"we also have telemetry to tell us what people are actually playing with and using." And this time telemetry tells us that 0 % of all the players of Sims 4 are playing with toddlers. Which prooves that there is absolutely no need to add them in future expansion packs. Same goes for "Seasons" and "Pets". Although many people on the official forum are sad and angry that both components have not been added yet our statistics clearly indicates that those features are far less used than for example the possibility to woohoo. This leads us to the conclusion that one of our next stuff packs must enable players to make love on absolutely every in-game object (for example in the fisbowl and on the dishwater). Another beloves feature is "culling". Telemetry shows us that over 90 % of our customers experienced the sudden disappering of a Sim they liked much. Therefore we are also working on a pack that deletes a Sims every 4,25 seconds so we can fullfill the growing wish of neverending culling...
I think I will rest in peace... :-)
Oh, and before you klick on the zagadoo button... show a little humor :-)
Please don´t zagadoo me. I cannot deal with something like this and will have nightmares eventually. Like this one time, when I dreamed about a scary woman that told me "YOU RULE" in this very creepy voice and then clapped her hands, releasing a bunch of mindless dancers.
People say they want more family play but our telemetry says that's not how they play the game.
The woman so needs to take a course on using data to make decisions. The more she talks the less I like her and less hope I have for the games or the franchise if she continues on.
Well, this is at least an interesting point. If have often wondered if people here really would use the things they demand. For example, simmers have for years been crying for a remake of TS2 OFB. TS4 GTW delivered this in quite a good way - but I have the impression that shops play no big role in the discussions here. A lot of people even don't know how to upload working shops to the gallery. Maybe this would be the same with toddlers. Of course they looked cute in TS3, but you could never do interesting things with them. I think if EA re-introduced toddlers without changing their game mechanics completeley, this subject would vanish in 2 weeks and people would cry: boring, boring,boring.
It's like anything else. You're never going to introduce functionality that pleases all the people. Some people want toddlers only for the feeling of completion they give. A school aged child popping out of a crib just feels wrong. Some people will play them no matter what functionality they have. I play TS3 toddlers even though what you can do with them is limited. Some people will age them to child immediately. These are the same folks who age babies up immediately.
What I hooked me on this franchise was the wide variety of play. My preference is to play a generation from crib to grave. I play each life stage as fully as I can. I like the night life/party functionality because that's what my young adult sims do. But just like in real life, that stage ends and adulthood brings the responsibility of upper level jobs and family. My elders do all the "bucket list" stuff. They finish up skills or start learning the ones they never had time for. They retire and follow their passions.
My complaint about this game has always been that I really only have that young adult stage to play. Between missing toddlers and the confining world set up, I don't feel like I can enjoy the whole family at whatever stage they're in.
And my biggest complaint about Rachel Franklin is that she just doesn't seem to get this style of "cradle to grave" play.
I'm sorry...what? That was the worse interview ever. I hate Rachel Franklin so much. She doesn't get it.
First of all, everything they said about open world was just wrong. It's one thing to downgrade but it's another when you think it was the right decision. Open world has so many possibilities with exploration, customization and getting to places quickly without sitting through a loading screen. The least they could have done with open world in the Sims 4 is remove the loading screens for lots in the active neighborhood.
Second, I don't know how she could she say that she added pools, ghosts, new careers and not be embarrassed. These were all things that the base game had in previous titles. Please stop pretending you are improving the Sims 4 with these things. No. You are not. You are only completing the base game way after launch. That's embarrassing and nothing to be proud of.
And finally, what really irked me, is your response to toddlers. Yet again, you had an opportunity to give us some ease of mind and some confirmation. But no. You make these things worse by not only ignoring the interviewers question by rambling on about nothing but you also say it was the best decision to not include them. HOW!? HOW WAS THAT THE BEST DECISION TO MAKE?! That's like me snorting crack!That would totally be the best decision for me to do!!!! It would have been one thing to exclude toddlers and improve on the rest of the game. Like you said would with emotions. But that's not the case. Emotions hardly exist in the game. All they do is show how your Sim feels but there's nothing we can do with it. All we can do is Angry Poop and what does that do? Nothing. You don't even have every emotion in the game. Where is scared? Where is nervous? Where is disgust? I swear, almost everything in this game is so half-baked, how does that even justify the lack of toddlers?
You say you are looking at our "Telemetry" data to see what we play as but we don't have anything we want in the game. Still. I can only hope your looking at Sims 3 data more than 4 because you won't get an accurate reading from the Sims 4.
People say they want more family play but our telemetry says that's not how they play the game.
The woman so needs to take a course on using data to make decisions. The more she talks the less I like her and less hope I have for the games or the franchise if she continues on.
Well, this is at least an interesting point. If have often wondered if people here really would use the things they demand. For example, simmers have for years been crying for a remake of TS2 OFB. TS4 GTW delivered this in quite a good way - but I have the impression that shops play no big role in the discussions here. A lot of people even don't know how to upload working shops to the gallery. Maybe this would be the same with toddlers. Of course they looked cute in TS3, but you could never do interesting things with them. I think if EA re-introduced toddlers without changing their game mechanics completeley, this subject would vanish in 2 weeks and people would cry: boring, boring,boring.
It's like anything else. You're never going to introduce functionality that pleases all the people. Some people want toddlers only for the feeling of completion they give. A school aged child popping out of a crib just feels wrong. Some people will play them no matter what functionality they have. I play TS3 toddlers even though what you can do with them is limited. Some people will age them to child immediately. These are the same folks who age babies up immediately.
What I hooked me on this franchise was the wide variety of play. My preference is to play a generation from crib to grave. I play each life stage as fully as I can. I like the night life/party functionality because that's what my young adult sims do. But just like in real life, that stage ends and adulthood brings the responsibility of upper level jobs and family. My elders do all the "bucket list" stuff. They finish up skills or start learning the ones they never had time for. They retire and follow their passions.
My complaint about this game has always been that I really only have that young adult stage to play. Between missing toddlers and the confining world set up, I don't feel like I can enjoy the whole family at whatever stage they're in.
And my biggest complaint about Rachel Franklin is that she just doesn't seem to get this style of "cradle to grave" play.
It's no longer cradle to grave, it's "Bassinet to nightclub".
First of all, everything they said about open world was just wrong. It's one thing to downgrade but it's another when you think it was the right decision. Open world has so many possibilities with exploration and getting to places quickly without sitting through a loading screen. The least they could have done with open world in the Sims 4 is remove the loading screens for lots in the active neighborhood.
I actually agreed with what was said about open world. I hated open world.
This interview is depressing. The interviewer strengthens all her wrong ideas. Open worlds destroy the feeling? Photorealism would be terrible? Obviously he is no simmer.
Thanks for warning me. I was planning to click the link but now I fear it will only 🐸🐸🐸🐸 me off in a terrible way.
I'm just trying to wrap my head around this and it's frustrating because there's nothing to try to figure out. She's messing things up big time and so far her first year with TS4 is crashing hard.
RF: It’s been a contentious issue. But my feeling is that with the open world it’s harder to feel as connected with the town and your sims.
Marketing Spin--Like broken up, segmented, fractured, and off camera, is so much better.
I feel more connected to a town that is open, accessible, and visible.
Ugh, and the telemetry comment...
Did they collect that kind of information in TS3 too? Maybe that's why we got annoying features like a Celebrity status social virus, wonderful full moon game play ruined by zombie spawns, horses roaming city streets, and tons of other things that had simmers running off to find mods to stop it. Maybe simmers are doing certain things in the game as a reaction to something the game lacks. I loved the mood cycles. I turned it off because I hated zombie spawns. Just because I turn a feature off, or don't play a particular way, doesn't mean I don't like it. It usually means there is something about it that ruins the experience.
I don't play families at the moment and I have aging off because I want to save my current sims (which I adore) for the time when we get a Generations EP and hopefully toddlers and pre-teens. If a lot of other simmers are doing that then telemetry could come to the conclusion that a Generations EP isn't needed--The opposite of what I actually want. I am currently playing social Young Adults and telemetry would think I love only partying YAs.
YES, THIS! The fact I disabled supernaturals in the game, the celebrity system AND the moon cycle is caused by just one thing: it's bugged. Because I love those features as such. But they are unplayable. If I could disable mermaids I would, because they spawn the streets of my town and I want them to be rare and in the water. But I love mermaids.
This is terrible. Not only are they torturing us with bugs in this game, now it appears they hold those bugs against us? Those are your bugs guys, not ours.
Oh plumdy plum plum! I give up.... since she is obviously not willing to confess to any mistakes, there is no point in hoping for her to fix them. And without hope, there is no point in playing for me any more.
The interview really is insulting to the fan base. Buy our product,we know better than you what you will like and you can complain but our research tells us your ignorant so we will continue to not listen and have a good laugh over a cup of coffee that your disappointed in our production of the series! I have always supported the decisions that have been made to myself but after reading that and digesting what was said I cannot help but feel why do they have a feed back forum? What are they thinking? It's just insulting to think about how many people have invested there time in the masses of what they want for the game for it to be dismissed ever so casually by someone who really does seem out of touch with what the public wants for the game! Just disgusting!!!!!
Hi simmers! I'm really losing hope with this saga, I have increasingly less clear that we will give toddlers. Rachel does not seem to listen to the fans, just have to read the number of people who are dissatisfied (Including me), not only infants but in general. I am very sad to see read that interview at gamescom also left me disappointed :(, I'm sorry my English i'm a Spanish
She's just damaging the face of TS4, Honestly it could be amazing but her 'vision' is killing it, I KNOW the Guru's aren't the cause of the problem, SimGuruGraham has said to me a few times he would love to do a stuff pack for kids and joined in our convos about the items they could have. SimguruRusskii, Sarah, Daniel, Azure I know ALL of these love the sims series and have been around since previous titles. Honestly its all Rachel and she needs to stop this anti-family vision
The second I read the part about Telemetry being ONE of the MANY ways they make decisions I thought, "this is going to be the number one thing people on this forum are going to take and catastrophize about."
She says it so off-hand, and notes that it's just one small part of a really complex decision making process, but I guess it would be better if they used no in-game data at all? Just went by how they felt and the comments they happen to see on forums?
Everyone says the best way to make decisions is to use emotion, hearsay and ignore any evidence. *eye rolls*
Anyway, I thought that was an interesting article. It was cool getting a little bit of insight into things. It feels like the reigns are loosening a liiiiitle bit on the communication front, which is at least progress.
No. This is just a perfect example of confirmation bias.
I didn't play TS3 or comment about it, but from what I hear toddlers were annoying in that iteration, which would arguably result in an increase of players ageing them up or not playing them. Does this mean players didn't want toddlers, no. But if that is how you want to interpret it...
Also, was this the case for TS2? We'll never know as we didn't have to worry about being spied on 24/7. To segue into the problems with telemetry: not all players want EA to spy on their game. When I buy a hamburger I don't invited the cashier home to watch me and observe how I eat it. The same thing goes for turning off EA telemetry. I'm sure a lot of adult players with half a brain in their heads do so. Finally, good luck getting stats from all the fans who have stopped playing TS4 because it S-U-C-K-S. Or you can assume that everyone loves the game, since telemetrics show that those who have it on and are enjoying the game as is... are well... enjoying the game as is
Finally, I'm calling 🐸🐸🐸🐸. Originally, the toddler stage was planned for TS4, it was stated ALL lifestages would be present. Then they were yanked and it was stated that they--like pools were difficult to implement in the base game. Now they weren't implemented because of telemetry. B-friggin'-S. What was the point of their survey then? What was the whole, about toddlers and pools article? What was the 20,000+ petition about? Do people really have such a short term memory in a year?! Or perhaps, just maybe... the devs still don't know how to implement a generations EP without hosing it because TS4's solid foundation is about as solid as ice cream on a summer day. Now RF is going to spin it like: well, really the fans don't want them anyway...?!
Please, for the love of Will Wright, do NOT let RF anywhere near TS5.
GC: I was quite addicted to The Sims 2 for a while, but then I didn’t really like the open world element in the previous game – and I know that fans are divided on that issue. RF: It’s been a contentious issue. But my feeling is that with the open world it’s harder to feel as connected with the town and your sims.
You honestly want me to believe that being yanked out of my life simulation into a loading screen just to knock on a next door neighbor's door, is a better way to make me feel connected to my town and Sims? Please don't insult my intelligence, just don't. Please stop selling me cow pies and telling me they’re chocolate. I love The Sims, but I feel like EA/Maxis needs to level with us about why TS4 is built this way.
I just can't continue with this mess Racheal has created. I definitely can't continue to support a game that doesn't have anything that I want in it. She is not trying and continues to pull the leg of the people who keeps her in business. She had the chance to connect with her fans after them being so quiet for so long and what does she do? Push us further away from this vision that she is trying to create. I don't see this same vision she needs to go back and get another vision.
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"we also have telemetry to tell us what people are actually playing with and using." And this time telemetry tells us that 0 % of all the players of Sims 4 are playing with toddlers. Which prooves that there is absolutely no need to add them in future expansion packs. Same goes for "Seasons" and "Pets". Although many people on the official forum are sad and angry that both components have not been added yet our statistics clearly indicates that those features are far less used than for example the possibility to woohoo. This leads us to the conclusion that one of our next stuff packs must enable players to make love on absolutely every in-game object (for example in the fisbowl and on the dishwater).
Another beloves feature is "culling". Telemetry shows us that over 90 % of our customers experienced the sudden disappering of a Sim they liked much. Therefore we are also working on a pack that deletes a Sims every 4,25 seconds so we can fullfill the growing wish of neverending culling...
I think I will rest in peace... :-)
Oh, and before you klick on the zagadoo button... show a little humor :-)
It's like anything else. You're never going to introduce functionality that pleases all the people. Some people want toddlers only for the feeling of completion they give. A school aged child popping out of a crib just feels wrong. Some people will play them no matter what functionality they have. I play TS3 toddlers even though what you can do with them is limited. Some people will age them to child immediately. These are the same folks who age babies up immediately.
What I hooked me on this franchise was the wide variety of play. My preference is to play a generation from crib to grave. I play each life stage as fully as I can. I like the night life/party functionality because that's what my young adult sims do. But just like in real life, that stage ends and adulthood brings the responsibility of upper level jobs and family. My elders do all the "bucket list" stuff. They finish up skills or start learning the ones they never had time for. They retire and follow their passions.
My complaint about this game has always been that I really only have that young adult stage to play. Between missing toddlers and the confining world set up, I don't feel like I can enjoy the whole family at whatever stage they're in.
And my biggest complaint about Rachel Franklin is that she just doesn't seem to get this style of "cradle to grave" play.
First of all, everything they said about open world was just wrong. It's one thing to downgrade but it's another when you think it was the right decision. Open world has so many possibilities with exploration, customization and getting to places quickly without sitting through a loading screen. The least they could have done with open world in the Sims 4 is remove the loading screens for lots in the active neighborhood.
Second, I don't know how she could she say that she added pools, ghosts, new careers and not be embarrassed. These were all things that the base game had in previous titles. Please stop pretending you are improving the Sims 4 with these things. No. You are not. You are only completing the base game way after launch. That's embarrassing and nothing to be proud of.
And finally, what really irked me, is your response to toddlers. Yet again, you had an opportunity to give us some ease of mind and some confirmation. But no. You make these things worse by not only ignoring the interviewers question by rambling on about nothing but you also say it was the best decision to not include them. HOW!? HOW WAS THAT THE BEST DECISION TO MAKE?! That's like me snorting crack! That would totally be the best decision for me to do!!!! It would have been one thing to exclude toddlers and improve on the rest of the game. Like you said would with emotions. But that's not the case. Emotions hardly exist in the game. All they do is show how your Sim feels but there's nothing we can do with it. All we can do is Angry Poop and what does that do? Nothing. You don't even have every emotion in the game. Where is scared? Where is nervous? Where is disgust? I swear, almost everything in this game is so half-baked, how does that even justify the lack of toddlers?
You say you are looking at our "Telemetry" data to see what we play as but we don't have anything we want in the game. Still. I can only hope your looking at Sims 3 data more than 4 because you won't get an accurate reading from the Sims 4.
You frustrate me, Rachel Franklin.
It's no longer cradle to grave, it's "Bassinet to nightclub".
I actually agreed with what was said about open world. I hated open world.
It's Marketing 101: Turn everything negative into a positive.
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This is terrible. Not only are they torturing us with bugs in this game, now it appears they hold those bugs against us? Those are your bugs guys, not ours.
Well here just for the fun, EA's League of Legends.
GC: So I have to admit I really liked The Sims 4.
Do you even sim bro?
WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY?
No. This is just a perfect example of confirmation bias.
I didn't play TS3 or comment about it, but from what I hear toddlers were annoying in that iteration, which would arguably result in an increase of players ageing them up or not playing them. Does this mean players didn't want toddlers, no. But if that is how you want to interpret it...
Also, was this the case for TS2? We'll never know as we didn't have to worry about being spied on 24/7. To segue into the problems with telemetry: not all players want EA to spy on their game. When I buy a hamburger I don't invited the cashier home to watch me and observe how I eat it. The same thing goes for turning off EA telemetry. I'm sure a lot of adult players with half a brain in their heads do so. Finally, good luck getting stats from all the fans who have stopped playing TS4 because it S-U-C-K-S. Or you can assume that everyone loves the game, since telemetrics show that those who have it on and are enjoying the game as is... are well... enjoying the game as is
Finally, I'm calling 🐸🐸🐸🐸. Originally, the toddler stage was planned for TS4, it was stated ALL lifestages would be present. Then they were yanked and it was stated that they--like pools were difficult to implement in the base game. Now they weren't implemented because of telemetry. B-friggin'-S. What was the point of their survey then? What was the whole, about toddlers and pools article? What was the 20,000+ petition about? Do people really have such a short term memory in a year?! Or perhaps, just maybe... the devs still don't know how to implement a generations EP without hosing it because TS4's solid foundation is about as solid as ice cream on a summer day. Now RF is going to spin it like: well, really the fans don't want them anyway...?!
Please, for the love of Will Wright, do NOT let RF anywhere near TS5.
I never played League of Legends and that made me mad.
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What is wrong with her? She MUST leave, that's the only way.
All my creations are CC free.
GC: I was quite addicted to The Sims 2 for a while, but then I didn’t really like the open world element in the previous game – and I know that fans are divided on that issue.
RF: It’s been a contentious issue. But my feeling is that with the open world it’s harder to feel as connected with the town and your sims.
You honestly want me to believe that being yanked out of my life simulation into a loading screen just to knock on a next door neighbor's door, is a better way to make me feel connected to my town and Sims? Please don't insult my intelligence, just don't. Please stop selling me cow pies and telling me they’re chocolate. I love The Sims, but I feel like EA/Maxis needs to level with us about why TS4 is built this way.
This woman needs to get her act together...
Me watching GT at Gamescom.
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