The open world was god awful, laggy, and lackluster. The world was full of deadzones and to be quite honest, the TS4 world isn't even closed. It's semi-open. Also a 10 second loading screen will not kill you
CASt was laggy.
Toddlers are only cute for the first couple times, then they're just a chore.
Pools? I never use them literally ever?
Cars? Who needs those? Especially in TS3 considering a free taxi chauffeured you around.
Everybody is just being a drama queen. It's just a game. Don't like it, don't buy it. Don't spam the threads with slander, or try to tell people what they're spending their own money on is wrong, that they're stupid, mindless, etc.
CASt was just coded badly in TS3. It didn't affect the rest of the game and the 'lag' was only for about 5 seconds once you load it. This doesn't mean they would have to get rid of it in the sequel, this would be a stupid reason if you ask me. Open World could be improved in TS4. Rip it completely apart is not a smart choice. Who guarantee it would be still buggy and laggy if they did it right? they are not even trying with it.
About Pools, Toddlers and Car are a matter of taste. I'm afraid you didn't reach your dealbreaker yet, but for each their own. Personally, i don't care how much these add to the Gameplay, as much it's there it's awesome. This is only a consequence of a rushed game coming from a project doomed from the start called Olympus.
I have to be honest, I could give a hoot about Toddlers not being in Sims 4 base game. I'm finding it ridiculously laughable reading 20 posts for a petition to not buy sims 4 and cancel pre-orders because of no toddlers. It's like a mini revolution over toddlers.
I love pools and swimwear and hot tubs BUT it still isn't a deal breaker for me.
The dealbreaker for me is actually the sims 3! I can't stand a lot of things about sims 3, especially puddy faced sims, sims 3 story progression, and only 1 family able to play per "save".
Sims 4 is going to deal differently with those things and for that I am happy.
Call it sacrilege, I wouldn't honestly care if the sims were ONLY ADULT, and the game focused on other things. While yes, I have played families and babies, I've never done a legacy. Why should sims cater Only to legacy players, as it seems to me the direction it has gone in.
Boo Hoo I'll bet you are ALL so into toddlers no one will show up at the sims 4 site or buy it, right?
Same for me, Zorba!!! My dealbreaker is the Sims 3, and this game still doesn't have the things that drove me away from Sims 3, so I am good 8) I'm pretty excited about Sims 4 actually!
Sometimes Less is More, have you ever thought of that?
You seriously just post that? Oh yes! I really want to spend upwards of £50 on a game that is even more stripped down and bare bones than what I thought the £40 TS3 was! :roll:
Let’s actually take stock of what we have less of here, shall we?
We have less customisation because they removed CASt.
We have less freedom to roam around as we please because they removed the open world.
We have fewer families because we have to share a maximum of 25 lots between residential and community lots (and that's a best case scenario, since these 5 neighbourhoods could contain anywhere from 2 - 5 lots 25 is literally the BEST we are ever going to get and it'll probably be a lot less than that).
We have fewer age groups yet they decided to keep a largely useless duplicate age group (YA and A – WHY?!)
(I'm not even going into the other things people suspect have been removed)
Oh yes! Removing all of these things is really giving us MORE in the long run isn’t it? Now don’t get me wrong – I don’t care about CASt and I never particularly cared for the open world either but stacked up with everything else? IT FREAKING MATTERS.
This game is worse than bare bones, it’s practically non-existent. I mean what do we really have to show for several years of development at this point? A bunch of repeated CAS videos and the emphasis that sims have emotions now. WOW.
If you want to buy the game that’s cool but please do not pretend that what has happened to this game has been for the benefit of the player; because it hasn’t.
Yes, I seriously posted That!
But hear me out. Everyone says this , this, and that was REMOVED. But just because it was IN sims 1, 2, or 3, doesn't mean it was IN sims 4 and then "removed". Maybe it just wasn't in sims 4 in the first place. O.K. that might sound like semantics but it could be reality.
Sometimes starting at "Bare Bones" is what's needed. And after the mostly crappy experience of sims 3, I'm all for it. Whether it is really "for the player" or not, well, I won't go so far as to argue That .
I AGREE with you about having adult AND Young Adult, I've been saying that forever. It came about because "young adults" go to university in sims 2. I understand that. Other than that I would prefer to have Just "Adult" age group.
You haven't played the game yet, and seeing a few videos, and hearing a few guru interviews isn't the same as having the game on your own computer. How can anyone say that the game feels like it's missing something?
Neither have you. I can tell you the game feels like it's missing something because there have been more things removed than there have been things added. The only things that I know for a fact that have been added (until EA decides to do a face heel turn and deny THOSE as well) are that sims feel things now and that CAS and build mode are more flexible. That's it. If that's enough "content" to add into a base game that retails at £50 then I don't understand why other gaming studios work so hard to produce real, legitimate fun blockbuster titles.
I detested TS3 as well. I hated how dumbed down, boring and lacking it was and for the longest time – I even quit the series halfway through because I got sick of being asked to shell out £30 every couple of months just on the off-chance that it might make the game more interesting for half an hour; never mind all the stupid store content that they withheld from those expansions.
I had high hopes that TS4 was going to bring back the magic and humour that TS2 had. Now though? Now this game sounds like it isn’t going to be much of a game at all and in true EA fashion they’re probably going to nickel and dime us for every little thing that should’ve been in the game. Geez and I thought TS3 was bad for that…
I mean there’s a limit here right? How much needs to be taken away from you before you sit up and think ‘hang on, what’s going on here? Why am I being expected to pay £50 for something that offers so little in return?’
Everyone has different breaking points, mine wasn’t reached until recently but come on. Even if you do still plan to buy the game you have to admit there is a LOT getting taken away here. This isn’t something people are complaining about simply to complain – these are core features of previous games that are being yanked right out from underneath us.
The open world was god awful, laggy, and lackluster. The world was full of deadzones and to be quite honest, the TS4 world isn't even closed. It's semi-open. Also a 10 second loading screen will not kill you
CASt was laggy.
Toddlers are only cute for the first couple times, then they're just a chore.
Pools? I never use them literally ever?
Cars? Who needs those? Especially in TS3 considering a free taxi chauffeured you around.
Everybody is just being a drama queen. It's just a game. Don't like it, don't buy it. Don't spam the threads with slander, or try to tell people what they're spending their own money on is wrong, that they're stupid, mindless, etc.
Pot = Kettle.
Elaborate?
Like I said; pot = kettle.
Or, if you need an explanation:-
You are telling people what to do while also undermining the importance of certain features that are gone. If you don't care about those features fine but do not act like they are not important because YOU don't care about them.
honestly I felt like that whole toddler stage was a bit annoying cute but... I wish it went faster.. it was a big help in Sims 3 when they added features to help you more but still wasnt much you can do with them... so.. yea i would take them out it... i think once we play we really wont miss them as much as we think... and pools... i build them never use them.. didnt even go to the community pool
Personally its clear now that the Sims 4 will be an entirely different beast from the Sims 3. Very little but the basics are carrying over and by basics I mean the Sims themselves, CAS and build mode.
Everything else has been changed up/added or removed.
Regarding toddlers I use them never and won't be missed. Babies - kids - teens - adults - elders. These are the basic stages of life, anything in between is simply details. Yes I know toddlers are a stage of life but in REAL life its like 2-3 years. Barely a few days via sims time...
The open world was god awful, laggy, and lackluster. The world was full of deadzones and to be quite honest, the TS4 world isn't even closed. It's semi-open. Also a 10 second loading screen will not kill you
CASt was laggy.
Toddlers are only cute for the first couple times, then they're just a chore.
Pools? I never use them literally ever?
Cars? Who needs those? Especially in TS3 considering a free taxi chauffeured you around.
Everybody is just being a drama queen. It's just a game. Don't like it, don't buy it. Don't spam the threads with slander, or try to tell people what they're spending their own money on is wrong, that they're stupid, mindless, etc.
Pot = Kettle.
Elaborate?
Like I said; pot = kettle.
Or, if you need an explanation:-
You are telling people what to do while also undermining the importance of certain features that are gone. If you don't care about those features fine but do not act like they are not important because YOU don't care about them.
They are.
They're not gone. They will be implemented at some point. I don't think they're important but that's not why I'm still gonna buy the game.
I'm not telling anybody to do anything other than be a decent person and respect others, nor am I insulting people who choose to not buy the game. They're already not buying the game but oh no, they're not satisfied with making their own decisions. They feel the need to force their opinions down everybody else's throats and make us feel bad for wanting something different from them.
The problem is toddlers and pools wont be added not because they CAN'T but because they care more about being able to get our money sooner and just release a game that is actually disgusting how obvious it is that its totally and completely incomplete
If TS4 is a entirely new game built from scratch like some people are saying and implying. I wonder why it's called TS4 and not something else in the first place.
The thing is, most of the anger isn't ONLY because of toddlers. Toddlers are just the straw that broke the camel's back.
it is all of the other basic things that have been cut and are undoing 14 years of franchise growth and development that people are raging about. it is the "misspeaking/misunderstandings". it is the blatant disregard for long time simmers wants. For what? Because they made a bad choice in the direction of the game? That isn't our fault, and we shouldn't have to pay for that bad choice by forking over $70 for a base game, that so far.... its only bragging rights are a CAS that "is like a game by itself" and tactile, intuitive, emotions. rah rah sis boom bah
We just want quality for our money. Not a stripped down skeleton of a franchise a lot of us have loved for 14 years.
Well put! This is exactly how I feel. I don't hardly play families but this was just too many red flags to be taken with a grain of salt. I won't be buying a stripped down, rushed out piece of regurgitated, online garbage mess just so the shareholders can make money the fourth quarter. I was HIGHLY upset over the open world being gone, GREATLY upset over CASt being removed and the ability to change colors, saddened by the small neighborhoods, dismayed over vehicle decor, PO'd over the inability to change public areas, shocked to see no pools in basegame... but when they took a life stage out, well that was the last straw for me. I'm not saying I won't buy it in the future if it has the chance of longevity to put most of these things back in (except open world and CASt I realize no hope of that.) However, I won't be patting EA on the back by buying their Game of Emotions in September.
I don't really care about toddlers, I very rarely even play families. I am probably one of the few that plays all single sims in a more social and dating type environment. My sims are usually career driven and only date and go to the clubs to socialize when they have days off. I play family every day in real life, I have a toddler and a 3 month old, I get my fair share of it.
Pools, I never even have my sims go swimming, I do like them for landscaping though.
My biggest problem with Sims 3 was the relationships between sims and how easy it was to build them and how every sim just liked every sim. I am looking forward to the emotion part of Sims 4 but I'm seriously worried that with all the emphasis on emotions the gameplay is going to be lacking. It just seems like the devs can never find a nice balance between the two things. Either the sims are robots and have no qualities or the environment is boring and the gameplay stale.
Here's to hoping they can find a balance with number 4.
The open world was god awful, laggy, and lackluster. The world was full of deadzones and to be quite honest, the TS4 world isn't even closed. It's semi-open. Also a 10 second loading screen will not kill you
CASt was laggy.
Toddlers are only cute for the first couple times, then they're just a chore.
Pools? I never use them literally ever?
Cars? Who needs those? Especially in TS3 considering a free taxi chauffeured you around.
Everybody is just being a drama queen. It's just a game. Don't like it, don't buy it. Don't spam the threads with slander, or try to tell people what they're spending their own money on is wrong, that they're stupid, mindless, etc.
Pot = Kettle.
Elaborate?
Like I said; pot = kettle.
Or, if you need an explanation:-
You are telling people what to do while also undermining the importance of certain features that are gone. If you don't care about those features fine but do not act like they are not important because YOU don't care about them.
They are.
They're not gone. They will be implemented at some point. I don't think they're important but that's not why I'm still gonna buy the game.
I'm not telling anybody to do anything other than be a decent person and respect others, nor am I insulting people who choose to not buy the game. They're already not buying the game but oh no, they're not satisfied with making their own decisions. They feel the need to force their opinions down everybody else's throats and make us feel bad for wanting something different from them.
First of all yes they are gone; we have absolutely no indication from EA that any of the things taken away are going to be implemented later and so until we do those things should be treated as what they are; gone.
(some things such as CASt and the open world can never come back).
Also; read your post again because you are doing exactly the same thing.
If TS4 is a entirely new game built from scratch like some people are saying and implying. I wonder why it's called TS4 and not something else in the first place.
It's built from scratch bc the original Sims 4 (Olympus) was online only. Once EA felt a massive backlash from the community, they quickly scrapped that idea and game and began working on what is now TS4. That's what I think they mean.
I have to be honest, I could give a hoot about Toddlers not being in Sims 4 base game. I'm finding it ridiculously laughable reading 20 posts for a petition to not buy sims 4 and cancel pre-orders because of no toddlers. It's like a mini revolution over toddlers.
I love pools and swimwear and hot tubs BUT it still isn't a deal breaker for me.
The dealbreaker for me is actually the sims 3! I can't stand a lot of things about sims 3, especially puddy faced sims, sims 3 story progression, and only 1 family able to play per "save".
Sims 4 is going to deal differently with those things and for that I am happy.
Call it sacrilege, I wouldn't honestly care if the sims were ONLY ADULT, and the game focused on other things. While yes, I have played families and babies, I've never done a legacy. Why should sims cater Only to legacy players, as it seems to me the direction it has gone in.
Boo Hoo I'll bet you are ALL so into toddlers no one will show up at the sims 4 site or buy it, right?
Well good for you, special snowflake.
Troll harder.
See, for trolls like you, it's okay for the game to suck because YOU love it no matter what. But if anyone else has complaints or whatever, they're all "BOO HOO HOO whiners".
I don't care about toddlers. They may bring them back they may not. I usually push them through to teens pretty fast anyway. This saves me a step.
If it does not return to the humor and charm of TS2 I am done. If it does I will pay the money. The Sims is more than just a game it is a hobby. As far as hobbies go this one is really only moderately expensive.
I kind of feel like they realized the open world was a big mistake but were stuck with it. You may have had loading screens in TS2 but the destinations and gameplay had so much more depth.
I care about toddlers. I don't care about thesims3 toddlers though, but I was hoping that they would be improved on in sims4 not removed completely.
It's not a dealbreaker for me though. If the baby, child and teen lifestates turns out to be real fun I will dry my tears
First of all yes they are gone; we have absolutely no indication from EA that any of the things taken away are going to be implemented later and so until we do those things should be treated as what they are; gone. (some things such as CASt and the open world can never come back).
I would not say they could NEVER come back.
There’s nothing preventing adding additional ages as the game evolves. CASt is a good example of a feature that is not technically feasible to add post launch.
Graham Nardone
I played Sims 1 from the start. The way the babies went from lying in a cot crying to going to school as soon as they stood up was very unsatisfying.
I think some players who've never played it that way are in for a shock. Not that I care - here we only care about what affects us, and our own selfish little way of playing, right?
First of all yes they are gone; we have absolutely no indication from EA that any of the things taken away are going to be implemented later and so until we do those things should be treated as what they are; gone. (some things such as CASt and the open world can never come back).
I would not say they could NEVER come back.
There’s nothing preventing adding additional ages as the game evolves. CASt is a good example of a feature that is not technically feasible to add post launch.
Graham Nardone
There is still hope for you cast lovers
I don’t understand how they could implement CASt and an open world at this point. Both of those things require the game to be coded for it from the beginning and, unless EA are being utter greedy, scummy d.i.c.k.s hiding that kind of stuff in the base game’s code I just can’t reasonably see them coming back.
I'm extremely upset about toddlers not being in the base game. They are a lifestage, a key component in simulating life, not a game feature that can be tossed in at anytime.
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CASt was just coded badly in TS3. It didn't affect the rest of the game and the 'lag' was only for about 5 seconds once you load it. This doesn't mean they would have to get rid of it in the sequel, this would be a stupid reason if you ask me. Open World could be improved in TS4. Rip it completely apart is not a smart choice. Who guarantee it would be still buggy and laggy if they did it right? they are not even trying with it.
About Pools, Toddlers and Car are a matter of taste. I'm afraid you didn't reach your dealbreaker yet, but for each their own. Personally, i don't care how much these add to the Gameplay, as much it's there it's awesome. This is only a consequence of a rushed game coming from a project doomed from the start called Olympus.
Same for me, Zorba!!! My dealbreaker is the Sims 3, and this game still doesn't have the things that drove me away from Sims 3, so I am good 8) I'm pretty excited about Sims 4 actually!
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Neither have you. I can tell you the game feels like it's missing something because there have been more things removed than there have been things added. The only things that I know for a fact that have been added (until EA decides to do a face heel turn and deny THOSE as well) are that sims feel things now and that CAS and build mode are more flexible. That's it. If that's enough "content" to add into a base game that retails at £50 then I don't understand why other gaming studios work so hard to produce real, legitimate fun blockbuster titles.
I detested TS3 as well. I hated how dumbed down, boring and lacking it was and for the longest time – I even quit the series halfway through because I got sick of being asked to shell out £30 every couple of months just on the off-chance that it might make the game more interesting for half an hour; never mind all the stupid store content that they withheld from those expansions.
I had high hopes that TS4 was going to bring back the magic and humour that TS2 had. Now though? Now this game sounds like it isn’t going to be much of a game at all and in true EA fashion they’re probably going to nickel and dime us for every little thing that should’ve been in the game. Geez and I thought TS3 was bad for that…
I mean there’s a limit here right? How much needs to be taken away from you before you sit up and think ‘hang on, what’s going on here? Why am I being expected to pay £50 for something that offers so little in return?’
Everyone has different breaking points, mine wasn’t reached until recently but come on. Even if you do still plan to buy the game you have to admit there is a LOT getting taken away here. This isn’t something people are complaining about simply to complain – these are core features of previous games that are being yanked right out from underneath us.
Like I said; pot = kettle.
Or, if you need an explanation:-
You are telling people what to do while also undermining the importance of certain features that are gone. If you don't care about those features fine but do not act like they are not important because YOU don't care about them.
They are.
Everything else has been changed up/added or removed.
Regarding toddlers I use them never and won't be missed. Babies - kids - teens - adults - elders. These are the basic stages of life, anything in between is simply details. Yes I know toddlers are a stage of life but in REAL life its like 2-3 years. Barely a few days via sims time...
They're not gone. They will be implemented at some point. I don't think they're important but that's not why I'm still gonna buy the game.
I'm not telling anybody to do anything other than be a decent person and respect others, nor am I insulting people who choose to not buy the game. They're already not buying the game but oh no, they're not satisfied with making their own decisions. They feel the need to force their opinions down everybody else's throats and make us feel bad for wanting something different from them.
Well put! This is exactly how I feel. I don't hardly play families but this was just too many red flags to be taken with a grain of salt. I won't be buying a stripped down, rushed out piece of regurgitated, online garbage mess just so the shareholders can make money the fourth quarter. I was HIGHLY upset over the open world being gone, GREATLY upset over CASt being removed and the ability to change colors, saddened by the small neighborhoods, dismayed over vehicle decor, PO'd over the inability to change public areas, shocked to see no pools in basegame... but when they took a life stage out, well that was the last straw for me. I'm not saying I won't buy it in the future if it has the chance of longevity to put most of these things back in (except open world and CASt I realize no hope of that.) However, I won't be patting EA on the back by buying their Game of Emotions in September.
Pools, I never even have my sims go swimming, I do like them for landscaping though.
My biggest problem with Sims 3 was the relationships between sims and how easy it was to build them and how every sim just liked every sim. I am looking forward to the emotion part of Sims 4 but I'm seriously worried that with all the emphasis on emotions the gameplay is going to be lacking. It just seems like the devs can never find a nice balance between the two things. Either the sims are robots and have no qualities or the environment is boring and the gameplay stale.
Here's to hoping they can find a balance with number 4.
First of all yes they are gone; we have absolutely no indication from EA that any of the things taken away are going to be implemented later and so until we do those things should be treated as what they are; gone.
(some things such as CASt and the open world can never come back).
Also; read your post again because you are doing exactly the same thing.
It's built from scratch bc the original Sims 4 (Olympus) was online only. Once EA felt a massive backlash from the community, they quickly scrapped that idea and game and began working on what is now TS4. That's what I think they mean.
Well good for you, special snowflake.
Troll harder.
See, for trolls like you, it's okay for the game to suck because YOU love it no matter what. But if anyone else has complaints or whatever, they're all "BOO HOO HOO whiners".
Again, troll harder.
If it does not return to the humor and charm of TS2 I am done. If it does I will pay the money. The Sims is more than just a game it is a hobby. As far as hobbies go this one is really only moderately expensive.
I kind of feel like they realized the open world was a big mistake but were stuck with it. You may have had loading screens in TS2 but the destinations and gameplay had so much more depth.
It's not a dealbreaker for me though. If the baby, child and teen lifestates turns out to be real fun I will dry my tears
- 'I don't care about chairs. my Sims always stand' -
If the households size limit were 5
- 'I never play more than 5 Sims in one house anyway, so, i don't care'-
If there are no Ghosts in TS4
- 'I don't care about ghosts anyway, i don't like creatures in my game'-
If there are no Family Trees in TS4
- 'I don't care about this. I never play families and this doesn't add anything to the Gameplay'-
If there are no empty lots for you to build houses, at all
- 'Not a problem. I will simply demolish every EA premade houses and build mines'-
LOL! Are you for real?
I would not say they could NEVER come back.
There is still hope for you cast lovers
I think some players who've never played it that way are in for a shock. Not that I care - here we only care about what affects us, and our own selfish little way of playing, right?
I don’t understand how they could implement CASt and an open world at this point. Both of those things require the game to be coded for it from the beginning and, unless EA are being utter greedy, scummy d.i.c.k.s hiding that kind of stuff in the base game’s code I just can’t reasonably see them coming back.