Well that is really kind of you to place everyone in a particular category that allows you to be the decision maker as to whether or not that type of household economics is difficult to attain or not - despite the fact that there are many families who are struggling to pay the rent and put food on the table who may feel like they deserve a pat on the back for at the very least scraping an extra $20 to finally own the Vampire GP. But according to you, keeping up with computer upgrades should be well within their grasp if they are responsible enough to manage their money properly.
That fact that you can boast your ease with keeping up with the damand of gaming requirements isn't evidence of your ability to maintain a working computer vs gaming... as much as it shows that the gaming companies decision to support lower end computers is allowing people like yourself with older computers to still play the game.
I have an old computer as well. I'm only running an i5, 3.2Ghz quad core, 8Gb ram, with an old (2Gb video card that is barely worth $250). My audio card (to replace) is just $150. So yea, my specs are above the requirement for most games as well. But not because of my ease to keep up, but more so because the gaming companies are limiting their games to ideas like... needing only 4Gb-8Gb of ram to play the game.
But, as per your assessment, when it comes to economics, "cause and effect" is often misinterpreted.
You need to be able to put up approximately 300-400$ every 10 years to be able to game on medium to low settings. More than that if you want to be gaming on max settings. ARK is the Crysis of today and I'm able to get above 30 FPS on medium settings. The Sims 4 can almost run on a tablet. If you can afford something as expensive as a franchise that costs you 420$ an iteration (more, The Sims 4 will likely aproach the price of 700$ before dying off), you can afford to upgrade.
In fact it is a shame that we have to put up with a very limited game that will be less attractive by the iteration if they will continue with this extreme inclusivety.
and to have to do this to every single thing already in Sims 4 - is to me not an easy task from my prospective. Seeing the pets were made with the added color channels and the tool to apply them - they have the ground work done - but nothing else in the game does - so to me it does not seem to be something EA would support for us to have CASt in rest of the game.
Well that is really kind of you to place everyone in a particular category that allows you to be the decision maker as to whether or not that type of household economics is difficult to attain or not - despite the fact that there are many families who are struggling to pay the rent and put food on the table who may feel like they deserve a pat on the back for at the very least scraping an extra $20 to finally own the Vampire GP. But according to you, keeping up with computer upgrades should be well within their grasp if they are responsible enough to manage their money properly.
That fact that you can boast your ease with keeping up with the damand of gaming requirements isn't evidence of your ability to maintain a working computer vs gaming... as much as it shows that the gaming companies decision to support lower end computers is allowing people like yourself with older computers to still play the game.
I have an old computer as well. I'm only running an i5, 3.2Ghz quad core, 8Gb ram, with an old (2Gb video card that is barely worth $250). My audio card (to replace) is just $150. So yea, my specs are above the requirement for most games as well. But not because of my ease to keep up, but more so because the gaming companies are limiting their games to ideas like... needing only 4Gb-8Gb of ram to play the game.
But, as per your assessment, when it comes to economics, "cause and effect" is often misinterpreted.
You need to be able to put up approximately 300-400$ every 10 years to be able to game on medium to low settings. More than that if you want to be gaming on max settings. ARK is the Crysis of today and I'm able to get above 30 FPS on medium settings. The Sims 4 can almost run on a tablet. If you can afford something as expensive as a franchise that costs you 420$ an iteration (more, The Sims 4 will likely aproach the price of 700$ before dying off), you can afford to upgrade.
In fact it is a shame that we have to put up with a very limited game that will be less attractive by the iteration if they will continue with this extreme inclusivety.
Keep in mind that the $420 you suggested will be the cost of the sims iteration.... is a cost stretched out over a 5 year period. So that's.... $420 divided by 60 months = $7 per month to play the sims at $420 per that iteration. Then there's the sales which some people take advantage of. When will the next sims EP come out? Maybe October of next year. So I have 10 months to get my hands on $40. That's $4 per month I must save... and voila I have the next sims EP.
People can't as easily find sales on Video Cards, or Ram chips. And video cards cost more than $40. As I already pointed out, My video card (to replace) cost $250. The recommended upgrade is $450. I can't afford that upgrade. The cost of the recommended upgrade on just the video card alone is more expensive than the entire iteration of the sims 4 that you listed as being around $420.
I am currently using a 24 inch monitor, because my 32 inch broke down a week ago. It will cost me over $200 (tax in) to get a new one. The new monitor by itself is more than half of the cost of the sims 4 iteration that (again) you price at being about $420.
Being able to play the sims with some packs included, is NOT an indication of one's ability to afford new computer stuff.
@muzickmage If one is not going custom computer, in the USA you can get a desktop in the $600-700 range with the newest hardware to survive this whole game. Sometimes we get lucky and find a desktop in the $500-600 range. Desktop gaming computers have come down in price off the shelf. Custom certified hardware always costs more.
You can use a TV as a monitor if you want a bigger screen. It will still work for point and click games like the sims.
@muzickmage If one is not going custom computer, in the USA you can get a desktop in the $600-700 range with the newest hardware to survive this whole game. Sometimes we get lucky and find a desktop in the $500-600 range. Desktop gaming computers have come down in price off the shelf. Custom certified hardware always costs more.
You can use a TV as a monitor if you want a bigger screen. It will still work for point and click games like the sims.
I mean this shouldn't even be a debate anymore. Sims 4 has sold millions of copies and several members of this community have made it clear they have gaming computers. The game still has issues regardless of specs. Some issues are a result of a slow computer, some are bad coding or scripting.
Sims 4 is definitely in the latter. I got my computer as a steal on amazon and it was like the 2nd best computer they had on the market at the time. This was only a couple months ago. Regardless, I could actually faintly hear one of the additional fans kicking on at the precise moment the game would have slow down and time distortion issues. I can play plenty of other games such as Witcher 3, Fallout 4 and online shooters without problems, yet Sims 3 and Sims 4 are still bumpy for me. That's not the computer, that's the games.
@muzickmage If one is not going custom computer, in the USA you can get a desktop in the $600-700 range with the newest hardware to survive this whole game. Sometimes we get lucky and find a desktop in the $500-600 range. Desktop gaming computers have come down in price off the shelf. Custom certified hardware always costs more.
You can use a TV as a monitor if you want a bigger screen. It will still work for point and click games like the sims.
I paid $800 to purchase my computer 2 years ago but... had to pay another $800 to put stuff in it (such as my upgraded video card which was $250 by itself). That was $1600 I paid within a 5 minute conversation at the computer store.
And yes, I know very well I can grab my 40 inch TV from the living room and plug it into my computer... but, not going to do that. I'll leave it there for my daily dose of reality shows. lol
@muzickmage If one is not going custom computer, in the USA you can get a desktop in the $600-700 range with the newest hardware to survive this whole game. Sometimes we get lucky and find a desktop in the $500-600 range. Desktop gaming computers have come down in price off the shelf. Custom certified hardware always costs more.
You can use a TV as a monitor if you want a bigger screen. It will still work for point and click games like the sims.
Well it depends on what you buy too. You can spend that amount easily (and a lot more) just on a decent video card. We build our own pcs (Hubby and son are pc techs/ another son is a C++ programmer) - get components at cost as my Tech son also owns a Computer store - but I easily spend about 2000 every couple of years on rebuilds. The only thing I don't replace is monitors or cases - until I have too. Lol.
"Games Are Not The Place To Tell Stories, Games Are Meant To Let People Tell Their Own Stories"...Will Wright.
In dreams - I LIVE!
In REALITY, I simply exist.....
I'm with the ones that say they would rather see resources go to other things....like actual game play. The sims 4 needs a lot more things to do and places to go. It needs better sim dynamics and the way they interact in their world and with their friends, families, etc. (It needs so much more than CASt.
It needs an attraction system.
It needs hobbies and interests.
It needs a wider range of traits and emotions and whims that actually matter to individual sims.
It needs slow dancing, more couple intimacy and really showing they are in love....something very special between couple aside from a hug or peck on the cheek.
It needs casinos.
Vacations.
Weather.
Witches.
It needs things for playing the game....not colouring their hair and clothes and curtains. (my opinion)
And .... there's that. That is an argument I absolutely just have to support. Especially the interactions between sims (intimacy, slow dancing, the whole love bug thing). Absolutely.
I don't get the whole "cast" thing. I'm a game player. I need things to make the game interesting and enchanting to me. I don't want to spend my time in CAS or build mode making the drapes match the pillow. Seriously.....WHY?
I took colour theory and interior design on my own time and my own money because I wanted to....but I don't need to froufrou things in a sims game. You would think I would be one demanding it back! lol. Nah. It's a waste of resources for a game that's meant to be played.
I'm on the fence on this one because...
On one hand, I absolutely agree with your argument. I am a gameplayer as well. I like getting the whole family thing setup, work on gettting the careers going, going out and finding stuff, and just a couple days ago (as I posted on the forum here) I took my sim family camping. The idea that my married couple can't even snuggle while sleeping is....well.... it shows where the game is still lacking in the sense of intimacy (as you pointed out).
But, on the other hand, I am a builder as well. I love to spend hours creating a favorite house, only to delete it after I get it built so I can use that lot for my next building project/idea. And currently, the way the game is setup building houses, matching drapes, furniture, the whole interior design artistic ability that you explain you know something about... for me it's just lacking, its... confining. It's like telling an artist who loves to paint ... "here are your 5 colors, and 2 different size brushes.... and, that's it. That's all we got for you.... good luck.
So for me, I can appreciate both sides of the argument.
Never forget.....
What's more important?
What they are doing and how they are feeling?
Or the colour of their bedding?
Or better alternative:
If a game was only about "playing", CAS wouldn't be a thing in the first place. I don't agree with you completely tho.
@muzickmage If one is not going custom computer, in the USA you can get a desktop in the $600-700 range with the newest hardware to survive this whole game. Sometimes we get lucky and find a desktop in the $500-600 range. Desktop gaming computers have come down in price off the shelf. Custom certified hardware always costs more.
You can use a TV as a monitor if you want a bigger screen. It will still work for point and click games like the sims.
I mean this shouldn't even be a debate anymore. Sims 4 has sold millions of copies and several members of this community have made it clear they have gaming computers. The game still has issues regardless of specs. Some issues are a result of a slow computer, some are bad coding or scripting.
Sims 4 is definitely in the latter. I got my computer as a steal on amazon and it was like the 2nd best computer they had on the market at the time. This was only a couple months ago. Regardless, I could actually faintly hear one of the additional fans kicking on at the precise moment the game would have slow down and time distortion issues. I can play plenty of other games such as Witcher 3, Fallout 4 and online shooters without problems, yet Sims 3 and Sims 4 are still bumpy for me. That's not the computer, that's the games.
The sims 4 does need some fixing. It will run worse on a lower spec computer. Some who have very low end can't run the game anymore because they added C & D. C and D requirements upped the game
I guess I have been lucky. the sims 3 runs pretty well for me on both my desktop and laptop. That game likes some hardware better than others. This may also apply to the sims 4 too. There is so much hardware out there and they keep coming out with something new all the time. Gaming tech hardware is moving very fast
@muzickmage If one is not going custom computer, in the USA you can get a desktop in the $600-700 range with the newest hardware to survive this whole game. Sometimes we get lucky and find a desktop in the $500-600 range. Desktop gaming computers have come down in price off the shelf. Custom certified hardware always costs more.
You can use a TV as a monitor if you want a bigger screen. It will still work for point and click games like the sims.
I paid $800 to purchase my computer 2 years ago but... had to pay another $800 to put stuff in it (such as my upgraded video card which was $250 by itself). That was $1600 I paid within a 5 minute conversation at the computer store.
And yes, I know very well I can grab my 40 inch TV from the living room and plug it into my computer... but, not going to do that. I'll leave it there for my daily dose of reality shows. lol
Added note: I'm in Canada
Two years ago computers cost more than they do now off the shelf. My desktop is custom. At the time I bought it 2 years ago SSD were very expensive. They have now come down in price with SSD. My custom desktop was $1500 range at the time.
Well that is really kind of you to place everyone in a particular category that allows you to be the decision maker as to whether or not that type of household economics is difficult to attain or not - despite the fact that there are many families who are struggling to pay the rent and put food on the table who may feel like they deserve a pat on the back for at the very least scraping an extra $20 to finally own the Vampire GP. But according to you, keeping up with computer upgrades should be well within their grasp if they are responsible enough to manage their money properly.
That fact that you can boast your ease with keeping up with the damand of gaming requirements isn't evidence of your ability to maintain a working computer vs gaming... as much as it shows that the gaming companies decision to support lower end computers is allowing people like yourself with older computers to still play the game.
I have an old computer as well. I'm only running an i5, 3.2Ghz quad core, 8Gb ram, with an old (2Gb video card that is barely worth $250). My audio card (to replace) is just $150. So yea, my specs are above the requirement for most games as well. But not because of my ease to keep up, but more so because the gaming companies are limiting their games to ideas like... needing only 4Gb-8Gb of ram to play the game.
But, as per your assessment, when it comes to economics, "cause and effect" is often misinterpreted.
You need to be able to put up approximately 300-400$ every 10 years to be able to game on medium to low settings. More than that if you want to be gaming on max settings. ARK is the Crysis of today and I'm able to get above 30 FPS on medium settings. The Sims 4 can almost run on a tablet. If you can afford something as expensive as a franchise that costs you 420$ an iteration (more, The Sims 4 will likely aproach the price of 700$ before dying off), you can afford to upgrade.
In fact it is a shame that we have to put up with a very limited game that will be less attractive by the iteration if they will continue with this extreme inclusivety.
Keep in mind that the $420 you suggested will be the cost of the sims iteration.... is a cost stretched out over a 5 year period. So that's.... $420 divided by 60 months = $7 per month to play the sims at $420 per that iteration. Then there's the sales which some people take advantage of. When will the next sims EP come out? Maybe October of next year. So I have 10 months to get my hands on $40. That's $4 per month I must save... and voila I have the next sims EP.
People can't as easily find sales on Video Cards, or Ram chips. And video cards cost more than $40. As I already pointed out, My video card (to replace) cost $250. The recommended upgrade is $450. I can't afford that upgrade. The cost of the recommended upgrade on just the video card alone is more expensive than the entire iteration of the sims 4 that you listed as being around $420.
I am currently using a 24 inch monitor, because my 32 inch broke down a week ago. It will cost me over $200 (tax in) to get a new one. The new monitor by itself is more than half of the cost of the sims 4 iteration that (again) you price at being about $420.
Being able to play the sims with some packs included, is NOT an indication of one's ability to afford new computer stuff.
Question is if CAST is going to slow down computers, won't future packs as well especially when seasons comes around and raises specs again? Either way when it comes to DLC people are going to have to choose to either upgrade their computers to match specs at least or buy console games and stick to the mobile versions. Low specs was set for the base game, but EA had no promises and we all sign an agreement when installing the game that whatever updates come with the free updates for example, that we allow Origin to do it on our computer. Why I don't get the I didn't agree to this patch argument because legally we have already just by installing the base game. I just wish people would read things about their game when it comes to specs and terms of agreement because it would save a lot of this hassle. Every other community out there does, why doesn't the Sims community do it? It doesn't make sense. There was even a poll that majority of Simmers here have been around since the first game, so it is not like they don't know any better by now when it comes to DLC, they do. DLC generally means specs will increase and happens with all the iterations not just the Sims 4. It will happen in the future. Simmers will have to choose which gaming system they can afford and works best for them whether it is console, mobile, or desktop. Maxis does provide options for Simmers for their games. I do wish we had the Sims Life Stories series back because those set of games were made for laptop computers. It was great having separate specs and options both for desktop and laptop computers during the Sims 2 era. Sims 3 and Sims 4 for whatever reason just didn't carry that forward. I think they should have.
“Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it.” –Helen Keller
@muzickmage If one is not going custom computer, in the USA you can get a desktop in the $600-700 range with the newest hardware to survive this whole game. Sometimes we get lucky and find a desktop in the $500-600 range. Desktop gaming computers have come down in price off the shelf. Custom certified hardware always costs more.
You can use a TV as a monitor if you want a bigger screen. It will still work for point and click games like the sims.
Well it depends on what you buy too. You can spend that amount easily (and a lot more) just on a decent video card. We build our own pcs (Hubby and son are pc techs/ another son is a C++ programmer) - get components at cost as my Tech son also owns a Computer store - but I easily spend about 2000 every couple of years on rebuilds. The only thing I don't replace is monitors or cases - until I have too. Lol.
I said that was off the self, non custom. You can get those fairly cheap. Going custom certified hardware is always more expensive The hardware is moving so quickly. The new intel coffee lake processor needs a whole new motherboard . The same thing happened when they put out skylake. I have haswell processor that is only two years old. I would need a new motherboard and ram if I were to get a new processor. I don't need one so I'm just going to run my computer in the ground and then buy a new one. It won't be worth it for me to upgrade what I have now
@muzickmage If one is not going custom computer, in the USA you can get a desktop in the $600-700 range with the newest hardware to survive this whole game. Sometimes we get lucky and find a desktop in the $500-600 range. Desktop gaming computers have come down in price off the shelf. Custom certified hardware always costs more.
You can use a TV as a monitor if you want a bigger screen. It will still work for point and click games like the sims.
I mean this shouldn't even be a debate anymore. Sims 4 has sold millions of copies and several members of this community have made it clear they have gaming computers. The game still has issues regardless of specs. Some issues are a result of a slow computer, some are bad coding or scripting.
Sims 4 is definitely in the latter. I got my computer as a steal on amazon and it was like the 2nd best computer they had on the market at the time. This was only a couple months ago. Regardless, I could actually faintly hear one of the additional fans kicking on at the precise moment the game would have slow down and time distortion issues. I can play plenty of other games such as Witcher 3, Fallout 4 and online shooters without problems, yet Sims 3 and Sims 4 are still bumpy for me. That's not the computer, that's the games.
The sims 4 does need some fixing. It will run worse on a lower spec computer. Some who have very low end can't run the game anymore because they added C & D. C and D requirements upped the game
I guess I have been lucky. the sims 3 runs pretty well for me on both my desktop and laptop. That game likes some hardware better than others. This may also apply to the sims 4 too. There is so much hardware out there and they keep coming out with something new all the time. Gaming tech hardware is moving very fast
Yeah I cant get Cats and Dogs because even without it, running Sims 4 is cruel and unusual punishment for my laptop lmao i literally have to play a modded out 3 if I want more gameplay and not break my computer/game.
My speculations on hints for future content:
-Cars Update
-Spiral/Diagonal Stairs Update
-Hotel Pack
-Romance Pack (possibly combined with Hotel Pack)
-Bands Pack
-Royalty Pack
-Fashion Design Pack
-Fairies Pack
-Werewolf Pack
-France-inspired World
Keep in mind that the $420 you suggested will be the cost of the sims iteration.... is a cost stretched out over a 5 year period.
That's not the cost of the whole iteration, that's just cost to date. So 3 out of 5 years in?
In fact if I bought everything from Origin, except for the Deluxe edition and just went with standard edition, I would have spend 361£ or 476$.
If you can not afford to upgrade to run a game of this caliber that is THIS expensive, one time purchase games might be a better investment.
Also keep in mind if you bought everything for Sims 3 including the store like I did you can multiply that easily by 5 or 6 times unless you waited for the end to buy and was willing to earn points watching ads or take advantage of all the various ways people now get free content. I bought most of Sims 3 as it came out - so total was pretty high. But believe me I scraped and saved to get it all - plus add to that I built 3 pcs for myself during the Sims 3 run as well.
Hobbies are not cheap - no hobby is. But hobbies are the way humans find their happy place and can become worth it to many of us. I don't go places - no vacations - like friends who waste way more than that on a single vacation and all they have to show for it is pictures. At least I have something to show for my money and I can still get use out of all that money any time I want without paying anything.
"Games Are Not The Place To Tell Stories, Games Are Meant To Let People Tell Their Own Stories"...Will Wright.
In dreams - I LIVE!
In REALITY, I simply exist.....
@muzickmage If one is not going custom computer, in the USA you can get a desktop in the $600-700 range with the newest hardware to survive this whole game. Sometimes we get lucky and find a desktop in the $500-600 range. Desktop gaming computers have come down in price off the shelf. Custom certified hardware always costs more.
You can use a TV as a monitor if you want a bigger screen. It will still work for point and click games like the sims.
I mean this shouldn't even be a debate anymore. Sims 4 has sold millions of copies and several members of this community have made it clear they have gaming computers. The game still has issues regardless of specs. Some issues are a result of a slow computer, some are bad coding or scripting.
Sims 4 is definitely in the latter. I got my computer as a steal on amazon and it was like the 2nd best computer they had on the market at the time. This was only a couple months ago. Regardless, I could actually faintly hear one of the additional fans kicking on at the precise moment the game would have slow down and time distortion issues. I can play plenty of other games such as Witcher 3, Fallout 4 and online shooters without problems, yet Sims 3 and Sims 4 are still bumpy for me. That's not the computer, that's the games.
The sims 4 does need some fixing. It will run worse on a lower spec computer. Some who have very low end can't run the game anymore because they added C & D. C and D requirements upped the game
I guess I have been lucky. the sims 3 runs pretty well for me on both my desktop and laptop. That game likes some hardware better than others. This may also apply to the sims 4 too. There is so much hardware out there and they keep coming out with something new all the time. Gaming tech hardware is moving very fast
Yeah I cant get Cats and Dogs because even without it, running Sims 4 is cruel and unusual punishment for my laptop lmao i literally have to play a modded out 3 if I want more gameplay and not break my computer/game.
There are those few who can't run C & D. Less than I thought. I thought this forum was going to get filled with people who could not run C & D like TS3 pets did. I was wrong. The Mods and CC broke more than anything else.
I have a bit of a problem with the argument "I want to play modern games, but I don't want to invest in modern equipment to do so." However, now that Sims 4 is out on consoles, it's now far more accessible to people, though really, a cheap gaming PC doesn't cost much more than a new console.
@muzickmage If one is not going custom computer, in the USA you can get a desktop in the $600-700 range with the newest hardware to survive this whole game. Sometimes we get lucky and find a desktop in the $500-600 range. Desktop gaming computers have come down in price off the shelf. Custom certified hardware always costs more.
You can use a TV as a monitor if you want a bigger screen. It will still work for point and click games like the sims.
I mean this shouldn't even be a debate anymore. Sims 4 has sold millions of copies and several members of this community have made it clear they have gaming computers. The game still has issues regardless of specs. Some issues are a result of a slow computer, some are bad coding or scripting.
Sims 4 is definitely in the latter. I got my computer as a steal on amazon and it was like the 2nd best computer they had on the market at the time. This was only a couple months ago. Regardless, I could actually faintly hear one of the additional fans kicking on at the precise moment the game would have slow down and time distortion issues. I can play plenty of other games such as Witcher 3, Fallout 4 and online shooters without problems, yet Sims 3 and Sims 4 are still bumpy for me. That's not the computer, that's the games.
The sims 4 does need some fixing. It will run worse on a lower spec computer. Some who have very low end can't run the game anymore because they added C & D. C and D requirements upped the game
I guess I have been lucky. the sims 3 runs pretty well for me on both my desktop and laptop. That game likes some hardware better than others. This may also apply to the sims 4 too. There is so much hardware out there and they keep coming out with something new all the time. Gaming tech hardware is moving very fast
Yeah I cant get Cats and Dogs because even without it, running Sims 4 is cruel and unusual punishment for my laptop lmao i literally have to play a modded out 3 if I want more gameplay and not break my computer/game.
There are those few who can't run C & D. Less than I thought. I thought this forum was going to get filled with people who could not run C & D like TS3 pets did. I was wrong. The Mods and CC broke more than anything else.
Yeah lmao By the time I save up for a new PC Sims 5 will probably be in development too.
May as well save up to be able to run that and wait to be the obsessed completionist i am
My speculations on hints for future content:
-Cars Update
-Spiral/Diagonal Stairs Update
-Hotel Pack
-Romance Pack (possibly combined with Hotel Pack)
-Bands Pack
-Royalty Pack
-Fashion Design Pack
-Fairies Pack
-Werewolf Pack
-France-inspired World
Yeah lmao By the time I save up for a new PC Sims 5 will probably be in development too.
May as well save up to be able to run that and wait to be the obsessed completionist i am
Yeah doesn't hurt to save now. I still am missing some Sims 1 packs myself. But I found out Sims packs usually get cheaper with time. I mean Sims 3 packs go on sale on steam ever so often for $5 each. I never bought any of the Sims 3 SPs. I kind of wish Sims 1 would come to Origin because I know that one works on my laptop, but not the desktop computer, so there does come a time when specs are too low too within a Simmer lifetime which is also interesting.
“Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it.” –Helen Keller
Yeah lmao By the time I save up for a new PC Sims 5 will probably be in development too.
May as well save up to be able to run that and wait to be the obsessed completionist i am
Yeah doesn't hurt to save now. I still am missing some Sims 1 packs myself. But I found out Sims packs usually get cheaper with time. I mean Sims 3 packs go on sale on steam ever so often for $5 each. I never bought any of the Sims 3 SPs. I kind of wish Sims 1 would come to Origin because I know that one works on my laptop, but not the desktop computer, so there does come a time when specs are too low too within a Simmer lifetime which is also interesting.
I would love it if they brought back a tweaked sims 1 hahahaha if all they did was make it so the kids grew up i would play nothing but that and the expansions.
My speculations on hints for future content:
-Cars Update
-Spiral/Diagonal Stairs Update
-Hotel Pack
-Romance Pack (possibly combined with Hotel Pack)
-Bands Pack
-Royalty Pack
-Fashion Design Pack
-Fairies Pack
-Werewolf Pack
-France-inspired World
I would argue that the best feature from Sims3 was the CAST, the ability to alter the color and texture of ... well, anything ... clothes, wallpaper, rugs, chairs, beds .... All done with a color wheel to select the color, and various templates for designs, geometric shapes and whatnot. It was the best feature of the game (although others will still argue that it is open world, with CAST in second). We were told that due to the limitations of the Sims4 game engine, CAST wouldn't be possible in the Sims4 universe (and no, I don't have the exact wording on it, don't want to try to even look it up).
All was well and good until Cats and Dogs were released ... with all things, CAP. I be confused.
CAP has a color wheel, it allows us to alter our pets. We can change the color, add shapes, patterns, designs, in various mix-matched colors on the fur and can customize our pets to our hearts content. And yet, we can't do that for our sims? We can't add streaks of color into their hair, we can't add patterns to their clothes, we can't change the color of the drapes ... but we can to our pets.
How can we have CAP, but we can't have a version of CAST?
I have been wondering that too and I also wonder why some of the newer items look so unfinished. Is it budget or w/e, or is it for a purpose? Look at some of the items in this room. To me they look like templates. Makes me hope that we will get a color wheel for items too.
The thing is, they also lose customers when their software lags behind unless it's considered an amazing game. And Sims 4 is generally not considered amazing when discussed on gaming sites. When you have people who are comparing the features of older games in the series to the new one -- unfavorably -- this hurts sales. They'll probably keep Sims 4 runable on consoles, but that requires steeper specs than Sims 4 started out with. But they need to give their audience a reason to buy their game instead of just playing older versions.
Anyway on topic, CAST would be nice for some of the color swatches in game. Like with the hair black, brown, purple, and blonde hair color swatches just feel off. For doing walls and floors, it is really hard to have them match the furniture sometimes because the color can be really off.
I really did love this feature a lot in the Sims 3 CAS:
Makeup opacity was a really nice tool too:
I guess reason why I liked CAST was so much was more than the predefined patterns. I liked having opacity tool and color wheel with it and being able to change individual parts. I think CAP does show the technology of CAST is still there, just hasn't been done for the Sims yet, but doesn't mean that it can't be. So it would be interesting to see how it could work for Sims seeing that CAP has color wheel and opacity sliders too. I actually like the UI of CAP quite a lot.
Sims 4 CAP:
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You need to be able to put up approximately 300-400$ every 10 years to be able to game on medium to low settings. More than that if you want to be gaming on max settings. ARK is the Crysis of today and I'm able to get above 30 FPS on medium settings. The Sims 4 can almost run on a tablet. If you can afford something as expensive as a franchise that costs you 420$ an iteration (more, The Sims 4 will likely aproach the price of 700$ before dying off), you can afford to upgrade.
In fact it is a shame that we have to put up with a very limited game that will be less attractive by the iteration if they will continue with this extreme inclusivety.
https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/using/channel-basics.html
and to have to do this to every single thing already in Sims 4 - is to me not an easy task from my prospective. Seeing the pets were made with the added color channels and the tool to apply them - they have the ground work done - but nothing else in the game does - so to me it does not seem to be something EA would support for us to have CASt in rest of the game.
Also this:
https://helpx.adobe.com/search.html#q=What is the difference of swatch recoloring or color wheel recoloring of an object&t=All&sort=relevancy&CommonProduct=Photoshop
Keep in mind this is just photoshop and probably not the more elaborate tool used in this game.
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Keep in mind that the $420 you suggested will be the cost of the sims iteration.... is a cost stretched out over a 5 year period. So that's.... $420 divided by 60 months = $7 per month to play the sims at $420 per that iteration. Then there's the sales which some people take advantage of. When will the next sims EP come out? Maybe October of next year. So I have 10 months to get my hands on $40. That's $4 per month I must save... and voila I have the next sims EP.
People can't as easily find sales on Video Cards, or Ram chips. And video cards cost more than $40. As I already pointed out, My video card (to replace) cost $250. The recommended upgrade is $450. I can't afford that upgrade. The cost of the recommended upgrade on just the video card alone is more expensive than the entire iteration of the sims 4 that you listed as being around $420.
I am currently using a 24 inch monitor, because my 32 inch broke down a week ago. It will cost me over $200 (tax in) to get a new one. The new monitor by itself is more than half of the cost of the sims 4 iteration that (again) you price at being about $420.
Being able to play the sims with some packs included, is NOT an indication of one's ability to afford new computer stuff.
You can use a TV as a monitor if you want a bigger screen. It will still work for point and click games like the sims.
I mean this shouldn't even be a debate anymore. Sims 4 has sold millions of copies and several members of this community have made it clear they have gaming computers. The game still has issues regardless of specs. Some issues are a result of a slow computer, some are bad coding or scripting.
Sims 4 is definitely in the latter. I got my computer as a steal on amazon and it was like the 2nd best computer they had on the market at the time. This was only a couple months ago. Regardless, I could actually faintly hear one of the additional fans kicking on at the precise moment the game would have slow down and time distortion issues. I can play plenty of other games such as Witcher 3, Fallout 4 and online shooters without problems, yet Sims 3 and Sims 4 are still bumpy for me. That's not the computer, that's the games.
I paid $800 to purchase my computer 2 years ago but... had to pay another $800 to put stuff in it (such as my upgraded video card which was $250 by itself). That was $1600 I paid within a 5 minute conversation at the computer store.
And yes, I know very well I can grab my 40 inch TV from the living room and plug it into my computer... but, not going to do that. I'll leave it there for my daily dose of reality shows. lol
Added note: I'm in Canada
Well it depends on what you buy too. You can spend that amount easily (and a lot more) just on a decent video card. We build our own pcs (Hubby and son are pc techs/ another son is a C++ programmer) - get components at cost as my Tech son also owns a Computer store - but I easily spend about 2000 every couple of years on rebuilds. The only thing I don't replace is monitors or cases - until I have too. Lol.
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Or better alternative:
If a game was only about "playing", CAS wouldn't be a thing in the first place. I don't agree with you completely tho.
The sims 4 does need some fixing. It will run worse on a lower spec computer. Some who have very low end can't run the game anymore because they added C & D. C and D requirements upped the game
I guess I have been lucky. the sims 3 runs pretty well for me on both my desktop and laptop. That game likes some hardware better than others. This may also apply to the sims 4 too. There is so much hardware out there and they keep coming out with something new all the time. Gaming tech hardware is moving very fast
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That's not the cost of the whole iteration, that's just cost to date. So 3 out of 5 years in?
In fact if I bought everything from Origin, except for the Deluxe edition and just went with standard edition, I would have spend 361£ or 476$.
If you can not afford to upgrade to run a game of this caliber that is THIS expensive, one time purchase games might be a better investment.
Two years ago computers cost more than they do now off the shelf. My desktop is custom. At the time I bought it 2 years ago SSD were very expensive. They have now come down in price with SSD. My custom desktop was $1500 range at the time.
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System requirements for it: https://www.origin.com/usa/en-us/store/the-sims/the-sims-4/expansion/the-sims-4-cats-and-dogs#requirements
Cheapest video card using recommended settings is $71.47 on Amazon: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Q9kD4D/pny-video-card-vcggtx650xpb
Cheapest CPU part using recommended settings is $139.45: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/x7xfrH/intel-cpu-bx80637i53450s
Question is if CAST is going to slow down computers, won't future packs as well especially when seasons comes around and raises specs again? Either way when it comes to DLC people are going to have to choose to either upgrade their computers to match specs at least or buy console games and stick to the mobile versions. Low specs was set for the base game, but EA had no promises and we all sign an agreement when installing the game that whatever updates come with the free updates for example, that we allow Origin to do it on our computer. Why I don't get the I didn't agree to this patch argument because legally we have already just by installing the base game. I just wish people would read things about their game when it comes to specs and terms of agreement because it would save a lot of this hassle. Every other community out there does, why doesn't the Sims community do it? It doesn't make sense. There was even a poll that majority of Simmers here have been around since the first game, so it is not like they don't know any better by now when it comes to DLC, they do. DLC generally means specs will increase and happens with all the iterations not just the Sims 4. It will happen in the future. Simmers will have to choose which gaming system they can afford and works best for them whether it is console, mobile, or desktop. Maxis does provide options for Simmers for their games. I do wish we had the Sims Life Stories series back because those set of games were made for laptop computers. It was great having separate specs and options both for desktop and laptop computers during the Sims 2 era. Sims 3 and Sims 4 for whatever reason just didn't carry that forward. I think they should have.
I said that was off the self, non custom. You can get those fairly cheap. Going custom certified hardware is always more expensive The hardware is moving so quickly. The new intel coffee lake processor needs a whole new motherboard . The same thing happened when they put out skylake. I have haswell processor that is only two years old. I would need a new motherboard and ram if I were to get a new processor. I don't need one so I'm just going to run my computer in the ground and then buy a new one. It won't be worth it for me to upgrade what I have now
Yeah I cant get Cats and Dogs because even without it, running Sims 4 is cruel and unusual punishment for my laptop lmao i literally have to play a modded out 3 if I want more gameplay and not break my computer/game.
-Cars Update
-Spiral/Diagonal Stairs Update
-Hotel Pack
-Romance Pack (possibly combined with Hotel Pack)
-Bands Pack
-Royalty Pack
-Fashion Design Pack
-Fairies Pack
-Werewolf Pack
-France-inspired World
Also keep in mind if you bought everything for Sims 3 including the store like I did you can multiply that easily by 5 or 6 times unless you waited for the end to buy and was willing to earn points watching ads or take advantage of all the various ways people now get free content. I bought most of Sims 3 as it came out - so total was pretty high. But believe me I scraped and saved to get it all - plus add to that I built 3 pcs for myself during the Sims 3 run as well.
Hobbies are not cheap - no hobby is. But hobbies are the way humans find their happy place and can become worth it to many of us. I don't go places - no vacations - like friends who waste way more than that on a single vacation and all they have to show for it is pictures. At least I have something to show for my money and I can still get use out of all that money any time I want without paying anything.
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In REALITY, I simply exist.....
There are those few who can't run C & D. Less than I thought. I thought this forum was going to get filled with people who could not run C & D like TS3 pets did. I was wrong. The Mods and CC broke more than anything else.
Yeah lmao By the time I save up for a new PC Sims 5 will probably be in development too.
May as well save up to be able to run that and wait to be the obsessed completionist i am
-Cars Update
-Spiral/Diagonal Stairs Update
-Hotel Pack
-Romance Pack (possibly combined with Hotel Pack)
-Bands Pack
-Royalty Pack
-Fashion Design Pack
-Fairies Pack
-Werewolf Pack
-France-inspired World
I would love it if they brought back a tweaked sims 1 hahahaha if all they did was make it so the kids grew up i would play nothing but that and the expansions.
-Cars Update
-Spiral/Diagonal Stairs Update
-Hotel Pack
-Romance Pack (possibly combined with Hotel Pack)
-Bands Pack
-Royalty Pack
-Fashion Design Pack
-Fairies Pack
-Werewolf Pack
-France-inspired World
I have been wondering that too and I also wonder why some of the newer items look so unfinished. Is it budget or w/e, or is it for a purpose? Look at some of the items in this room. To me they look like templates. Makes me hope that we will get a color wheel for items too.
I really did love this feature a lot in the Sims 3 CAS:
Makeup opacity was a really nice tool too:
I guess reason why I liked CAST was so much was more than the predefined patterns. I liked having opacity tool and color wheel with it and being able to change individual parts. I think CAP does show the technology of CAST is still there, just hasn't been done for the Sims yet, but doesn't mean that it can't be. So it would be interesting to see how it could work for Sims seeing that CAP has color wheel and opacity sliders too. I actually like the UI of CAP quite a lot.
Sims 4 CAP: