Can mood swings cause death?

BlueR0se · May 2017

So one of my teen sims got a "mortified" mood swing where she was panicking about everyone looking at her. Is this just that high level cause of negative mood points stacks (she just got off from and was stressed out majorily) or is that a permanent high mood feature? And if so, are my teen sims in danger of emotional deaths because of it?

Just wondering if I should be panicked or not or they're pretty safe in this life stage cause of how random it can be.

Denimjo · May 2017

You can have your parent sims try to talk them down in addition to trying to get the teen to calm down on their own (usually at a mirror). I don't think they're at risk of dying unless they suffer a couple more really embarrassing incidents at home while the buff is still active.

Gruffman · May 2017

You could easily push her into an emotional death if she continues to get embarrassed. My teen sim got that one too ... Mortified +50. Relax her in a hot tub/spa and have her talk it out to get rid of the buff faster.

gothprincess4ever · May 2017

You can use the parents to make the mood swing end more easily. Or make them relax while using certain interactions. I haven't seen the mood swings yet because the children in the Sim family I'm currently playing are still Toddlers, but getting there soon! I just read these things in the reviews that have already come out. Happy Simming to you!

BlueR0se · May 2017

I knew how to remove it just wanted to make sure she was still at risk of death cause then I'd gotta keep high alert on all my teen sims.

Finvola · May 2017

I was really caught off guard when that happened to my teen last night. I've never had any sim become mortified before. I don't know how long he was that way before I discovered it but I quickly got him to a mirror to talk himself down. In the meantime I sent his mom over to talk about it but talking in the mirror was enough to help.

Hadron1776 · May 2017

No. This last patch restricted emotional deaths to YA and older. Which, I think is a very cheap and easy way to go about it tbh.

Cinebar · May 2017

Any emotion is fair game if enough stacking of buffs and other things. Laughing too much, angry, sad, embarrassed. You have to watch your Sims as always.

applehart · May 2017

I'm glad this pack is increasing the strong emotions because I almost never got them before. Now if only they'd reduce the environment happy buff, we would see more varied emotions across the board.

pepperjax1230 · May 2017

Hadron1776 wrote: »

No. This last patch restricted emotional deaths to YA and older. Which, I think is a very cheap and easy way to go about it tbh.

Where in the patch notes does it say that?

Hadron1776 · May 2017

It doesn't. But right after I downloaded Parenthood, I pulled the tuning files out again and found this in the global test sets of all 3 emotional deaths:

    <V t="sim_info">
      <U n="sim_info">
        <V t="specified" n="ages">
          <L n="specified">
            <E>YOUNGADULT</E>
            <E>ADULT</E>
            <E>ELDER</E>
          </L>
        </V>
        <V t="specified" n="species">
          <L n="specified">
            <E />
          </L>
        </V>
        <E n="who">Actor</E>
      </U>
    </V>

Triplis · May 2017

Hadron1776 wrote: »

No. This last patch restricted emotional deaths to YA and older. Which, I think is a very cheap and easy way to go about it tbh.

I was following this thread, hoping to see something like this. That makes so much more sense, that they'd restrict it if they were going to give teens such extremes. Thanks for looking through the code for it!

Hadron1776 · May 2017

Honestly, it would be better if they dealt with those extremes by blacklisting the mood swing buffs... that way teens could still die from emotions but having a mood swing wouldn't be a death sentence.

pepperjax1230 · May 2017

Hadron1776 wrote: »

It doesn't. But right after I downloaded Parenthood, I pulled the tuning files out again and found this in the global test sets of all 3 emotional deaths:

    <V t="sim_info">
      <U n="sim_info">
        <V t="specified" n="ages">
          <L n="specified">
            <E>YOUNGADULT</E>
            <E>ADULT</E>
            <E>ELDER</E>
          </L>
        </V>
        <V t="specified" n="species">
          <L n="specified">
            <E />
          </L>
        </V>
        <E n="who">Actor</E>
      </U>
    </V>

That doesn't mean anything. Why change it and not tell us makes no sense.

Triplis · May 2017

Hadron1776 wrote: »

Honestly, it would be better if they dealt with those extremes by blacklisting the mood swing buffs... that way teens could still die from emotions but having a mood swing wouldn't be a death sentence.

I see your point. Though I think it's better this way as a forward-compatibility approach. Doing it this way not only makes it compatible with custom content (thinking of those teen traits I made, for example) but it also means if they ever want to add more extreme moodlets to teens, for whatever reason, they don't need to go in and manually add each one, each time.

I'm also just not sure that a blacklist for a buff would work in that context. I feel like I experimented with that once, though my understanding of the code was a lot more fuzzy back then, so I might have been doing it wrong.

Hadron1776 · May 2017

Triplis wrote: »

Hadron1776 wrote: »

Honestly, it would be better if they dealt with those extremes by blacklisting the mood swing buffs... that way teens could still die from emotions but having a mood swing wouldn't be a death sentence.

I see your point. Though I think it's better this way as a forward-compatibility approach. Doing it this way not only makes it compatible with custom content (thinking of those teen traits I made, for example) but it also means if they ever want to add more extreme moodlets to teens, for whatever reason, they don't need to go in and manually add each one, each time.

I've noticed that all mood swing buffs have this:

  <V n="_temporary_commodity_info" t="enabled">
    <U n="enabled">
      <L n="categories">
        <E>Embarrassed_Buffs | etc</E>
        <E>TeenMoodSwing_Buffs</E>
      </L>
      <T n="max_duration">360</T>
    </U>
  </V>

So for the death types, one could just do this:

            <V t="statistic_in_category">
              <U n="statistic_in_category">
                <T n="check_for_existence">False</T>
                <E n="statistic_category">TeenMoodSwing_Buffs</E>
              </U>
            </V>

Which would avoid the problem of having to add each buffs to the blacklist test, as long as the buffs you want go to that group

Also:

Triplis wrote: »

I'm also just not sure that a blacklist for a buff would work in that context. I feel like I experimented with that once, though my understanding of the code was a lot more fuzzy back then, so I might have been doing it wrong.

Like this?

    <V t="buff">
      <U n="buff">
        <L n="blacklist">
          <T>26171<!--Buff: buff_Sim_IsDying--></T>
        </L>
      </U>
    </V>

BlueR0se · May 2017

Well thank you for the confirmation. Makes me 10x more relieved. I don't mind if it's the one death teens don't get because of the mood swings, cause they're still plenty of deaths one can trigger for teens.

Triplis · May 2017

Hadron1776 wrote: »
Triplis wrote: »

Hadron1776 wrote: »

Honestly, it would be better if they dealt with those extremes by blacklisting the mood swing buffs... that way teens could still die from emotions but having a mood swing wouldn't be a death sentence.

I see your point. Though I think it's better this way as a forward-compatibility approach. Doing it this way not only makes it compatible with custom content (thinking of those teen traits I made, for example) but it also means if they ever want to add more extreme moodlets to teens, for whatever reason, they don't need to go in and manually add each one, each time.

I've noticed that all mood swing buffs have this:
 <V n="_temporary_commodity_info" t="enabled">
 
 <L n="categories">
 <E>Embarrassed_Buffs | etc</E>
 <E>TeenMoodSwing_Buffs</E>
 </L>
 <T n="max_duration">360</T>
 
 </V>
So for the death types, one could just do this:
 <V t="statistic_in_category">
 
 <T n="check_for_existence">False</T>
 <E n="statistic_category">TeenMoodSwing_Buffs</E>
 
 </V>
Which would avoid the problem of having to add each buffs to the blacklist test, as long as the buffs you want go to that group
Also:

Triplis wrote: »

I'm also just not sure that a blacklist for a buff would work in that context. I feel like I experimented with that once, though my understanding of the code was a lot more fuzzy back then, so I might have been doing it wrong.

Like this?
 <V t="buff">
 
 <L n="blacklist">
 <T>26171</T>
 </L>
 
 </V>

I dunno what it was like. I forget what I tried at the time. It was months ago.

As for the check thing... I still say that's limiting in terms of forward-compatibility. There might be reasons in the future they'd want to give teens other extreme moods that don't have anything to do with mood swings.

But perhaps more importantly, just from a design philosophy standpoint, I think it'd confuse people if mood swings only weren't included in emotional deaths, but other moods are. Because at that point, it's almost like you're saying, emotional death should only happen if the player forces it to. Which is a bit weird, considering the extemporaneous design of extreme emotions and emotional deaths.

Hadron1776 · May 2017

Ah. That makes sense

shecker · June 2017

My teen got off the school bus and the camera immediately zoomed to him. I see him curl up on the ground and click on him, he's Mortified +50 from a mood swing. That's IT! Now he's dead. How is this possible? Seems like just a random chance my sims will die getting off the bus from school, I had no opportunity to reduce his embarrassment. This has to be a glitch.

Sid1701D9 · June 2017

Teens and children have never had been able to get to the death emotion as that would created a -negative Teen rating situation. I couldn't even get my teenage sim to die of hysterical laughing to death.

Hadron1776 · June 2017

Sid1701D9 wrote: »

Teens and children have never had been able to get to the death emotion as that would created a -negative Teen rating situation. I couldn't even get my teenage sim to die of hysterical laughing to death.

Teens were able to die from emotions before; a patch that came with the Parenthood expansion now prevents teens from dying that way. This is because the mood swings are +50 intensity.

alan650111 · June 2017

Hadron1776 wrote: »

No. This last patch restricted emotional deaths to YA and older. Which, I think is a very cheap and easy way to go about it tbh.

I wish that emotional deaths weren't a feature at all! I think it is the worst feature of the game. This is a game about emotions and the extreme ones are the most fun so we shouldn't have to worry that our sim will die of them!

shygirl · June 2017

Hadron1776 wrote: »

No. This last patch restricted emotional deaths to YA and older. Which, I think is a very cheap and easy way to go about it tbh.

teens can die from being mortified because of a mood swing, my teen just died

pepperjax1230 · June 2017

shygirl wrote: »

Hadron1776 wrote: »

No. This last patch restricted emotional deaths to YA and older. Which, I think is a very cheap and easy way to go about it tbh.

teens can die from being mortified because of a mood swing, my teen just died

See I knew that could happen why change it and not tell us.

Hadron1776 · June 2017

shygirl wrote: »

Hadron1776 wrote: »

No. This last patch restricted emotional deaths to YA and older. Which, I think is a very cheap and easy way to go about it tbh.

teens can die from being mortified because of a mood swing, my teen just died

Do you have any mods involving allowing kids to die from other things? They override the emotional deaths.

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