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Traits are broken and we all need to admit it
Wulfsimmer
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The whole traits system needs to be reworked and updated in a patch.
Most of them are not actually traits (vegetarian, cat-lover, etc...) and we shouldn't sacrifice a slot out of the already limited 3 slots for such a little preference. It's really flawed in that way.
For the other traits that do affect personality, they are mostly just...moodlets. That's it. I miss traits that affect the sims themselves and those around themself. As of now, they, for the majority, only affect them. Jealousy needs to be more severe and cause actual trouble in the relationship. Clumsiness should cause an occasional fall over another sim during a conversation and result in either a positive or negative reaction. You can get my point with these two quick examples.
Make a seperate section in CAS for preferences and leave room for actual traits to be used. These traits need to actually show through observing the sim when interacting with them rather than through a notification. The Sims 3, in my personal opinion, had the best traits. The sims were actually distinct.
For my last request, we should be forced to pick a negative trait of different severity for at least one sim in a household when first starting a game (for example: ranging from, arguably, snobbish to evil). Same for childs with bad grades (tbh, I forgot if this is an actual thing in TS4. It was in TS3 at least.)
Most of them are not actually traits (vegetarian, cat-lover, etc...) and we shouldn't sacrifice a slot out of the already limited 3 slots for such a little preference. It's really flawed in that way.
For the other traits that do affect personality, they are mostly just...moodlets. That's it. I miss traits that affect the sims themselves and those around themself. As of now, they, for the majority, only affect them. Jealousy needs to be more severe and cause actual trouble in the relationship. Clumsiness should cause an occasional fall over another sim during a conversation and result in either a positive or negative reaction. You can get my point with these two quick examples.
Make a seperate section in CAS for preferences and leave room for actual traits to be used. These traits need to actually show through observing the sim when interacting with them rather than through a notification. The Sims 3, in my personal opinion, had the best traits. The sims were actually distinct.
For my last request, we should be forced to pick a negative trait of different severity for at least one sim in a household when first starting a game (for example: ranging from, arguably, snobbish to evil). Same for childs with bad grades (tbh, I forgot if this is an actual thing in TS4. It was in TS3 at least.)
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My personal hope is that they do something much better in sims 5, utilising some of the good bits from sims 2 and 3.
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I agree with this. I want hot headed Sims to have trouble making & maintaining relationships, the same with mean ones. Sims who hate kids should genuinely seem to dislike them and so on. Right now everyone seems overtly happy 90% of the time.
But something inbetween the rest and the jealous would be nice. I like how the vegetarian one makes sims feel sick though and I like to see my compassinoate sim feel bad when being mean. But more would be nice.
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I started playing Ted Roswell, who is Paranoid, and I love the idle animation that comes with that. The trait funnels into a "Tense" moodlet which like so many other traits, but there are a couple of new interactions. I just wish the new interactions had new animations with them as well (for example, the "Share Conspiracy Theory" animation is exactly the same as another interaction, and they could have picked a better animation in my opinion).
I would like to see more Evil whims as well, Evil is not evil enough I think. Genius is another one that outside of the Focused moodlet, doesn't do a whole lot. Now -- if they added the ability the Inventor ability like in Sims 3, then tied an Invention station to the Genius trait, that would be... well... genius!
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Exactly my point. Why would you ever pick a negative trait? There is no incentive. Being forced to do so would spice things up, just like vampires. Again, it would only affect one sim from the entire household.
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Isn't "spicing things up" the incentive then? I don't understand why anyone would want to be forced to do something compared to having the choice to.
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I also refuse to buy the vampires pack, I don't want it. People pick negative traits because they want their sims to have stories where it would do it, or they like to play the bad guy, or they just want a trait that seems realistically bad... I don't want anyone in my household to have it so if they forced us to have negative traits I just buy the game haha! Why would I play a game where I was forced to play a way I didn't want to? I seen lots of people say they play with negative traits on purpose because they like to. Having the choice is perfect for people that want to or don't.
I mean some of that is in the game, like an evil sin will get a happy mood but anytime somebody else is sad. But yeah they could do a bit more with them
vegetarian should be part of the Favourites, within favorite foods.
I don't get his point. If WE are complaining, there is a problem there. They should lsiten to us and give us something we are paying for. argh. If the traits seem to merge together is because Sims 4 traits are bad developed, look at sims 3. omg.
Maybe they should rework the trait slot entirely, forcing you to choose one trait that changes your sims general emotion, another one that helps your sim in a certain skill (like natural talent or something like that), one that changes a sim behaviour (like the paranoid one that your sim is always suspicious of something lurking behind their backs), one that helps social interaction in different ways (like Romance, Self-Absorbed... etc...). and more things like that.
I agree with your idea of a negative trait as well... Nobody is perfect. Maybe, jsut as an example, i could create a sim that is jsut romantic, like in real love or something, but he's a little bit gloomy. Or, I could totally end up creating a Don Lothario kinda guy by choosing his bad trait as non-commital. That's how one trait should affect the other.
@SimGuruGrant Then, here it is... Thats what i think would work the best.
Meanwhile The Sims 4 has 3 personality traits + 1 booster trait and at first my opinion was that yes, it is an improvement to have 3 strong traits instead of 5 weak traits, but now The Sims 4 is getting full of "Cat Lover" traits as well. I never use Cat Lover, Dog Lover or Vegetarian because I always feel like those are taking the place of a REAL trait.
Well, right now The Sims 4 traits has many traits which are really, REALLY weak, Bookworm by instance, all it does is add yet another way to gain a Inspired moodlet and that's all, really, JUST IT, because the two social interactions it adds are flavor only, it's just chatting with another name.
Not all Traits are badly done, I like the new one, Paranoid, really, if every trait in the game right now would be as good as Paranoid then that would be an huge improvement already. You can tell if a Sim is paranoid just by observing his in-game behavior, that's the baseline the developers should follow with the traits.