Forum Announcement, Click Here to Read More From EA_Cade.
What Is Wrong With Romance In This Game?
Cinebar
Posts: 33,618 Member
Seriously, I can't seem to get two Sim to like each other while out on public lots. Examples are all my Sims and or townies. I play rotational. So, I decided one business owner would spice it up with another of my Sims who came to her store often. It was very painstaking to say the least.
So, I switched to him so he could ask her on a date, again, slow going. Took her to some clubs etc. Finally they got some sort of relationship well enough to have first kiss out in public at one of Maxis clubs. Maybe, more flirting, more intimate conversations. Great....finally.
I made him invite her over since they were 'love birds', he met her at the door with a kiss. Bam. Over, romance was over. She was annoyed their relationship bars took a big hit, He threw her out. lol Fickle much?
O.K. another scenario, I had another female as doctor who worked with one of my other male Sims in game. Great, they get along well, let's see if I can get them together. This one worked much better, they were friends in no time. Out of the blue (not really but coded that way) he came to her house to visit. Great, I decided I would build up their romantic relationship. (Trying to do all this without any emitters in the homes or clubs etc.)
It worked, they are in love, and 'sweethearts' in the relationship panel.
O.K. that one was go, the other one with the other male was not.
Fine more testing. She saw both them at the grocery store. Time to cause some chaos. So, she flirted with the other male who is her boyfriend's best friend. He got a sad look, and walked off. His friend did become 'romantically interested' but just a bit. Then he refused anymore advances.
What? It was o.k. to flirt with you in front of your best friend to let him see what a cad she was? But as soon as he walks off, you decide you don't want anymore advances? Classic. And he was there with the girl which had turned him down for a kiss at his house, who were so supposed to be in love. They are now out in public all over when I don't play either of them. But If I play either one, they get all fussy about a kiss, etc.
Confessing attraction always winds up backfiring.
So, I decided I would make a female who would snag that one Sim who would not get into any relationship since the other one got upset he flirted though she loved him.
Doesn't work. I send her to a nightclub I built nightly (party animal) just to see if I can do this like we did this in TS2, playing both roles, from different households. She can flirt with the Sims, can say all sorts of things, but then it just goes too far and they loose all interests.
It's annoying. They can all be flirty from the room, or whatever, but as far as building relationships without moving Sims in together and playing both of them imho, is almost impossible in this game, and way too time consuming.
So, I switched to him so he could ask her on a date, again, slow going. Took her to some clubs etc. Finally they got some sort of relationship well enough to have first kiss out in public at one of Maxis clubs. Maybe, more flirting, more intimate conversations. Great....finally.
I made him invite her over since they were 'love birds', he met her at the door with a kiss. Bam. Over, romance was over. She was annoyed their relationship bars took a big hit, He threw her out. lol Fickle much?
O.K. another scenario, I had another female as doctor who worked with one of my other male Sims in game. Great, they get along well, let's see if I can get them together. This one worked much better, they were friends in no time. Out of the blue (not really but coded that way) he came to her house to visit. Great, I decided I would build up their romantic relationship. (Trying to do all this without any emitters in the homes or clubs etc.)
It worked, they are in love, and 'sweethearts' in the relationship panel.
O.K. that one was go, the other one with the other male was not.
Fine more testing. She saw both them at the grocery store. Time to cause some chaos. So, she flirted with the other male who is her boyfriend's best friend. He got a sad look, and walked off. His friend did become 'romantically interested' but just a bit. Then he refused anymore advances.
What? It was o.k. to flirt with you in front of your best friend to let him see what a cad she was? But as soon as he walks off, you decide you don't want anymore advances? Classic. And he was there with the girl which had turned him down for a kiss at his house, who were so supposed to be in love. They are now out in public all over when I don't play either of them. But If I play either one, they get all fussy about a kiss, etc.
Confessing attraction always winds up backfiring.
So, I decided I would make a female who would snag that one Sim who would not get into any relationship since the other one got upset he flirted though she loved him.
Doesn't work. I send her to a nightclub I built nightly (party animal) just to see if I can do this like we did this in TS2, playing both roles, from different households. She can flirt with the Sims, can say all sorts of things, but then it just goes too far and they loose all interests.
It's annoying. They can all be flirty from the room, or whatever, but as far as building relationships without moving Sims in together and playing both of them imho, is almost impossible in this game, and way too time consuming.
"Games Are Not The Place To Tell Stories, Games Are Meant To Let People Tell Their Own Stories"...Will Wright.
16
Comments
Me, not so much. I have given up with romancing with the NPCs altogether. If I want my sims to mate (yes, mate!) with another, I move them in and spam interactions. I couldn't even be bothered with the weddings, etc. Romance is dead in TS4. For me, at least!
I agree it is dead. It was so much fun in the TS2 because of the attraction system. I know an EP add on, but at least it worked. It used to be fun to go out and find your future spouse. Not so in this game, even my own Sims hate each other, are fickle, will accept some flirting, but not much, and there is no rhyme or reason they get along with one over the other. I can't even get Sims together if they are townies, at all.
One Sim keeps coming to the club, and thought o.k. I will actually move him in with one of my females to see how it works. Great his not even in the pool of Sims not in world. He doesn't really exist. lol I wondered why I couldn't ask him a lot questions, though they are friend in his pie menu I can't ask him his career (it's not there) and other sort of questions. I don't want to move in an insane Sim. lol
I finally just gave up and had her get in fights instead, lol, because one of the potential townies looked interesting but turned out to be evil and started saying and slinging drinks. Fine, I just had her beat the evil out of him. That was a lot more fun than trying to get her a romance. lol
ETA: And it is all one sided. TS2 isn't built that way and why it is more interesting with romantic interactions. Because the other Sim we aren't playing actually makes advances. In this game it's all up to us. That's a lot of work with nothing to work with, imho.
To add, I avoid sending sims on dates because for some reason the second they start flirting, everyone and their mother at the park decides that it's PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE to infiltrate their alone time to have an extended conversation about grilled cheese sandwiches and llamas.
I can build two sims to the proposal stage within 1-2 sim-days before moving them in together. It's easy. One thing I learned is never flirt right of the bat if you go over that one day. Get the other sim comfortable first, then throw on the love. If they're not compatible, I run into the same scenario as you, and I generally wind up regretting getting them together. Right now, my one poor sim that I pushed it on because he was having the same issue it sounds like you're running into is trying to kill his wife. She's the biggest mistake he ever made.
As for the confess attraction: yeah. It always backfires. It never works for me.
basically
greetings
ask to know about
throw another random speak
flirt
ask if single
flirt
flirt
flirt
if the desired sim enter in flirt mood, romantic huge
flirt
hand in face
romantic huge
woohoo or try for baby
then you get one
if you have any trouble in any step just take the target sim to a place "with good decoration then everything will work fine.
if you want more romance and not so empty
greeting
know about
ask if single
any random friendly chat
flirt
flirt
romantic huge
flirt
hand on face
kis
kiss
kiss
flirt
passionate kiss(if in flirt mood)
another passionate kiss
then whoo hoo or make babies.
none that 2 never failed to me, i aways could get at last one sim per day with that.
now if you want more deep romance then sorry sims 4 don't know the means of "deep romance" or even maybe romance.
Here's my formula. Once you got your sim to the bare minimum friendship level with an NPC you do this interaction: flirt, flirt, flirt, compliment appearance, flirt, blow kiss. If and only if blow kiss was accepted you move onto the following, otherwise, you go back to step 1. Embrace, have first kiss, (confess attraction..if you want. it's not necessary) woohoo/ask to be bf or gf/propose/marry.
Don't do it in person.
Chat online, text, call them before 11 pm until they are friends or good friends. It does not take that long.
Acquire writing skill level 2 (I think) and write love letters. My Sim sent a love letter after every book she wrote and they became soul mates in 3 days.
She works and has a garden so using the computer and phone was faster. She met him on Tue. and by Sat when she invited him over the option to be best friends was showing up along with first kiss and ask to be boyfriend and then propose right after that. They were married within a few short hours. Even after they were married and he moved in she still has the option to send him love letters.
It goes so much smoother to use the phone and computer. No emotions or moods to deal with. Your Sim can chat online with their love interest at any time during the night. The only time the chat option does not show up is during the love interest's work hours. The send a love letter works anytime (there is cool down of an hour or two) and this really works well/fast after they are friends. Your Sim can send love letters between other actions. Paint or write then send a love letter. Cook and eat breakfast then send a love letter before rushing off to work.
I have done several relationships this way and is perfect for the player aspiration or any budding relationship. The Sim can build one or several relationships at once anytime after the initial introduction by chatting online. Even negative relations can turn around quickly by chatting on the computer. The ability to write love letters really boosts the romance bar.
he's got his grades cause he woohood the teachers
he woohood with every sim passing by his house
as far i remember he had a deeper romance with another male sim, who was even more notoriously uncommital & with that sim he wished all of the sudden for a child & well, i made it possible ... he had then a daughter & had to care for her ... with the help of a maid who kept his diagonal red designer house clean because he was rich but lazy ... that was a great character, i played even further with the daughter & her boyfriend also at the university ... great fun
& now TS4
i am unable to get those sims to behave within one line, their preferences & dislikes are just all over the place especially if it comes to relationships
nothing comes out of it, nothing but boredom
unfortunately couldn't aggree more ... the more played the more of the same there is
as TS4 was new i never ever imagined that EA can release a game in 2015 which is so shallow, so repeating in everything with so little variance & options,
it took me several months to realise it & further months to stomach it
Anyway, tried it with another Sim. This time as a new female, another of my own Sims. Saw him at a club because of the crazy, nosy Sims in this game I had to make her ask him on a date, which kept falling out of queue because of their 'group talks' Couldn't even 'call him over' to the other side of the room without Sims sticking their nose in everyone's business. It was a busy place.
Couldn't even get them to 'dance together' like in the old days, since no slow dance, and they don't even face each other but may go sit way across the room but still be talking to that Sim and everyone else in the room. Even our own Sims do that as we 'try' to control them.
Finally got them together and asked him to be her boyfriend which somehow being old fashioned just felt weird.
No where to do the deed there. So, ended their 'date'. So, I guess the only place to 'woohoo' in this game is at your own home? Or their home?
The more I play the game and try to play out things like we used to could do the more I find there is so much more missing. Like now he's her boyfriend. Does he care or notice her in the grocery store? lol...No, they are all too busy talking about nothing. Would it matter if she ran over to caress his face, No, because of No real memory, they couldn't care less, and would then just turn to talk to someone else who doesn't matter.
I really hope they sit down one day and actually play this game then go play the TS2 and do everything people complain about to see the differences in why romance was a nice bonus in their game, and though many new interactions have been added it's darn annoying to try to make them do them when half the town is in the way, and drops out of queue because of their OCD to go speak to someone else when social is full and no whim is controlling them. And or no where to take that special someone to woohoo if a player wanted to do that, and can't even invite back to your Sim's house. It's more like romance is also just an after thought.
@Cinebar your "nowhere to do the deed" comment sparked an "observatory" idea... if there's room on the lot, plop one of those down and have them woohoo there. Any other objects like that? Or just put a bed in one of the bathrooms (I know, right? LOL) if you have to.
Just workarounds... I've said before, are we playing this game, or is it playing us? Jury's still out.
https://deaderpool-mccc.com/
https://www.patreon.com/egwarhammer
https://twitter.com/eg4mccc
https://eg4mccc.tumblr.com/
^ Yes, this.
I find the romance to be stunningly easy. If a Sim has the romantic (and maybe alluring), it is game over for the receiving Sim whether they are part of a household or a townie.
If you want a guarantee, then before the process quoted above, get two Sims to watch romance on TV or listen to romance radio - the steps above will be cut dramatically.
Once two Sims are flirty, you don't even have to interfere, they will build up to full romance all by themselves.
Shake dreams from your hair
My pretty child, my sweet one.
Choose the day and choose the sign of your day
The day's divinity....
The Ghost Song - Jim Morrison
everyone is happy to be being manipulated by you, this is the happyland.
@Cinebar basically sims 4 romance is just a spam of flirt until you get in flirt mood if you manage to get it in beginner this will cut drastically the numbers of flirt but this is how work romance in sims 4:
flirt
flirt
flirt
try for baby
forget the sim go for the next
flirt
flirt
flirt
try for baby
forget the sim go for next.
this game dont give any sort of punishiment for being a scumb asss, you can be the worse which everyone will be happy and aways will love you no matter how you hard try to be evil which even to a sim be evil is hard since the autonomous ai is not adjusted to be evil and make you be good most of the times.
if a gamer, a player, a simmer or whatever you want be called is looking for a game simulation stick with sims 1, 2 or 3, now if you look for a killing time childsh game with quality even low than many smartphone or android top games then play sims 4.
ROFL, yeah, I guess I could remodel that desert bar and add a bed. Isn't that ridiculous? It's easier to get Sims romantically involved while on an actual 'date' if you ignore all it's chore list, but then the game tells you they can't leave. O.k...I guess woohoo is out of the question. Can't play out my trampy tramp. Sandbox really suffers in this game.
Torn between Like and LOL so I went with the safe bet... love it!
You're making me miss Sims2, @Cinebar ... I may just have to dust it off this week while I'm off. After I find that 10th egg!
https://deaderpool-mccc.com/
https://www.patreon.com/egwarhammer
https://twitter.com/eg4mccc
https://eg4mccc.tumblr.com/
Yes, I do realize flirty and very flirty are needed to make it go much easier and faster. However, I said I tried this without emitters in a public place. One, things drop out of queue, the other Sims aren't that receptive even when flirty in the conversation box overhead. Your Sim may get a bored moodlet even talking to a flirty Sim. So, you can't really make them do these things unless you really manipulate them with romance TV or romance books or emitters etc. I wanted to see how easy it would be between of two sets of couples living in different households. Two males in one and two females in the other. I tried to make this happen in a nightclub where many relationships really form, but it was not that easy. Because when you try to get them to dance together for one thing, you don't know if they are or not, since they are dancing with everyone. Another thing when you try to make them say romantic things to another Sim in a full bar you don't see it happen because it falls out of queue as your own Sim drops it to talk to others in the group or just 'chats' with the Sim you wanted them to say something to about romance. Group talks and this dancing together but not dancing together is also a hinder when trying to get two strangers together in a public place.
But was possible in the TS2 a lot easier because of the attraction system but you ran the risk if the other lovers were there you were going to start a fight if they came into the same room. We can't even leave the lot while on a date in the TS4. Sandbox, should have been their first thought concerning this, too. And making sure the player can see their Sim is speaking to a particular Sim and not everyone. Because flirty can cause all speaking to get flirty with one another. It has a blanket effect sometimes.
Awesome lot... I may go find it again, I haven't used the gallery since MOO. I replace the WC park with it.
Just a thought... hope it helps!
https://deaderpool-mccc.com/
https://www.patreon.com/egwarhammer
https://twitter.com/eg4mccc
https://eg4mccc.tumblr.com/
That may be too big a lot. But I will have to find a better 'nightclub' which makes them come running up the street to attend. lol That was a first in this game. Once I built a small one, which I had designed to be a restaurant if we ever get one, changed to night club. The Sims in TS4 ran up the street to get there, unlike 'bar' tag. That was funny to see, each night I sent Sims there to find a partner. lol, and the Sims in this game came running to a night club. I was shocked by that. I don't see that when it says bar.