I wanted to show some support for Sims 4 with this thread and was hoping some others might come forward to say they also love the game and despise the negativity. If by slim chance the people working on Sims 4 ever read these forums, I'd like them to see that some of us do love this game and appreciate their work....that's really what I was thinking. I wasn't looking for a new thread of hate but perhaps I was naive.
Nah you are not naive, people just like turning everything into something else to express how they feel.
I love the game too, the forums are so negative (not talking about the very goo constructive feedback some give), pure negativity sometimes. I mean is a game, a fun software, not a medicine software that needs to fit specific standards according to the law/health.
I hope we get more fun stuff. I like the game and get to work was very creative (aliens are my less fav supernatural but they were greatly done, best in the franchise imo), I love spa day have been waiting for years to get the cool detailed spas from Superstar. And they even put yoga classes in it, also very creative!
I am not saying the game is perfect, sometimes they cut corners like sims not waiting in line in get to work retail, or teens being the same height of adults (even though they look thinner and have different proportions, on the other hand I like to share the same adult and teen clothes, when I was a teen I bought adult clothes all the time, so is kinda more realistic than sims 2 for example, that teens had like 3 formal clothes lol). But nothing is ever perfect so if you are having fun just keep supporting and buying EPs, playing, etc till you enjoy playing
I really like Sims 4 and I am glad is nothing like how Sims 3 it plays.
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You said it yourself, everyone is entitled to their opinion. All criticism is constructive if it makes them work harder. The only thing that is utterly pointless are threads like these.
Why is this thread pointless? Because it is supporting TS4??
This thread isn't about supporting the game, it's about insulting those that don't. I don't appreciate being called a 'hater'. Everyone has the right to voice their own opinion on the game. I don't attack anyone personally, the gurus or Rachel. I do happen to think they are doing a bad job and that Rachel is not a good representative for this game. I don't insult her or the devs on a personal level and the majority don't either. Yes, occassionally comments go too far and I can understand why certain things get removed and deemed disrespectful but the majority of the 'haters' are fair minded simmers who happen to not unconditionally love this game. Sorry if that rains on your happy parade but you can thank us for free dishwashers, pools, basements, all things we would have been charged for if people like us didn't question our rights to get value for money in a base game.
The Op never called anyone a hater. In fact, she never insulted anyone. She is simply saying there is a different between constructive criticisms and wishing harm upon Rachel Franklin. If you have never attacked anyone personally over the game then the OP is not addressing you.
Maybe you have a short memory, but to be fair the title was edited We were explicitly directed to stop the hate, and the post was addressed to the general community the majority of which are NOT doing what the OP describes, so if some people who are dissatisfied with the game inferred that this was an uninformed blanket statement about them and have taken offence to it... well, surprise surprise.
I am SO sick of these threads that basically stating that for some reason, people who have spent upwards of thousands of dollars on something they've grown to love, don't deserve to speak our thoughts, out wishes and our frustrations. How else are Devs supposed to know what we want? Are we just supposed to smile and say, "thank you for short-changing us"? Sure, people have made a lot of personal attacks to certain people that are just a small part of a bigger problem but the main goal is the same. Glad you're optimistic that the game will get better over time, but not everyone else feels the same.
Actually, I've seen much more venom from the pro-TS4 supporters than anti-TS4.
I've seen people tell the "negative side" to stop acting like children, take a hike, face the truth, call them disrespectful little brats, "don't let the door hit you on the way out" and get constructive threads deleted or locked.
They've also created threads attacking specific people (not this one, it's more tame" and they've remained OPEN.
Honestly, the positive side is just as disrespectful as the negative side with exceptions to a few simmers.
> @Corey785 said: > Actually, I've seen much more venom from the pro-TS4 supporters than anti-TS4. > > I've seen people tell the "negative side" to stop acting like children, take a hike, face the truth, call them disrespectful little brats, "don't let the door hit you on the way out" and get constructive threads deleted or locked. > > They've also created threads attacking specific people (not this one, it's more tame" and they've remained OPEN. > > Honestly, the positive side is just as disrespectful as the negative side with exceptions to a few simmers.
Yup, heaven forbid anyone express an opinion that is not loving on Sims 4. As @sparkfairy1 has said numerous times, there is a massive difference between hate and feedback.
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Second, Where do we go? What other life Simulation do you think we should play?
Sims 1, 2 and 3 are still amazing games!
And who knows Sims 5 too. You may thank the complainers if it will come to that.
If you think that hateful or insulting attacks from the complainers will make the Sims 5 a better game then think again. The attacks has made the gurus leave this forum because people won't understand that they can't break the confidentiality contract they have signed with EA and tell about their work and knowledge on unannounced future stuff. Chasing the gurus away to other social media instead of having constructive discussions with them here doesn't help at all. The negativity here will probably also make EA even more stubborn to not obey what EA probably see as "some hateful immature kids demanding toddlers for their dollhouse game and not accepting EA's right to decide how to make EA's own games" because EA's top are of course interested in much more important economical subjects than such things and just see the Sims 4 as their own property which they pay for and has to market and sell.
I don't get all this Attack stuff people are talking about. Where is this attacking that is going on here to the Gurus?
There will always be trolls, that's the nature of the beast but saying we attack them and chase them away... it's, it's not true from where I'm standing.
I've seen the Ask a Guru topics. They can't answer but we have to ask. Who knows if they might that one day be able to answer and no one asks? It's the frustration of them having an ask the guru topic and not really being able to say anything but what their favorite color is.
If EA wants to see us as children then nothing we do would change that. They already - in my opinion - took us for granted,, now they can reap the rewards, so to speak.
To me this place is not so negative until so many come in and start calling us negative. Then we have to stand up and, "WTHeck are you saying."
I feel this is from people who only see the frustrated posts and the flippant (it's in my head now) comments by others - on all three sides of this.
.... and Now I'm lost with your last sentence.
Are people coming from other sites to stir up this place? There is not so much hate here, there is frustration and despair but the all out blind hate I keep hearing about these last few days are only by a small few. I'm so .... confused.
Have you ever seen a political press conference where the journalists keep asking the politicians about details they have discussed by closed doors? If the journalists do that then the press conference usually ends very quickly because the politicians soon become tired about answering that they can't talk about such confidential matters.
It is the same here. If I was a guru then I would also have left if I half of the time just have to keep answering that "We can't talk about future stuff" because I would also soon have been tired of repeating myself. Repeating yourself by giving the same answers to the same questions over and over again is never any fun.
I don't agree that you (and very many others) had to keep asking when you already knew that they couldn't answer. You have to trust them when they tell you that.
What I see as attacks on EA and the gurus isn't information about what you would have liked very much to have been in the games. It is the "threats" about boycotts and punishing EA for not making the game exactly as you wanted it. People seem to think that just because they also bought the earlier games this means that EA didn't have the right to omit any of the content which they liked from the new version of the game. But it is EA's game and in principle EA can do with it exactly what EA wants. Just as we usually can do with everything we own even if some other people don't like it.
So if EA stops the series or makes new versions of the game much smaller or different then there is nothing we can do about it. We aren't forced to keep buying the game and we can tell EA that we didn't like such changes. But we have no right at all to feel insulted because the game is EA's property and EA has therefore every right to do with it exactly what EA wants.
What EA don't have the right to do however, is state that all life stages from Sims3 will also be in Sims 4 when that clearly was not going to happen. To then ask those who have preordered the game based on this assertion to have faith and patience and not cancel the preorders after the announcement of no toddlers, pools, cars etc is deliberating misleading and there is simply no getting away from that. Reasons given for why the content was cut has varied over time, the latest being based on telemetry which is just ridiculous. EA can make whatever kind of game they like but the onus is on them to be upfront about the product they are selling and they simply have not done that with Sims 4. People have every right to express their dissatisfaction however they please and that does include telling others of their decision to boycott. EA are choosing to play a very foolish game with a fanbase that has proven to be loyal and lucrative.
I find it rather funny that not everyone has been able to advance from this silly stage of calling people "haters or sheep", or whatever derogatory term you like to use to vilify the opposing side. The reality is there is no one to vilify among the players. There are no sheep. There are no wolves. Both sides love the franchise. Both sides do not want to see its demise. Both sides are giving out their opinions. There is no need to make it personal. All you do is hurt each other and accomplish nothing. Both sides are to blame for this.
@CherbitDip Yes people have the right to tell others about their decision to boycott. Maybe also to threaten the gurus and their employer even though such a thing is usually just foolish.
Let us take an analogy: Let us assume that your baker stops making the kind of bread or special cake that you prefer. Or that your local supermarket stops selling your favorite toothpaste and start selling a different brand instead. You can tell the stores that you would have prefers that they wouldn't have done that and you can tell it to your friends too. Maybe even tell your friends that will switch to a different baker or supermarket where you can get something you prefer. But you will usually not go into the baker store or into the supermarket and yell or with an angry voice tell the storekeepers that you and some of your friends will start a boycott of the store until the store obey you and switches back to your preferred goods! In those cases you would instead be realistic enough to see that you wouldn't optain anything with that sort of threats.
I don't think all critisism around here is constructive, some goes closer to pointless nagging (sure you're free to do that too as long as it follows the rules). I think threads like this are about who feels comfortable being in this space and who doesn't. It's clear that there are people who don't feel comfortable because of the divide.
Absolutely. Some people can be very hostile and it creates a really bad vibe.
Oh yes, and threads like these are so much better!
Did you know there is a difference between criticizing a game and the game's creator(s) and judging other people on a forum? Yeah. But whatever floats your boat. This is just another flame bait thread meant to start another fight, this wasn't created for "positivity" at all.
@CherbitDip Yes people have the right to tell others about their decision to boycott. Maybe also to threaten the gurus and their employer even though such a thing is usually just foolish.
Let us take an analogy: Let us assume that your baker stops making the kind of bread or special cake that you prefer. Or that your local supermarket stops selling your favorite toothpaste and start selling a different brand instead. You can tell the stores that you would have prefers that they wouldn't have done that and you can tell it to your friends too. Maybe even tell your friends that will switch to a different baker or supermarket where you can get something you prefer. But you will usually not go into the baker store or into the supermarket and yell or with an angry voice tell the storekeepers that you and some of your friends will start a boycott of the store until the store obey you and switches back to your preferred goods! In those cases you would instead be realistic enough to see that you wouldn't optain anything with that sort of threats.
In the case you lay out we wouldn't complain to the local supermarkets but instead take it up directly with the company that manufactures the bread. And that's exactly what is being done here. We are not expressing dissatisfaction with the local stores that carry the game but are going directly to the developers and executives that make the decisions about the game.
@Erpe I'm not going to argue the point back and forth with you. We clearly disagree on a few things and that's ok, I don't feel the need to keep on hammering my point of view over and over again to try and convince you or others that I'm right. I don't think there is anything wrong in letting a developer of a game know where they have let some fans down, it is feedback plain and simple.
@CherbitDip Yes people have the right to tell others about their decision to boycott. Maybe also to threaten the gurus and their employer even though such a thing is usually just foolish.
Let us take an analogy: Let us assume that your baker stops making the kind of bread or special cake that you prefer. Or that your local supermarket stops selling your favorite toothpaste and start selling a different brand instead. You can tell the stores that you would have prefers that they wouldn't have done that and you can tell it to your friends too. Maybe even tell your friends that will switch to a different baker or supermarket where you can get something you prefer. But you will usually not go into the baker store or into the supermarket and yell or with an angry voice tell the storekeepers that you and some of your friends will start a boycott of the store until the store obey you and switches back to your preferred goods! In those cases you would instead be realistic enough to see that you wouldn't optain anything with that sort of threats.
Oh yay! we're resorting to reductio ad absurdum analogies now! Okay, I'll bite:
No, you wouldn't walk in to the store and start yelling because it's the store and what is the store clerk going to do for you. Instead, you'd ask for the customer service number, because your issue is not really the fact that they aren't selling your favourite toothpaste but that they pre-sold you an insufficient supply and told you more would be in stock later. So the sales clerk gives you the number and then you'd call up hoping to get a warm body, but rather you get an automated voice which asks you what your problem is, so you explain about the toothpaste problem, press a couple buttons, and send it all off with the pound key, and then then the voice says: "Sorry, I didn't understand please try again" so you sigh and repeat your issue and press the same key combination and pound key again and the voice says "So you would like to buy a gift certificate. Is this correct? Please press one followed by the pound sign." So then you shake your head and hang up, and think to yourself. "Fine, I'll just have to suck it up and try another toothpaste." But when you go back into the grocer you find that not only has the store stopped selling your favourite toothpaste, they've stopped selling toothpaste in general. And when you ask why the cashier shrugs and says that sales data shows that nobody wanted it. And then an annoyed shopper behind you snaps at you saying that you're holding up the queue with your whinging and that you should just go X chemist which is only a 10 minute drive away from your house because everybody knows they sell toothpaste there... so you go home even more frustrated and try calling the customer service again. And after 20 minutes of "Sorry, I didn't understand please try again" you start mashing the zero button and finally you get through... except that you have to sit on hold for another 30 minutes while static muzak with intermittent sales advertisements plays in the background. Finally, you hear a phone ring and you think oh yes thank goodness gee golly before a recording prompts "We are currently closed. Our office hours are from X to Z" which happens to be 15 minutes ago while you were still on hold. But you are informed that you can visit the site or at www.xyz.com and so you do and light of all joys there is a feedback forum link. So you click the link and you start to type , and perhaps you might apply liberal use of the caps lock key, and you have a few choice words for the way customer service is managed... and don't forget the toothpaste that is no longer being sold... and then to top it all off, some other poster pops into the forum with a tone that oddly reminds you of that shopper you exchanged words with says: "What are you ranting about in this forum about toothpaste and how you're not going to shop at LocalFoodStoreX anymore? What's wrong with you, it's not like toothpaste matters. There has got to be a store nearby that you can go to. Anyway, LocalFoodStoreX has the best produce around! And if you still don't understand let us take an analogy: Let's assume your favourite video game publisher..."
And, ironically, the main reason that these forums are so aggressive is the silence and lack of transparency from the Dev team. When they start actually taking responsibility and being open with their customers, I think you'll see a shift in many attitudes. Will there ever be a point when everyone is happy? Not likely, but them openly acknowledging the issues that they have created would be the first step towards a more pleasant forum experience.
They were, once. However nothing they did could make people satisfied, so... I would leave too. Just saying.
So when the going gets tough, just run and hide?
People like that are disqualified from being on my Zombie Apocalypse Survival Team.
Let us take an analogy: Let us assume that your baker stops making the kind of bread or special cake that you prefer. Or that your local supermarket stops selling your favorite toothpaste and start selling a different brand instead. You can tell the stores that you would have prefers that they wouldn't have done that and you can tell it to your friends too. Maybe even tell your friends that will switch to a different baker or supermarket where you can get something you prefer. But you will usually not go into the baker store or into the supermarket and yell or with an angry voice tell the storekeepers that you and some of your friends will start a boycott of the store until the store obey you and switches back to your preferred goods! In those cases you would instead be realistic enough to see that you wouldn't optain anything with that sort of threats.
Actually..
If they charged me $80 for that bread or toothpaste, and it turned out to be of less quality than the previous items I have bought from this place for cheaper..
I probably would yell, yes.
Especially if they took that toothpaste, and tried to have a dance party in front of me.
@CherbitDip Yes people have the right to tell others about their decision to boycott. Maybe also to threaten the gurus and their employer even though such a thing is usually just foolish.
Let us take an analogy: Let us assume that your baker stops making the kind of bread or special cake that you prefer. Or that your local supermarket stops selling your favorite toothpaste and start selling a different brand instead. You can tell the stores that you would have prefers that they wouldn't have done that and you can tell it to your friends too. Maybe even tell your friends that will switch to a different baker or supermarket where you can get something you prefer. But you will usually not go into the baker store or into the supermarket and yell or with an angry voice tell the storekeepers that you and some of your friends will start a boycott of the store until the store obey you and switches back to your preferred goods! In those cases you would instead be realistic enough to see that you wouldn't optain anything with that sort of threats.
In the case you lay out we wouldn't complain to the local supermarkets but instead take it up directly with the company that manufactures the bread. And that's exactly what is being done here. We are not expressing dissatisfaction with the local stores that carry the game but are going directly to the developers and executives that make the decisions about the game.
No people just started attacking the gurus and threatening them because the gurus couldn't promise them any of the changes those people wanted. (So the gurus left the forum.) In your analogy this would be the same as angrily threaten the local supermarket because the local supermarket couldn't promise you that the big bread-making company would change the taste of the bread in the ways that you wanted
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Nah you are not naive, people just like turning everything into something else to express how they feel.
I love the game too, the forums are so negative (not talking about the very goo constructive feedback some give), pure negativity sometimes. I mean is a game, a fun software, not a medicine software that needs to fit specific standards according to the law/health.
I hope we get more fun stuff. I like the game and get to work was very creative (aliens are my less fav supernatural but they were greatly done, best in the franchise imo), I love spa day have been waiting for years to get the cool detailed spas from Superstar. And they even put yoga classes in it, also very creative!
I am not saying the game is perfect, sometimes they cut corners like sims not waiting in line in get to work retail, or teens being the same height of adults (even though they look thinner and have different proportions, on the other hand I like to share the same adult and teen clothes, when I was a teen I bought adult clothes all the time, so is kinda more realistic than sims 2 for example, that teens had like 3 formal clothes lol). But nothing is ever perfect so if you are having fun just keep supporting and buying EPs, playing, etc till you enjoy playing
I really like Sims 4 and I am glad is nothing like how Sims 3 it plays.
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Maybe you have a short memory, but to be fair the title was edited
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> Spartan cry: MAXIS RAWRRRRR! :joy:
Brilliant!
I've seen people tell the "negative side" to stop acting like children, take a hike, face the truth, call them disrespectful little brats, "don't let the door hit you on the way out" and get constructive threads deleted or locked.
They've also created threads attacking specific people (not this one, it's more tame" and they've remained OPEN.
Honestly, the positive side is just as disrespectful as the negative side with exceptions to a few simmers.
> Actually, I've seen much more venom from the pro-TS4 supporters than anti-TS4.
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> I've seen people tell the "negative side" to stop acting like children, take a hike, face the truth, call them disrespectful little brats, "don't let the door hit you on the way out" and get constructive threads deleted or locked.
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> They've also created threads attacking specific people (not this one, it's more tame" and they've remained OPEN.
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> Honestly, the positive side is just as disrespectful as the negative side with exceptions to a few simmers.
Yup, heaven forbid anyone express an opinion that is not loving on Sims 4. As @sparkfairy1 has said numerous times, there is a massive difference between hate and feedback.
It's just a game.
Really, it's just a game.
I hope my Sims and lots aren't too terrible!
Have you ever seen a political press conference where the journalists keep asking the politicians about details they have discussed by closed doors? If the journalists do that then the press conference usually ends very quickly because the politicians soon become tired about answering that they can't talk about such confidential matters.
It is the same here. If I was a guru then I would also have left if I half of the time just have to keep answering that "We can't talk about future stuff" because I would also soon have been tired of repeating myself. Repeating yourself by giving the same answers to the same questions over and over again is never any fun.
I don't agree that you (and very many others) had to keep asking when you already knew that they couldn't answer. You have to trust them when they tell you that.
What I see as attacks on EA and the gurus isn't information about what you would have liked very much to have been in the games. It is the "threats" about boycotts and punishing EA for not making the game exactly as you wanted it. People seem to think that just because they also bought the earlier games this means that EA didn't have the right to omit any of the content which they liked from the new version of the game. But it is EA's game and in principle EA can do with it exactly what EA wants. Just as we usually can do with everything we own even if some other people don't like it.
So if EA stops the series or makes new versions of the game much smaller or different then there is nothing we can do about it. We aren't forced to keep buying the game and we can tell EA that we didn't like such changes. But we have no right at all to feel insulted because the game is EA's property and EA has therefore every right to do with it exactly what EA wants.
EA can make whatever kind of game they like but the onus is on them to be upfront about the product they are selling and they simply have not done that with Sims 4. People have every right to express their dissatisfaction however they please and that does include telling others of their decision to boycott. EA are choosing to play a very foolish game with a fanbase that has proven to be loyal and lucrative.
Let us take an analogy: Let us assume that your baker stops making the kind of bread or special cake that you prefer. Or that your local supermarket stops selling your favorite toothpaste and start selling a different brand instead. You can tell the stores that you would have prefers that they wouldn't have done that and you can tell it to your friends too. Maybe even tell your friends that will switch to a different baker or supermarket where you can get something you prefer. But you will usually not go into the baker store or into the supermarket and yell or with an angry voice tell the storekeepers that you and some of your friends will start a boycott of the store until the store obey you and switches back to your preferred goods! In those cases you would instead be realistic enough to see that you wouldn't optain anything with that sort of threats.
Oh yes, and threads like these are so much better!
Did you know there is a difference between criticizing a game and the game's creator(s) and judging other people on a forum? Yeah. But whatever floats your boat. This is just another flame bait thread meant to start another fight, this wasn't created for "positivity" at all.
In the case you lay out we wouldn't complain to the local supermarkets but instead take it up directly with the company that manufactures the bread. And that's exactly what is being done here. We are not expressing dissatisfaction with the local stores that carry the game but are going directly to the developers and executives that make the decisions about the game.
Oh yay! we're resorting to reductio ad absurdum analogies now!
No, you wouldn't walk in to the store and start yelling because it's the store and what is the store clerk going to do for you. Instead, you'd ask for the customer service number, because your issue is not really the fact that they aren't selling your favourite toothpaste but that they pre-sold you an insufficient supply and told you more would be in stock later. So the sales clerk gives you the number and then you'd call up hoping to get a warm body, but rather you get an automated voice which asks you what your problem is, so you explain about the toothpaste problem, press a couple buttons, and send it all off with the pound key, and then then the voice says: "Sorry, I didn't understand please try again" so you sigh and repeat your issue and press the same key combination and pound key again and the voice says "So you would like to buy a gift certificate. Is this correct? Please press one followed by the pound sign." So then you shake your head and hang up, and think to yourself. "Fine, I'll just have to suck it up and try another toothpaste." But when you go back into the grocer you find that not only has the store stopped selling your favourite toothpaste, they've stopped selling toothpaste in general. And when you ask why the cashier shrugs and says that sales data shows that nobody wanted it. And then an annoyed shopper behind you snaps at you saying that you're holding up the queue with your whinging and that you should just go X chemist which is only a 10 minute drive away from your house because everybody knows they sell toothpaste there... so you go home even more frustrated and try calling the customer service again. And after 20 minutes of "Sorry, I didn't understand please try again" you start mashing the zero button and finally you get through... except that you have to sit on hold for another 30 minutes while static muzak with intermittent sales advertisements plays in the background. Finally, you hear a phone ring and you think oh yes thank goodness gee golly before a recording prompts "We are currently closed. Our office hours are from X to Z" which happens to be 15 minutes ago while you were still on hold. But you are informed that you can visit the site or at www.xyz.com and so you do and light of all joys there is a feedback forum link. So you click the link and you start to type , and perhaps you might apply liberal use of the caps lock key, and you have a few choice words for the way customer service is managed... and don't forget the toothpaste that is no longer being sold... and then to top it all off, some other poster pops into the forum with a tone that oddly reminds you of that shopper you exchanged words with says: "What are you ranting about in this forum about toothpaste and how you're not going to shop at LocalFoodStoreX anymore? What's wrong with you, it's not like toothpaste matters. There has got to be a store nearby that you can go to. Anyway, LocalFoodStoreX has the best produce around! And if you still don't understand let us take an analogy: Let's assume your favourite video game publisher..."
So when the going gets tough, just run and hide?
People like that are disqualified from being on my Zombie Apocalypse Survival Team.
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Actually..
If they charged me $80 for that bread or toothpaste, and it turned out to be of less quality than the previous items I have bought from this place for cheaper..
I probably would yell, yes.
Especially if they took that toothpaste, and tried to have a dance party in front of me.