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Request: A "Faithful" Trait or as basegame behavior
TOLKIEN
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Based/inspired from my topic in general discussion about how EASY it easy for married sims to be seduced/cheat called "Married Sims too easy to woohoo aka Bella Goth sure gets around /w pics!"
Currently relationships don't really seem to mean much for Sims (besides heartbreak) and the issue/problem is its ALL too easy to seduce a significant other. While true there is consequences for cheaters, there's nothing preventing them from doing so (it should take more then just clicking comedy, comedy, flirt, ect)
So I would LOVE to see a faithful trait or faithful behavior as base code for happily married sims, that not only makes seduction of partnered sims much harder to do (maybe requires the sim to be in a negative/bad relationship status to be open to romance interactions from others) but also give BUFFS when a partner witnesses their spouse/gf, ect REBUFF another sims advances - which is something this trait increases (rejection) based on the fact their in a relationship.
Otherwise honestly relationships don't seem to mean more to sims then status updates on their relationship panel, that may or may not result in jealousy (with or without that trait). I feel a faithful trait would do a lot to improve on this.
Currently relationships don't really seem to mean much for Sims (besides heartbreak) and the issue/problem is its ALL too easy to seduce a significant other. While true there is consequences for cheaters, there's nothing preventing them from doing so (it should take more then just clicking comedy, comedy, flirt, ect)
So I would LOVE to see a faithful trait or faithful behavior as base code for happily married sims, that not only makes seduction of partnered sims much harder to do (maybe requires the sim to be in a negative/bad relationship status to be open to romance interactions from others) but also give BUFFS when a partner witnesses their spouse/gf, ect REBUFF another sims advances - which is something this trait increases (rejection) based on the fact their in a relationship.
Otherwise honestly relationships don't seem to mean more to sims then status updates on their relationship panel, that may or may not result in jealousy (with or without that trait). I feel a faithful trait would do a lot to improve on this.
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They should make it so that any sim in a formal relationship (bf/gf, promised, engaged, married - perhaps even recent widows still mourning) is faithful and always declines advances outside of that relationship unless any of the following conditions are met:
- The committed sim inititates the romantic action, or has initiated romantic actions with that sim since they became committed elsewhere (so they won't just jump back in bed with exes unless they approached them again after they met their current partner).
- The committed sim has the Player trait (and is therefore known for their affairs)
- The committed sim has a better relationship (friendly AND romantic) with the initiator than with their partner.
Sims in casual relationships or no relationship wouldn't be affected and any sims in bad relationships have a way out if approached by someone else they could love instead.I think that covers most sims, unless I missed anything?
If they do decide to release a faithful trait for the game. I know the perfect Pack to release that in. And that's the love themed pack that was brought up on here about a week or so ago.
I do really like your ideas, and that should be the way relationships work.
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This however would NOT be an easy mod to make, because unlike other traits it needs to re-program sims in a much more complicated way that honestly makes more sense for basecode "behavior" then a trait (I agree)
So would I PREFER that its base game behavior? ABSOLUTELY! Do I think Maxis is willing to spend the time and resources to reprogram it as such? Possibly...
Either way I'd like to see it improved and I've updated my topic post to reflect that.
Maybe it's a bug within your games? Either that, or I've been super lucky.
Well I do find overall its basically impossible to do anything with sims who are angry or sad overall though and I don't really want to keep my sims mad/sad all the time just to keep them faithful lol.
^^^ I want this! Exactly like this!
I don't want to have to waste a trait slot on faithfulness though. It should be coded into the relationship system.
I've yet to meet a sim who I can't seduce easily. It gets really easy once you get a sense of what combinations to do. Flirt is the baseline, then you can mix it with a friendly interaction (as in, Flirt/Friendly, Flirt/Friendly) until you're high enough for First Kiss. The mixing is so that neither sim gets the Bored moodlet due to repetition. You can also mix in a Compliment Appearance or two if your sim has a lot going for them (high flirty, high charisma, etc.). You can have a sim rejecting you one moment and have them eating out of the palm of your hand the next.
I think the best way to program a Faithful trait would be something like this: Sim Joe has the Faithful trait and is in a relationship with Sim Jane. Under the interaction bar, Jane is the only sim that Joe can do romantic interactions with, attempted or otherwise. Any sims that socialize with Joe, unless that sim is Jane, simply won't have the romance bar available (in much the same way that it works for age differences).
This way it's guaranteed, as opposed to something cheap and silly like a higher chance of rejection (I think from what I've said above, it should be obvious why percentage changes wouldn't even slow down a determined player). Keep in mind, in this hypothetical, Sim Jane would still be able to cheat as long as she doesn't have the trait herself. It's just Sim Joe wouldn't be able to.
explanation of what's happening in the background is here: http://down-in-simsland.tumblr.com/post/137175553410/you-cant-hurry-love-no-more-random-friendships
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OMG (as the kids used to say), I think you are right!! Don doesn't flirt with Sims unless they are super flirty. He likes Bella, and the Calliente women, but not my other Sims. This makes so much sense. So, if I don't want my sims flirting, I should just have them use the "fear of commitment" trait.
But it has always been this way since 2001. You could make any Sim eventually have a relationship with any Sim. So, this outrage about Sims having liked someone else while they were off playing other Sims is sort of confusing to me. It's been that way for Fifteen years. I don't recall much outrage about in TS1, TS2 or TS3. But only one post request over at TS3 to request a faithful trait. In TSM it's a chivalrous trait but they can still get involved if forced but feel guilty with a bad debuff/moodlet.
ETA: No outrage in TS2 when you would rotate back to the household and find out someone felt guilty (memory) they had an affair because they flirted. No one made posts after posts demanding the Sims stop doing that while they were gone. I think this time it is directly related to the romance bar and not the actual fact Sims have been doing this for fifteen years.
I didn't like it then and I don't like it now. The difference between the two games is that TS2 sims often developed a fear of being caught - and their children feared divorce. The player decided whether or not to realize those fears. There are no consequences in Sims 4.
But these relationships in TS4 aren't real. I have literally had to introduce the Sim who had a pink bar with another Sim. It's just a false/positive thing. And I think if we didn't have the romance bar we wouldn't even notice they were involved with someone else or whatever. I think it's an emotional reaction to a bar saying they are interested in someone else rather than truth they are. Because in TS2 you would see them out actually flirting and or singing or whatever to another Sim. That hasn't been my experience in TS4 if they had a somewhat of a pink bar. It's was simply information and sometimes they hadn't even met that Sim, yet.
Whats the love birds bug?