Dear OP, it's simply not fair to compare an extremly outdated and limited low budget browser game (Sims 4) to a AAA title which was (when released) so much ahead of it's time (--> Sims 3). You can't do it, you won't do justice to none of these two.
"[...] and everything will be okay in the end. If it's not okay, then it's not the end."
I hate how you have to wait five minutes for the loading screen just to cross the street in TS4! It's super annoying. Unfortunately, they don't sell TS3 on Origin anymore, so I'm stuck with TS4's crappy worlds. I hope EA changes this.
I hate how you have to wait five minutes for the loading screen just to cross the street in TS4! It's super annoying. Unfortunately, they don't sell TS3 on Origin anymore, so I'm stuck with TS4's crappy worlds. I hope EA changes this.
Dear OP, it's simply not fair to compare an extremly outdated and limited low budget browser game (Sims 4) to a AAA title which was (when released) so much ahead of it's time (--> Sims 3). You can't do it, you won't do justice to none of these two.
Really? Are we using that to defend TS4 now?
If this is the case, then it shouldn't have a premium price tag. It's being charged the SAME amount as an ACTUAL premium game.
I have probably said this before but the look of the greyed out neighbourhood screen in TS4 compared to the green looking worlds of previous games does very little justice
Obviously you can't zoom out as far as you can in 4. It's sectioned off for ease of play. Thus I took a picture of the neighborhood zoomed out. There's a difference between being able to go there and not being able to. The pictures of 3 that I posted you could walk your Sim everywhere, you cannot do that in 4 which is why only a neighborhood screenshot is necessary, because you can actually walk around there. If they hadn't sectioned them off and left it open like 3 it would still be more alive and active than 3. The blue map view in 4 is just a map of the area, nothing more.
Thus it's pointless to compare a flat map you can merely look at to a town you actually play in. You need to take a picture of the areas you can actually play in. Otherwise you might as well be comparing the main menus or something.
Yes, you can't zoom out because if you do, you'll see the edge of the world. "Ease of play" means that literally everything beyond the playable area is decorative.
No, the world would not be still more alive if had more playable area, unless you raise the number of sims actively passing though the world. It's like expecting a solution to remain the same concentration after adding more water to it.
I'm not talking about ANY of the bells and whistles Simmers create, those are much better than what the Sims team have created, I'm sure. I'm talking about base vanilla game only. 3 is empty. [ranty bits], you cannot deny that.
I'm gonna have to deny that.
I don't think 3 was empty at the start, far from it. It was flawed, but there wasn't literally nothing to do or see.
In my opinion, those "Bells and Whistles" (let's not be derogative, please) you speak of have been part of the Sims 3 community since the beginning of the game series. The Sims 3 was released on June 2, 2009. CAW was released on December 16, 2009.
So, the CAW community is not "Bells and Whistles", it's an integral part of the Sims 3 creative community.
And as far as the water is concerned 3 water is very metallic looking even on the highest settings, in my opinion. 4 is much better looking, though not stunning, and both can certainly be outdone by many other games who got water right.
I can't say I agree with you- water in the Sims 3 can be quite beautiful at times.
Heck, on a side note, the whole game can be quite beautiful.
> @Mchap353 said:
> I would love Sims 3 if it could be updated so that it worked smoothly and the bugs gone as I loved the large open spaces in it.
>
> For some reason (though I like Science fiction) I lost interest after the "Into the future" expansion.
This.
The bugs.
Especially in island paradise, which was my all time favorite till the horrible coding of it made the game impossible to play, even on my Alienware desktop.
Bigger does not mean better.
1- Sims 3 worlds needed more time for the objects to render even though the game was fully loaded.
2- The worlds had mostly rabbit holes
3- Most venues in Sims 3 were empty
although TS4 worlds are smaller but does not have any of the above problems of TS3 worlds
How long the objects takes to render depends on the processor and graphic card abilities of individual systems
Nothing wrong with rabbit holes, the provide the look without the graphic load; nothing interesting going on inside anyway. I prefer that my sims walk into a rabbit hole to go to work or school than to step off the curb at the end of the block and disappear
My venues were never empty. It was a bit odd, however, that the moment my sims steps a foot onto a venue lot dozens of sims come running to the same spot. Like they are stalking me or something.
I would rather have the TS3 problems with all the wonderful additions and attractions, then to have an empty world that runs smoothly,.
Bigger does not mean better.
1- Sims 3 worlds needed more time for the objects to render even though the game was fully loaded.
2- The worlds had mostly rabbit holes
3- Most venues in Sims 3 were empty
although TS4 worlds are smaller but does not have any of the above problems of TS3 worlds
How long the objects takes to render depends on the processor and graphic card abilities of individual systems
Nothing wrong with rabbit holes, the provide the look without the graphic load; nothing interesting going on inside anyway. I prefer that my sims walk into a rabbit hole to go to work or school than to step off the curb at the end of the block and disappear
My venues were never empty. It was a bit odd, however, that the moment my sims steps a foot onto a venue lot dozens of sims come running to the same spot. Like they are stalking me or something.
I would rather have the TS3 problems with all the wonderful additions and attractions, then to have an empty world that runs smoothly,.
Yeah. That was one of the main problems for me in TS3. I really just wanted people to be there before having my Sim there. It always creeped me out and made me not really want to look at a venue until my Sims were there for at least 30 seconds so people could actually be there.
Just some random Simmer you probably don't even follow on the gallery! Gallery name's the same as my username! Did I just rhyme there?
Bigger does not mean better.
1- Sims 3 worlds needed more time for the objects to render even though the game was fully loaded.
2- The worlds had mostly rabbit holes
3- Most venues in Sims 3 were empty
although TS4 worlds are smaller but does not have any of the above problems of TS3 worlds
How long the objects takes to render depends on the processor and graphic card abilities of individual systems
Nothing wrong with rabbit holes, the provide the look without the graphic load; nothing interesting going on inside anyway. I prefer that my sims walk into a rabbit hole to go to work or school than to step off the curb at the end of the block and disappear
My venues were never empty. It was a bit odd, however, that the moment my sims steps a foot onto a venue lot dozens of sims come running to the same spot. Like they are stalking me or something.
I would rather have the TS3 problems with all the wonderful additions and attractions, then to have an empty world that runs smoothly,.
Yeah. That was one of the main problems for me in TS3. I really just wanted people to be there before having my Sim there. It always creeped me out and made me not really want to look at a venue until my Sims were there for at least 30 seconds so people could actually be there.
That's odd, because in my game sims start running to a lot the moment I order my sim to go there. And then he still has some travelling to do. So when he arrives there are always sims there to welcome him. I think they made two versions: one for players and one for complainers.
I don't experience the sim zergs on community lots, I have a mod that prevents swarming. That said, there are always sims at my parks or entertainment lots, even before my sim gets there. It's one of the things I've always liked about it.
Also I LOVE rabbitholes. I thought they were a marvelous way to combat the "disappearing into nothingness" of TS2. I never wanted to see my sims at work or at school so they suit me perfectly.
Yeah. That was one of the main problems for me in TS3. I really just wanted people to be there before having my Sim there. It always creeped me out and made me not really want to look at a venue until my Sims were there for at least 30 seconds so people could actually be there.
In TS4 there is nobody on a lot until your sim decides to go there and while you are in your load screen the game populates it. But the thing is, it is all too often the very same sims who were with you on the last community lot. Talk about creepy! I guess one person's immersion killer is another person's paradise.
I always find it funny, technically the Sims 4 worlds are less populated with the 180 Sim cull limit. Playing the Sims 3 again, I'm finding the world so much more filled with life. It was beautiful seeing real cars drive around and drop neighbors at their houses. Sims are actually talking and interacting with each other, not just doing push ups and talking selfies. It is just really beautiful to see. The Sims 4 really made me appreciate the Sims 3 so much more and I'm grateful for that.
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@jje10001 Great TS3 pictures! Do you recall the name of the world in the fourth picture, the one with the non-rabbithole lighthouse? That's beautiful. It gives me an Aurora Skies vibe (my favorite TS3 world) and is tempting me to reinstall TS3 to be 100% honest.
@jje10001 Great TS3 pictures! Do you recall the name of the world in the fourth picture, the one with the non-rabbithole lighthouse? That's beautiful. It gives me an Aurora Skies vibe (my favorite TS3 world) and is tempting me to reinstall TS3 to be 100% honest.
Yeah. That was one of the main problems for me in TS3. I really just wanted people to be there before having my Sim there. It always creeped me out and made me not really want to look at a venue until my Sims were there for at least 30 seconds so people could actually be there.
Some of the issues also came about because of computer limitations, where an old computer would cause the game to push out fewer sims. For people with slower systems, it really helps to use smaller worlds.
On top of that, number of sims in a town would also limit how many sims were out and about- A sim in the Sims 3 can't be in two places at once, so in a venue-rich world like Bridgeport, it meant that sims were spread pretty thinly!
Ultimately, the problems with open world aren't with the concept itself, but with the way it's been implemented.
> @JadedTiger11 said: > Sims 3 worlds are much better than in Sims 4. Sims 3 offer exciting worlds where one can walk freely in, do stuff , meet other Sims and explore and Sims 4 doesn't have much of that. I much prefer Sims 3 layout of world than Sims 4. Sims 3, I like the open world concept and also the beauty of the worlds, especially Island Paradise - the worlds come alive and it's easier to interact with all that's going on around you. The worlds in Sims 3 offer lots of possibility to grow and beauty....
Yeah... The Sims 4 was not a winner for me. I have played the Sims since the Sims 1, and in my opinion the Sims 4 is the worst. The graphics are excellent but I'm not too keen on the comical style. I loved the Sims 3 because of its life like graphics and open worlds. It required less but longer loading screens but if your PC or Macintosh could handle it, it was a fab game. I'm guessing that Get Together was a spin off of Late Night. Where is the High Rise Buildings? Celebrities? I keep playing, of course, but The Sims 3 and 2 are my favourite. What is your opinion?
> @KaceyS said: > I bought TS4 the day it was released, as I have with all the other releases. I'm a supper fan and Sims addict, however I played TS4 a grand total of 3 times and completely lost interest due to how incredibly disappointed I was with it. Here are my reasons... > > 1. It took me almost 2 hours to figure out the hot key controls and the most frustrating part of that was trying to figure out how to tilt up and down so I could at least look at the sky. > 2. I feel like I'm in a goldfish bowl. Even when my view is zoomed out, there is far less to see then there was in TS3. It feels claustrophobic. > 3. I got so frustrated trying to figure out how to find and visit the grocery store or other community lots that I just gave up. > 4. No patterns or color customizations?? Seriously?? > 5. Only a few open lots to choose to live on? again SERIOUSLY?? > > I thought this game was going to be an advancement in the series however it's by far the most boring, frustrating and cartoonishly fake version that I ever had the misfortune to play. I know you might not agree with me and you may love TS4 and thats awesome. I'm just bummed that I can't feel the same love and enthusiasm for it, so I will be back in lonely TS3 where there will never be new content and Maxis has clearly left far behind. (Drama for emphasis)
I totally agree with you... The Sims 3 and The Sims 2 are favs!
> @JoshuaSkylar said: > I agree. Sims 3 worlds are worlds, Sims 4 'worlds' are more like real estate floor plan.
* TRUE! I really have a distaste for the Sims 4. The *neighbourhoods* are not detailed enough and I miss open worlds! We have come so far in the sims franchise, but the sims 4 is a HUGE let down.
The Sims 3 worlds are definitely better, larger and open, and thanks to CAW we can create basically everything we imagine: i.imgur.com/gJOPvX5.jpg i.imgur.com/GOyAee4.jpg i.imgur.com/1N4C05w.jpg The lack of customisation is 4 pretty annoying, I’d like to put more plants and lots, improve the style of a certain neighbourhood, create my own from a plain flat square like in 3, but all that is impossible so far. Hopefully not forever.
The Sims 3 worlds are definitely better, larger and open, and thanks to CAW we can create basically everything we imagine:
i.imgur.com/gJOPvX5.jpg
i.imgur.com/GOyAee4.jpg
i.imgur.com/1N4C05w.jpg
The lack of customisation is 4 pretty annoying, I’d like to put more plants and lots, improve the style of a certain neighbourhood, create my own from a plain flat square like in 3, but all that is impossible so far. Hopefully not forever.
The Sims 3 worlds are definitely better, larger and open, and thanks to CAW we can create basically everything we imagine:
The lack of customisation is 4 pretty annoying, I’d like to put more plants and lots, improve the style of a certain neighbourhood, create my own from a plain flat square like in 3, but all that is impossible so far. Hopefully not forever.
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@Otterz77, the Sims 3 is still available on Origin.
https://www.origin.com/en-us/store/browse?q=sims 3#28
Really? Are we using that to defend TS4 now?
If this is the case, then it shouldn't have a premium price tag. It's being charged the SAME amount as an ACTUAL premium game.
I have probably said this before but the look of the greyed out neighbourhood screen in TS4 compared to the green looking worlds of previous games does very little justice
Yes, you can't zoom out because if you do, you'll see the edge of the world. "Ease of play" means that literally everything beyond the playable area is decorative.
No, the world would not be still more alive if had more playable area, unless you raise the number of sims actively passing though the world. It's like expecting a solution to remain the same concentration after adding more water to it.
I'm gonna have to deny that.
I don't think 3 was empty at the start, far from it. It was flawed, but there wasn't literally nothing to do or see.
In my opinion, those "Bells and Whistles" (let's not be derogative, please) you speak of have been part of the Sims 3 community since the beginning of the game series. The Sims 3 was released on June 2, 2009. CAW was released on December 16, 2009.
So, the CAW community is not "Bells and Whistles", it's an integral part of the Sims 3 creative community.
I can't say I agree with you- water in the Sims 3 can be quite beautiful at times.
Heck, on a side note, the whole game can be quite beautiful.
Yeah, unfortunately, the onus is on the game devs, who left tons of little flaws in the world. Ellacharmed fixed up a lot of those issues: http://modthesims.info/browse.php?gs=0&u=1515002
How long the objects takes to render depends on the processor and graphic card abilities of individual systems
Nothing wrong with rabbit holes, the provide the look without the graphic load; nothing interesting going on inside anyway. I prefer that my sims walk into a rabbit hole to go to work or school than to step off the curb at the end of the block and disappear
My venues were never empty. It was a bit odd, however, that the moment my sims steps a foot onto a venue lot dozens of sims come running to the same spot. Like they are stalking me or something.
I would rather have the TS3 problems with all the wonderful additions and attractions, then to have an empty world that runs smoothly,.
Yeah. That was one of the main problems for me in TS3. I really just wanted people to be there before having my Sim there. It always creeped me out and made me not really want to look at a venue until my Sims were there for at least 30 seconds so people could actually be there.
Edit: love those pictures @jje10001
Also I LOVE rabbitholes. I thought they were a marvelous way to combat the "disappearing into nothingness" of TS2. I never wanted to see my sims at work or at school so they suit me perfectly.
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In TS4 there is nobody on a lot until your sim decides to go there and while you are in your load screen the game populates it. But the thing is, it is all too often the very same sims who were with you on the last community lot. Talk about creepy! I guess one person's immersion killer is another person's paradise.
That world is by Nilxis.
http://nilxis.tumblr.com/
He has a great variety of real-life inspired worlds, which can found here: http://nilxis.tumblr.com/my worlds
(The other world up there is one I worked on, it can be found here! http://forums.thesims.com/en_US/discussion/comment/13691211/#Comment_13691211)
This mod should fix some of your problems: http://simsasylum.com/tfm/index.php?/topic/2780-townies-out-on-the-town/
Some of the issues also came about because of computer limitations, where an old computer would cause the game to push out fewer sims. For people with slower systems, it really helps to use smaller worlds.
On top of that, number of sims in a town would also limit how many sims were out and about- A sim in the Sims 3 can't be in two places at once, so in a venue-rich world like Bridgeport, it meant that sims were spread pretty thinly!
Ultimately, the problems with open world aren't with the concept itself, but with the way it's been implemented.
> Sims 3 worlds are much better than in Sims 4. Sims 3 offer exciting worlds where one can walk freely in, do stuff , meet other Sims and explore and Sims 4 doesn't have much of that. I much prefer Sims 3 layout of world than Sims 4. Sims 3, I like the open world concept and also the beauty of the worlds, especially Island Paradise - the worlds come alive and it's easier to interact with all that's going on around you. The worlds in Sims 3 offer lots of possibility to grow and beauty....
I agree with you sincerely.
> I bought TS4 the day it was released, as I have with all the other releases. I'm a supper fan and Sims addict, however I played TS4 a grand total of 3 times and completely lost interest due to how incredibly disappointed I was with it. Here are my reasons...
>
> 1. It took me almost 2 hours to figure out the hot key controls and the most frustrating part of that was trying to figure out how to tilt up and down so I could at least look at the sky.
> 2. I feel like I'm in a goldfish bowl. Even when my view is zoomed out, there is far less to see then there was in TS3. It feels claustrophobic.
> 3. I got so frustrated trying to figure out how to find and visit the grocery store or other community lots that I just gave up.
> 4. No patterns or color customizations?? Seriously??
> 5. Only a few open lots to choose to live on? again SERIOUSLY??
>
> I thought this game was going to be an advancement in the series however it's by far the most boring, frustrating and cartoonishly fake version that I ever had the misfortune to play. I know you might not agree with me and you may love TS4 and thats awesome. I'm just bummed that I can't feel the same love and enthusiasm for it, so I will be back in lonely TS3 where there will never be new content and Maxis has clearly left far behind. (Drama for emphasis)
I totally agree with you... The Sims 3 and The Sims 2 are favs!
> I agree. Sims 3 worlds are worlds, Sims 4 'worlds' are more like real estate floor plan.
*
TRUE! I really have a distaste for the Sims 4. The *neighbourhoods* are not detailed enough and I miss open worlds! We have come so far in the sims franchise, but the sims 4 is a HUGE let down.
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The lack of customisation is 4 pretty annoying, I’d like to put more plants and lots, improve the style of a certain neighbourhood, create my own from a plain flat square like in 3, but all that is impossible so far. Hopefully not forever.
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I thought I was looking at The Witcher 3 on Ultra Settings for a minute there. lol