Hey everyone,
I just have to share with all of you my opinion. I am SO triggered. I myself have been pretty sceptical about TS4 in the past on these forums. I didn't even want toddlers to begin with, but hanging around here made me want them too. I got really annoyed by the fact that EA seemed to just ignore all of us and our wishes. Guess what? They gave us toddlers. The ecstasy lasted for about a week, then new people started making threads called "We've got toddlers, next pets?". Creating pets probably took EA a HUGE amount of time. Just imagine all the programming, animating etc. and guess what? They gave us pets.
Now people are whining that there are no horses in this pack. Now come on. They gave us toddles, and now cats and dogs which are considered the two most common pets. Why would there be horses in a pet pack? I never understood the addition of horses in TS3, but in TS3 you had a better use of them because there was an open world.
Do you want to hang out on your lot and have a random horse walking around? Why do random horses make sense? The first thing I did after installing TS3 was switching off stray horses, because why is that even a thing? I don't imagine anyone in real life would like to sit on their couch watching tv and having a horse next to them on their couch. It. Just. Makes. No. Sense.
Of course, we can all wish what we want. But please. The devs just showed us quadrupeds are possible and there might even be a "farm animal" pack in which horses would make much more sense. Let's not take the HUGE amount of work the devs put in ANY game for granted. Just imagine how hard it is for them? They are trying to focus on more content but instead we are all whining.
Please stop the "I'm not getting this because there are no horses" nonsense. Because we all know you're getting it anyway. Because cats and dogs are friggin' cute.
Amen.
btw: it's so funny how on the Facebook posts about this pack, the people who ask "where are the horses" 7 out of 10 time have profile pictures with horses. Ugh.
Sorry for any grammar or other mistakes. English is not my native language.
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Plus they had to make them from scratch.
The Sims 2 recycled them from Urbz, The Sims 3 recycled them from The Sims 2.
And EA probably gave them the same budget.
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Since this is the first time we've had a Pets pack that doesn't recycle Pets from previous games, we might be paying for less content, but more workmanship.
Like, we previously paid for recycled content and a few small pets, and horses. Now we're paying for brand new content.
As someone who played Urbz, The Sims 2 & The Sims 3, I've become really bored with Pets over the years because they are always. the. same. After 10 years, it was predictable.
This is the first time that I'm excited because we'll actually get some new Pets, with brand new animations, AI etc. I'm excited that Cats roam around the house like a full on cat (like climb furniture, bench tops, tops of fridges etc) rather than just the usual.
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I can't agree with you more on that one.
Exactly. All I hear from the Sims community is "More! More! More!" I am completely happy with C&D if the quality is above average. They want all of this extra stuff and animals and abilities. Imho, it slowed down my TS3 game even with a high grade gaming computer. It was too much junk.
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I'm slightly disappointed at no horses but in all honesty I wasn't expecting it. Without an open world it would be pointless and I wasn't a fan of stray horses either. I am hopeful for a farm pack.
People forget to separate EA and Maxis. EA control the budget. Maxis are the ones that have to make do with what they get.
SimGuruGrant confirmed that they get the same budget for an EP no matter what kind it is, back with City Living (he was working on Pets at the time as well).
Previously, they chose to recycle content in order to add new content (more small animals, horses). While the community would have loved the same Cats & Dogs for a 4th time (as they are the same in Urbz, TS2 & TS3) + TS3 horses, and maybe additional Pets, they outcome probably would have been poor and predictable.
Cats, for example, sound like they've had a major overhaul compared to their Sims 3 days. And you can see how good the AI is for Pets in the trailer.
The work this time went to rebuilding Cats and Dogs from the ground up. Previously they took whatever they had from the previous game, and added a few things more.
Combine brand new Pets, with a brand new Career the level of Dine Out (which was a GP itself) and then how incredible the world looks (it literally looks like they spent huge amounts of time on it) and THEN with how much CAS + BB (I've literally seen like 6 female hairs alone).
It's a good sized EP. People just don't know that previously Cats & Dogs in The Sims were recycled.
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Sims 3 was nowhere near a recyclement of Sims 2 though. It's so much more than Sims 2 in many ways. I can't say the same about Sims 4 compared to Sims 3. It's a step backwards (and probably because of budget cuts) no matter how you look at it.
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I agree, but The Sims 3 could be "more" because they had The Sims 2 engine to start with and then added on more to each.
The Sims 4 is a great engine, and you can see the work and passion they have put into the game, but yeah, you can tell the limitations come from the budget itself. When you see the devs on twitter answer questions like "What are the chances of Color Wheels outside of Pets?" with "We focused 100% on CAP" you can tell they know that certain decisions seem odd, but they it was either add a feature to the best they could, or not bother.
Like with Apartments, they probably had the choice to make really good apartments with extra gameplay, but for SM only, or make run of the mill, single household only apartments if they made it so you could add them anywhere.
The budget doesn't allow for both. Also, things like CAP, show that the engine *can* do things and is flexible (people on here say it's a crap one) but it's whether they have the money to put towards it. I reckon if EA funded a color wheel for hair, we'd have one asap.
When you see that they argued between Non Playable and Playable Pets for months, that's a clear sign to me they couldn't afford both play styles.
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I almost wonder if The Sims 5 will use an expanded Sims 4 engine. It would be interesting to see The Sims 4 with more of a budget.
I remember even The Sims 2 base game had budget cuts (like Weather and Cars) but they also cut scenery like you saw in The Sims Bustin Out/Sims Urbz, and half heartedly added it back in with Uni (2D sprites woohoo).
I almost wonder if The Sims 5 does reuse the Sims 4, if it will be more what people expected with The Sims 4. Perhaps more Open Areas, more customisation, Toddlers etc from the start.
It's interesting to think about.
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Well since sims 4 was Olympus engine. I think there not going to use this engine ever again. Its too limited,whic make sense because this is meant to be an online game. If we do get a sims 5, will either get new engines or go back to the old one.
Personally I like where the Sims series is going and I like that it won't be the exact same game over and over again. Sure there are some things I miss from previous games but they are still releasing content; there's still a chance things like horses may be added at a later date in their own pack. I just wish people would appreciate the game for what it is so far; you have to admit, it's come a LONG way since release.
I'm so happy I'm not the only one. Since day one people have been whining about Pets. There has been multiple threads about it, written by the same people, too. It's like some of you guys have nothing else to do with your time.
A thread asking what you want the next ep to be? Pets.
Patches come out? People whining about why pets weren't patched in. (??? Seriously?)
I unfortunately belong in the small community of not wanting what the majority wants, which includes seasons, pets, and laundry. I want new things. But sadly, most players just want the same things, even though they can easily go back to the sims 3 and play with their lovely animals and passive seasons there.
Lo and behold!! Pets was announced!! Everyone must be happy, right? WRONG.
Now they're complaining about pets not being controllable. Now they're asking for seasons (please people, be quiet about seasons for once), and horses not being included like op mentioned, and this and that. Like, are you kidding me?? The devs gave you what you wanted!! And you guys have the audacity to still whine as if the world revolves around you! No!!!
Be grateful for what you have! Coding is not easy!! I took one coding class and I can't believe how these devs are able to do these things!! It's hard!!
For goodness sakes, relax on the forums and let people who actually want new things (off the grid/farming) get a chance in the spot light!
You make it sound like its the first time its ever happened on these forums
Im extremly happy and grateful we are getting Cats and Dogs, cant wait! Looking forward to comparing them from their predecessors of Sims 2 and Sims 3 and exploreing Pets.....no we just need some weather.....
@ElenPink I understand where your coming from but unfortunatly theres more money in majoritys than minoritys...bit of a bugger that but keep up the good fight!