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New Pronouns- Combinations
LSM36
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I saw some of the info on the new pronouns and I was just wondering if they would make it possible to combine them? Like in the recap video I saw talking about the announcement& on the website, it's just She/Her, He/Him, They/Them, and Custom allows for singular, plural, and possessive pronouns of your choice for one pronoun.
But what if you're a She/her They/them? And you want to make a sim like that too? It's totally great that they're bringing this in, and it's probably not done yet, so hopefully they make an option for people who use multiple pronouns. Or the option for people/sims who/to use Any pronoun.
Also trying to figure out exactly what this will affect in game. I haven't played in awhile, so maybe a lot has updated communication wise, but the only instance I can think of pronouns being used in game is when you ask a sim what they think of another sim. But I may be wrong.
So I'm wondering if they're gonna make new interactions and dialouges. Bc most of the time other sims are just referred to by their names. Or if it's just more something to make us feel better bc they're working on being more inclusive, which is fine.
But what if you're a She/her They/them? And you want to make a sim like that too? It's totally great that they're bringing this in, and it's probably not done yet, so hopefully they make an option for people who use multiple pronouns. Or the option for people/sims who/to use Any pronoun.
Also trying to figure out exactly what this will affect in game. I haven't played in awhile, so maybe a lot has updated communication wise, but the only instance I can think of pronouns being used in game is when you ask a sim what they think of another sim. But I may be wrong.
So I'm wondering if they're gonna make new interactions and dialouges. Bc most of the time other sims are just referred to by their names. Or if it's just more something to make us feel better bc they're working on being more inclusive, which is fine.
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If a sim feels like a “she” on a Monday and a “they” on a Tuesday, I’m sure it would be easy enough to change that in CAS.
For the team to figure out different pronouns in some of the 18 different languages is challenging enough, let alone the implementation of a combination of many.
Or is there something I’m not getting?
At any rate, I am really hoping for total optional customization here so that you can just type in whatever you want, hopefully, and then get dialogue options for that, and otherwise I really hope the game goes back to assuming gender based on CAS and using standard English. I think they should make sure there is not a small letter cap for the customization.
I support them adding it, even if I don't use it. I think it's more important for trans players creating a self-Sim and having fun with the game. It's not really something I need, but maybe we will get some new art work like paintings or deco objects from a Trans artist during the update so that would be cool. I don't want Maxis to try and be a pronoun pioneer and attempt to make history, they already lost that crown to Animal Crossing, so they should just focus on fixing bugs, making new content and refreshing packs not spend millions of dollars researching global pronouns in hundreds of languages because our Sims speak Simlish.
I would hazard a guess and say that the system is opt-in, so you won't have to go through all your Sims and manually set their preferred pronoun. Perhaps it'll live alongside the clothing choice and walk style selections in CAS. This is conjecture on my part though.
I haven't really been keeping up with new stuff in the game. Time for me to track down some info on this feature.
https://ea.com/games/the-sims/the-sims-4/news/customizable-pronouns-coming-to-the-sims-4
You can probably write what you want (outside of things covered by the profanity filter) if you want to poke fun - but be aware there's a difference between pronouns (words like 'her' 'they', 've' etc.) and nouns (words like woman, onion, the things you added) which aren't the thing this update relates to.
https://twitter.com/TheSimCommunity/status/1483523796925571080
It's possible we'll be able to type "she/they" in one box and all the TNS will use that text as written. "Della got promoted. She/they now make(s) $X per hour" - The issue I see here is the phrasing/grammar: she makes vs they make.
From what I saw, I don't think it supports multiple, but I do think it's customizable if someone does want to change a sim's pronouns whenever one wants to. So if someone feels like "They/Them" on a day, the can change it on the fly.
I have no memory of this place. Time to start anew I guess
https://graphics.reuters.com/GENDER-LANGUAGE/LGBT/mopanqoelva/index.html
Thanks for sharing this. It was well written.
Of course, I'm speculating here, but if it's just a blank to fill then you might perhaps be able to specify she/they, though presumably that would lead to the blanks always being filled in that way. One thing I hope is that you don't need to enter cas.fulleditmode to update/change them like you need to when you want to change names, hopefully they're not locked in.
Again, I emphasize I'm just speculating, and they might just change the way strings work entirely for this, so I could be wrong.
I can't speak for OP specifically, but as someone who prefers she/her and they/them, I'm on the non-binary scale and while I use "she/her" for the most part cause it's easier irl; sometimes I dislike it and would prefer to use they/them instead (but flip flop between). But most of the time I would be fine with either.
But yeah, this is something I can imagine just you can change in CAS whenever you want.
Irl it looks like people displaying their pronouns in places where they commonly display their name (I.e. email signatures, name badges, social media such as twitter Instagram and LinkedIn). This is especially helpful online and during web communication as we usually have to assume someone’s gender based on context clues that we may or may not be reading wrong. If it’s right there it takes out the guess work. I have no way of knowing how you, @dearie_blossom identify. Sure I can guess, but based off what?? Stereotypes?? A picture of a sim??
In the business world, especially now that many of us are working out of office, it is especially helpful when interacting with clients/coworkers who we haven’t met or been properly introduced to. I have a “gender neutral” name, many of my clients haven’t met me and assume I’m he/him till they see my pronouns in my email. I’ve had that same problem on my end, it’s difficult to address an email to Mr./Ms if I don’t know which they prefer.
People also purchase pins to place on clothes/backpacks. My partner was gushing over a she/they mug at target. People like to have their identities recognized and validated. No one is asking anyone to go around “asking for someone’s pronouns every ten seconds”, just to be mindful that sometimes when you assume someone else’s pronouns you can be wrong, they may correct you, and you should adjust going forward. I’m sorry it’s tiring to be considerate of others pronouns, it’s just as tiring to be misgendered. Especially when you are constantly having to correct others or defend your choice.
I wanted to respond to your comment but I’ve seen many people on these pronoun threads echo your sentiment. While many seem to be under the impression that “pronouns are only a thing on twitter” and “only 3% of the population care/are affected by this” is simply not true. And even if it was, what makes that “3%” any less important, valid, or real than any of you?
Just when you thought it was safe to come out of the closet: local users says seeing pronouns makes him transphobic.
That is not what I said. I said it does not leave a positive impression when I view it, no matter who. One reason I only made it to question 2 in the interview linked in one of the pronoun threads was because it was repeated with every response even though the same 2 people were listed. That was a too in-your-face overkill. If there is a need to list it, only once is enough. Some of us concentrate on more important things. Like I concentrate on the impression an individual gives me based my interaction with the person IRL or in online.
Person A has she/her and they/them in the bio. How do you know which one to choose? I‘m asking because this thread is about multiple pronouns.
Does it matter? I have been referred to as ‘he’ on forums before. I have had e-mails say ‘Dear Mr. [lastname]‘. I have had my last name confused for my first name. Some of my contracts are under a wrong name because people put a ‘n’ where there is none. I too have messed up a few times. At most it’s an annoyance. I don’t understand why some people act like it’s some capital offense or apocalypse.
Just as you said. You have no way of knowing me. And this is true for 99.9% of people you interact with actively or passively. You will not know the preferred pronouns of the the person standing behind you in line. You will not know the preferred pronouns of the person harassing you in the club. You will not know the preferred pronouns of the person who was caught cheating on the spouse. So what do you do when you want to talk about these people? You make assumptions and almost every single time your assumptions will be correct.
Sure, the 3% aren’t less important but they aren’t more important neither. I’m not walking on egg shells for the 97% so why should I do it for the 3%? I’m not going out of my way to accommodate the 97% so why should I do it for the 3%? Imagine if everyone was expected to write their name in phonetic alphabet next to their name just because some people are tired of having their name constantly mispronounced, e.g. Ashley (áʃlɪj). This is how ridiculous the pronouns/gender identity debate sounds to me.
You know... back in the day.....When gay and lesbian folks were not allowed to be legally married (and some countries still don't allow this and some places are even still dangerous and prejudiced for many LGBTQ+ folks, including places in US)... when LGBTQ+ folks were dealing with lots more prejudice, or even be allowed to be shown kissing or having any public displays of affection. When LGBTQ+ folks were bullied, insulted, belittled, killed.... And still dealing with a lot of that (but more subtle) to this day around the world....
If anyone dared to show LGBTQ+ couples, or ask gay marriage, or gay couples to be shown on the media, etc, then they're being shouted down as being "too political", "too controversial", "gross/disgusting", etc.
Some countries even criminalized (and still do) LGBT relationships. Gay/lesbian/trans folks were bullied and even killed. (Look up LGBT history.)
Amazing how much progress has been made, huh? (And we STILL have a looong way to go, as there is still lots of prejudice towards LGBT+ and PoC folks even today).
Sims had gay/lesbian couples since The Sims, which was a big deal and a great step in progress. This was BEFORE gay marriage was even legalized in real life (in US or in many parts of the world)!
I also remembered back when Sims 2 had what, "unions", NOT marriage!
Sims has ALWAYS been about being inclusive, so I'm really glad other folks are getting represented.
Remember, us LGBT folks still face prejudice around the world over, and only some countries have recently added legalized gay marriage. And yet, the Sims games still remembered to still represent us (gay/lesbian/bi).
Now, another minority wishes to be represented, so that's good and another step for progress. Sims was always taking steps forward for many folks, including the underrepresented.
Representation is never a bad goal, but one that can be badly done, of course. Still, we can always continue to voice for better representation--and for better games, of course. (We can ask for both!)
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Why is it bad for some folks to display pronouns (in real life/online)? You don't have to display pronouns if you don't want to, but other folks should have a choice to have the option to have these pronoun choices in real life and online.
The pronoun in the Live Mode in the game is a bit cramped, yes, I do agree with that, and I don't want the pronouns in the name either, but the whole thing about some folks choosing their pronouns in real life/online (outside of the game) shouldn't be a big deal, though...?
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