didn't each expansion for the sims 3 come with a little flyer inside the game box letting everybody know what the next upcoming expansion was going to be? am i dreaming of a better universe than this one where ea actually knew what they were doing or did that actually happen once upon a time?
didn't each expansion for the sims 3 come with a little flyer inside the game box letting everybody know what the next upcoming expansion was going to be? am i dreaming of a better universe than this one where ea actually knew what they were doing or did that actually happen once upon a time?
don't think all of them did... but many did come with something about next EP or SP or a store world I even saw 1 time.
that was nice
When people tell me to "just not buy" I have to shake my head. I am not buying. I bought the base and out of sheer optimism and for weeks I tried to shift my playstyle around, and find some way to love this new game... but I failed. I took longer than 24 hours to make that decision, because I desperately wanted to have a sims game that ran smoothly, and that was modern (S3 has never run well for me, even on my wildly over spec computer).
Now, nearly a year after I bought it, S4 is shelved and collecting dust. No EPs or SPs or any other P's bought. Am I meant to feel good about that? The wasted money, and the lack of sims game to play? It's totally awful! I play a hundred other games but they aren't the sims. It's unique in it's genre. It fills a creative need that other games cannot begin to offer. So no, I will not just give up and wander away from this series forever! I will stay and shout, because I believe this game can be better, if only Maxis would listen to it's fans... and I intend to give them an earfull! I doubt they will hear me, but I am certain that saying nothing will not bring change.
When people tell me to 'be patient' - after not having been able to play S3 for much of it's run - I want to scream... I've been without an updated Sims game since Sims 2! I've been sim-less for so long that I ignored the bad press and was so so so excited for Sims 4! When it came out, I was so disappointed with what I received. These last five years I could have really used an outlet, having also had a fairly tumultuous go of things over the last decade. I've been patient! For years! So please, flippant stranger, tell me when do I get to voice my frustration!? When will it be acceptable for me to be 'fed up'?
And to folks who say 'nothing is stopping me from going back to the old games': I wanted the modern stable sims game that I was so excited about before release.
TS2 - I am very visual, and as much as I love it I've been spoilt by other games and now the graphics are just not good enough anymore.
TS3 - I've revisited S3 now, after the S4 disappointment, but it's still crazy stuttery and unstable, and requires nraas mods to run. I play with a HUGE grain of salt despite the fact that it has huge technical issues that were never addressed. I am not happily playing either in the way I used to with S2, I play frustrated and spend more than half my time writing my story based on screen shots, and downloading mods. When I actually play, I have to be in a really calm mood or I will start yelling at the computer. I am not playing S3 due to nostalgia. I am playing because I love this franchise, I love this genre, and I will take what I can get. Why not take S4 then you say? Because I'd rather play a buggy mess than a mobile game, missing so much of what I loved about this series. I will not condone (read spend money on) the direction S4 is going until Maxis starts talking, and shaping that direction around community feedback.
I like what you said and there are things I wish were in the game but I can immerse myself in the world. I have been playing the sims since sims 1 and I have liked every game so far and TS4 has potential to be good and get better. I admit I was bored when it was just the base game because there was nothing really to do. But I love the game now its gorgeous I have a favorite family I play. I am happy it doesn't have the majorly complicated family tree to get all messed up like in TS3. I just miss seasons and casinos and the bowling alley. Which I can go and try to play a very laggy TS3 game for that.
..I also had people arguing "coding is hard, you try doing it and make your own game!" That's not the point. Coding is the job of the game developers. That. Is. THEIR. JOB...
Agreed.
I think we all understand that it's difficult and making animations takes a lot of time, but we just want some communication!
Why cant they just say it officially that they are-or are not, working on them?!WHY NOT?!
"Say something.... I'm giving up on you."
My mom always used to say that ignoring someone was the worst thing you could do to a person.
Exactly so. That song lyric says it all. Loved your OP, it's exactly the way I feel also. So sorry to hear about all your trials, but I'm glad to hear that you found something to help you through it.
And I desperately hope for all our sakes that this game can become what we all need it to be, but I have also decided that I'm not purchasing any additional content for it unless I see some meaningful changes. It makes me very sad, but I'm no longer optimistic about that, sorry to say.
The Sims
Where are we going, and why am I in this hand basket?!
I am happy it doesn't have the majorly complicated family tree to get all messed up like in TS3.
Uhm....gurrl? Are you sure it's not the other way round? How did family trees in TS3 get complicated...and messed up? The family trees in TS4 deletes every dead person, which also has ended up breaking ties between existing members.
On another note;
No T, no shade but this is my take on what cheerleaders think EA is doing:
There are no words to adequately describe how thankful I am for your post and how much I aredently feel the same way. This needs be given to the sims studio. Stat.
Comments like, "If you don't like it, don't buy it," are some of the most insensitive comments. My response to that is usually that I did, in fact, not buy it, but I understand why there are so many people upset over the game.
The people saying these things are some of the main people also saying, "The game has potential," or, "Give it time," and somewhere it seems it's not being understood that that's the reason people originally bought the game. They believed in the Sims 4, they gave it time (some begged for them to hold off and take their time), and they're still disappointed. They can't even get any actual word on what they're waiting on and somewhat surprisingly (at least to me) a lot of them are still waiting, which tells you just how much they love this franchise!
I'm actually at the point when where part of me is kind of forcing myself to keep up with the Sims 4 and I'm only sticking with it because I care about the Sims 5 should it come to be. But I also care about the franchise as a whole and the other simmers as well whether they like the game or not. Some folks fail to realize that those who "complain" or "whine" also care about the franchise and all simmers. They have standards, standards set by things that EAxis provided themselves in the prequels. And now suddenly they can't even provide those basics? They couldn't provide pools in the base game and they'd been around for how long?
One thing I love to do is question things. I love asking why. Most of the time I sit back, observe, and I keep my questions to myself mostly to see how things play out. Then if I'm really intrigued (which I was about the state of the Sims 4) I do research and I especially look at what they've said. And don't let me start asking the questions, because I know it'll annoy the heck out of whoever has to answer, but you're not going to beat around the bush with me if I'm that focused. I will read between lines and simplify your words and ask if that's what you mean. EA is lucky I'm rarely on twitter.
I'm still waiting to hear when production started on the Sims 4, why there were/are limited resources and what specific resources they're talking about, and what happened to all of the money from the Sims 3 and money still bought in from 2. I know some was probably reinvested into 3, but still something's not adding up. Something is off if the Olympus rumor isn't true. And instead of answering critical questions, they're ignoring people, even talking down to those who dare be critical... that really steams me. We deserve better. And that's why all the "complainers" still "waste" their time here making their voices heard.
@ApparentlyAwesome great post. Its my understanding that profits from the sims PC were siffoned into other platform projects, and also into other ea games, namely titanfall. This makes the whole "lack of resources" excuse particularly hard to swallow.
I think the maxis team is still suffering from SC13's failure; likely they do not have much leeway from EA right now. Unfortunately they have not been able to provide a great game here under EA's (and their own self imposed) limitations. It appears that they didn't learn their lesson from SC13's failure fast enough to change course on the sims.
I saw TS4 was an opportunity for the team to turn the maxis brand back around. I know it was a big task, and I sympathize, but I don't think they were up for it. They seem too slow to adjust, and too stubborn to listen to constructive feedback. With every public announcement they reveal a continued lack of understanding/enthusiasm for their own market/game. They can't afford to have that attitude, not with a limited budjet. They needed to be really focused, and not spend half their development time back peddling from olympus.
If you ask me, TS4 is a game on probation. I feel like EA was like "You guys messed up SC13, so let's see what you can make of this amount, we don't want to invest anymore than we have to into cleaning up after your studio!" ...Pure speculation of course.
Anyway whatever the reason, i agree it appears that S4 had too few resources to allow the team to correct their errors, even if they DID became aware of them at some point during development. (Big if.)
I really don't understand how saying "if you don't like it, don't buy it" is insensitive.
It seems like common sense.
Being upset about a game but continuing to buy stuff for it and then being even more upset about it ..? Why put yourself through that.
It's the implied mocking that comes with that sentence and the full knowledge there is no other sims game to run to. The sims is a tool for many simmers to cope with challenges and has been so for a decade and a half. A constant, something to rely on.
It's often the start of a judgement and personal criticism of others.
I haven't bought anything else. Doesn't mean that doesn't break my heart. It does, and it annoys me that I can still be brought to tears by the loss and ridiculousness around blaming the players for issues EA created.
@ShuffleJ: Absolutely amazing post. You have eloquently and succinctly stated what many, many simmers have been thinking and feeling. This should be emailed to every dev and exec at EA.
I really don't understand how saying "if you don't like it, don't buy it" is insensitive.
It seems like common sense.
Being upset about a game but continuing to buy stuff for it and then being even more upset about it ..? Why put yourself through that.
It's the implied mocking that comes with that sentence and the full knowledge there is no other sims game to run to. The sims is a tool for many simmers to cope with challenges and has been so for a decade and a half. A constant, something to rely on.
It's often the start of a judgement and personal criticism of others.
I haven't bought anything else. Doesn't mean that doesn't break my heart. It does, and it annoys me that I can still be brought to tears by the loss and ridiculousness around blaming the players for issues EA created.
I translate "If you don't like it, don't buy it" as "Shut up and go away." And when you read the threads where this is stated, that is exactly the gist of said posts.
> @ponderberries said: > I really don't understand how saying "if you don't like it, don't buy it" is insensitive. > > It seems like common sense. > > Being upset about a game but continuing to buy stuff for it and then being even more upset about it ..? Why put yourself through that.
Just saying you don't understand how that is insensitive tells me you say it all the time. It is usually said to dismiss a legitimate concern out of love for the game. Or just to shut up the person "whining" with that response. People can never be dissatisfied without some cheerleader coming in and saying "THEN DON'T BUY IT RAWR!! LIKE OMGEEZUS IS IT THAT HARD TO UNDERSTAND YOU WHINY HATERZZZZ!!!" It's a dismissive tone that excludes anyone else from having an opinion.
I don't like that reason as well, because as I stated in another thread, that if you don't buy it and criticize it from videos, what you've researched on, and so on and so forth then you'll have people saying your opinion doesn't matter because you haven't actually played it. Then on the other hand people will be like "I don't understand why you bought it" It's a no win situation.
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Anyone who asks for family play never gets answers. I'm never rude or anything but it's the way twitter is. And this forum too sadly.
I've been told off for daring to say anything which isn't I love TS4. Despite always trying to help the developers!
https://twitter.com/sparkfairy1
Blacklisted me too, I guess. ;P
wish I could give you more than 1 like
Hallelujah! At least this person is smart!
don't think all of them did... but many did come with something about next EP or SP or a store world I even saw 1 time.
that was nice
When people tell me to "just not buy" I have to shake my head. I am not buying. I bought the base and out of sheer optimism and for weeks I tried to shift my playstyle around, and find some way to love this new game... but I failed. I took longer than 24 hours to make that decision, because I desperately wanted to have a sims game that ran smoothly, and that was modern (S3 has never run well for me, even on my wildly over spec computer).
Now, nearly a year after I bought it, S4 is shelved and collecting dust. No EPs or SPs or any other P's bought. Am I meant to feel good about that? The wasted money, and the lack of sims game to play? It's totally awful! I play a hundred other games but they aren't the sims. It's unique in it's genre. It fills a creative need that other games cannot begin to offer. So no, I will not just give up and wander away from this series forever! I will stay and shout, because I believe this game can be better, if only Maxis would listen to it's fans... and I intend to give them an earfull! I doubt they will hear me, but I am certain that saying nothing will not bring change.
When people tell me to 'be patient' - after not having been able to play S3 for much of it's run - I want to scream... I've been without an updated Sims game since Sims 2! I've been sim-less for so long that I ignored the bad press and was so so so excited for Sims 4! When it came out, I was so disappointed with what I received. These last five years I could have really used an outlet, having also had a fairly tumultuous go of things over the last decade. I've been patient! For years! So please, flippant stranger, tell me when do I get to voice my frustration!? When will it be acceptable for me to be 'fed up'?
And to folks who say 'nothing is stopping me from going back to the old games': I wanted the modern stable sims game that I was so excited about before release.
TS2 - I am very visual, and as much as I love it I've been spoilt by other games and now the graphics are just not good enough anymore.
TS3 - I've revisited S3 now, after the S4 disappointment, but it's still crazy stuttery and unstable, and requires nraas mods to run. I play with a HUGE grain of salt despite the fact that it has huge technical issues that were never addressed. I am not happily playing either in the way I used to with S2, I play frustrated and spend more than half my time writing my story based on screen shots, and downloading mods. When I actually play, I have to be in a really calm mood or I will start yelling at the computer. I am not playing S3 due to nostalgia. I am playing because I love this franchise, I love this genre, and I will take what I can get. Why not take S4 then you say? Because I'd rather play a buggy mess than a mobile game, missing so much of what I loved about this series. I will not condone (read spend money on) the direction S4 is going until Maxis starts talking, and shaping that direction around community feedback.
The game has got me through a lot of troubles too.
Exactly so. That song lyric says it all. Loved your OP, it's exactly the way I feel also. So sorry to hear about all your trials, but I'm glad to hear that you found something to help you through it.
And I desperately hope for all our sakes that this game can become what we all need it to be, but I have also decided that I'm not purchasing any additional content for it unless I see some meaningful changes. It makes me very sad, but I'm no longer optimistic about that, sorry to say.
Where are we going, and why am I in this hand basket?!
Uhm....gurrl? Are you sure it's not the other way round? How did family trees in TS3 get complicated...and messed up? The family trees in TS4 deletes every dead person, which also has ended up breaking ties between existing members.
On another note;
No T, no shade but this is my take on what cheerleaders think EA is doing:
[img]http://stream1.🐸🐸🐸🐸.com/view/671944/oprah-you-get-a-car-o.gif[/img]
When in reality, EA is doing this:
Comments like, "If you don't like it, don't buy it," are some of the most insensitive comments. My response to that is usually that I did, in fact, not buy it, but I understand why there are so many people upset over the game.
The people saying these things are some of the main people also saying, "The game has potential," or, "Give it time," and somewhere it seems it's not being understood that that's the reason people originally bought the game. They believed in the Sims 4, they gave it time (some begged for them to hold off and take their time), and they're still disappointed. They can't even get any actual word on what they're waiting on and somewhat surprisingly (at least to me) a lot of them are still waiting, which tells you just how much they love this franchise!
I'm actually at the point when where part of me is kind of forcing myself to keep up with the Sims 4 and I'm only sticking with it because I care about the Sims 5 should it come to be. But I also care about the franchise as a whole and the other simmers as well whether they like the game or not. Some folks fail to realize that those who "complain" or "whine" also care about the franchise and all simmers. They have standards, standards set by things that EAxis provided themselves in the prequels. And now suddenly they can't even provide those basics? They couldn't provide pools in the base game and they'd been around for how long?
One thing I love to do is question things. I love asking why. Most of the time I sit back, observe, and I keep my questions to myself mostly to see how things play out. Then if I'm really intrigued (which I was about the state of the Sims 4) I do research and I especially look at what they've said. And don't let me start asking the questions, because I know it'll annoy the heck out of whoever has to answer, but you're not going to beat around the bush with me if I'm that focused. I will read between lines and simplify your words and ask if that's what you mean. EA is lucky I'm rarely on twitter.
I'm still waiting to hear when production started on the Sims 4, why there were/are limited resources and what specific resources they're talking about, and what happened to all of the money from the Sims 3 and money still bought in from 2. I know some was probably reinvested into 3, but still something's not adding up. Something is off if the Olympus rumor isn't true. And instead of answering critical questions, they're ignoring people, even talking down to those who dare be critical... that really steams me. We deserve better. And that's why all the "complainers" still "waste" their time here making their voices heard.
https://twitter.com/sparkfairy1
It seems like common sense.
Being upset about a game but continuing to buy stuff for it and then being even more upset about it ..? Why put yourself through that.
I think the maxis team is still suffering from SC13's failure; likely they do not have much leeway from EA right now. Unfortunately they have not been able to provide a great game here under EA's (and their own self imposed) limitations. It appears that they didn't learn their lesson from SC13's failure fast enough to change course on the sims.
I saw TS4 was an opportunity for the team to turn the maxis brand back around. I know it was a big task, and I sympathize, but I don't think they were up for it. They seem too slow to adjust, and too stubborn to listen to constructive feedback. With every public announcement they reveal a continued lack of understanding/enthusiasm for their own market/game. They can't afford to have that attitude, not with a limited budjet. They needed to be really focused, and not spend half their development time back peddling from olympus.
If you ask me, TS4 is a game on probation. I feel like EA was like "You guys messed up SC13, so let's see what you can make of this amount, we don't want to invest anymore than we have to into cleaning up after your studio!" ...Pure speculation of course.
Anyway whatever the reason, i agree it appears that S4 had too few resources to allow the team to correct their errors, even if they DID became aware of them at some point during development. (Big if.)
I also didn't buy, but did try sims4
why becouse I love sims
and I like asking why and could you/we do this
It's the implied mocking that comes with that sentence and the full knowledge there is no other sims game to run to. The sims is a tool for many simmers to cope with challenges and has been so for a decade and a half. A constant, something to rely on.
It's often the start of a judgement and personal criticism of others.
I haven't bought anything else. Doesn't mean that doesn't break my heart. It does, and it annoys me that I can still be brought to tears by the loss and ridiculousness around blaming the players for issues EA created.
https://twitter.com/sparkfairy1
Thank you.
exsactly this
I translate "If you don't like it, don't buy it" as "Shut up and go away." And when you read the threads where this is stated, that is exactly the gist of said posts.
> I really don't understand how saying "if you don't like it, don't buy it" is insensitive.
>
> It seems like common sense.
>
> Being upset about a game but continuing to buy stuff for it and then being even more upset about it ..? Why put yourself through that.
Just saying you don't understand how that is insensitive tells me you say it all the time. It is usually said to dismiss a legitimate concern out of love for the game. Or just to shut up the person "whining" with that response. People can never be dissatisfied without some cheerleader coming in and saying "THEN DON'T BUY IT RAWR!! LIKE OMGEEZUS IS IT THAT HARD TO UNDERSTAND YOU WHINY HATERZZZZ!!!" It's a dismissive tone that excludes anyone else from having an opinion.