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Colton147147 · May 2015

As the title says...

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Astro · May 2015

It can't be!

WhimsyMoon · May 2015

Wow.....I think my mind just blew a fuse......

Colton147147 · May 2015

Hawkgirl wrote: »

Popcorn! Getchur popcorn here!

*eats all your popcorn* NOM!

xBob18 · May 2015

We just need the team from TS2 back. I couldn't care less about Will Wright. TS2 was better than TS1 by x1000 and he wasn't involved in that one.

drake_mccarty · May 2015

Let me squash this right here, Will Wright did not work on The Sims Bustin' Out. I never thought he did, and after looking up the credits for the game (which are available online) he is not listed anywhere. He was involved with the original Sims. I'm not sure where the poster you quoted got his info, but it's not correct and should not be used as a basis for any kind of argument.

The Sims 4 doesn't represent Will Wright in any form other than using the trademarked game title he created. We can't say Will was interested in anything more than life simulation in general. He was also not involved with production of The Sims 2, which is widely regarded as the best entry in the franchise. A great game comes from a great team who have one uniform vision to deliver a great product. What we are seeing in The Sims 4 is a series of conflicting visions stuck together with tape and glue trying to accomplish different things.

ETA: Here are the credits for The Sims Bustin' Out. I figured maybe Will would be mentioned in Special Thanks, but he is not. Which says he had no interaction with the development of this game in any way.

http://www.mobygames.com/game/ps2/sims-bustin-out_/credits

husseinandali · May 2015

Also in the same thread you can see him in a video playing and loving SIM city before it launched it just feels so true to me
http://forums.thesims.com/en_US/discussion/comment/13674736#Comment_13674736

Colton147147 · May 2015

xBob18 wrote: »

We just need the team from TS2 back. I couldn't care less about Will Wright. TS2 was better than TS1 by x1000 and he wasn't involved in that one.

There are a couple left SimGurus that are left that have worked on both the Sims 1 and the Sims 2 (@SimGuruLyndsay and @SimGuruShannon for example...).

catmando830 · May 2015

Colton147147 wrote: »

I found this comment a few minutes ago in the Off-Topic section and found it very interesting...

jackjack_k wrote: »

Will is more impressed with how players can create, he isn't very interested in Family Play. None of his games (The Sims + The Sims Bustin Out) focused on Families to the extent that Sims 2 + Sims 3 did.
He would probably praise the new Build Tools, and praise CAS.

Will Wright worked on The Sims Bustin Out, before leaving. The Sims Bustin Out was a game focused on completing career and life goals, which is what The Sims 4 is built on. Will Wright stepped out of development for The Sims 2, as it no longer interested him (at the time) and he wanted to work on a different game (Spore).

So basically, The Sims 4 is really where Will Wright left off with The Sims Bustin Out.

And it was moved to Off Topic for a reason - it's Off Topic.

xBob18 · May 2015

Colton147147 wrote: »

xBob18 wrote: »

We just need the team from TS2 back. I couldn't care less about Will Wright. TS2 was better than TS1 by x1000 and he wasn't involved in that one.

There are a couple left SimGurus that are left that have worked on both the Sims 1 and the Sims 2 (@SimGuruLyndsay and @SimGuruShannon for example...).

I am aware of that. The problem is that it's just not obvious considering the current state of TS4.

CapraCorn104 · May 2015

xBob18 wrote: »

Colton147147 wrote: »

xBob18 wrote: »

We just need the team from TS2 back. I couldn't care less about Will Wright. TS2 was better than TS1 by x1000 and he wasn't involved in that one.

There are a couple left SimGurus that are left that have worked on both the Sims 1 and the Sims 2 (@SimGuruLyndsay and @SimGuruShannon for example...).

I am aware of that. The problem is that it's just not obvious considering the current state of TS4.

The developers can only work with what they're given with. If the planning & design for the game from the higher-ups is plum, then it all goes downhill from there. I still find Sims 4 enjoyable, I just know it could be better.

king_of_simcity7 · May 2015

Can I say something?

Will Wright didn't want The Sims to be just about families, he didn't just want it to be about singles, he didn't want it to be just about builder either, he wanted the players to choose what to do with their Sims, he wanted it to be about different play styles.

No one had really done this before but they continued that in TS2 & Ts3.

It has somewhat stopped in TS4 though, which goes to show, for 14 and a half years, Will Wright's vision was successful.

As for the new 'vision' I must be short sighted as I just can't see it!

*goes back into hiding*

CharityHope · May 2015

No one knows what Will Wright would or wouldn't do now. Only Mr. Wright himself could tell you that. Anything else is pure speculation and conjecture.

drake_mccarty · May 2015

CharityHope wrote: »

No one knows what Will Wright would or wouldn't do now. Only Mr. Wright himself could tell you that. Anything else is pure speculation and conjecture.

This completely. What we do know is that Will is no longer interested in the simulation genre. He has moved on to other projects outside of Maxis and EA. The Sims 2 - 4 were all products of EA and the respective teams working on them, not Will Wrights vision.

Mollypup9 · May 2015

king_of_simcity7 wrote: »

Can I say something?

Will Wright didn't want The Sims to be just about families, he didn't just want it to be about singles, he didn't want it to be just about builder either, he wanted the players to choose what to do with their Sims, he wanted it to be about different play styles.

No one had really done this before but they continued that in TS2 & Ts3.

It has somewhat stopped in TS4 though, which goes to show, for 14 and a half years, Will Wright's vision was successful.

As for the new 'vision' I must be short sighted as I just can't see it!

*goes back into hiding*

This.

Will Wright's formula worked. Either deliberately or accidentally he found the perfect formula for a sandbox life simulator. It was a balance that included an exceptionally wide range of audience and appealed to an unheard of wide range of age groups. (still unheard of actually)

You have problems is when there is no more balance..........the formula has been altered. In TS4 it has been not only altered, but changed quite a bit. There is no balance in TS4 either deliberately or accidentally. Builders and creators are extremely limited. Play styles are restricted to one degree or another.

Will created the sims then he moved on. I will forever be grateful but it doesn't mean we should put him up on some sort of pedestal. He moved on after TS1 because he felt the series should not have sequels. So there you go. Perhaps this is why. The team he left behind still loved the sims and created TS2 the best of the best. Teams change. Management changes. The more time passes the more that happens. Visions get lost.

Devs only do what their bosses tell them to do. Bosses set the guidelines. If they want the game to go a certain way......it will be made a certain way, whether devs agree or not.

king_of_simcity7 · May 2015

Mollypup9 wrote: »

king_of_simcity7 wrote: »

Can I say something?

Will Wright didn't want The Sims to be just about families, he didn't just want it to be about singles, he didn't want it to be just about builder either, he wanted the players to choose what to do with their Sims, he wanted it to be about different play styles.

No one had really done this before but they continued that in TS2 & Ts3.

It has somewhat stopped in TS4 though, which goes to show, for 14 and a half years, Will Wright's vision was successful.

As for the new 'vision' I must be short sighted as I just can't see it!

*goes back into hiding*

This.

Will Wright's formula worked. Either deliberately or accidentally he found the perfect formula for a sandbox life simulator. It was a balance that included an exceptionally wide range of audience and appealed to an unheard of wide range of age groups. (still unheard of actually)

You have problems is when there is no more balance..........the formula has been altered. In TS4 it has been not only altered, but changed quite a bit. There is no balance in TS4 either deliberately or accidentally. Builders and creators are extremely limited. Play styles are restricted to one degree or another.

Will created the sims then he moved on. I will forever be grateful but it doesn't mean we should put him up on some sort of pedestal. He moved on after TS1 because he felt the series should not have sequels. So there you go. Perhaps this is why. The team he left behind still loved the sims and created TS2 the best of the best. Teams change. Management changes. The more time passes the more that happens. Visions get lost.

Devs only do what their bosses tell them to do. Bosses set the guidelines. If they want the game to go a certain way......it will be made a certain way, whether devs agree or not.

Good reply!

I think he moved on because 'his work was done' and maybe felt he could never do it all the second time like he did the first time yet, the following two games where good as they followed his vision.

leo3487 · May 2015

Mollypup9 wrote: »

king_of_simcity7 wrote: »

Can I say something?

Will Wright didn't want The Sims to be just about families, he didn't just want it to be about singles, he didn't want it to be just about builder either, he wanted the players to choose what to do with their Sims, he wanted it to be about different play styles.

No one had really done this before but they continued that in TS2 & Ts3.

It has somewhat stopped in TS4 though, which goes to show, for 14 and a half years, Will Wright's vision was successful.

As for the new 'vision' I must be short sighted as I just can't see it!

*goes back into hiding*

This.

Will Wright's formula worked. Either deliberately or accidentally he found the perfect formula for a sandbox life simulator. It was a balance that included an exceptionally wide range of audience and appealed to an unheard of wide range of age groups. (still unheard of actually)

You have problems is when there is no more balance..........the formula has been altered. In TS4 it has been not only altered, but changed quite a bit. There is no balance in TS4 either deliberately or accidentally. Builders and creators are extremely limited. Play styles are restricted to one degree or another.

Will created the sims then he moved on. I will forever be grateful but it doesn't mean we should put him up on some sort of pedestal. He moved on after TS1 because he felt the series should not have sequels. So there you go. Perhaps this is why. The team he left behind still loved the sims and created TS2 the best of the best. Teams change. Management changes. The more time passes the more that happens. Visions get lost.

Devs only do what their bosses tell them to do. Bosses set the guidelines. If they want the game to go a certain way......it will be made a certain way, whether devs agree or not.

Bosses changed from TS2 -> TS3 -> TS4?

king_of_simcity7 · May 2015

leo3487 wrote: »

king_of_simcity7 wrote: »

Can I say something?

Will Wright didn't want The Sims to be just about families, he didn't just want it to be about singles, he didn't want it to be just about builder either, he wanted the players to choose what to do with their Sims, he wanted it to be about different play styles.

No one had really done this before but they continued that in TS2 & Ts3.

It has somewhat stopped in TS4 though, which goes to show, for 14 and a half years, Will Wright's vision was successful.

As for the new 'vision' I must be short sighted as I just can't see it!

*goes back into hiding*

Bosses changed from TS2 -> TS3 -> TS4?

Yes, bosses changed but the vision was the same

leo3487 · May 2015

king_of_simcity7 wrote: »

leo3487 wrote: »

king_of_simcity7 wrote: »

Can I say something?

Will Wright didn't want The Sims to be just about families, he didn't just want it to be about singles, he didn't want it to be just about builder either, he wanted the players to choose what to do with their Sims, he wanted it to be about different play styles.

No one had really done this before but they continued that in TS2 & Ts3.

It has somewhat stopped in TS4 though, which goes to show, for 14 and a half years, Will Wright's vision was successful.

As for the new 'vision' I must be short sighted as I just can't see it!

*goes back into hiding*

Bosses changed from TS2 -> TS3 -> TS4?

Yes, bosses changed but the vision was the same

I wanted reply to @Mollypup9 but thanks

As she said Team loved The Sims and continued it, but also said Devs do what their bosses tell to them. Sounded as team as going from one boss to another

king_of_simcity7 · May 2015

leo3487 wrote: »

king_of_simcity7 wrote: »

leo3487 wrote: »

king_of_simcity7 wrote: »

Can I say something?

Will Wright didn't want The Sims to be just about families, he didn't just want it to be about singles, he didn't want it to be just about builder either, he wanted the players to choose what to do with their Sims, he wanted it to be about different play styles.

No one had really done this before but they continued that in TS2 & Ts3.

It has somewhat stopped in TS4 though, which goes to show, for 14 and a half years, Will Wright's vision was successful.

As for the new 'vision' I must be short sighted as I just can't see it!

*goes back into hiding*

Bosses changed from TS2 -> TS3 -> TS4?

Yes, bosses changed but the vision was the same

I wanted reply to @Mollypup9 but thanks

As she said Team loved The Sims and continued it, but also said Devs do what their bosses tell to them. Sounded as team as going from one boss to another

I guess the reason why many devs left is because, they knew what is best for The Sims but the 'higher ups' don't and there was conflict at the studio?

TheMomminator · May 2015

I started playing long after Will Wright exited the scene so I don't have much reverence for him. In fact in the last interview I read with him, he talked about Simmers wanting to take their sims with them on vacation and whatnot. It was just weird.

With that in mind I say, "Who cares what his vision was/is?". If he cared about what happened with the game, he would have stayed with it. As it was, he sold it and walked away fat and happy. I wish him well but his vision hasn't been relevant for 10 years or more.

king_of_simcity7 · May 2015

TheMomminator wrote: »

I started playing long after Will Wright exited the scene so I don't have much reverence for him. In fact in the last interview I read with him, he talked about Simmers wanting to take their sims with them on vacation and whatnot. It was just weird.

With that in mind I say, "Who cares what his vision was/is?". If he cared about what happened with the game, he would have stayed with it. As it was, he sold it and walked away fat and happy. I wish him well but his vision hasn't been relevant for 10 years or more.

Who wouldn't want to go away with their Sims? lol

Rflong7 · May 2015

You're quoting someone who is presuming to know what someone else said/did about a console game? Niiiiice.

jimmysnan · May 2015

In this article Will Wright was thinking about architecture and building a home and also about family life. That's what I read from it Here is the link...http://www.berkeleyside.com/2011/10/17/will-wright-inspired-to-make-the-sims-after-iosing-a-home/

I am replying to posts on here who said it was not about building or about family life. It is as @king _of _simcity7 said, he wanted it to be all of this and more!

This interested me also http://www.mobygames.com/developer/sheet/view/developerId,4217/

This one was interesting also. http://www.will-wright.com/willshistory11.php

LeGardePourpre · May 2015

Colton147147 wrote: »

I found this comment a few minutes ago in the Off-Topic section and found it very interesting...

jackjack_k wrote: »

Will is more impressed with how players can create, he isn't very interested in Family Play. None of his games (The Sims + The Sims Bustin Out) focused on Families to the extent that Sims 2 + Sims 3 did.
He would probably praise the new Build Tools, and praise CAS.

Will Wright worked on The Sims Bustin Out, before leaving. The Sims Bustin Out was a game focused on completing career and life goals, which is what The Sims 4 is built on. Will Wright stepped out of development for The Sims 2, as it no longer interested him (at the time) and he wanted to work on a different game (Spore).

So basically, The Sims 4 is really where Will Wright left off with The Sims Bustin Out.

It's normal.

Will Wright's Maxis, each time a new game :

1989 : SimCity
1992 : SimEarth
1992 : SimLife
1993 : SimAnt
1993 : SimCity 2000
1994 : SimHealth
1995 : SimIsle
1995 : SimTower
1995 : SimCopter
1997 : Streets of SimCity

EA Maxis, only The Sims and SimCity :

2000 : The Sims
1999 : SimCity 3000
2002 : The Sims Online
2003 : SimCity 4
2004 : The Sims 2
2008 : Spore
2009 : The Sims 3
2011 : DarkSpore
2013 : SimCity
2014 : The Sims 4

Will Wright's Maxis always brought a new experience when EA Maxis tries to maintain the successful games.

If Will Wright's Maxis was still here today, The Sims 3 and The Sims 4 would never exist.

EA is like Ubisoft, Capcom and the other publishers, they sing your favorite song until you hate it.

Gnarl_Lee · May 2015

I cant find a single solitary reason to care

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