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Pet's can't gain relationship between them: is this a fact?
Dijktafone
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[edit]Thanks to simmers who poitnted out that, in fact, a relationship between pets exists in the game data, though invisible for the player. The final question being the opening one: Do their interactions ameliorates or worsen this relationship.
As for the final edition, Fellow simmer Neia stated in the forelast post that, indeed, relations can change overtime. Though, consider that if you don't use the mod which makes pets controlable, their relationship has all the chances to stay on the initial track.
As for the final edition, Fellow simmer Neia stated in the forelast post that, indeed, relations can change overtime. Though, consider that if you don't use the mod which makes pets controlable, their relationship has all the chances to stay on the initial track.
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This. Exactly this.
Race Against the Clock: Can your elder sim turn back the clock before their time runs out?
I could replicate it with a pet having no pet relationships. I guess for this aspiration, from the pet perspective, the human is considered a pet?
Ugh, yes! That is true actually! But I had a relationship between Dogs established where I had more Options unlocked in the process so I think there must be some Kind of Progress.
However, as I wrote yesterday: Relationship-Culling (maintaining a certain Level of Performance) might be the reason why pets might work differently here. So maybe it's a design-decision backed up by making pets not controllable so the Player has no insights on what's going on. I dunno. Everytthing just speculation on my part.
That's what I thought too when I gave my pet the animal aspiration. The programming might just count any relationship with humans to count, because it wasn't meant to be assigned to pets
Race Against the Clock: Can your elder sim turn back the clock before their time runs out?
They do have relationships, but they don't show in the Panel. Pets weren't designed to use any part of the UI, so we cannot use that for anything.
However, parts of the game register Pets relationships, which indicates the game is keeping track of them. We just can't see them.
I'm happy and sad at the same time. I wish I could keep track of them, but I also like the realistic factor as well.
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Actually they were designed to use every part of the UI. Minus the components that clearly aren’t finished it’s honestly not too far off that pets were meant to be controllable before they ran out of time and had to create an excuse for why they weren’t playable. In all reality they are, they just aren’t finished. Like so many other parts of this pack.
I've seen nothing that suggests that. Pets are a kind of Sims in the way they were implemented, so the UI will show anything that wasn't explicitely disabled.
That is not surprising. This mod enables things that clearly were abandoned after they couldn’t be finished. Pets have relationships which is clearly indicated when you hover your mouse over one as a Sim, it will probably take additional modding to get pet relationships to show up in the panel.
Yes and no. The mod does not unlock all interactions, it seems. Some are still hidden and only get triggered autonomously.
Mhm, possibly. So maybe the mod unlocks something like a dev-tool (similar to the cheat in TS2)? Might be. But what do you think of the tooltip I posted in another thread:
It reads: "Animals wearing a collar are not able to use this objects."
"this objects" refers to the mat btw.
So instead of finishing, they disabled playable pets altogether.
Wow I’m actually mind blown right now.
All I know is it has been impossible for my pet to breed with a stray. In order to breed, I had to add the dog into my household and have my pet do the “Be Friendly To” interaction a few times. Then they could breed without issue.
When I first added them, my pet did not like the former stray at all. She would have a thought bubble with his face on it and an X. After doing the “Be Friendly To” they run around and chase each other and play. Keep in mind that interaction is only available to pets with the Friendly trait. So it’s almost like the relationships between animals was started and not finished and that’s why certain things are available now and certain aren’t. Which points to what I mentioned above.
Nah, that's still just nothing but speculation. Maybe this mod did nothing but unlock some sort of dev tool EA uses to test out how Things work in game.
They should just start a GoFundMe or KickStarter for anything they want to add in a new pack that they don’t have the money to do right away. That way if people want the feature, they can donate/support and they will add it to the game. Because this half baked nonsense is unacceptable.
And we would’ve never known it was even possible without this mod.
I think drake_mccarty may have a point about pets being designed to use the UI at some point. What's peculiar is that a lot of the UI elements for pets were translated into German. I doubt the mod did that because it's a lot of work and it would've been bigger in file size, which suggests that all of those were already in-game.
I can understand having the UI in English for debugging purposes, but localizing it into other languages suggests that the final product's UI may have been meant to be viewed at some point in production. Maybe they abandoned the idea of making the pets selectable partway. It does look like they were forced to abandon it due to constraints, rather than a deliberate design choice.
Race Against the Clock: Can your elder sim turn back the clock before their time runs out?
I'm getting this impression. The modders didn't just create an UI themselves and it seems rather counterproductive to create an UI and then not let players see it. And then people are surprised when I don't believe everything the sims team says, including the reason why they made pets not controllable. Obviously they will never admit when they run out of time/resources to do something or when the engine doesn't let them. We will never find out unless we get clues like this one that seem to indicate this might be one of those cases. I'm even starting to believe the pets clothes and walk styles that they said they added in their extra free time was actually things that were prioritized and then they lacked the time to do more important things like pet beds, let dogs sleep on sims beds, etc. I mean, couldn't they do those things on their extra free time instead? Unless they think ridiculous costumes are more important than the basics of owning a pet, like pet beds (yes, I'm still bitter about that!).
Race Against the Clock: Can your elder sim turn back the clock before their time runs out?
Hm. Try to spam the "friendly" interaction a bit longer. Eventually "introduce" will Pop up again in the Action bar at the bottom left Corner, it's Kind of just a random "friendly interaction", it seems. I noticed this when I monitored what interactions pets can use when they "talk" with each other autonomously.
This is pretty much what I was talking to another member about yesterday. In my theory, in the timeline that the devs said they "debated" on weather they should go controllable or not, they were exploring both options equally. Because..think about it..they said it themselves it took them awhile to come to a decision. With that amount of time they still had to at least explore both.
Ultimately I think once their voting overuled in favor of uncontrollable they probably decided the best way to do it was to disable this part of it. Why the whole UI? Well my guess is since they wanted to fully focus on the "owning a pet" feel, they probably felt it was unnecessary (not sure how exactly but okay) and the fact that the UI was going to need lots of work...that they also disabled that part as well (like a forgotten memory
But in the same token, there's a definite reason to why pets broke the relationship cheat. But thinking about it now...I mean think of the other things in the game that only sims can befriend that we can't really see outside of their relationship bar...dolls, the robot toliet, the baby.
I'm not trying to call the pets any of those, but in my theory, perhaps their relationship building works like there's do.
Interesting. Hasn't happened to me so far, but I've tried "improving" Mayor Whiskers' relationship with the other cat by performing friendly interactions, but it seems that mostly hostile ones are always present. The other cat can perform friendlier interactions. Maybe they simply have fixed relationships with one another.
That could be it too. If they had gone the uncontrollable route, it would've been nice if they had at least given us a UI like in Sims 2. Maybe they just thought "why bother?" if they're uncontrollable, since it does require icons for the moodlets, and a lot of writing for the pie menu and entire UI.
Race Against the Clock: Can your elder sim turn back the clock before their time runs out?
Very good Point, I've not thought about that.
I took 2 screenshots of my cat talking to another cat. As you can see at the bottom one Image is 8 minutes older than the other.
The action-bar reads:"getting introduced to".
I've been spaming the "friendly" interaction the whole time.
But you did actually ^^"
Must I be the one to tell simmers to read themselves (on a joke tone, if I must precise it)!