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The lack of Gender Equality in Sims 4.
Karon
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When I started playing The Sims, the game was called a “Life Simulation”, but Sims 4 makes it look like a doll house game.
I came through this topic to illuminate a fact that has been irritating me over the years. For each SP, GP and EP the male sims receive much less content than the female sims. As an example, there are almost 170 hairs for women, while for men there are at most 95 hairstyles. And I'm not even going to waste my time counting each piece of clothing, when you just have to visualize the CAS to see a huge gap between them. Why Male Sims have less clothing and hairstyle then the Female Sims, and how the producers can fix that?
Probably most of the simmers are women, but that doesnt mean they are only going to play with female characters. I am myself a man and i play with male, female and non-binary sims all the time. The fact that i am a man doesnt limite me to enjoy playing only with sims of my gender, but i miss being able to recreate myself in the game. What is the phrase I read between these lines? Because I am a man, i am not allowed to care for my appearence? I am not able to find a hairstyle remotely similar to mine in the game. And what about the beards? If we get one each year, its too much!
Every male clothing piece look way to similar and I can see why. Sims 4 producers seem to be focusing not only in getting fashion trends in the game for CAS, but the majority of the objects follow that same rule. Makes sense for the game to try and be time accurate to the real world, but man... My father has some pieces of clothing in his wardrobe from every single year that he has been alive, from the 60s to today. Every time i amo n the streets i can see man and women wearing clothes and hairstyles that doont match the modern fashion trends, but because they like them. And I miss that in the game.
Every premade sims in the game looks rich, modern, fashion and unrealisticly pretty. The Sims 4 producers are trying way to hard to make things follow the fashion trends, and its making everything artificial. Not only do women get maximum attention in the game, as children and other stages of life have much less even than men. Of course, it's no problem for a man to play with dolls, the problem here is the lack of representativeness and realism. Please, Sims 4 producers put content in the game that is in equity for not only both genres, but for all ages.
I came through this topic to illuminate a fact that has been irritating me over the years. For each SP, GP and EP the male sims receive much less content than the female sims. As an example, there are almost 170 hairs for women, while for men there are at most 95 hairstyles. And I'm not even going to waste my time counting each piece of clothing, when you just have to visualize the CAS to see a huge gap between them. Why Male Sims have less clothing and hairstyle then the Female Sims, and how the producers can fix that?
Probably most of the simmers are women, but that doesnt mean they are only going to play with female characters. I am myself a man and i play with male, female and non-binary sims all the time. The fact that i am a man doesnt limite me to enjoy playing only with sims of my gender, but i miss being able to recreate myself in the game. What is the phrase I read between these lines? Because I am a man, i am not allowed to care for my appearence? I am not able to find a hairstyle remotely similar to mine in the game. And what about the beards? If we get one each year, its too much!
Every male clothing piece look way to similar and I can see why. Sims 4 producers seem to be focusing not only in getting fashion trends in the game for CAS, but the majority of the objects follow that same rule. Makes sense for the game to try and be time accurate to the real world, but man... My father has some pieces of clothing in his wardrobe from every single year that he has been alive, from the 60s to today. Every time i amo n the streets i can see man and women wearing clothes and hairstyles that doont match the modern fashion trends, but because they like them. And I miss that in the game.
Every premade sims in the game looks rich, modern, fashion and unrealisticly pretty. The Sims 4 producers are trying way to hard to make things follow the fashion trends, and its making everything artificial. Not only do women get maximum attention in the game, as children and other stages of life have much less even than men. Of course, it's no problem for a man to play with dolls, the problem here is the lack of representativeness and realism. Please, Sims 4 producers put content in the game that is in equity for not only both genres, but for all ages.
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And I feel like my toddler and child Sims all look alike, because of the lack of options for them.
However do you know what Sims 4 did to address this issue? They made it possible, for the first time, for any Sim to wear any clothes or hairstyle, without mods. Just turn off the gender choice and your guys can wear all the formal dresses they like. Plus there are quite a few choices that say they're for women but look just fine on men.
As for having a problem with all the clothes looking 'fashionable'... Well, that's something of a subjective thing.
However I definitely agree that there needs to be a lot more focus on catching up with more clothes for children and toddlers.
Here's a guy in a 'womens' top, wit a 'female' hairstyle and necklace
Here's a scary vampire king... completely in 'female' attire.
Womens clothing (and hair, and makeup), or goth guy clubwear?
Womens clothing, or hipster guy?
... I use that pose too much
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I don't know most of it except the top one looks like just cross dressing, I kind of want more traditionally masculine looking styles for men and women to use. It's mostly the tops I think that don't work well, most of them are a little to clearly made to accommodate a lager bust I find.
I like the goth guys pants and boots a lot, and I really like the top guy for using womens clothing.
They all look good by the way, just not the look I'm thinking of when I think we need more mens clothing options
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As someone who refuses to use CC and mods, I go a little more insane with envy every time I see CC toddler hair that's a miniature version of an adult hairstyle.
My manly man would not be wearing it. How about more options for males, and for those males who don't want to wear female clothing. And how about more hairstyles of non preppy people. Look around there are a zillion hairsytles men have all around us, but we get a handful. Step out of LA and look at regular people working in a factory, or digging a ditch, or top of a telephone pole, or on a scaffle on top of thirty story building...more hairstyles are needed. (By regular people I mean those guys who don't see a hairstylest).
Oh well its not that big of a problem?
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The lack of clothes and hair for males makes me so angry.
The new packs didn't even give facial hair or shoes.
I have more cc clothes, hair than the game itself has.
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Not saying it's good, because it's not. Just that fashion for men in general is so dull. There are only so many ways to wear a blazer over a t-shirt. That said, having an equal amount to choose from between the 'male' and 'female' options would be nice, but I almost always tick off the gender options, anyway.
I just want fun clothing for males. Fun colors! Fun cuts and bold patterns!
Also...body hair! For all genders would be great. So great. I just. Need it.
I know it's made slightly less worse in TS4 thanks to the clothing having no gender boundaries now, but it mostly only helps with hair for me. Most of the female clothing is too feminine for the way I like to dress males.
Maybe you could try helping the devs figure out what kind of male clothing you'd like to see in game by posting pictures or suggestions?
Maybe they need to expand where they look for ideas? Maybe take a road trip across America and see what people do, wear and how their hair is combed. Maybe just watching a few sitcoms limits their views of what the rest of America is wearing.
IRL as a woman I'm the same. Individuals may have preferred styles but as a whole I think there is a wide range between individuals. There was a really good thread a while back in feedback that @LeGardePourpre started.
I play with non-binary sims since the update came out, but, as someone said, some of the clothes, specially shirts and tops, look weird as they were made for sims with breasts. I am gay (and even if i wasnt) i like to use some feminine clothing, but in real life i can choose to buy those that dont look weird in my body.
And, sometimes i jsut want to play with a more masculine sim, or a common straight guy, or a fashion male model... But there is not a big variety of clothing.
Well, thanks for your comment. I was going to suggest some things, but i thought that it would get to big,
1 - Maybe they can start looking at what they designed in previous games. Even Sims 1 can give them some inspiration.
2 - Someone suggested that the devs should do a road trip throughout the USA, but i suggest that they look not only in America, since Sims is played throughout the entire globe. Look at how the kpop artists wear, or french guys, or african guys... There is a world for them to take inspiration.
3 - They should travel not only trough space, but trough time too. I still have clothes from the early 2000s (even tho i am not a kid anymore, i didnt grew that much after teenagehood lol), as i mentioned my father have clothes from 90s, 80s, 70s, 60s... And if you look really deep into bazaars and things like that, you can find clothes from even further, although they are more rare.
I am in a hurry now, so i cant link pictures or write a extensive list, so... What do you guys want, but dont have in the game? Post pictures and clothes, links from instagram accounts and things like that in the @LeGardePoupre s thread Thanks again!