I am not being funny or anything but all of this over toddlers? I mean I know that people are talking about other stuff as well but once again the toddlers have taken over.
I am sad to see that @SimGuruDrake is being snapped at when she has taken the time over the weekend to be here and answer people's questions and yet if it is not an answer you want, she gets attacked over it?
I myself have questions about the future of The Sims as much as anyone else but I have learnt to be patient and enjoy TS3 for the time being with a lot of things planned.
All good things come to those who wait.
Toddlers is not a small issue but definitely the iceberg for bigger issues. Toddlers have become the symbol of ALL the basic things this game needs. It is not just about toddlers. But I consider the lack of toddlers to be the biggest core base game element that EA has left out and should be ashamed of lefting it out from the base game.
You yourself are bored from TS3 and looking for a new toy now, we are all like that, this is a game and one day it will wear off. I never liked TS3 and I continued playing TS2, but after some time you will feel the need for something new specially with the technology and graphics advancement. Unfortunately TS4 is still not the game to replace TS2 or even touch on its great features.
You can wait all you want but waiting alone does not mean you will get what you want. Giving your feedback might help better than waiting alone.
Everything I post is an opinion here and I think every post of others is as well.
I know, that as a customer I completely do not matter. I know that this company doesn't care that I'm not planning to buy more The Sims 4 stuff, because it doesn't fit the vision of the game that they believe the game should be following. I have many reasons to not get any more content for this reiteration, one was caused directly by these forums and mods in it. I do have a few questions.
Will we ever get a more adult version of The Sims?. Every reiteration drops something. The Sims 1 to The Sims 2 dropped the cake dancers and small adult jokes like that. The Sims 2 to The Sims 4 dropped disease and long term consequence. The Sims Medieval was courageous enough to include drinking, gambling and religion. And because of it I admired the developers so much. They were not afraid to include real life into the game in a humorious way. And finally alcohol was not called "nectar" and getting drunk wasn't just getting a "sugar rush". Sims could also fight each other to the death and you could kill trough the pit monster. And it was presented in such a way that it did not feel grim at all. It still felt cartoony and lighthearted. And that is something that I genuinely need to see again.
Will The Sims 4 ever be anything more than a way to promote your diversity trough tumblr?. Talking about the gender bender update. If you don't like it, you're homophobic. If you want to talk conservative features (AKA The Sims Medieval Religion) your message is wiped off the forums. You want to appear to the far left demographic, but you're silencing anyone outside of it. And I get why. Because "we support X" sells. But that's all the game become. It's a walking talking social network catered game with partying and gender bending. Traditional family values, family play? That does not sell. Toddlers will not promote them. Neither would pre-teens. They won't hit any headlines with another The Sims 3 generation-like expansion. So I'm dead set on them targeting this at tumblerinas and not caring about anyone else that used to be their customer. So that is my question. Will The Sims 4 ever offer deeper gameplay, or do we not matter?
and the last one is just a note - while free updates is a nice gimmick, the moment they change things like traits, or rebalance how often abductions happen, or change anything major, like add clowns into your game that you can't patch out, you will lose some of your audience. I asked one of your guys on twitter about how will you handle that. He said that that is one of the problems of current approach and that he can't do anything about it. So I'm wondering was it actually worth it to switch to this type of content delivery to begin with.
I am not being funny or anything but all of this over toddlers? I mean I know that people are talking about other stuff as well but once again the toddlers have taken over.
I am sad to see that @SimGuruDrake is being snapped at when she has taken the time over the weekend to be here and answer people's questions and yet if it is not an answer you want, she gets attacked over it?
I myself have questions about the future of The Sims as much as anyone else but I have learnt to be patient and enjoy TS3 for the time being with a lot of things planned.
All good things come to those who wait.
I don't see anyone attacking anyone. I just see people getting passionate and maybe some people could reign in their tones, but no one has gone past that step too far yet. You might not enjoy toddlers or understand why they're important to some people, but they are to me and many others. Toddlers will always be to the foreground of any questions about TS4 until we get them.
Fair reply, but, for some players, they have other questions about TS4 that are nothing to do with toddlers.
What about players who want a CAW tool or those waiting on certain bug fixes? Are they questions not supposed to be at the 'foreground' or is a certain life stage that only a proportion of players actually want more important?
I know, that as a customer I completely do not matter. I know that this company doesn't care that I'm not planning to buy more The Sims 4 stuff, because it doesn't fit the vision of the game that they believe the game should be following. I have many reasons to not get any more content for this reiteration, one was caused directly by these forums and mods in it. I do have a few questions.
Will we ever get a more adult version of The Sims?. Every reiteration drops something. The Sims 1 to The Sims 2 dropped the cake dancers and small adult jokes like that. The Sims 2 to The Sims 4 dropped disease and long term consequence. The Sims Medieval was courageous enough to include drinking, gambling and religion. And because of it I admired the developers so much. They were not afraid to include real life into the game in a humorious way. And finally alcohol was not called "nectar" and getting drunk wasn't just getting a "sugar rush". Sims could also fight each other to the death and you could kill trough the pit monster. And it was presented in such a way that it did not feel grim at all. It still felt cartoony and lighthearted. And that is something that I genuinely need to see again.
Will The Sims 4 ever be anything more than a way to promote your diversity trough tumblr?. Talking about the gender bender update. If you don't like it, you're plum. If you want to talk conservative features (AKA The Sims Medieval Religion) your message is wiped off the forums. You want to appear to the far left demographic, but you're silencing anyone outside of it. And I get why. Because "we support X" sells. But that's all the game become. It's a walking talking social network catered game with partying and gender bending. Traditional family values, family play? That does not sell. Toddlers will not promote them. Neither would pre-teens. They won't hit any headlines with another The Sims 3 generation-like expansion. So I'm dead set on them targeting this at tumblerinas and not caring about anyone else that used to be their customer. So that is my question. Will The Sims 4 ever offer deeper gameplay, or do we not matter?
and the last one is just a note - while free updates is a nice gimmick, the moment they change things like traits, or rebalance how often abductions happen, or change anything major, like add clowns into your game that you can't patch out, you will lose some of your audience. I asked one of your guys on twitter about how will you handle that. He said that that is one of the problems of current approach and that he can't do anything about it. So I'm wondering was it actually worth it to switch to this type of content delivery to begin with.
TS3 has gambling; poker, blackjack and slot machines. I have the blackjack and the slot machines that come with the premium version of Lucky Palms and those and the gambling skill that came with it are awesome!! Taking my sims to the casino is cool af.
Also TS3 has the bachelor party dancers that spill champagne all over anyone who's on the party.
I am not being funny or anything but all of this over toddlers? I mean I know that people are talking about other stuff as well but once again the toddlers have taken over.
I am sad to see that @SimGuruDrake is being snapped at when she has taken the time over the weekend to be here and answer people's questions and yet if it is not an answer you want, she gets attacked over it?
I myself have questions about the future of The Sims as much as anyone else but I have learnt to be patient and enjoy TS3 for the time being with a lot of things planned.
All good things come to those who wait.
I don't see anyone attacking anyone. I just see people getting passionate and maybe some people could reign in their tones, but no one has gone past that step too far yet. You might not enjoy toddlers or understand why they're important to some people, but they are to me and many others. Toddlers will always be to the foreground of any questions about TS4 until we get them.
Fair reply, but, for some players, they have other questions about TS4 that are nothing to do with toddlers.
What about players who want a CAW tool or those waiting on certain bug fixes? Are they questions not supposed to be at the 'foreground' or is a certain life stage that only a proportion of players actually want more important?
There have been people asking these questions as well. While the current topic of the thread is toddlers, overall it has been about honesty and transparency in general, in regard to all types of future content and things like culling as well.
I am not being funny or anything but all of this over toddlers? I mean I know that people are talking about other stuff as well but once again the toddlers have taken over.
I am sad to see that @SimGuruDrake is being snapped at when she has taken the time over the weekend to be here and answer people's questions and yet if it is not an answer you want, she gets attacked over it?
I myself have questions about the future of The Sims as much as anyone else but I have learnt to be patient and enjoy TS3 for the time being with a lot of things planned.
All good things come to those who wait.
I don't see anyone attacking anyone. I just see people getting passionate and maybe some people could reign in their tones, but no one has gone past that step too far yet. You might not enjoy toddlers or understand why they're important to some people, but they are to me and many others. Toddlers will always be to the foreground of any questions about TS4 until we get them.
Fair reply, but, for some players, they have other questions about TS4 that are nothing to do with toddlers.
What about players who want a CAW tool or those waiting on certain bug fixes? Are they questions not supposed to be at the 'foreground' or is a certain life stage that only a proportion of players actually want more important?
What about the players who want CAW?? They are free to come here and ask questions or any other request. This is not a "toddler only" thread, but definitely everybody is talking about it because it is a core element of the sims and as I said the biggest symbol of what is missing and the most wanted missing stuff.
Everything I post is an opinion here and I think every post of others is as well.
I am not being funny or anything but all of this over toddlers? I mean I know that people are talking about other stuff as well but once again the toddlers have taken over.
I am sad to see that @SimGuruDrake is being snapped at when she has taken the time over the weekend to be here and answer people's questions and yet if it is not an answer you want, she gets attacked over it?
I myself have questions about the future of The Sims as much as anyone else but I have learnt to be patient and enjoy TS3 for the time being with a lot of things planned.
All good things come to those who wait.
I don't see anyone attacking anyone. I just see people getting passionate and maybe some people could reign in their tones, but no one has gone past that step too far yet. You might not enjoy toddlers or understand why they're important to some people, but they are to me and many others. Toddlers will always be to the foreground of any questions about TS4 until we get them.
Fair reply, but, for some players, they have other questions about TS4 that are nothing to do with toddlers.
What about players who want a CAW tool or those waiting on certain bug fixes? Are they questions not supposed to be at the 'foreground' or is a certain life stage that only a proportion of players actually want more important?
Toddlers are the biggest issue. Tools really can't be compared to an ACTUAL LIFE STAGE, now can they? I'm pretty sure there's been something said about CAW being impossible. The way worlds are built is completely different to TS3. Plus,. CAW was not included with TS3 at launch, unlike toddlers which have been a basegame staple for 10+ years. Bugs are constantly getting addressed and worked on, they can't be compared to toddlers.
I am not being funny or anything but all of this over toddlers? I mean I know that people are talking about other stuff as well but once again the toddlers have taken over.
I am sad to see that @SimGuruDrake is being snapped at when she has taken the time over the weekend to be here and answer people's questions and yet if it is not an answer you want, she gets attacked over it?
I myself have questions about the future of The Sims as much as anyone else but I have learnt to be patient and enjoy TS3 for the time being with a lot of things planned.
All good things come to those who wait.
I don't see anyone attacking anyone. I just see people getting passionate and maybe some people could reign in their tones, but no one has gone past that step too far yet. You might not enjoy toddlers or understand why they're important to some people, but they are to me and many others. Toddlers will always be to the foreground of any questions about TS4 until we get them.
Fair reply, but, for some players, they have other questions about TS4 that are nothing to do with toddlers.
What about players who want a CAW tool or those waiting on certain bug fixes? Are they questions not supposed to be at the 'foreground' or is a certain life stage that only a proportion of players actually want more important?
What about the players who want CAW?? They are free to come here and ask questions or any other request. This is not a "toddler only" thread, but definitely everybody is talking about it because it is a core element of the sims and as I said the biggest symbol of what is missing and the most wanted missing stuff.
Agreeing with you so many times in your last couple of posts!
I am not being funny or anything but all of this over toddlers? I mean I know that people are talking about other stuff as well but once again the toddlers have taken over.
I am sad to see that @SimGuruDrake is being snapped at when she has taken the time over the weekend to be here and answer people's questions and yet if it is not an answer you want, she gets attacked over it?
I myself have questions about the future of The Sims as much as anyone else but I have learnt to be patient and enjoy TS3 for the time being with a lot of things planned.
All good things come to those who wait.
Toddlers is not a small issue but definitely the iceberg for bigger issues. Toddlers have become the symbol of ALL the basic things this game needs. It is not just about toddlers. But I consider the lack of toddlers to be the biggest core base game element that EA has left out and should be ashamed of lefting it out from the base game.
You yourself are bored from TS3 and looking for a new toy now, we are all like that, this is a game and one day it will wear off. I never liked TS3 and I continued playing TS2, but after some time you will feel the need for something new specially with the technology and graphics advancement. Unfortunately TS4 is still not the game to replace TS2 or even touch on its great features.
You can wait all you want but waiting alone does not mean you will get what you want. Giving your feedback might help better than waiting alone.
Oh I am not bored of TS3, I have been too busy to play the last few days but I have a new video to work on which im looking forward to
But I do have to disagree with the 'toddlers being the tip of the iceberg' statement.
Yes I get that it was not a good decision to leave them out but other players like me are big on world building and the Sims environment which includes large neighbourhoods, an Open World as well as how Sims behave in that environment so my concerns against TS4 are different to other players.
As I said I am working on a new video and it is sad that I would not be able to do that in TS4. I mean I know you can record videos in TS4, but I don't want to have to use the base game worlds for it.
I am not being funny or anything but all of this over toddlers? I mean I know that people are talking about other stuff as well but once again the toddlers have taken over.
I am sad to see that @SimGuruDrake is being snapped at when she has taken the time over the weekend to be here and answer people's questions and yet if it is not an answer you want, she gets attacked over it?
I myself have questions about the future of The Sims as much as anyone else but I have learnt to be patient and enjoy TS3 for the time being with a lot of things planned.
All good things come to those who wait.
I don't see anyone attacking anyone. I just see people getting passionate and maybe some people could reign in their tones, but no one has gone past that step too far yet. You might not enjoy toddlers or understand why they're important to some people, but they are to me and many others. Toddlers will always be to the foreground of any questions about TS4 until we get them.
Fair reply, but, for some players, they have other questions about TS4 that are nothing to do with toddlers.
What about players who want a CAW tool or those waiting on certain bug fixes? Are they questions not supposed to be at the 'foreground' or is a certain life stage that only a proportion of players actually want more important?
What about the players who want CAW?? They are free to come here and ask questions or any other request. This is not a "toddler only" thread, but definitely everybody is talking about it because it is a core element of the sims and as I said the biggest symbol of what is missing and the most wanted missing stuff.
Yes toddlers are a core element of The Sims, not the core element of The Sims.
Personally I think that the biggest symbol of what is missing is the Open World but I think I already said that a few times.
For me it boils down to the very fact that Maxis calls these people/sites "influencers". Are they supposed to be influencing Maxis or us?
If they are supposed to be influencing Maxis then what they say to Maxis should carry more "weight" so to speak. Are they not giving feedback on toddlers, additional color selections, supernaturals, cars, build tools, CAW, culling, etc.? Do these things not bother the influencers? This brings me to my next point. Once you decide that the opinions of a certain few carry more weight than other people you start to alienate people. It's no longer about what's best for the playerbase. It becomes about what's best for the influencers and that's not how you foster a sense of community.
If these influencers are indeed telling Maxis all of this, and/or their job is really to influence us, this whole "influencer" business then becomes condescending. As in we Sims players are not smart enough to make our own decisions about what to buy that they need community celebrities to convince us that this game is worth throwing our money into.
Either way, this whole thing comes across as being very divisive and hostile for the community.
I don't usually post on the forums because I don't like how hostile they often are, but I wanted to jump in and maybe try to clear this up a little.
It seems that people see this "influencer" thing as a once sided relationship with a company, i.e. they give us a product and we tell people how awesome it is and that they should buy it. That isn't the case. Influencers have a very "two-sided" relationship with a company AND those who purchase/use a product and/or service. An influencer isn't an exclusive thing to EA or Maxis, but is used for all types of things. This could be within the gaming industry, movies, food, health products and everything else. I'll try discuss the two sides of this "relationship" from my understanding.
A company may approach an individual who uses their products and has taken time to carefully develop a relationship with viewers/readers about them. The company understands that something like this is not easily done and that it makes sense to strike up a relationship with an "influencer" as that means that their product can be easily discussed and promoted without being vague in a brief advert on the TV. Instead, the influencer is free to show off the product while also saying what they like/dislike about it and, where possible, it could be improved. For the company, this is great feedback for them and allows them to implement an individuals views for future products.
It also goes deeper than this though as the potential customers are able to see a product in action and ask questions about it from someone who uses it and then make a choice about whether they want to buy it or not. Because influencers often come with a strong community of their own whom they interact with often, their community will discuss with the influencer what they think about the product. Whether or not they decide to purchase it doesn't factor into it. If someone purchased it and enjoyed it, that person usually said what they liked. If someone purchased it and didn't like it, then that person may also return and say why they didn't like it. If someone saw the product and decided not to purchase it, they may come back and say why they didn't purchase it.
The influencer can then speak with the company in question and say that a common trend is that people enjoyed A, B and C about the product, didn't quite like X, Y and Z, totally disliked D,E and F and some chose not to purchase it because of T, U and V. This information is invaluable for a company because it allows them to compile a LOT of information from a large number of people but from fewer and easier to digest sources. This new information can be put to use for improving the current product while also being used for future products.
How does all this impact a consumer? A company will more than likely be receiving a LOT of feedback on their product at any single time. This can cause communication problems for both the consumer and the company as all of this feedback comes thick and fast and it's hard to separate the points being made. A prime example of this is on social media. If a company/individual working for that company used Twitter to send out a tweet, hundreds to thousands of people can interact with that single tweet. This could range from people saying "hello", to the people trolling to those saying that they love the product and those asking for help with that product or even people just trying to have a conversation with them. Now, in this example I've used a single tweet, but it's extremely rare for a company or person to tweet once. They may make a separate tweet or reply to a tweet that someone has sent. These tweets are often met with the same response as I initially used. A simple metaphor for this would be someone trying to empty a sand pit through the eye of a needle where each grain of sand represents a persons response. It's impossible for anyone to keep track of all that information coming through at once.
Now, if the consumer has seen something from an influencer they follow regarding that product, they may feel that they can trust that person to take their feedback directly back to the company, meaning that their single voice can be heard in a pit of sand. Now, there's no guarantee that something will come of it, but it's still a useful form of communication for both parties.
Relating this back to The Sims, an example of how feedback can help improve the product is Teens. When TS4 initially released, Teens were almost impossible to tell apart from Young Adults. In updates since the games release, slight changes were implemented to make this easier for people in the form of the age icon in their name bars above their heads as well as changes to the Teens body shape.
An influencer isn't there to divide people and create hostility within a community. An influencer will love a product as much as the community they created and want it to be better because they want to enjoy it too. It makes no sense for an influencer to create hostilities for either party as that would result in both sides losing trust in them.
Unfortunately a game like The Sims will always have a divide in it and there's nothing that can be done about it by anyone. The Sims can be played and used in so many different ways that no matter what, what's important to one person doesn't even register on another persons radar. Unfortunately it's how these people interact that creates problems. You need only take a brief glance at a few threads on the forums to see that people here are harsh and think that their ideal game is more important than everyone elses.
This reply went on far longer than I thought it would, sorry about that.
TL;DR? An influencer isn't there to create problems, but act as a vocal piece for both companies and consumers because of the trust built on both sides.
The difference between open world and toddlers however is that we've gotten solid confirmation OW won't happen. Open world won't be returning to TS4 because its just not possible with the way the game was made. Toddlers might still be possible, but we don't know yet.
Not to undermine the importance of open world or anything, I liked it too. But there's no point in bringing it up to the gurus because it can't happen.
I am not being funny or anything but all of this over toddlers? I mean I know that people are talking about other stuff as well but once again the toddlers have taken over.
I am sad to see that @SimGuruDrake is being snapped at when she has taken the time over the weekend to be here and answer people's questions and yet if it is not an answer you want, she gets attacked over it?
I myself have questions about the future of The Sims as much as anyone else but I have learnt to be patient and enjoy TS3 for the time being with a lot of things planned.
All good things come to those who wait.
Toddlers is not a small issue but definitely the iceberg for bigger issues. Toddlers have become the symbol of ALL the basic things this game needs. It is not just about toddlers. But I consider the lack of toddlers to be the biggest core base game element that EA has left out and should be ashamed of lefting it out from the base game.
You yourself are bored from TS3 and looking for a new toy now, we are all like that, this is a game and one day it will wear off. I never liked TS3 and I continued playing TS2, but after some time you will feel the need for something new specially with the technology and graphics advancement. Unfortunately TS4 is still not the game to replace TS2 or even touch on its great features.
You can wait all you want but waiting alone does not mean you will get what you want. Giving your feedback might help better than waiting alone.
Oh I am not bored of TS3, I have been too busy to play the last few days but I have a new video to work on which im looking forward to
But I do have to disagree with the 'toddlers being the tip of the iceberg' statement.
Yes I get that it was not a good decision to leave them out but other players like me are big on world building and the Sims environment which includes large neighbourhoods, an Open World as well as how Sims behave in that environment so my concerns against TS4 are different to other players.
As I said I am working on a new video and it is sad that I would not be able to do that in TS4. I mean I know you can record videos in TS4, but I don't want to have to use the base game worlds for it.
The issue is, King, The Sims is a life simulator. It's what it has always been since TS1. TS3 had a lot of nice, fancy tools like CASt and CAW and the open world and how easy it's become to make videos. And while these are amazing, it's not what the Sims actually is about. It's about simulating a life. CAW isn't detrimental to playing a person's life from beginning to end, but toddlers are. In TS2 and 3 you could play a life from cradle to urn, like a movie or a novel. In TS4 I feel like I'm playing a TV show where its made up of episodes, skipping days or years at a time. CAW and such tools may be detrimental to you as a player and your enjoyment of the game, but they aren't detrimental to creating a life simulation game.
I know, that as a customer I completely do not matter. I know that this company doesn't care that I'm not planning to buy more The Sims 4 stuff, because it doesn't fit the vision of the game that they believe the game should be following. I have many reasons to not get any more content for this reiteration, one was caused directly by these forums and mods in it. I do have a few questions.
Will we ever get a more adult version of The Sims?. Every reiteration drops something. The Sims 1 to The Sims 2 dropped the cake dancers and small adult jokes like that. The Sims 2 to The Sims 4 dropped disease and long term consequence. The Sims Medieval was courageous enough to include drinking, gambling and religion. And because of it I admired the developers so much. They were not afraid to include real life into the game in a humorious way. And finally alcohol was not called "nectar" and getting drunk wasn't just getting a "sugar rush". Sims could also fight each other to the death and you could kill trough the pit monster. And it was presented in such a way that it did not feel grim at all. It still felt cartoony and lighthearted. And that is something that I genuinely need to see again.
Will The Sims 4 ever be anything more than a way to promote your diversity trough tumblr?. Talking about the gender bender update. If you don't like it, you're plum. If you want to talk conservative features (AKA The Sims Medieval Religion) your message is wiped off the forums. You want to appear to the far left demographic, but you're silencing anyone outside of it. And I get why. Because "we support X" sells. But that's all the game become. It's a walking talking social network catered game with partying and gender bending. Traditional family values, family play? That does not sell. Toddlers will not promote them. Neither would pre-teens. They won't hit any headlines with another The Sims 3 generation-like expansion. So I'm dead set on them targeting this at tumblerinas and not caring about anyone else that used to be their customer. So that is my question. Will The Sims 4 ever offer deeper gameplay, or do we not matter?
and the last one is just a note - while free updates is a nice gimmick, the moment they change things like traits, or rebalance how often abductions happen, or change anything major, like add clowns into your game that you can't patch out, you will lose some of your audience. I asked one of your guys on twitter about how will you handle that. He said that that is one of the problems of current approach and that he can't do anything about it. So I'm wondering was it actually worth it to switch to this type of content delivery to begin with.
So... you want a more 'adult' Sims game... and then dismiss one of the most respectful and mature updates to any mainstream game ever because you don't like it. Makes sense.
The only thing I use that update for is a couple choice hairs and to let a few girls dress as tomboys. Nothing else. Doesn't bother my game in any other way. Still just as traditional of a Sims save as before. Funny, that.
I know, that as a customer I completely do not matter. I know that this company doesn't care that I'm not planning to buy more The Sims 4 stuff, because it doesn't fit the vision of the game that they believe the game should be following. I have many reasons to not get any more content for this reiteration, one was caused directly by these forums and mods in it. I do have a few questions.
Will we ever get a more adult version of The Sims?. Every reiteration drops something. The Sims 1 to The Sims 2 dropped the cake dancers and small adult jokes like that. The Sims 2 to The Sims 4 dropped disease and long term consequence. The Sims Medieval was courageous enough to include drinking, gambling and religion. And because of it I admired the developers so much. They were not afraid to include real life into the game in a humorious way. And finally alcohol was not called "nectar" and getting drunk wasn't just getting a "sugar rush". Sims could also fight each other to the death and you could kill trough the pit monster. And it was presented in such a way that it did not feel grim at all. It still felt cartoony and lighthearted. And that is something that I genuinely need to see again.
Will The Sims 4 ever be anything more than a way to promote your diversity trough tumblr?. Talking about the gender bender update. If you don't like it, you're plum. If you want to talk conservative features (AKA The Sims Medieval Religion) your message is wiped off the forums. You want to appear to the far left demographic, but you're silencing anyone outside of it. And I get why. Because "we support X" sells. But that's all the game become. It's a walking talking social network catered game with partying and gender bending. Traditional family values, family play? That does not sell. Toddlers will not promote them. Neither would pre-teens. They won't hit any headlines with another The Sims 3 generation-like expansion. So I'm dead set on them targeting this at tumblerinas and not caring about anyone else that used to be their customer. So that is my question. Will The Sims 4 ever offer deeper gameplay, or do we not matter?
and the last one is just a note - while free updates is a nice gimmick, the moment they change things like traits, or rebalance how often abductions happen, or change anything major, like add clowns into your game that you can't patch out, you will lose some of your audience. I asked one of your guys on twitter about how will you handle that. He said that that is one of the problems of current approach and that he can't do anything about it. So I'm wondering was it actually worth it to switch to this type of content delivery to begin with.
even if i had disagree with some of your post, i totally agree about this. the disease in the sims 4: have an orange juice, and it will be fine. Really ? There is no consequence in the game. a 10 years old can totally play it, but the game isn't for 10 years old, it's for teen and up. I'm not asking for the sims to become a GTA like, but being more like the sims 2. and come on, children aren't easily shocked (and if they are, it's up to the parent to check that their children can play the game, not to the company) I start playing the sims 2 when i was 10. Did i get shocked ? not at all. Did i like the sims medieval ? totally. I know sims in ths4 are supposed to be harder to kill, but i don't want to play a bunch of superheroes living in an happy ever after world. I just want to play a sims game.
And i'm sure that The sims 4 has the potential to be as good as the sims 2.
I am not being funny or anything but all of this over toddlers? I mean I know that people are talking about other stuff as well but once again the toddlers have taken over.
I am sad to see that @SimGuruDrake is being snapped at when she has taken the time over the weekend to be here and answer people's questions and yet if it is not an answer you want, she gets attacked over it?
I myself have questions about the future of The Sims as much as anyone else but I have learnt to be patient and enjoy TS3 for the time being with a lot of things planned.
All good things come to those who wait.
I don't see anyone attacking anyone. I just see people getting passionate and maybe some people could reign in their tones, but no one has gone past that step too far yet. You might not enjoy toddlers or understand why they're important to some people, but they are to me and many others. Toddlers will always be to the foreground of any questions about TS4 until we get them.
Fair reply, but, for some players, they have other questions about TS4 that are nothing to do with toddlers.
What about players who want a CAW tool or those waiting on certain bug fixes? Are they questions not supposed to be at the 'foreground' or is a certain life stage that only a proportion of players actually want more important?
What about the players who want CAW?? They are free to come here and ask questions or any other request. This is not a "toddler only" thread, but definitely everybody is talking about it because it is a core element of the sims and as I said the biggest symbol of what is missing and the most wanted missing stuff.
Yes toddlers are a core element of The Sims, not the core element of The Sims.
Personally I think that the biggest symbol of what is missing is the Open World but I think I already said that a few times.
Toddlers are a core element of a life simulation game. An open world is not. Toddlers have been a base game staple for over a decade, an open world was something new with TS3. We could argue all day about how creativity should be catered for, which it should be, but the fact remains it isn't detrimental to what this game is about: simulating life.
For me it boils down to the very fact that Maxis calls these people/sites "influencers". Are they supposed to be influencing Maxis or us?
If they are supposed to be influencing Maxis then what they say to Maxis should carry more "weight" so to speak. Are they not giving feedback on toddlers, additional color selections, supernaturals, cars, build tools, CAW, culling, etc.? Do these things not bother the influencers? This brings me to my next point. Once you decide that the opinions of a certain few carry more weight than other people you start to alienate people. It's no longer about what's best for the playerbase. It becomes about what's best for the influencers and that's not how you foster a sense of community.
If these influencers are indeed telling Maxis all of this, and/or their job is really to influence us, this whole "influencer" business then becomes condescending. As in we Sims players are not smart enough to make our own decisions about what to buy that they need community celebrities to convince us that this game is worth throwing our money into.
Either way, this whole thing comes across as being very divisive and hostile for the community.
I don't usually post on the forums because I don't like how hostile they often are, but I wanted to jump in and maybe try to clear this up a little.
It seems that people see this "influencer" thing as a once sided relationship with a company, i.e. they give us a product and we tell people how awesome it is and that they should buy it. That isn't the case. Influencers have a very "two-sided" relationship with a company AND those who purchase/use a product and/or service. An influencer isn't an exclusive thing to EA or Maxis, but is used for all types of things. This could be within the gaming industry, movies, food, health products and everything else. I'll try discuss the two sides of this "relationship" from my understanding.
A company may approach an individual who uses their products and has taken time to carefully develop a relationship with viewers/readers about them. The company understands that something like this is not easily done and that it makes sense to strike up a relationship with an "influencer" as that means that their product can be easily discussed and promoted without being vague in a brief advert on the TV. Instead, the influencer is free to show off the product while also saying what they like/dislike about it and, where possible, it could be improved. For the company, this is great feedback for them and allows them to implement an individuals views for future products.
It also goes deeper than this though as the potential customers are able to see a product in action and ask questions about it from someone who uses it and then make a choice about whether they want to buy it or not. Because influencers often come with a strong community of their own whom they interact with often, their community will discuss with the influencer what they think about the product. Whether or not they decide to purchase it doesn't factor into it. If someone purchased it and enjoyed it, that person usually said what they liked. If someone purchased it and didn't like it, then that person may also return and say why they didn't like it. If someone saw the product and decided not to purchase it, they may come back and say why they didn't purchase it.
The influencer can then speak with the company in question and say that a common trend is that people enjoyed A, B and C about the product, didn't quite like X, Y and Z, totally disliked D,E and F and some chose not to purchase it because of T, U and V. This information is invaluable for a company because it allows them to compile a LOT of information from a large number of people but from fewer and easier to digest sources. This new information can be put to use for improving the current product while also being used for future products.
How does all this impact a consumer? A company will more than likely be receiving a LOT of feedback on their product at any single time. This can cause communication problems for both the consumer and the company as all of this feedback comes thick and fast and it's hard to separate the points being made. A prime example of this is on social media. If a company/individual working for that company used Twitter to send out a tweet, hundreds to thousands of people can interact with that single tweet. This could range from people saying "hello", to the people trolling to those saying that they love the product and those asking for help with that product or even people just trying to have a conversation with them. Now, in this example I've used a single tweet, but it's extremely rare for a company or person to tweet once. They may make a separate tweet or reply to a tweet that someone has sent. These tweets are often met with the same response as I initially used. A simple metaphor for this would be someone trying to empty a sand pit through the eye of a needle where each grain of sand represents a persons response. It's impossible for anyone to keep track of all that information coming through at once.
Now, if the consumer has seen something from an influencer they follow regarding that product, they may feel that they can trust that person to take their feedback directly back to the company, meaning that their single voice can be heard in a pit of sand. Now, there's no guarantee that something will come of it, but it's still a useful form of communication for both parties.
Relating this back to The Sims, an example of how feedback can help improve the product is Teens. When TS4 initially released, Teens were almost impossible to tell apart from Young Adults. In updates since the games release, slight changes were implemented to make this easier for people in the form of the age icon in their name bars above their heads as well as changes to the Teens body shape.
An influencer isn't there to divide people and create hostility within a community. An influencer will love a product as much as the community they created and want it to be better because they want to enjoy it too. It makes no sense for an influencer to create hostilities for either party as that would result in both sides losing trust in them.
Unfortunately a game like The Sims will always have a divide in it and there's nothing that can be done about it by anyone. The Sims can be played and used in so many different ways that no matter what, what's important to one person doesn't even register on another persons radar. Unfortunately it's how these people interact that creates problems. You need only take a brief glance at a few threads on the forums to see that people here are harsh and think that their ideal game is more important than everyone elses.
This reply went on far longer than I thought it would, sorry about that.
TL;DR? An influencer isn't there to create problems, but act as a vocal piece for both companies and consumers because of the trust built on both sides.
problem with influencers, isn't that they side only with EA, but more about the fact that their opinion, even if not shared by the majority, will be accepted as a majority opinion. For example, if they send out an expansion proposal to The Sims fan sites, as little as a few hundred people get to vote on what is interesting to them, millions do not get a say at all. Majority could be all about them pets, a few fan sites could prefer parties and suddenly all we would get would be party content.
At the same time the problem could be that they don't influence at all. "Teens are hard to tell apart". "Okay, we'll tell you that they're teens in text above their heads". And then silence. Influencer is satisfied, while a consumer might have continued pushing with "no, there's not enough teen activties! Teens are acting like adults and hence why we can't tell the age group apart!".
The difference between open world and toddlers however is that we've gotten solid confirmation OW won't happen. Open world won't be returning to TS4 because its just not possible with the way the game was made. Toddlers might still be possible, but we don't know yet.
Not to undermine the importance of open world or anything, I liked it too. But there's no point in bringing it up to the gurus because it can't happen.
Yes I was very sad to hear that there would be no Open World in TS4 so what did I do?
I played one of the older games instead...
Funny thing is, some of the older games have toddlers in them as well. After all, installing TS4 does not uninstall toddlers from TS3 or TS2...
The difference between open world and toddlers however is that we've gotten solid confirmation OW won't happen. Open world won't be returning to TS4 because its just not possible with the way the game was made. Toddlers might still be possible, but we don't know yet.
Not to undermine the importance of open world or anything, I liked it too. But there's no point in bringing it up to the gurus because it can't happen.
Yes I was very sad to hear that there would be no Open World in TS4 so what did I do?
I played one of the older games instead...
Funny thing is, some of the older games have toddlers in them as well. After all, installing TS4 does not uninstall toddlers from TS3 or TS2...
exactly why not play the sims 3 if you want toddlers i do i rarley play sims 4
So... you want a more 'adult' Sims game... and then dismiss one of the most respectful and mature updates to any mainstream game ever because you don't like it. Makes sense.
my bigger problem is that it is so mature that discussion about it on the forums is banned and that suggesting something just as mature will get you yelled at, because it's not the demographic that they want.
That and if live update wasn't a thing, I would have left 90% of the patch in and taken out the people of same genders having babies as that was the part that I was trying to discuss, only to get shut down by the mods saying that obviously I'm the problem as I'm not tolerant enough. If I couldn't take just a chunk of the update, I would have opted out of it, the same way that I could have not bought Late Night if I didn't want the celebrity system.
The difference between open world and toddlers however is that we've gotten solid confirmation OW won't happen. Open world won't be returning to TS4 because its just not possible with the way the game was made. Toddlers might still be possible, but we don't know yet.
Not to undermine the importance of open world or anything, I liked it too. But there's no point in bringing it up to the gurus because it can't happen.
Yes I was very sad to hear that there would be no Open World in TS4 so what did I do?
I played one of the older games instead...
Funny thing is, some of the older games have toddlers in them as well. After all, installing TS4 does not uninstall toddlers from TS3 or TS2...
OMG you're seriously getting on my nerves now. Just stop because you're showing your ignorance.
The difference between open world and toddlers however is that we've gotten solid confirmation OW won't happen. Open world won't be returning to TS4 because its just not possible with the way the game was made. Toddlers might still be possible, but we don't know yet.
Not to undermine the importance of open world or anything, I liked it too. But there's no point in bringing it up to the gurus because it can't happen.
Yes I was very sad to hear that there would be no Open World in TS4 so what did I do?
I played one of the older games instead...
Funny thing is, some of the older games have toddlers in them as well. After all, installing TS4 does not uninstall toddlers from TS3 or TS2...
true, but, if toddlers were what you liked, why would you buy The Sims 4?
The difference between open world and toddlers however is that we've gotten solid confirmation OW won't happen. Open world won't be returning to TS4 because its just not possible with the way the game was made. Toddlers might still be possible, but we don't know yet.
Not to undermine the importance of open world or anything, I liked it too. But there's no point in bringing it up to the gurus because it can't happen.
Yes I was very sad to hear that there would be no Open World in TS4 so what did I do?
I played one of the older games instead...
Funny thing is, some of the older games have toddlers in them as well. After all, installing TS4 does not uninstall toddlers from TS3 or TS2...
And many people have been doing that. That doesn't mean they should stop requesting or stop hoping for toddlers to come to TS4 though. There are people who only own TS4 and still want them, there's other players who simply want to move on from TS2/3, and there's some who love TS4 and just want their favorite Sims title to have a life stage they enjoy.
While they're great games, I just don't think "go back to TS2 or TS3" is a good way to approach the idea.
The difference between open world and toddlers however is that we've gotten solid confirmation OW won't happen. Open world won't be returning to TS4 because its just not possible with the way the game was made. Toddlers might still be possible, but we don't know yet.
Not to undermine the importance of open world or anything, I liked it too. But there's no point in bringing it up to the gurus because it can't happen.
Yes I was very sad to hear that there would be no Open World in TS4 so what did I do?
I played one of the older games instead...
Funny thing is, some of the older games have toddlers in them as well. After all, installing TS4 does not uninstall toddlers from TS3 or TS2...
OMG you're seriously getting on my nerves now. Just stop because you're showing your ignorance.
The difference between open world and toddlers however is that we've gotten solid confirmation OW won't happen. Open world won't be returning to TS4 because its just not possible with the way the game was made. Toddlers might still be possible, but we don't know yet.
Not to undermine the importance of open world or anything, I liked it too. But there's no point in bringing it up to the gurus because it can't happen.
Yes I was very sad to hear that there would be no Open World in TS4 so what did I do?
I played one of the older games instead...
Funny thing is, some of the older games have toddlers in them as well. After all, installing TS4 does not uninstall toddlers from TS3 or TS2...
And many people have been doing that. That doesn't mean they should stop requesting or stop hoping for toddlers to come to TS4 though. There are people who only own TS4 and still want them, there's other players who simply want to move on from TS2/3, and there's some who love TS4 and just want their favorite Sims title to have a life stage they enjoy.
Thanks for explaining, I didn't have the energy or patience. Plus it's obvious to anyone IMO.
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Toddlers is not a small issue but definitely the iceberg for bigger issues. Toddlers have become the symbol of ALL the basic things this game needs. It is not just about toddlers. But I consider the lack of toddlers to be the biggest core base game element that EA has left out and should be ashamed of lefting it out from the base game.
You yourself are bored from TS3 and looking for a new toy now, we are all like that, this is a game and one day it will wear off. I never liked TS3 and I continued playing TS2, but after some time you will feel the need for something new specially with the technology and graphics advancement. Unfortunately TS4 is still not the game to replace TS2 or even touch on its great features.
You can wait all you want but waiting alone does not mean you will get what you want. Giving your feedback might help better than waiting alone.
Will we ever get a more adult version of The Sims?. Every reiteration drops something. The Sims 1 to The Sims 2 dropped the cake dancers and small adult jokes like that. The Sims 2 to The Sims 4 dropped disease and long term consequence. The Sims Medieval was courageous enough to include drinking, gambling and religion. And because of it I admired the developers so much. They were not afraid to include real life into the game in a humorious way. And finally alcohol was not called "nectar" and getting drunk wasn't just getting a "sugar rush". Sims could also fight each other to the death and you could kill trough the pit monster. And it was presented in such a way that it did not feel grim at all. It still felt cartoony and lighthearted. And that is something that I genuinely need to see again.
Will The Sims 4 ever be anything more than a way to promote your diversity trough tumblr?. Talking about the gender bender update. If you don't like it, you're homophobic. If you want to talk conservative features (AKA The Sims Medieval Religion) your message is wiped off the forums. You want to appear to the far left demographic, but you're silencing anyone outside of it. And I get why. Because "we support X" sells. But that's all the game become. It's a walking talking social network catered game with partying and gender bending. Traditional family values, family play? That does not sell. Toddlers will not promote them. Neither would pre-teens. They won't hit any headlines with another The Sims 3 generation-like expansion. So I'm dead set on them targeting this at tumblerinas and not caring about anyone else that used to be their customer. So that is my question. Will The Sims 4 ever offer deeper gameplay, or do we not matter?
and the last one is just a note - while free updates is a nice gimmick, the moment they change things like traits, or rebalance how often abductions happen, or change anything major, like add clowns into your game that you can't patch out, you will lose some of your audience. I asked one of your guys on twitter about how will you handle that. He said that that is one of the problems of current approach and that he can't do anything about it. So I'm wondering was it actually worth it to switch to this type of content delivery to begin with.
Fair reply, but, for some players, they have other questions about TS4 that are nothing to do with toddlers.
What about players who want a CAW tool or those waiting on certain bug fixes? Are they questions not supposed to be at the 'foreground' or is a certain life stage that only a proportion of players actually want more important?
TS3 has gambling; poker, blackjack and slot machines. I have the blackjack and the slot machines that come with the premium version of Lucky Palms and those and the gambling skill that came with it are awesome!! Taking my sims to the casino is cool af.
Also TS3 has the bachelor party dancers that spill champagne all over anyone who's on the party.
What about the players who want CAW?? They are free to come here and ask questions or any other request. This is not a "toddler only" thread, but definitely everybody is talking about it because it is a core element of the sims and as I said the biggest symbol of what is missing and the most wanted missing stuff.
Toddlers are the biggest issue. Tools really can't be compared to an ACTUAL LIFE STAGE, now can they? I'm pretty sure there's been something said about CAW being impossible. The way worlds are built is completely different to TS3. Plus,. CAW was not included with TS3 at launch, unlike toddlers which have been a basegame staple for 10+ years. Bugs are constantly getting addressed and worked on, they can't be compared to toddlers.
Agreeing with you so many times in your last couple of posts!
Oh I am not bored of TS3, I have been too busy to play the last few days but I have a new video to work on which im looking forward to
But I do have to disagree with the 'toddlers being the tip of the iceberg' statement.
Yes I get that it was not a good decision to leave them out but other players like me are big on world building and the Sims environment which includes large neighbourhoods, an Open World as well as how Sims behave in that environment so my concerns against TS4 are different to other players.
As I said I am working on a new video and it is sad that I would not be able to do that in TS4. I mean I know you can record videos in TS4, but I don't want to have to use the base game worlds for it.
Yes toddlers are a core element of The Sims, not the core element of The Sims.
Personally I think that the biggest symbol of what is missing is the Open World but I think I already said that a few times.
I don't usually post on the forums because I don't like how hostile they often are, but I wanted to jump in and maybe try to clear this up a little.
It seems that people see this "influencer" thing as a once sided relationship with a company, i.e. they give us a product and we tell people how awesome it is and that they should buy it. That isn't the case. Influencers have a very "two-sided" relationship with a company AND those who purchase/use a product and/or service. An influencer isn't an exclusive thing to EA or Maxis, but is used for all types of things. This could be within the gaming industry, movies, food, health products and everything else. I'll try discuss the two sides of this "relationship" from my understanding.
A company may approach an individual who uses their products and has taken time to carefully develop a relationship with viewers/readers about them. The company understands that something like this is not easily done and that it makes sense to strike up a relationship with an "influencer" as that means that their product can be easily discussed and promoted without being vague in a brief advert on the TV. Instead, the influencer is free to show off the product while also saying what they like/dislike about it and, where possible, it could be improved. For the company, this is great feedback for them and allows them to implement an individuals views for future products.
It also goes deeper than this though as the potential customers are able to see a product in action and ask questions about it from someone who uses it and then make a choice about whether they want to buy it or not. Because influencers often come with a strong community of their own whom they interact with often, their community will discuss with the influencer what they think about the product. Whether or not they decide to purchase it doesn't factor into it. If someone purchased it and enjoyed it, that person usually said what they liked. If someone purchased it and didn't like it, then that person may also return and say why they didn't like it. If someone saw the product and decided not to purchase it, they may come back and say why they didn't purchase it.
The influencer can then speak with the company in question and say that a common trend is that people enjoyed A, B and C about the product, didn't quite like X, Y and Z, totally disliked D,E and F and some chose not to purchase it because of T, U and V. This information is invaluable for a company because it allows them to compile a LOT of information from a large number of people but from fewer and easier to digest sources. This new information can be put to use for improving the current product while also being used for future products.
How does all this impact a consumer? A company will more than likely be receiving a LOT of feedback on their product at any single time. This can cause communication problems for both the consumer and the company as all of this feedback comes thick and fast and it's hard to separate the points being made. A prime example of this is on social media. If a company/individual working for that company used Twitter to send out a tweet, hundreds to thousands of people can interact with that single tweet. This could range from people saying "hello", to the people trolling to those saying that they love the product and those asking for help with that product or even people just trying to have a conversation with them. Now, in this example I've used a single tweet, but it's extremely rare for a company or person to tweet once. They may make a separate tweet or reply to a tweet that someone has sent. These tweets are often met with the same response as I initially used. A simple metaphor for this would be someone trying to empty a sand pit through the eye of a needle where each grain of sand represents a persons response. It's impossible for anyone to keep track of all that information coming through at once.
Now, if the consumer has seen something from an influencer they follow regarding that product, they may feel that they can trust that person to take their feedback directly back to the company, meaning that their single voice can be heard in a pit of sand. Now, there's no guarantee that something will come of it, but it's still a useful form of communication for both parties.
Relating this back to The Sims, an example of how feedback can help improve the product is Teens. When TS4 initially released, Teens were almost impossible to tell apart from Young Adults. In updates since the games release, slight changes were implemented to make this easier for people in the form of the age icon in their name bars above their heads as well as changes to the Teens body shape.
An influencer isn't there to divide people and create hostility within a community. An influencer will love a product as much as the community they created and want it to be better because they want to enjoy it too. It makes no sense for an influencer to create hostilities for either party as that would result in both sides losing trust in them.
Unfortunately a game like The Sims will always have a divide in it and there's nothing that can be done about it by anyone. The Sims can be played and used in so many different ways that no matter what, what's important to one person doesn't even register on another persons radar. Unfortunately it's how these people interact that creates problems. You need only take a brief glance at a few threads on the forums to see that people here are harsh and think that their ideal game is more important than everyone elses.
This reply went on far longer than I thought it would, sorry about that.
TL;DR? An influencer isn't there to create problems, but act as a vocal piece for both companies and consumers because of the trust built on both sides.
Not to undermine the importance of open world or anything, I liked it too. But there's no point in bringing it up to the gurus because it can't happen.
The issue is, King, The Sims is a life simulator. It's what it has always been since TS1. TS3 had a lot of nice, fancy tools like CASt and CAW and the open world and how easy it's become to make videos. And while these are amazing, it's not what the Sims actually is about. It's about simulating a life. CAW isn't detrimental to playing a person's life from beginning to end, but toddlers are. In TS2 and 3 you could play a life from cradle to urn, like a movie or a novel. In TS4 I feel like I'm playing a TV show where its made up of episodes, skipping days or years at a time. CAW and such tools may be detrimental to you as a player and your enjoyment of the game, but they aren't detrimental to creating a life simulation game.
So... you want a more 'adult' Sims game... and then dismiss one of the most respectful and mature updates to any mainstream game ever because you don't like it. Makes sense.
The only thing I use that update for is a couple choice hairs and to let a few girls dress as tomboys. Nothing else. Doesn't bother my game in any other way. Still just as traditional of a Sims save as before. Funny, that.
even if i had disagree with some of your post, i totally agree about this. the disease in the sims 4: have an orange juice, and it will be fine. Really ? There is no consequence in the game. a 10 years old can totally play it, but the game isn't for 10 years old, it's for teen and up. I'm not asking for the sims to become a GTA like, but being more like the sims 2. and come on, children aren't easily shocked (and if they are, it's up to the parent to check that their children can play the game, not to the company) I start playing the sims 2 when i was 10. Did i get shocked ? not at all. Did i like the sims medieval ? totally. I know sims in ths4 are supposed to be harder to kill, but i don't want to play a bunch of superheroes living in an happy ever after world. I just want to play a sims game.
And i'm sure that The sims 4 has the potential to be as good as the sims 2.
Toddlers are a core element of a life simulation game. An open world is not. Toddlers have been a base game staple for over a decade, an open world was something new with TS3. We could argue all day about how creativity should be catered for, which it should be, but the fact remains it isn't detrimental to what this game is about: simulating life.
problem with influencers, isn't that they side only with EA, but more about the fact that their opinion, even if not shared by the majority, will be accepted as a majority opinion. For example, if they send out an expansion proposal to The Sims fan sites, as little as a few hundred people get to vote on what is interesting to them, millions do not get a say at all. Majority could be all about them pets, a few fan sites could prefer parties and suddenly all we would get would be party content.
At the same time the problem could be that they don't influence at all. "Teens are hard to tell apart". "Okay, we'll tell you that they're teens in text above their heads". And then silence. Influencer is satisfied, while a consumer might have continued pushing with "no, there's not enough teen activties! Teens are acting like adults and hence why we can't tell the age group apart!".
Yes I was very sad to hear that there would be no Open World in TS4 so what did I do?
I played one of the older games instead...
Funny thing is, some of the older games have toddlers in them as well. After all, installing TS4 does not uninstall toddlers from TS3 or TS2...
exactly why not play the sims 3 if you want toddlers i do i rarley play sims 4
my bigger problem is that it is so mature that discussion about it on the forums is banned and that suggesting something just as mature will get you yelled at, because it's not the demographic that they want.
That and if live update wasn't a thing, I would have left 90% of the patch in and taken out the people of same genders having babies as that was the part that I was trying to discuss, only to get shut down by the mods saying that obviously I'm the problem as I'm not tolerant enough. If I couldn't take just a chunk of the update, I would have opted out of it, the same way that I could have not bought Late Night if I didn't want the celebrity system.
OMG you're seriously getting on my nerves now. Just stop because you're showing your ignorance.
true, but, if toddlers were what you liked, why would you buy The Sims 4?
While they're great games, I just don't think "go back to TS2 or TS3" is a good way to approach the idea.
Charming!
Thanks for explaining, I didn't have the energy or patience. Plus it's obvious to anyone IMO.