendlist to my lots and vise versa. This community is like that though. Literally no other game community is this accusatory and demanding
they had proper play testing before sims 4 was released. there was a quote in a gaming magazine about a year ago, cant remember the name of the magazine, but they interviewed a few sim producers.
consensus was: they liked the multiplayer capability but they disliked the fact that there was no single player experience that a traditional sims title has.
smart move on Maxis's part to get rid of it. it was not negative attitude and mob mentality that killed it, it was just the usual play testing consensus and seeing what happened to simcity 2013 unfold at the same time.
People jump to a lot of conclusions. Nobody said it would be forced multiplayer. Nobody said it would be micro tansaction based. This negative attitude and mob mentality killed Olympus without anyone getting to see what it could be. But i think it would be awesome if i could invite people on my friendlist to my lots and vise versa. This community is like that though. Literally no other game community is this accusatory and demanding
I hope it is online so I can say goodbye forever. This is the last EA game I am playing and have said goodbye to the others because of their failure to execute. It is good you still have faith in it but I have been gaming with this company long enough to know how it works. It is not like we are pulling stuff out of thin air. Look at Anthem, look at SimsOnline from back in the day, look at what happened to SimsCity and all the server issues, all the drama with the StarWars battlefront lootboxes....it is clear they have not learned any lessons. They have a track record so why wouldn't we come up with conclusions based on what we have seen already. Belgium has banned lootboxes and EA was front and center on that scandal sooooooo yeah. The concerns seem pretty logical to me.
I think people call a spade a spade in the gaming world. If the game is good they praise, if it is crap they let them know. Fallout 76(Bethesda) is sitting at a nice 2.7 User score and I have heard that people are very upset with that game and Bethesda in general. EA can't even learn a lesson from Bethesda's bring a single player game online fiasco. The Sims is a spec in the gaming world and people speak up when the quality is not there. I personally think simmers let these developers put out crap and we keep buying it. That doesn't happen with other games LOL. Anyway Good luck and be careful what you wish for.
People jump to a lot of conclusions. Nobody said it would be forced multiplayer. Nobody said it would be micro tansaction based. This negative attitude and mob mentality killed Olympus without anyone getting to see what it could be. But i think it would be awesome if i could invite people on my friendlist to my lots and vise versa. This community is like that though. Literally no other game community is this accusatory and demanding
In recent years, EA has turned nearly every game (and series) under its umbrella into a multiplayer, always online “live service” (usually with a half hearted single player campaign) and stuffed them to the gills with microtransactions to make BILLIONS of dollars each quarter. It is not a far jump to assume that if they make the next Sims game multiplayer, we’d end up with the same result.
Furthermore, Olympus was canned because of the poor reception of SimCity 2013. EA themselves killed it. There were no negative attitudes, nor was there a mob. That’s false.
“No other game community is this accusatory and demanding.”? Not sure how accusatory applies here, seeing as this is the speculation and rumor section. And demanding? Have you met FIFA fans? Call of Duty fans? CSGO fans? Star Wars Battlefront fans? That’s where it really gets rough (of course not everyone). Everyone in this thread is voicing their opinions in a civil manner. I’d say it’s a walk in the park compared to what I’ve seen in forums for other games.
“No other game community is this accusatory and demanding.”? Not sure how accusatory applies here, seeing as this is the speculation and rumor section. And demanding? Have you met FIFA fans? Call of Duty fans? CSGO fans? Star Wars Battlefront fans? That’s where it really gets rough (of course not everyone). Everyone in this thread is voicing their opinions in a civil manner. I’d say it’s a walk in the park compared to what I’ve seen in forums for other games.
This is what I was thinking. Call of Duty players are known for SWATing and r*pe/death threats to players and developers. We're opinionated cause we're dedicated but the worst thing I've seen is some snark.
That being said, I don't have to "wait and hear them out" to know multiplayer is a bad idea and something the vast majority of Simmers do not want for a variety of reasons.
Considering how cross-platform compatibility was a priority lately with TS4, that makes me wonder if/how the release of next gens consoles will affect the next Sims game development.
Because the game is complicated enough as it is, with the updates and all. Even if they changed content add-ons to be micro-transactions (which would be a nightmare), it would be complicated to play with someone who doesn't have the content you bought... etc. And that's just for objects. What if you had to purchase worlds or access to a lot where there's an event. There would be little to no people there because not everyone bought it. That's how I imagine it in 'the sims' at least. I even think that if they added the option to build with a friend or collaborate, it would get old after a while and you'd just want to play alone afterward.
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Considering how cross-platform compatibility was a priority lately with TS4, that makes me wonder if/how the release of next gens consoles will affect the next Sims game development.
Sony is just being smart. Focusing on strong narrative driven single player game is how Bioware became what it WAS and it is how CD Project Red will pick up and carry the torch. EA took Bioware's strong narrative driven single player games and made them a mess by wasting development time on multiplayer...Mass Effect Andromeda anyone? Anthem started multiplayer and then they tried to add a strong narrative LOL well we see how that went. Even Mass Effect 3 had a lot of backlash over the ending that could have been deeper had they not wasted time on multiplayer. You could not even get the best ending if you did not participate in the multiplayer which was absurd.
Now they will make Sims a mess by putting it online...
I personally would not play a multiplayer Sims 5 for many reasons. Multiplayer/online games in general tend to have a lot of kinks. Like people have said before Sims is a complex game. There are tons of elements and getting everything translated to multiplayer compatibility would just not be worth it, especially considering how small the community FOR multiplayer seems to be. I enjoy being in complete control of my own stories. I have no interest in having a Sim "relationship" with someone that could literally be anyone, even a child. Plus the online community in multiplayer games can get hostile and take all the fun out of it. I'd hate to see this game turn toxic like other games that I've played that have online/multiplayer mode.
But, I have to say, players opinions are actually more important than his. Players pay for the game and keep the franchise going. If the numbers for multiplayer are high enough, then they can run with that. But if they aren't, the game will sink and die like SimCity 2013.
I'm for an online feature like the gallery where simmers can share their creations. Like what we already have but taking it even further. Instead of ugly random townies the game could use maxis curated Sims that other players made; outfits; furniture; and so on.
However I do NOT want to play my game online. I want to tell my story without interruptions. I don't want to deal with trolls and griefers. I don't want to depend on other players to progress in the game. I don't want my game to turn into a contest of popularity.
I use the game as a little escape where I'm in control telling my own little story. I don't want to deal with frustration in my game. We already have enough bugs lol That's all.
I'm for an online feature like the gallery where simmers can share their creations. Like what we already have but taking it even further. Instead of ugly random townies the game could use maxis curated Sims that other players made; outfits; furniture; and so on.
I'd like something like this too but that's the most I'd want. I'm sure the other sims created by users would be so much better than the Maxis ones.
I'm an old time Simmer and probably in the minority but I have *always* wanted a multiplayer feature for The Sims. Not the Online, "anyone can come and mess up my game" type of deal, but being able to play with your friends would really be awesome.
Now, I think there are other approaches future Sims games could take outside of multiplayer but I wouldn't mind it - if done properly. And by properly I mean more like Animal Crossing and Minecraft vs The Sims Online and WoW.
I'm an old time Simmer and probably in the minority but I have *always* wanted a multiplayer feature for The Sims. Not the Online, "anyone can come and mess up my game" type of deal, but being able to play with your friends would really be awesome.
Now, I think there are other approaches future Sims games could take outside of multiplayer but I wouldn't mind it - if done properly. And by properly I mean more like Animal Crossing and Minecraft vs The Sims Online and WoW.
While I see what you mean, Minecraft is a terrible example. Until the console ports came out, you needed to use a modified version of the server software and a ton of plugins if you didn't want people coming along and destroying or stealing your players hard earned stuff. Even making a server private was no guarantee of that not happening without all that.
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I'd hear their idea out of course, but to a large extent what makes the sims fun for me doesn't make sense - or even work - in a multiplayer situation. Mods for example are a big part of how I play. Customising the game with cc objects/clothes and using script mods to make it behave how I want. Multiplayer would limit or rule out a lot of these options.
We're not completely isolated in our current game play though - I love the gallery.
Personally? I've no faith in their ability to create a fun, fleshed out experience in single and multiplayer. They can't even do it for this game and many games have at least one experience suffer. Between EA's track record and all of the numerous criticisms of TS4 with the Sims series noticable dip in quality and content with every passing game... multiplayer is an awful idea.
No. But it doesn't matter. To have a satisfying single player Sims experience you need things you cannot have with a multiplayer game, so things would be left out.
EA hasn't said anything one way or another about it. I think people are afraid this is the way it will go because it has drifted that general direction.
From what I understand, no one knew anything about Olympus until after Sims 4 came out. People didn't want Simcity to be online only, so that game flopped. Then other online Sims games didn't do well, because most Simmers don't have any desire to play Sims the way those games were set up. EA looked at the results of those failed experiments and made the decision themselves to pull the plug on Olympus. And it's a good thing they did. Did you miss the controversy and backlash that was everywhere when Sims 4 came out? So many things were missing that had been in other games (because it was supposed to be online). It has taken them years to even get close to where players expected the game to be after 1-3. I've always been of the opinion that when they scrapped Olympus, they should have started over, not turned it into Sims 4. But, it is what it is.
I don't know whether that is true or not, I don't play other games. Maybe I'll ask my kids. But, I do know I've been playing Sims for 20 years. Right or wrong, that makes me feel entitled to a certain level of quality at this point. I try to always keep the conversation civil though, and honestly so do most people I've interacted with on here.
I cannot express how much I enjoy the complete and utter control I have in the Sims. That's the entire point. It's entire inspiration. I don't want other people's Sims in my game, I don't want their drama, I don't want sketchy weirdos (bad past multiplayer game experiences). I want to play by myself. I want it to be my creation. Sometimes I want to play with friends--huddled around a single laptop having great fun that way. Under 0 circumstances do I want to have my game open to every Bob, Tom, and Harry who plays the Sims. I will stop playing entirely. Wouldn't buy it, not even to try.
they had proper play testing before sims 4 was released. there was a quote in a gaming magazine about a year ago, cant remember the name of the magazine, but they interviewed a few sim producers.
consensus was: they liked the multiplayer capability but they disliked the fact that there was no single player experience that a traditional sims title has.
smart move on Maxis's part to get rid of it. it was not negative attitude and mob mentality that killed it, it was just the usual play testing consensus and seeing what happened to simcity 2013 unfold at the same time.
I hope it is online so I can say goodbye forever. This is the last EA game I am playing and have said goodbye to the others because of their failure to execute. It is good you still have faith in it but I have been gaming with this company long enough to know how it works. It is not like we are pulling stuff out of thin air. Look at Anthem, look at SimsOnline from back in the day, look at what happened to SimsCity and all the server issues, all the drama with the StarWars battlefront lootboxes....it is clear they have not learned any lessons. They have a track record so why wouldn't we come up with conclusions based on what we have seen already. Belgium has banned lootboxes and EA was front and center on that scandal sooooooo yeah. The concerns seem pretty logical to me.
I think people call a spade a spade in the gaming world. If the game is good they praise, if it is crap they let them know. Fallout 76(Bethesda) is sitting at a nice 2.7 User score and I have heard that people are very upset with that game and Bethesda in general. EA can't even learn a lesson from Bethesda's bring a single player game online fiasco. The Sims is a spec in the gaming world and people speak up when the quality is not there. I personally think simmers let these developers put out crap and we keep buying it. That doesn't happen with other games LOL. Anyway Good luck and be careful what you wish for.
In recent years, EA has turned nearly every game (and series) under its umbrella into a multiplayer, always online “live service” (usually with a half hearted single player campaign) and stuffed them to the gills with microtransactions to make BILLIONS of dollars each quarter. It is not a far jump to assume that if they make the next Sims game multiplayer, we’d end up with the same result.
Furthermore, Olympus was canned because of the poor reception of SimCity 2013. EA themselves killed it. There were no negative attitudes, nor was there a mob. That’s false.
“No other game community is this accusatory and demanding.”? Not sure how accusatory applies here, seeing as this is the speculation and rumor section. And demanding? Have you met FIFA fans? Call of Duty fans? CSGO fans? Star Wars Battlefront fans? That’s where it really gets rough (of course not everyone). Everyone in this thread is voicing their opinions in a civil manner. I’d say it’s a walk in the park compared to what I’ve seen in forums for other games.
This is what I was thinking. Call of Duty players are known for SWATing and r*pe/death threats to players and developers. We're opinionated cause we're dedicated but the worst thing I've seen is some snark.
That being said, I don't have to "wait and hear them out" to know multiplayer is a bad idea and something the vast majority of Simmers do not want for a variety of reasons.
Considering how cross-platform compatibility was a priority lately with TS4, that makes me wonder if/how the release of next gens consoles will affect the next Sims game development.
Sony is just being smart. Focusing on strong narrative driven single player game is how Bioware became what it WAS and it is how CD Project Red will pick up and carry the torch. EA took Bioware's strong narrative driven single player games and made them a mess by wasting development time on multiplayer...Mass Effect Andromeda anyone? Anthem started multiplayer and then they tried to add a strong narrative LOL well we see how that went. Even Mass Effect 3 had a lot of backlash over the ending that could have been deeper had they not wasted time on multiplayer. You could not even get the best ending if you did not participate in the multiplayer which was absurd.
Now they will make Sims a mess by putting it online...
I haven't seen anything from actual developers, but they develop what they're told to develop, not what they want. Here's something from the CEO http:/https://techradar.com/news/the-sims-for-a-new-generation-could-have-multiplayer
There's a few other articles reporting on the same interview.
But, I have to say, players opinions are actually more important than his. Players pay for the game and keep the franchise going. If the numbers for multiplayer are high enough, then they can run with that. But if they aren't, the game will sink and die like SimCity 2013.
However I do NOT want to play my game online. I want to tell my story without interruptions. I don't want to deal with trolls and griefers. I don't want to depend on other players to progress in the game. I don't want my game to turn into a contest of popularity.
I use the game as a little escape where I'm in control telling my own little story. I don't want to deal with frustration in my game. We already have enough bugs lol That's all.
I'd like something like this too but that's the most I'd want. I'm sure the other sims created by users would be so much better than the Maxis ones.
No doubt!
Now, I think there are other approaches future Sims games could take outside of multiplayer but I wouldn't mind it - if done properly. And by properly I mean more like Animal Crossing and Minecraft vs The Sims Online and WoW.
While I see what you mean, Minecraft is a terrible example. Until the console ports came out, you needed to use a modified version of the server software and a ton of plugins if you didn't want people coming along and destroying or stealing your players hard earned stuff. Even making a server private was no guarantee of that not happening without all that.