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    Jes2GJes2G Posts: 13,032 Member
    Haha I respectfully disagree with both of you, @Jes2G and @pammiechick . I think my characters in both stories acted in character. Luc wrote his will before their falling out, and didn't think to change it. Joce wanted to honor his wishes :) (and D2D Lucas did not want to wait for a ghost for forever haha)

    That explanation did actually work and I agree they were within character. But, if you remember, I was already ruined by then for reasons not up for public discussion. ;)
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    CitizenErased14CitizenErased14 Posts: 12,187 Member
    @WitcHazard your predictions were so evil! You're learning ;):tongue: Hehehe

    And true! The scar and the naivety and the pout are a good combo :joy:

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    That pout has aged well, hasn't it? :joy:
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    Jes2GJes2G Posts: 13,032 Member
    edited March 2017
    Oh...you DO have good reasons, but I felt cheated, like you lead me down a path and slammed the door in my face. :lol: But I expect it now so I won't ever get invested like that again. Having Marklyn not work out with nooboos didn't annoy me that much since I prepared myself.

    Perhaps it's due to my love for surprises and mystery, but I actually enjoyed the sudden turn of events with them. But then again, I wasn't onboard that ship anyway even though I liked them lol. But, now of course I'm conflicted about them being together. Having them get together in the end anyway kinda ruined my nice ride down the road less traveled. It's kinda like driving on the highway and seeing a billboard that says, "Got Adventure? Exit 286." You get off on Exit 286, go through some scary woods, past grandma's house, have a few chats with the big bad wolf, sail seven seas, and slay some dragons, but at the end the road leads you back to the same highway you got off and you're like "Heeeey!" :D However, I do like both of them and am glad they finally got some happiness...buuuuuut, my eyes kinda narrow a bit when I see them LOL.
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    CitizenErased14CitizenErased14 Posts: 12,187 Member
    You can blame my hopeless romantic trait for that one, @Jes2G :joy:

    My original plan for Marklyne (since there's no harm in telling now haha) was wayyyyy more tragic :joy: They were going to never get back together, but also never 100% be "over" each other. They would have had a civil relationship because of Zayne, but with awkwardness and sexual tension abound.

    And then, when Mark grew old and passed away, Jocelyne would end up regretting never giving him a chance and getting back with him, because he was the true love of her life. Cue tragic music :joy:

    But even I, who am supposedly so evil according to everyone, didn't have the heart to go through with it :lol:

    Maybe I'll have better luck being truly evil to ships in future gens :tongue: We will see!
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    Simslover163Simslover163 Posts: 2,833 Member
    edited March 2017
    1. What did you think when we first learned that Zayne was going to be the heir? Were you disappointed that the heir was not Jocelyne's biological child? Has your original opinion changed at all since the start of this generation?
    I was disappointed that Joce's biological child wasn't the heir/heiress because I would love to see how the genetics carry out through the generations. However, this does add a nice twist to the story. I wished Joce and Mark could've tied the knot and have their first child become the heir or heiress.

    2. Zayne has grown and changed quite a bit (in both good and bad ways!) since we first met him as a grieving five-year-old (nearly 20 years ago now, in story time! :open_mouth:). How do you think the events of his childhood affected his teenage years/personality? How did the events of his teen years affect his YA years/YA personality?
    Definitely the time he lost his parents from the fire really scared him for life as he lost the connection to family. As a result, he wanted to grow fast. The result of this trauma allowed Zayne to become rebellious. Things would've been better had his parents been alive and remember to put out any burning cigarettes. In terms of his YA years, since we're focused on him and his sweetie pie, I feel like his teen years contribute to these years because it made him more worried about others since he doesn't want to be betrayed. Once Zayne has kids of his own, we'll see more effects of his teen years.

    3. What do you think Zayne's three traits might be? I have revealed two of them in the past in comment replies, but have not revealed the third (except to one or two people privately. If you're one of those people who know his third trait, don't tell! :smiley:). You can skip this one if you happen to know most of his traits already :tongue:
    I've seen him become mad unexpectedly, so he's definitely hot-headed. Given his ambition to become a chef, he's a foodie for sure! Given that he sometimes doesn't want to act like an adult, I'm guessing that the third trait is childish. What would be more fun than to be a kid, forget responsibilities, and play with toys and stuffed animals? Well, one of my characters in my city story is SUPER crazy about stuffed animals. In fact, he has three of them! I always get excited when I write his parts because it's full of cuteness and stuffed animals.

    4. Do you have any predictions for Zayne's future? Based on his personality, what kind of personal challenges do you think he may face in future story arcs? (Spoiler alert: The story will be BORING if everything stays as light and happy for him as it has been ;) So yes, conflict is coming. :tongue: But what kind? Guess away!)
    This is a CitizenErased14™ Production, where drama is heavy and light and happiness is rare. I'm guessing HoZay will break up at some point. Maybe Hope will reveal she's pregnant with someone's baby or his baby and she never told him. If Zayne were to decline the proposal for marriage, then Hope will definitely give him the boot. Maybe Eun will return and cause more trouble. Hmmmm. Victoria might come back and get revenge on Zayne. There's lot of possibilities, but I know his life is about to hit another sharp turn.

    5. Most readers (though not all!) tend to describe Zayne as being quite lovable, even in his worst moments. What is it about Zayne that you think makes him so likable, despite his many typical Rosebrook flaws? :tongue: Or, if you are not one of the readers who finds him lovable (that's okay too! Haha) which flaws in particular make him difficult for you to like?
    He's definitely loveable because of his naive nature. That's all I can say.
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    CitizenErased14CitizenErased14 Posts: 12,187 Member
    Ooh I like your guess of Childish for one of Zayne's traits, @Simslover163 ! I think that's a decent guess hahaha
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    pammiechickpammiechick Posts: 12,262 Member
    You can blame my hopeless romantic trait for that one, @Jes2G :joy:

    My original plan for Marklyne (since there's no harm in telling now haha) was wayyyyy more tragic :joy: They were going to never get back together, but also never 100% be "over" each other. They would have had a civil relationship because of Zayne, but with awkwardness and sexual tension abound.

    And then, when Mark grew old and passed away, Jocelyne would end up regretting never giving him a chance and getting back with him, because he was the true love of her life. Cue tragic music :joy:

    But even I, who am supposedly so evil according to everyone, didn't have the heart to go through with it :lol:

    Maybe I'll have better luck being truly evil to ships in future gens :tongue: We will see!

    Boy...am I glad we the readers won out in the end!! Lol!
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    AudreyFldAudreyFld Posts: 6,695 Member
    I never gave up on Marklyn. I'm with @pammiechick on this one. Very glad the readers won out. Jocelyn needed some happiness as did Mark.
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    Jes2GJes2G Posts: 13,032 Member
    You can blame my hopeless romantic trait for that one, @Jes2G :joy:

    My original plan for Marklyne (since there's no harm in telling now haha) was wayyyyy more tragic :joy: They were going to never get back together, but also never 100% be "over" each other. They would have had a civil relationship because of Zayne, but with awkwardness and sexual tension abound.

    And then, when Mark grew old and passed away, Jocelyne would end up regretting never giving him a chance and getting back with him, because he was the true love of her life. Cue tragic music :joy:

    But even I, who am supposedly so evil according to everyone, didn't have the heart to go through with it :lol:

    Maybe I'll have better luck being truly evil to ships in future gens :tongue: We will see!

    I would have enjoyed that LOL
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    CitizenErased14CitizenErased14 Posts: 12,187 Member
    @pammiechick @AudreyFld One small correction :tongue: The readers did not win out, my heart did :blush: I love all of you to death but I'd never change my story just to please you guys :tongue: If I did, it would already be different than it is now! Haha

    And @Jes2G you may be the only one who would have :tongue:
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    pammiechickpammiechick Posts: 12,262 Member
    @pammiechick @AudreyFld One small correction :tongue: The readers did not win out, my heart did :blush: I love all of you to death but I'd never change my story just to please you guys :tongue: If I did, it would already be different than it is now! Haha

    And @Jes2G you may be the only one who would have :tongue:

    LOL! Oh, I get that, truly...but we still won! ;) (Because you agreed with our sentiments even though you came to this conclusion on your own...)
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    chocischocis Posts: 186 Member


    1. What did you think when we first learned that Zayne was going to be the heir? Were you disappointed that the heir was not Jocelyne's biological child? Has your original opinion changed at all since the start of this generation?

    I was so devastated because of the dramatic circumstances that my memory is foggy. It is a great storyline and I don't really care about genetics in legacies that much. I think allowing adopted children to be heirs is beautiful/noble. Besides, Luc and Joce were twins so I think Zayne could pass as her biological son easily. That was my opinion in the beginning and it is my opinion now.

    2. Zayne has grown and changed quite a bit (in both good and bad ways!) since we first met him as a grieving five-year-old (nearly 20 years ago now, in story time! :open_mouth:). How do you think the events of his childhood affected his teenage years/personality? How did the events of his teen years affect his YA years/YA personality?

    Oh my, I can remember the heartache when he was wishing for his parents to come back at Christmas... Like I said, I like him being the heir, but maybe he would have been happier with Clara and Florian? He knew them, saw them almost every day. Jossie was a stranger, due to the nature of her relationship with Luc. So he was so overly eager to be independent because he had trouble connecting with her. And I agree he has idealised concept of parents in his mind. As to YA years... I think like he still doesn't feel like a real part of the family? He loves them and knows they love him too, but maybe he has a need to start a life and family that would finally be truly his? So in a way his teenage experience changes his way, but not his goal.

    3. What do you think Zayne's three traits might be? I have revealed two of them in the past in comment replies, but have not revealed the third (except to one or two people privately. If you're one of those people who know his third trait, don't tell! :smiley:). You can skip this one if you happen to know most of his traits already :tongue:

    I don't even know what the two revealed traits are. Was one of them hot-headed? And the second romantic? Anyway, my guess for the third is... ahhh, that's difficult. You're keeping this a secret so it's probably something shocking. Hm, what if all the family he wants is a wife/ girlfriend and no children? Because he either hates them or fears something would happen to him and they would have to go through what he did. But seeing how this Gen. is career-oriented, he could be ambitious, craving success and money.

    4. Do you have any predictions for Zayne's future? Based on his personality, what kind of personal challenges do you think he may face in future story arcs? (Spoiler alert: The story will be BORING if everything stays as light and happy for him as it has been ;) So yes, conflict is coming. :tongue: But what kind? Guess away!)

    He gets fired and can't find a job? His crime-involvment days aren't over? SOMETHING HAPPENS TO HOPE? I am right about the children thing and him and Hope break up because of it?

    5. Most readers (though not all!) tend to describe Zayne as being quite lovable, even in his worst moments. What is it about Zayne that you think makes him so likable, despite his many typical Rosebrook flaws? :tongue: Or, if you are not one of the readers who finds him lovable (that's okay too! Haha) which flaws in particular make him difficult for you to like?

    I like his resilience. He's gone through terrible trauma, but despite many mistakes, he's always been a good kid and now he's a decent young man. He doesn't wallow in self-pity, he's not an addict. He's vulnerable, but strong. Also, much as I love Rosebrooks and Zayne is a Rosebrook alright, he's different. Kind of offbeat maybe? Quieter, unprivileged. Not that previous heirs were snobs or anything ( Joyce had a hard time in the US and they all work hard), but because he doesn't live in this beautiful home and is very separate, it gives me the feeling he's more down-to-earth. And he's a rebel, lol. Love me some of that.

    @InfraGreen Wow, I've never looked at this that way, that Joyce treats him like a "replacement". It makes a lot of sense, very insightful.
    @pammiechick Do you mean you shipped Lucas and Evelyn in D2D? Sorry to butt in like that into a conversation, but I've never had the chance to discuss it with other readers and I feel so alone in my bitterness over them not ending up together :cry: Sorry, Citizen- you know I loved it :D
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    Marmalade27Marmalade27 Posts: 625 Member
    edited March 2017
    1. What did you think when we first learned that Zayne was going to be the heir? Were you disappointed that the heir was not Jocelyne's biological child? Has your original opinion changed at all since the start of this generation?

    Well, when Joce had the triplets with Elliott I knew the heir wouldn't be a Marklyne son. I was very disappointed about that because Mark was super handsome when he was young and I was hoping for a heir who looked like him! When I found out Zayne was the heir I thought it was such a clever twist and that he would be an interesting character because of the tragic loss of his parents! Now I've gotten over the fact that there never will be a Marklyne child. In fact, now I think it's actually refreshing to have a couple in the story who are deeply in love but don't have any biological children together. In real life and in SimLit there's a lot of pressure to have kids so I think it's great that you didn't cave into readers' pressure and make Joce and Mark have a kid together. I think not having a kid of their own made sense for them.

    2. Zayne has grown and changed quite a bit (in both good and bad ways!) since we first met him as a grieving five-year-old (nearly 20 years ago now, in story time! :open_mouth:). How do you think the events of his childhood affected his teenage years/personality? How did the events of his teen years affect his YA years/YA personality?

    I think the events of his teen years made him appreciate his family more. Initially, he just wanted to be independent and get away from them. Then he discovered that while having freedom was great, it came at a price and he actually kind of missed his family. Now I think he realizes how important spending time with his family is.

    3. What do you think Zayne's three traits might be? I have revealed two of them in the past in comment replies, but have not revealed the third (except to one or two people privately. If you're one of those people who know his third trait, don't tell! :smiley:). You can skip this one if you happen to know most of his traits already :tongue:

    I remember you mentioning that hot-headed was one of them before. I'm guessing another one is foodie since he loves cooking. I'm really not sure about the third one. Possibly outgoing or romantic?
    Do you randomly generate each character's traits or do you choose them yourself?

    4. Do you have any predictions for Zayne's future? Based on his personality, what kind of personal challenges do you think he may face in future story arcs? (Spoiler alert: The story will be BORING if everything stays as light and happy for him as it has been ;) So yes, conflict is coming. :tongue: But what kind? Guess away!)

    -Since Zayne is hot-headed and has a bad temper I think he might have a fight with Hope and end up saying something terrible that he will regret and driving her away. He has a difficult boss at work so he might snap at her someday and get fired.
    -Zayne uses his inheritance to open his own restaurant but it ends up being a failure and he loses all his money.
    -Hope becomes desperate for work and starts doing nude modeling or even escort work and Zayne finds out and breaks up with her.
    -Eun comes back and threatens Zayne and/or Hope.
    -Zayne wants kids but Hope doesn't because she thinks pregnancy will ruin her body and career.
    -One of Zayne's past hookups or girlfriends shows up and reveals that she had his kid.

    5. Most readers (though not all!) tend to describe Zayne as being quite lovable, even in his worst moments. What is it about Zayne that you think makes him so likable, despite his many typical Rosebrook flaws? :tongue: Or, if you are not one of the readers who finds him lovable (that's okay too! Haha) which flaws in particular make him difficult for you to like?

    He just has a cute innocent look. His smile is endearing to me. He's also naive (at least as a teen) because he was delivering DRUGS and didn't realize it until later!
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    pammiechickpammiechick Posts: 12,262 Member
    @chocis YES! I read it when Citizen heavily advertised it with the two main characters falling in love. I thought for sure they'd get together eventually but it never happened! I felt robbed...like I was promised something and it was taken away....it's nice to hear that someone else felt the same way. At the time, most people boarded Ship Melanie. I was never a fan.
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    chocischocis Posts: 186 Member
    @pammiechick I know what you mean. I feel so bad, because on a rational level I know Melanie was a great person, she gave Luck love and family Ev never could. And I cried when she died. But I can't fool my emotions and they wish Mel never showed up and that Luc and Ev were together. I appreciate the other kind of love they shared and the artistic value, but in my fantasies, he brings her back earlier or they make out when they both die. There, I said it.
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    InfraGreenInfraGreen Posts: 6,693 Member
    chocis wrote: »
    @pammiechick I know what you mean. I feel so bad, because on a rational level I know Melanie was a great person, she gave Luck love and family Ev never could. And I cried when she died. But I can't fool my emotions and they wish Mel never showed up and that Luc and Ev were together. I appreciate the other kind of love they shared and the artistic value, but in my fantasies, he brings her back earlier or they make out when they both die. There, I said it.

    @chocis: I hold the theory that Lucas, Evelyn, and Mel all have other people they loved, so they just share freely. Christian and Evelyn's husband are top-priority guests but anyone can join. :p
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    chocischocis Posts: 186 Member
    @InfraGreen hahahhahahahha, you're so right. Thank you for that, now I have some intresting visions. :D
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    CitizenErased14CitizenErased14 Posts: 12,187 Member
    @chocis and @Marmalade27 I really enjoyed your answers! I'm gonna try to give you both a better reply tomorrow if I can. I am laying down because I suddenly became very sick a couple hours ago :( I loved reading your answers but I'm currently laying in bed and unable to form coherent/thoughtful replies. Sorry! :(
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    chocischocis Posts: 186 Member
    @CitizenErased14 I'm sorry, hope you'll feel better tomorrow. Hang in there <3
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    Marmalade27Marmalade27 Posts: 625 Member
    @CitizenErased14 I hope you feel better soon and rest well tonight. :)
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    AudreyFldAudreyFld Posts: 6,695 Member
    chocis wrote: »
    @pammiechick I know what you mean. I feel so bad, because on a rational level I know Melanie was a great person, she gave Luck love and family Ev never could. And I cried when she died. But I can't fool my emotions and they wish Mel never showed up and that Luc and Ev were together. I appreciate the other kind of love they shared and the artistic value, but in my fantasies, he brings her back earlier or they make out when they both die. There, I said it.

    Exactly!!!!
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    AudreyFldAudreyFld Posts: 6,695 Member
    @CitizenErased14 - get well soon.
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    CitizenErased14CitizenErased14 Posts: 12,187 Member
    Thank you @chocis @Marmalade27 @AudreyFld ! Probably TMI, but I've thrown up almost every single hour since 3pm my time (it is currently 8pm and I was woken from sleep to puke yet again :bawling:) Hazards of being a teacher, I guess... you pick up a lot of awful things from the kiddos!
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    pammiechickpammiechick Posts: 12,262 Member
    Ugh! Hope it doesn't last! Rest up!!
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    CitizenErased14CitizenErased14 Posts: 12,187 Member
    edited March 2017
    I'm a little better today :) Unfortunately only a little though -_- Now I can give better thoughts :)

    @chocis I really loved your comments. I especially liked how you pointed out that Zayne is a bit more down-to-earth than most of the Rosebrooks, in terms of choosing not to live in that giant fancy house and doing things on his own instead :) He realy has this interdependence "thing". He just wants to do everything on his own with no help from others (and he also doesn't respond well to being told what to do)

    @Marmalade27 Thanks for your answers! I loved your predictions for Zayne/Hope's futures. Very dramatic, but also very much like what I'd do ;) Hehe I also like that you appreciate Mark and Joce being a couple deeply in love who don't have children. A bit of a change from the norm! :smiley:

    EDIT: Oh! And to answer your trait question, I do roll them randomly (using the legacy roller that takes parental traits into account). I often will use the traits they roll as a bit of inspiration for how the arc will go. However, I will admit to, um... 'accidentally' re-rolling traits once or twice if I am no crazy about the first set I get :joy: But overall, it really is random :)

    I'll be back in like an hour with today's chapter :blush:
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