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FlyingPotato659
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It was probably so easy for EA to remove all those features from the sims 4 as there is no other game like the sims which makes people spend on the game no matter what features are removed.
If only there was a competitor, I have that feeling that the sims would have been a better game as they would be trying to grab an entire fan base away from the competitor.
If there was a game just like the sims, would you buy that company's game or stick with EA?
If only there was a competitor, I have that feeling that the sims would have been a better game as they would be trying to grab an entire fan base away from the competitor.
If there was a game just like the sims, would you buy that company's game or stick with EA?
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Still holding out for Parodox!
And like it or not, not every developer and publisher is glamoring to inherit a fanbase like the one the Sims has. The investment needed to be on-par and go beyond for a group of people that sooner crap on you than anything else is not something you can pitch to a publisher willing to fund up front easy.
The risk is too high and the reward too much chasing the needle.
What's to say they couldn't make a better Sims game than Maxis/EA? Paradox already listens to their fans more than EAxis does.
Pricefield forever.
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Yes I would but I'd still buy EA s Sims Product. I like variety so I'd play both EA s Sims game and the competitor
'The underdeveloped cash-grabs trying to ride the wave'....you mean like the understudy that is known as TS4?
It's hard to classify TS4 as a cash-grab, seeing as we have and own alternatives made by the same people. It's also quite hard for a company to compete with itself.
Had I never shown my friend TS3, she would have enjoyed TS4 and not bother asking for the older games as she would expect TS4 to mean 'better as what came before'. She's also not robbed had she stepped in at TS4, as the same rule of ignorance applies. She would enjoy TS4 for what it is and not feel robbed.
We're not robbed too. Not of anything. To us, consumer responsibility applies first and foremost. Those of us who pre-ordered and or bought on zero-day can only blame ourselves for not waiting for reviews and professional verdict. We know that we should've done that, but we didn't. Maxis could've done much better, I agree to that step by step, no argument. The decision to buy as soon as we could (I bought the game a year in advance), was on us. 'I trusted Maxis' is just a weak excuse to not have to own up and admit that a mistake was made.
So no. TS4 is not a cynical cash in.
The segment of the gaming population that streams their games on YouTube is quite small. I wouldn't say the lack of YouTube channels playing Cities: Skylines has anything to do with anything.
If Paradox developed a lifesim it would more than likely be thoughtfully executed. We've already seen that a smaller studio can deliver a better city simulator than Maxis, why would that be any different for a life simulator?
If EA had a competition we would have seen better things.
As which side I will be, I will be with the side that invests my money better.
You know that's not true. If Skylines indeed was the second coming, youtubers would still play it, especially the youtubers that specialise their channel. Instead, they return to older strategy games time after time. Paradox has expertly used the youtube and twitch community to advertize their game, but once that died down so did the game.
Other point in case: Pillars of Eternity. Oh! What a great game it was! Just the way all RPGers want it. It was the game they deserve. There's not one youtube playthrough of it still alive.
Skylines was not nothing but hype, playing on the fact that everybody wanted to take revenge on EA. The game itself is the most bland city-builder ever, handicapped by the fact that traffic is bugged and never addressed. I do hope that Paradox never attempts a Sims game.
why should one expect better for TheSims ?
previously, months ago i also would have said that competition to TheSims would have made better TS4 but meantime i don't believe it anymore
the devs have things in mind which turn the future of the franchise against the roots of its own success
& they have even managed to turn the fan base against each other, bravo
i am always looking for games that have something in common with TheSims franchise
i would be surely one of the first buying from a competitor
EA had in me a trusting & faithfull customer & has done everything to loose my trust, with TS4 forever
i will nevermore preorder a game by EA, they can call themselves lucky if i buy anything at all
But only when they would put their love and hard work in the game, and they genuinely wanted to make a game like that, for people to actually enjoy.
I feel like sims 4 doesnt have much of that..
Just hope that one kids hero was/is Will Wright, and we shall be good
"You can't agree to disagree, because they're frigging wrong!"
How does the fact that there are prequels to The Sims 4, mean 4 is not a cash grab? Really confused, your argument is not logical.
Farmville 2 is still a cash grab even though there is a Farmville 1. Psychology dictates that the majority always want something new and shiny. That's why companies make sequels.
You say it is hard for companies to compete with themselves, but no one is saying that is the case.
You say consumer responsibility applies first, but there are people out there who do not use social media, they do not read reviews, and they do not come to the forums. These people have played The Sims games for years, so when 4 was released, logically expected it to be similar to its immediate predecessor. You do realise that not everyone lives their lives on The Internet. Many people barely use it, you know.
Also there is a reason there is a number 4 in the title of The Sims 4; they are using the reputation of the previous games, to sell the latest one. People expect sequels to offer at least as much content as the immediate predecessor as it is the industry norm.
This is not the case with 4, hence it being called a cash grab. To be fair, 3's store was a major cash grab, but at least the colour wheel, and Create a Pattern allowed people to customise.
You mention the rule of ignorance, but that does not apply, and is insulting to fans of this series that have been here since the beginning. We know what is missing, we know corners have been cut, just because newcomers do not know this does not mean it is not an issue and a disgrace.
Many people read the reviews, but still bought the game because they trusted Maxis as they have had years upon years of enjoyment from their previous games, so they gave them the benefit of the doubt. This is called customer loyalty, something that businesses strive to have. Loyal customers keep coming back for more. Maxis relied on this with The Sims 4. Maxis took advantage of this, and they, and they alone should be held responsible.
You name one bug and that is the reason why Paradox should not make a sims-like game. I'll give you a list of bugs in 4 that are still here AFTER ALMOST ONE YEAR since release:
Incest
Indiscriminate culling
Lighting problems
Sims not reacting to other sims
Save files disappearing
Maids not working
Crashes
Musical chairs
And these are just a few of them, there are many more.
If people stop coming here complaining, if people stop telling Maxis what is wrong with 4, that we will not accept a half-baked product, I hope you will enjoy how bare The Sims 5 will be!
Social Media was last the year the single most used form of information gathering by people in the street, including but not limited by, isolated tribes of indigneous people in the brazilian rainforest. I do appreciate you breaking a lance for the less media inclined simmer, but declaring TS4 a cashgrab because someone doesn't use facebook or whatever is not a good argument.
It's not a cashgrab because the older games exist. Cashgrabs happens by people cashing on a popular product. TS4 is the next installment in a franchise. It fell short of expectations, but that doesn't make it a cashgrab. Also the fact that stuff that should logically have been there has been patched in for free disqualifies TS4 as a cashgrab. I would agree if you had to pay for the dishwasher. But you didn't. You got it for free in a patch.
And yes, consumer responsibility is a huge part of it. I have never made it a secret that I pre-ordered the game as soon as I was able to do so, even before the pre-order bonuses were decided on. Pre-order now, bonuses TBA. All we knew were the eyes of the Sims at the time. And that's why TS4 isn't a cashgrab. I was the one who didn't wait, I was the one who didn't gather information. I was the one who went 'Shut up and take my money.' I might not be entirely happy with the game as is, but in all honesty I'm not in a position to complain and with me everybody else who pre-ordered for the USB-plumbob or bought the game on zero-day, basically sight unseen.
It's our mistake, and nobody elses. We were not robbed, we robbed ourselves. People should really learn to take some responsibility for their actions. Seriously.
Paradox should not make the Sims because they're 24man strong and rely on modders to finish the game and to sort out the bugs. If Paradox would code another Sims, you'll probably be waiting a year or two longer before you get a relatively bug free game. If they do it, most of the hype would be akin to the hype for Skyline: Grudgebearing gamers taking 'revenge' on EA.
And who then defend the game from here to eternity rather than to admit that they just bought the next illusion.
Seriously though, competition could be good.
What!! Paradox rely on modders to finish their game? I can not believe you have said that!
Maxis relied on Twallan mods to make The Sims 3 actually playable!