I personally would like to see a life stage added between child and teen or shorter teens. In my game I feel like there is a gap there that I would like to see filled. I have stated many other reasons many times on other threads about this subject so I will not bore everyone by repeating all of them.
I do not understand the hostility this topic generates. People are stating opinions they feel would improve their game. The same way other people do. What makes this opinion so toxic that others attack, name call and derail these threads so they are closed. Why are some so threatened by this idea. That is all it is. An idea that some would like to see included their game.
We're not going to get shorter teens. They'd have to pretty much re-do the entire CAS catalog for that. I think that making certain outfits teen appropriate and adding an age filter (like they did with the gender filter) could be an option so you don't have elders stomping around town looking like High School Musical extras rejects. You could remove the filter for your own Sims if you wanted but the NPCs would be more limited.especially the game generated ones.
I think the controversy over the topic is because it's something totally new, and not everyone sees a purpose to it. And if they're going to add them in it would have to be as a patch the way they did toddlers otherwise it makes the programming for aging up a lot more complicated. I'd prefer to see the resources used to give the current 6 lifestages (not counting the baby objects but if there could be a way to free them from their bassinet and give them some CAS and a few additional features, maybe a baby carrier so you can take them places that would be awesome) more definition and uniqueness.
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Personally I'd love preteens, but it seems that people are split on it. It could add a new dimension to the aging process if done right. But if having no preteens means the devs have more resources to allocate to other features, I wouldn't mind.
I guess what I'm saying is that they're a welcome addition for me, but not exactly a must-have.
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Oookaaaay. I'm seeing some posts here that count 5-year-olds as toddlers. Since when? 5 is too old to be considered a toddler. In fact, categorizing real life ages, it's always gone like this in my head:
Infant: Under a year old. First signs of an individual personality begin to appear.
Toddler: 1-3. By 1 year, too dang old to have their age stated in months. Personality really starts to shine through, the learning of right and wrong begins.
Pre-Schooler: 3-4. Too old to not know how to walk, talk, or use the toilet, but young enough to be allowed to stay at home with a parent without the parents being arrested.
Elementary School Aged: 5-10. Old enough that now it's a criminal offense to not ship them off to the meat grinder known as school unless you've gone through the process of being approved to homeschool your kids, but too young to date or go more than a few blocks away from home without an adult or teenager to escort them and definitely too young for a smart phone.
Middleschooler: 11-13. Old enough to learn algebra, do their own laundry, change their own bed sheets, start feeling those first stabs of puberty, and go a little farther from home without someone older to supervise. Too young to drive or date. The more responsible kids in this age group might be allowed to have something fancier than a simple flip phone if they keep their grades up and don't talk smack or cause trouble.
Highschooler: 14-17. Old enough to date and travel long distances away from home without supervision, really being slapped in the face by puberty now, and chomping at the bit to finish school so they can get a job and get out of their parents' house already. Can be allowed to have a smart phone if their grades and behavior are both good. Also, old enough at 15-16 to get kicked out of the house if they don't straighten up and fly right.
Young Adult: 18-25. Probably stuck in some form of education after high school because they don't want to be on welfare, just getting their first adult job after that, having a few years of selfish life enjoyment before thinking about marriage and children.
Young-ish Adult: 26-39. Old enough to start seriously considering marriage and children if that's their thing. If their job is good enough, they're probably even considering buying a house. If they decide not to marry or have children, they're finishing off those student loan payments, fighting their way to a favorable position in their career path of choice, and just enjoying life without kids to look after or parents all in their business. Toward the later part of this stage, many people forget just how hard it was to be a kid or a teenager.
Middle Age: 40-60. Hair starts going gray, body starts falling to pieces, kids (if they have any) are old enough to be in those middle school and high school years where they start to be a real pain in the butt and the parents are just as anxious as the kids for them to finally be old enough to go off on their own and take care of themselves. Mid-life crisis or happiness-hating crabbiness may occur if the individual bailed on way too many of their big life goals in exchange for a comfortable existence. By this time, most have totally forgotten how hard it is to be a kid or a teenager...some have even forgotten the hardships of their 20's and 30's.
Old Age: 60+. The body continues to deteriorate, hair goes totally gray, and being a grand parent may become a thing. Some old people become more mean and cantankerous, some completely give up on everything but watching reruns of 50-year-old shows on T.V., but some remain cool until their dying day. 99% have forgotten how hard it can be to be a kid or teenager. 90% have forgotten the hardships of all ages below 40.
And, that's life.
Exactly middle school is around the Preteen age they are not an elementary school kids and they are not highschool kids that's why people say the Sims can do the exact same thing no Sims kids can't do certain stuff in the game but a Pre-teen sim can if they were added. I don't know if you want or support the Pre-teens but you are providing some points.
If anything, my post proves that to be totally realistic about development and aging, a life sim would need about 10 fully fleshed-out life stages. I actually think adding a Preteen stage would be nice, but I also think that a stage between Young Adult and Adult would be cool...and I know that's never going to happen.
Ultimately, I think all of the life stages that are not Toddler, Young Adult, or Adult need some enhancements patched in most of all. You know, maybe some unique aspirations for Teens and Elders, some more Child aspirations that are unlocked by completing one of the original four, the return of Child interactions like "Tag" and "Cops and Robbers" and some new ones that are unlocked by gaining skill levels like "Debate the necessity of school" and a wider variety of "Yo Momma" jokes, some Elder-exclusive interactions that are unlocked if an Elder has completed certain aspirations or maxed certain skills and Elders giving better skill gain bonuses when mentoring others...that sort of thing. Also, we need custom life stage length sliders in the game options menu. That just has to happen.
I got the age of toddlers from 1 to 5 from pediatric medical journals. Did you know kids are at risk for SIDS until age 5. Oh and a preschooler is technically a toddler, at least according to brain development. From about age 6 to about 10 the child has similar brain development as well. Starting as early as 10 to age 25, is when hormones in the brain development varies. That is just science. I learned that with researching child development.
A preteen life stage would not add enough significant enough gameplay features in the game. Even with what people say they imagine could be imagined as gameplay is already able to be accomplished with what is currently available.
@NorthDakotaGamer But, behaviorally and psychologically and intellectually, there is a huge difference between a 5-year-old and a 2-year-old. This is why I do not categorize a 5-year-old as a toddler by any means. Medical doctors only categorize life stages based on biological development alone, but there are a lot more pieces to human development than merely physical growth. Intellectual growth, learned behaviors, and changing mental, emotional, and social abilities and skills also play a huge role in what marks each developmental stage. So, no, I don't buy 5-year-olds being toddlers, not by a long shot.
The reason I personally think tweens are a good idea is only because I'm a storyteller. Granted, this doesn't apply to everyone, but here are my reasons for it:
-There is only so much clothing we have (that isn't CC) that looks old enough to pass for 10-12 years old, in both genders
-Going from toddlers to children to teens is such a leap, especially when you're trying to realistically portray the passage of time.
-The interactions for children are sometimes too juvenile for a tween. The art table looks too young for someone who is supposed to be in middle school, and it's silly to me that kids aren't allowed to garden or bake. A tween stage would be a nice segue from kid activities to more "mature" activities.
That's my 2 cents. I doubt if it will ever happen, but I think the reasons for another life stage are valid enough to at least be considered!
Oookaaaay. I'm seeing some posts here that count 5-year-olds as toddlers. Since when? 5 is too old to be considered a toddler. In fact, categorizing real life ages, it's always gone like this in my head:
Infant: Under a year old. First signs of an individual personality begin to appear.
Toddler: 1-3. By 1 year, too dang old to have their age stated in months. Personality really starts to shine through, the learning of right and wrong begins.
Pre-Schooler: 3-4. Too old to not know how to walk, talk, or use the toilet, but young enough to be allowed to stay at home with a parent without the parents being arrested.
Elementary School Aged: 5-10. Old enough that now it's a criminal offense to not ship them off to the meat grinder known as school unless you've gone through the process of being approved to homeschool your kids, but too young to date or go more than a few blocks away from home without an adult or teenager to escort them and definitely too young for a smart phone.
Middleschooler: 11-13. Old enough to learn algebra, do their own laundry, change their own bed sheets, start feeling those first stabs of puberty, and go a little farther from home without someone older to supervise. Too young to drive or date. The more responsible kids in this age group might be allowed to have something fancier than a simple flip phone if they keep their grades up and don't talk smack or cause trouble.
Highschooler: 14-17. Old enough to date and travel long distances away from home without supervision, really being slapped in the face by puberty now, and chomping at the bit to finish school so they can get a job and get out of their parents' house already. Can be allowed to have a smart phone if their grades and behavior are both good. Also, old enough at 15-16 to get kicked out of the house if they don't straighten up and fly right.
Young Adult: 18-25. Probably stuck in some form of education after high school because they don't want to be on welfare, just getting their first adult job after that, having a few years of selfish life enjoyment before thinking about marriage and children.
Young-ish Adult: 26-39. Old enough to start seriously considering marriage and children if that's their thing. If their job is good enough, they're probably even considering buying a house. If they decide not to marry or have children, they're finishing off those student loan payments, fighting their way to a favorable position in their career path of choice, and just enjoying life without kids to look after or parents all in their business. Toward the later part of this stage, many people forget just how hard it was to be a kid or a teenager.
Middle Age: 40-60. Hair starts going gray, body starts falling to pieces, kids (if they have any) are old enough to be in those middle school and high school years where they start to be a real pain in the butt and the parents are just as anxious as the kids for them to finally be old enough to go off on their own and take care of themselves. Mid-life crisis or happiness-hating crabbiness may occur if the individual bailed on way too many of their big life goals in exchange for a comfortable existence. By this time, most have totally forgotten how hard it is to be a kid or a teenager...some have even forgotten the hardships of their 20's and 30's.
Old Age: 60+. The body continues to deteriorate, hair goes totally gray, and being a grand parent may become a thing. Some old people become more mean and cantankerous, some completely give up on everything but watching reruns of 50-year-old shows on T.V., but some remain cool until their dying day. 99% have forgotten how hard it can be to be a kid or teenager. 90% have forgotten the hardships of all ages below 40.
And, that's life.
Exactly middle school is around the Preteen age they are not an elementary school kids and they are not highschool kids that's why people say the Sims can do the exact same thing no Sims kids can't do certain stuff in the game but a Pre-teen sim can if they were added. I don't know if you want or support the Pre-teens but you are providing some points.
If anything, my post proves that to be totally realistic about development and aging, a life sim would need about 10 fully fleshed-out life stages. I actually think adding a Preteen stage would be nice, but I also think that a stage between Young Adult and Adult would be cool...and I know that's never going to happen.
Ultimately, I think all of the life stages that are not Toddler, Young Adult, or Adult need some enhancements patched in most of all. You know, maybe some unique aspirations for Teens and Elders, some more Child aspirations that are unlocked by completing one of the original four, the return of Child interactions like "Tag" and "Cops and Robbers" and some new ones that are unlocked by gaining skill levels like "Debate the necessity of school" and a wider variety of "Yo Momma" jokes, some Elder-exclusive interactions that are unlocked if an Elder has completed certain aspirations or maxed certain skills and Elders giving better skill gain bonuses when mentoring others...that sort of thing. Also, we need custom life stage length sliders in the game options menu. That just has to happen.
The reason I personally think tweens are a good idea is only because I'm a storyteller. Granted, this doesn't apply to everyone, but here are my reasons for it:
-There is only so much clothing we have (that isn't CC) that looks old enough to pass for 10-12 years old, in both genders
-Going from toddlers to children to teens is such a leap, especially when you're trying to realistically portray the passage of time.
-The interactions for children are sometimes too juvenile for a tween. The art table looks too young for someone who is supposed to be in middle school, and it's silly to me that kids aren't allowed to garden or bake. A tween stage would be a nice segue from kid activities to more "mature" activities.
That's my 2 cents. I doubt if it will ever happen, but I think the reasons for another life stage are valid enough to at least be considered!
you make good points but I would much rather they make it where kids can garden and paint on a child's easel not add a whole new life stage
after all a child dosn't have to be a preteen to do any of those things
The reason I personally think tweens are a good idea is only because I'm a storyteller. Granted, this doesn't apply to everyone, but here are my reasons for it:
-There is only so much clothing we have (that isn't CC) that looks old enough to pass for 10-12 years old, in both genders
-Going from toddlers to children to teens is such a leap, especially when you're trying to realistically portray the passage of time.
-The interactions for children are sometimes too juvenile for a tween. The art table looks too young for someone who is supposed to be in middle school, and it's silly to me that kids aren't allowed to garden or bake. A tween stage would be a nice segue from kid activities to more "mature" activities.
That's my 2 cents. I doubt if it will ever happen, but I think the reasons for another life stage are valid enough to at least be considered!
you make good points but I would much rather they make it where kids can garden and paint on a child's easel not add a whole new life stage
after all a child dosn't have to be a preteen to do any of those things
Well you make a good point too--unlocking certain interactions for kids would make it a lot easier to pass kids off as older. I dunno, I guess my point is that the kid stage is so limited, it's hard to pass it off as a preteen stage. Less boring kids would be nice!
Oookaaaay. I'm seeing some posts here that count 5-year-olds as toddlers. Since when?
Since forever. You may live in a pocket that doesn't see it. But we're talking about childhood development, not colloquialisms.
5 is too old to be considered a toddler.
No, it's not. Developmentally, it's the final part of toddlerhood.
In fact, categorizing real life ages, it's always gone like this in my head:
There's your problem. Try talking to childhood development specialists.
By 1 year, too dang old to have their age stated in months.
The reason why months are still used for at least up to two years, and often until 3 years, is because of how rapidly certain parts of development occur. While something might happen in the duration of the age of one, it realistically happens at 18 months. Or 14 months, or 20 months. A lot of development happens in a short period of time. What you're saying makes it sound like you don't need to use minutes when you can use hours. I'm sorry, but the movie goes for 154 minutes. That is how they are timed.
Pre-Schooler: 3-4.
In many countries, that term goes up to age 6. Many kids don't start school until they are 7, thus prior to starting school, they are, by definition of the term, a preschooler.
Elementary School Aged: 5-10. Old enough that now it's a criminal offense to not ship them off to the meat grinder known as school
As per the previous point, this varies. It's not a criminal offence to not send your 5 year old to school in my state, but they must be enrolled by age 6. Meanwhile, in several European countries, they don't need to be enrolled until they are 7. There's no pressure to put 5 year old children, who are still on the edge of toddlerhood, into the horror of the school system.
or go more than a few blocks away from home without an adult or teenager to escort them and definitely too young for a smart phone.
A city living 9-10 year old should be able to get themselves to and from school, and as such, may need a kiddy locked smart phone. City living kids who are unable to do so, are either being held back by helicopter parents, or live in a very dangerous place, and the family should consider moving to some place safer, or just be living where there is a very poor quality system of public transport.
Middleschooler: 11-13.
Most schools here count that as the tail end of primary school. Primary schools are often R-7.
My friends son just graduated from primary school this week. He's 13. He starts secondary school, year 8, in January.
Highschooler: 14-17.
This is an interesting one.
Some parts of this country, now have year 7 as a part of secondary school (yes, what you call high school). It means we often have 13 year old high schoolers.
But we also have a lot of students graduating from year 12 at age 18.
I'm curious as to what age high school graduates are in the countries where they start school at age 7.
Also, old enough at 15-16 to get kicked out of the house if they don't straighten up and fly right.
Whoa! That's not the case everywhere!
Parents here have duty of care until their child turns 18, and legally becomes an adult.
Young Adult: 18-25. Probably stuck in some form of education after high school
We don't see it as 'stuck in' here.
You enter tertiary education to better your chances for future jobs.
We have tertiary education that trains people to be a barista, or a waiter. It means you can step into a job at a higher level, with better skills, and a higher rate of pay. Employers often like it when they don't have to train their workers from scratch, it saves them time and money.
because they don't want to be on welfare
This looks like another big cultural difference! We have a welfare system especially for tertiary students. It theoretically provides them with enough (not quite) money to live on while they are studying.
just getting their first adult job after that
Many people get their first job while studying.
Middle Age: 40-60. Hair starts going gray, body starts falling to pieces, kids (if they have any) are old enough to be in those middle school and high school years
You're not up to date on how things are now! This may have been the case in the 1950's and 60's, but today, more and more women are having children later in life. Globally there is a trend for an increased fertility rate of women over 40. In the UK there are more women over 40 having babies, than there are women under 20 having babies. In Canada, there are more women over 40 having babies, than there are teens having babies. Younger women are trying to avoid pregnancy, older women are seeking it.
Old Age: 60+. The body continues to deteriorate, hair goes totally gray
That's a bit off.
Most people don't go totally grey until their late 70's, or later. Sure they might be majority grey by 70, but that's not totally grey!
a grand parent may become a thing.
I know someone who was a grand parent at 35.
Some old people become more mean and cantankerous,
I'm not old!
I was born that way!
some completely give up on everything but watching reruns of 50-year-old shows on T.V.
It's really sad when that happens.
some remain cool until their dying day.
That sounds like the majority of elderly people that I know.
I know one woman who is in her... late 80's? Might be in her 90's, who runs a B&B, and makes jam to sell, and has a huge garden.
I know plenty of farmers who continue to farm into their 70's and 80's.
It seems to be, that the older people who stop doing the things they enjoy, who deteriorate faster.
My Nana died a week before her 99th birthday. She was put into a nursing home the year before, and had deteriorated rapidly in that time. Prior to that, she was still living alone, cooking her own meals, doing a bit of gardening, knitting for charity, doing crossword puzzles and watching game shows on telly. And very sneakily going for walks to the local creek. I think my aunts all would have had heart attacks if they'd known about it.
99% have forgotten how hard it can be to be a kid or teenager. 90% have forgotten the hardships of all ages below 40.
I disagree with that. Most are sill 20-something at heart, stuck in an old body, wondering what the heck happened. They remember what it's like to be young, what they don't understand is what it's like to be young in these modern times.
We don't need them. Everyone was giving out how there were no toddlers. You got toddlers. Stop asking for more life stages that are not needed.
Excuse me? You don't run nothing up in this forum. What gives you the right to tell us to stop asking for preteen? You're not the boss. We have all the rights to ask for Preteens and we're not stoping.
Look, no need to get offended. Okay. I'm simply voicing my opinion. You do not have to agree with it. I never said I was the boss. You don't have to stop just because I said so. I have my opinion, you have yours, okay? Calm down.
@SimsLovinLycan See what I mean they do everything to try to nitpick what you say just so they have their reasons of why Preteens is such a bad idea to have in the game.
Well then, I guess we DO NOT need another life stage then. After all, they already represent human life stages well enough.
In your eyes they probably do represent human life but it don't to me human life go from baby, toddler, kid preteen, teen, y-a, a, m-a, elder, dead. They are all stages of life Pre-teen is the most crucial going from a kid to a teen and most preteens not all experience puberty especially the girls I'm not saying add it in the game but a Pre-teen is a real life stage but in the game a sim kid is way to young and a sim teen is way to old.
Oookaaaay. I'm seeing some posts here that count 5-year-olds as toddlers. Since when?
Since forever. You may live in a pocket that doesn't see it. But we're talking about childhood development, not colloquialisms.
5 is too old to be considered a toddler.
No, it's not. Developmentally, it's the final part of toddlerhood.
In fact, categorizing real life ages, it's always gone like this in my head:
There's your problem. Try talking to childhood development specialists.
By 1 year, too dang old to have their age stated in months.
The reason why months are still used for at least up to two years, and often until 3 years, is because of how rapidly certain parts of development occur. While something might happen in the duration of the age of one, it realistically happens at 18 months. Or 14 months, or 20 months. A lot of development happens in a short period of time. What you're saying makes it sound like you don't need to use minutes when you can use hours. I'm sorry, but the movie goes for 154 minutes. That is how they are timed.
Pre-Schooler: 3-4.
In many countries, that term goes up to age 6. Many kids don't start school until they are 7, thus prior to starting school, they are, by definition of the term, a preschooler.
Elementary School Aged: 5-10. Old enough that now it's a criminal offense to not ship them off to the meat grinder known as school
As per the previous point, this varies. It's not a criminal offence to not send your 5 year old to school in my state, but they must be enrolled by age 6. Meanwhile, in several European countries, they don't need to be enrolled until they are 7. There's no pressure to put 5 year old children, who are still on the edge of toddlerhood, into the horror of the school system.
or go more than a few blocks away from home without an adult or teenager to escort them and definitely too young for a smart phone.
A city living 9-10 year old should be able to get themselves to and from school, and as such, may need a kiddy locked smart phone. City living kids who are unable to do so, are either being held back by helicopter parents, or live in a very dangerous place, and the family should consider moving to some place safer, or just be living where there is a very poor quality system of public transport.
Middleschooler: 11-13.
Most schools here count that as the tail end of primary school. Primary schools are often R-7.
My friends son just graduated from primary school this week. He's 13. He starts secondary school, year 8, in January.
Highschooler: 14-17.
This is an interesting one.
Some parts of this country, now have year 7 as a part of secondary school (yes, what you call high school). It means we often have 13 year old high schoolers.
But we also have a lot of students graduating from year 12 at age 18.
I'm curious as to what age high school graduates are in the countries where they start school at age 7.
Also, old enough at 15-16 to get kicked out of the house if they don't straighten up and fly right.
Whoa! That's not the case everywhere!
Parents here have duty of care until their child turns 18, and legally becomes an adult.
Young Adult: 18-25. Probably stuck in some form of education after high school
We don't see it as 'stuck in' here.
You enter tertiary education to better your chances for future jobs.
We have tertiary education that trains people to be a barista, or a waiter. It means you can step into a job at a higher level, with better skills, and a higher rate of pay. Employers often like it when they don't have to train their workers from scratch, it saves them time and money.
because they don't want to be on welfare
This looks like another big cultural difference! We have a welfare system especially for tertiary students. It theoretically provides them with enough (not quite) money to live on while they are studying.
just getting their first adult job after that
Many people get their first job while studying.
Middle Age: 40-60. Hair starts going gray, body starts falling to pieces, kids (if they have any) are old enough to be in those middle school and high school years
You're not up to date on how things are now! This may have been the case in the 1950's and 60's, but today, more and more women are having children later in life. Globally there is a trend for an increased fertility rate of women over 40. In the UK there are more women over 40 having babies, than there are women under 20 having babies. In Canada, there are more women over 40 having babies, than there are teens having babies. Younger women are trying to avoid pregnancy, older women are seeking it.
Old Age: 60+. The body continues to deteriorate, hair goes totally gray
That's a bit off.
Most people don't go totally grey until their late 70's, or later. Sure they might be majority grey by 70, but that's not totally grey!
a grand parent may become a thing.
I know someone who was a grand parent at 35.
Some old people become more mean and cantankerous,
I'm not old!
I was born that way!
some completely give up on everything but watching reruns of 50-year-old shows on T.V.
It's really sad when that happens.
some remain cool until their dying day.
That sounds like the majority of elderly people that I know.
I know one woman who is in her... late 80's? Might be in her 90's, who runs a B&B, and makes jam to sell, and has a huge garden.
I know plenty of farmers who continue to farm into their 70's and 80's.
It seems to be, that the older people who stop doing the things they enjoy, who deteriorate faster.
My Nana died a week before her 99th birthday. She was put into a nursing home the year before, and had deteriorated rapidly in that time. Prior to that, she was still living alone, cooking her own meals, doing a bit of gardening, knitting for charity, doing crossword puzzles and watching game shows on telly. And very sneakily going for walks to the local creek. I think my aunts all would have had heart attacks if they'd known about it.
99% have forgotten how hard it can be to be a kid or teenager. 90% have forgotten the hardships of all ages below 40.
I disagree with that. Most are sill 20-something at heart, stuck in an old body, wondering what the heck happened. They remember what it's like to be young, what they don't understand is what it's like to be young in these modern times.
In America, kids between 11-14ish go to middle school. We don't have primary or secondary schools. Preschool, Elementary, Middle School, and High School
I didn't say we don't need one - the nitpicking went a bit over the top.
the only nitpicking I see here, are those who can't be bothered to reply to what I actually said, and just choose to pick on me for trying to have a conversation!
We don't need them. Everyone was giving out how there were no toddlers. You got toddlers. Stop asking for more life stages that are not needed.
Excuse me? You don't run nothing up in this forum. What gives you the right to tell us to stop asking for preteen? You're not the boss. We have all the rights to ask for Preteens and we're not stoping.
Look, no need to get offended. Okay. I'm simply voicing my opinion. You do not have to agree with it. I never said I was the boss. You don't have to stop just because I said so. I have my opinion, you have yours, okay? Calm down.
I personally do not want or need pre-teens/tweens. They offer no new gameplay that could not be added to kids/teens if they ever decided to expand them and flesh them out more. How many of you use the PIMPLES that we have for teens (and others) now?
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We're not going to get shorter teens. They'd have to pretty much re-do the entire CAS catalog for that. I think that making certain outfits teen appropriate and adding an age filter (like they did with the gender filter) could be an option so you don't have elders stomping around town looking like High School Musical extras rejects. You could remove the filter for your own Sims if you wanted but the NPCs would be more limited.especially the game generated ones.
I think the controversy over the topic is because it's something totally new, and not everyone sees a purpose to it. And if they're going to add them in it would have to be as a patch the way they did toddlers otherwise it makes the programming for aging up a lot more complicated. I'd prefer to see the resources used to give the current 6 lifestages (not counting the baby objects but if there could be a way to free them from their bassinet and give them some CAS and a few additional features, maybe a baby carrier so you can take them places that would be awesome) more definition and uniqueness.
Fun must be always -- Tomas Hertl (San Jose Sharks hockey player)
I guess what I'm saying is that they're a welcome addition for me, but not exactly a must-have.
Race Against the Clock: Can your elder sim turn back the clock before their time runs out?
If anything, my post proves that to be totally realistic about development and aging, a life sim would need about 10 fully fleshed-out life stages. I actually think adding a Preteen stage would be nice, but I also think that a stage between Young Adult and Adult would be cool...and I know that's never going to happen.
Ultimately, I think all of the life stages that are not Toddler, Young Adult, or Adult need some enhancements patched in most of all. You know, maybe some unique aspirations for Teens and Elders, some more Child aspirations that are unlocked by completing one of the original four, the return of Child interactions like "Tag" and "Cops and Robbers" and some new ones that are unlocked by gaining skill levels like "Debate the necessity of school" and a wider variety of "Yo Momma" jokes, some Elder-exclusive interactions that are unlocked if an Elder has completed certain aspirations or maxed certain skills and Elders giving better skill gain bonuses when mentoring others...that sort of thing. Also, we need custom life stage length sliders in the game options menu. That just has to happen.
I got the age of toddlers from 1 to 5 from pediatric medical journals. Did you know kids are at risk for SIDS until age 5. Oh and a preschooler is technically a toddler, at least according to brain development. From about age 6 to about 10 the child has similar brain development as well. Starting as early as 10 to age 25, is when hormones in the brain development varies. That is just science. I learned that with researching child development.
A preteen life stage would not add enough significant enough gameplay features in the game. Even with what people say they imagine could be imagined as gameplay is already able to be accomplished with what is currently available.
-There is only so much clothing we have (that isn't CC) that looks old enough to pass for 10-12 years old, in both genders
-Going from toddlers to children to teens is such a leap, especially when you're trying to realistically portray the passage of time.
-The interactions for children are sometimes too juvenile for a tween. The art table looks too young for someone who is supposed to be in middle school, and it's silly to me that kids aren't allowed to garden or bake. A tween stage would be a nice segue from kid activities to more "mature" activities.
That's my 2 cents. I doubt if it will ever happen, but I think the reasons for another life stage are valid enough to at least be considered!
I agree with you
you make good points but I would much rather they make it where kids can garden and paint on a child's easel not add a whole new life stage
after all a child dosn't have to be a preteen to do any of those things
There's your problem. Try talking to childhood development specialists.
The reason why months are still used for at least up to two years, and often until 3 years, is because of how rapidly certain parts of development occur. While something might happen in the duration of the age of one, it realistically happens at 18 months. Or 14 months, or 20 months. A lot of development happens in a short period of time. What you're saying makes it sound like you don't need to use minutes when you can use hours. I'm sorry, but the movie goes for 154 minutes. That is how they are timed.
In many countries, that term goes up to age 6. Many kids don't start school until they are 7, thus prior to starting school, they are, by definition of the term, a preschooler.
As per the previous point, this varies. It's not a criminal offence to not send your 5 year old to school in my state, but they must be enrolled by age 6. Meanwhile, in several European countries, they don't need to be enrolled until they are 7. There's no pressure to put 5 year old children, who are still on the edge of toddlerhood, into the horror of the school system.
A city living 9-10 year old should be able to get themselves to and from school, and as such, may need a kiddy locked smart phone. City living kids who are unable to do so, are either being held back by helicopter parents, or live in a very dangerous place, and the family should consider moving to some place safer, or just be living where there is a very poor quality system of public transport.
Most schools here count that as the tail end of primary school. Primary schools are often R-7.
My friends son just graduated from primary school this week. He's 13. He starts secondary school, year 8, in January.
This is an interesting one.
Some parts of this country, now have year 7 as a part of secondary school (yes, what you call high school). It means we often have 13 year old high schoolers.
But we also have a lot of students graduating from year 12 at age 18.
I'm curious as to what age high school graduates are in the countries where they start school at age 7.
Whoa! That's not the case everywhere!
Parents here have duty of care until their child turns 18, and legally becomes an adult.
We don't see it as 'stuck in' here.
You enter tertiary education to better your chances for future jobs.
We have tertiary education that trains people to be a barista, or a waiter. It means you can step into a job at a higher level, with better skills, and a higher rate of pay. Employers often like it when they don't have to train their workers from scratch, it saves them time and money.
This looks like another big cultural difference! We have a welfare system especially for tertiary students. It theoretically provides them with enough (not quite) money to live on while they are studying.
Many people get their first job while studying.
You're not up to date on how things are now! This may have been the case in the 1950's and 60's, but today, more and more women are having children later in life. Globally there is a trend for an increased fertility rate of women over 40. In the UK there are more women over 40 having babies, than there are women under 20 having babies. In Canada, there are more women over 40 having babies, than there are teens having babies. Younger women are trying to avoid pregnancy, older women are seeking it.
That's a bit off.
Most people don't go totally grey until their late 70's, or later. Sure they might be majority grey by 70, but that's not totally grey!
I know someone who was a grand parent at 35.
I'm not old!
I was born that way!
It's really sad when that happens.
That sounds like the majority of elderly people that I know.
I know one woman who is in her... late 80's? Might be in her 90's, who runs a B&B, and makes jam to sell, and has a huge garden.
I know plenty of farmers who continue to farm into their 70's and 80's.
It seems to be, that the older people who stop doing the things they enjoy, who deteriorate faster.
My Nana died a week before her 99th birthday. She was put into a nursing home the year before, and had deteriorated rapidly in that time. Prior to that, she was still living alone, cooking her own meals, doing a bit of gardening, knitting for charity, doing crossword puzzles and watching game shows on telly. And very sneakily going for walks to the local creek. I think my aunts all would have had heart attacks if they'd known about it.
I disagree with that. Most are sill 20-something at heart, stuck in an old body, wondering what the heck happened. They remember what it's like to be young, what they don't understand is what it's like to be young in these modern times.
Look, no need to get offended. Okay. I'm simply voicing my opinion. You do not have to agree with it. I never said I was the boss. You don't have to stop just because I said so. I have my opinion, you have yours, okay? Calm down.
Please, try it sometime.
Nah your nitpicking as usual but that's OK I'll just ignore you like the person up there has.
You've got a funny way of ignoring people. People who ignore me, never reply to anything I post.
They're sims, not humans.
Well then, I guess we DO NOT need another life stage then. After all, they already represent human life stages well enough.
I didn't say we don't need one - the nitpicking went a bit over the top.
Do they represent human life stages? Unless it must be very rare to come across a man expecting an alien baby or vampires.
I delete all aliens and vampires in my game, so they don't exist. Those fake lifestates are there for people who love fantasy.
In your eyes they probably do represent human life but it don't to me human life go from baby, toddler, kid preteen, teen, y-a, a, m-a, elder, dead. They are all stages of life Pre-teen is the most crucial going from a kid to a teen and most preteens not all experience puberty especially the girls I'm not saying add it in the game but a Pre-teen is a real life stage but in the game a sim kid is way to young and a sim teen is way to old.
In America, kids between 11-14ish go to middle school. We don't have primary or secondary schools. Preschool, Elementary, Middle School, and High School
the only nitpicking I see here, are those who can't be bothered to reply to what I actually said, and just choose to pick on me for trying to have a conversation!
Did I say that they were? Try replying to what I was talking about.
Then don't tell people to stop. The rest is fine.