LOL spoke too soon. After being out of TS4 (playing) for two years and had removed TS4, saves etc. and Origin, I went to reintall it. Guess what same old song and dance. Argh. It took 30 mins to install a fresh, new Origin which was only a 250MB file and with fast connection. It took hours and hours to reinstall my base and packs (all day) with a fast connection and noting else connected. That QT webhelper makes things worse not better. Then guess what, same old song and dance, I went to load the game, couldn't play because Origin said I was connected to internet. I had just been on internet all day. It wouldn't let me get on to do whatever it is that it does. Did a bunch of plum to work around that, and guess what, by that time I was like no thank you, I decided in 2017 I don't love TS4 that much to put up with this sort of stuff, (I might love TS2 that much to put up with a that but not as much anymore) and so Nope, rage quit again and not buying the new pack, either.