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I have to applaud Maxis for being brave enough to put in Muslim items in the game. With the horrible amount of bad stigma associated with Muslim culture and the people I am happy to see them included in the Sims. They team has never been shy to add other cultures in it so it is nice to see some representation. I just hope from some of the comments that I have seen here that people can be respectful to this, no matter what your beliefs.
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    Nh6650Nh6650 Posts: 7,885 Member
    edited September 2019
    I also applaud their decision to include hijabs etc in the game. No one batted an eye when head wraps were included or when Sims are skimpily clad or otherwise!. Just one piece of cloth on the head causes such a furore. Just because they assume it is a " symbol of oppression ". I believe otherwise .
    It's not as if prayer mats or beads( tasbeeh) were included. It is just like a regular headscarf. No big deal.😁
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    alyssa123alyssa123 Posts: 323 Member
    edited September 2019
    i'm all for representation and diversity, so i was really happy when i read the patch notes. one thing i love about city living is the multiculturalism of it and how sims from all different races, ethnicities and cultures can come together and live in harmony. i just think it's great overall
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    SERVERFRASERVERFRA Posts: 7,134 Member
    I gave my Princess Jasmine the new dress & matching head scarf for her cold weather wear. I still want tiaras, crowns & magic hats.
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    casicasi Posts: 2 New Member
    I don't care if they add them but they need to respect your choices on your game. I have the habit of redoing all the sims and putting them in outfits I think are nicer and if you don't play them they put other outfits on them. Respect my choice of what I have done. You seem to want people to respect others well it is a two way street. Respect what I have done with my game.
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    loutredorloutredor Posts: 404 Member
    Skosalg wrote: »
    Nh6650 wrote: »
    I also applaud their decision to include hijabs etc in the game. No one batted an eye when head wraps were included or when Sims are skimpily clad or otherwise!. Just one piece of cloth on the head causes such a furore. Just because they assume it is a " symbol of oppression ". I believe otherwise .
    It's not as if prayer mats or beads( tasbeeh) were included. It is just like a regular headscarf. No big deal.😁

    I just wish they had added kids hijabs too. Feels like something is missing in my family, and it ruins my pure/impure challenge.

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    duhboy2u2duhboy2u2 Posts: 3,290 Member
    edited September 2019
    If and when the team fixes the problem of the game putting random hats on every sim everywhere, I might start adding them where I feel they make sense.

    I'll say, I'm happy for players who wish to put Hijab on their sims. I support cultural, spiritual, gender based, and all other types of game play that my brain just won't come up with right now.

    I most likely won't use them. Simply, I hate hats in Sims 4 and feel that not every single sim would wear one for every blasted outfit and currently that's how hats seem to work in my game.
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    Themrsg4422Themrsg4422 Posts: 332 Member
    duhboy2u2 wrote: »
    If and when the team fixes the problem of the game putting random hats on every sim everywhere, I might start adding them where I feel they make sense.

    I'll say, I'm happy for players who wish to put Hijab on their sims. I support cultural, spiritual, gender based, and all other types of game play that my brain just won't come up with right now.

    I most likely won't use them. Simply, I hate hats in Sims 4 and feel that not every single sim would wear one for every blasted outfit and currently that's how hats seem to work in my game.

    I love the new content and was excited to get it knowing I could add it where it fit. In fact the first thing I did after thr update was make a family for the gallery using all the new cas items.

    What I don't like, however, is having my comments deleted from other threads just for saying that I have already had sims rock up in tiny party dresses and a hijab. They keep saying that these items are not going to be put on random sims, but they somehow are in my unmodded game? I don't enjoy being told I'm just going crazy over here having another clothing item that is great in context, but not just slapped on randomly to any old sim.
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    Humility925Humility925 Posts: 152 Member
    edited September 2019
    Biggest mistake would be specialist in that sensitive area, when it's come to sensitive area, it's better off diversity or don't do at all, that is wise course.
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    SindocatSindocat Posts: 5,622 Member
    Biggest mistake would be specialist in that sensitive area, when it's come to sensitive area, it's better off diversity or don't do at all, that is wise course.

    If they did that - and, according to design documents from the original The Sims, they were leaning that way - I wouldn't be able to play my gay Sims. But, by happy accident, old design guides were followed, same-sex romance was enabled, and a chance interaction during an E3 live demo thirty years ago launched The Sims with a lot of positive buzz. It was in fact the right choice to take the more inclusive route, and has been a staple design principle of the studio ever since. I sincerely hope it always will be.
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    SimaniteSimanite Posts: 4,833 Member
    @duhboy2u2 @casi @Themrsg4422 You can easily disable any CAS items from spawning randomly with The Sims 4 Studio app. There's probably a tut in the creative corner or you can ask me on my page. Let's just say the Moschino SP items and those horrific free sweaters got that treatment straight away in my game. :D
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    SindocatSindocat Posts: 5,622 Member
    edited September 2019
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    mcruddmcrudd Posts: 11,696 Member
    Your thread might get closed soon, mine I had was positive, but got closed with no explanation, just locked, atleast some of them have explanations before closing. No idea why mine got closed it was constantly positive. Well thats what happens when the unknown is discussed amongst different opinions I guess. I personally had so objection against the add of the hijab as well, as I discussed in my thread here https://forums.thesims.com/en_US/discussion/965551/my-personal-opinion-about-the-hijab-debate-going-on/p1
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    Prink34320V2Prink34320V2 Posts: 156 Member
    Agreed! The Sims just added one more culture to their represented list, and I hope we see more cultures continue to be represented in updates and packs! Variety is a necessity for my gameplay, as without it the worlds feel less lovely and the Sims themselves feel less unique and more bland.
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    invisiblgirlinvisiblgirl Posts: 1,709 Member
    mcrudd wrote: »
    Your thread might get closed soon, mine I had was positive, but got closed with no explanation, just locked, atleast some of them have explanations before closing. No idea why mine got closed it was constantly positive. Well thats what happens when the unknown is discussed amongst different opinions I guess. I personally had so objection against the add of the hijab as well, as I discussed in my thread here https://forums.thesims.com/en_US/discussion/965551/my-personal-opinion-about-the-hijab-debate-going-on/p1

    I didn't see your thread until it was closed, so I'll say it here: Bravo!
    I just want things to match. :'(
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    loutredorloutredor Posts: 404 Member
    edited September 2019
    @MadameLee

    Headscarves could be seen as cultural when worn as an accessory, useful to protect from the sand, the wind, and the sun. But hijabs are a very peculiar (and I would argue, recognizable) kind or headscarf, worn for other reasons (you know, those that-must-not-be-named except in threads about muslim outfits in which we can discuss modesty all we want). Those are only part of one interpretation of Islam (the one that starts with a R and ends with a L) that as you said not all muslims agree with.
    In any case EA added burkinis as well, which are very far from being cultural and don't even exist in most arabian and middle-eastern cultures, and you would have a hard time arguing they are just cultural and it is people who twisted their otherwise empty meaning. There is a reason EA doesn't want us to talk about it on its very forums, and it is because it is religious and political.
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    MadameLeeMadameLee Posts: 32,759 Member
    edited September 2019
    we are even calling the headscarf the wrong term anyone by calling it a hijab. hijab means "curtain" or "to divide" or even "to cover" .. its never a headscarf that's a different Arabic word.

    But outside of that issue.. could we just be glad that EA is trying to be more cultural diverse in a game like the Sims?

    I'm going to be using a CC hijab later in my Swanson story twice for non-Muslims purposes and the 2nd time I might throw in some of the EA's hijab stuff
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    mock68mock68 Posts: 696 Member
    MadameLee wrote: »
    we are even calling the headscarf the wrong term anyone by calling it a hijab. hijab means "curtain" or "to divide" or even "to cover" .. its never a headscarf that's a different Arabic word.

    But outside of that issue.. could we just be glad that EA is trying to be more cultural diverse in a game like the Sims?

    I'm going to be using a CC hijab later in my Swanson story twice for non-Muslims purposes and the 2nd time I might throw in some of the EA's hijab stuff

    Yet on the EA presentation it was called a hijab and not a headscarf. So calling it a headscarf is wrong as that is not what EA released it as..
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    ScobreScobre Posts: 20,665 Member
    I am happy about the patch. Inclusion is one of the things that I have been striving for with the Sims. I have a friend who had to flee his country as a baby and was interesting hearing his story about that. My ancestry came from immigration too, so I am open minded with regards to people from other cultures and countries. I went to school with many Muslim in college and university. There are Russians in my area that wear head coverings too so it isn't out of the norm where I live in America. I am thrilled that more Simmers can be represented in the game. As far as fashion, treating women like pieces of meat wearing next to nothing is far more degrading to me being a feminist and strong woman in my business industry. Far too often women get hired because of wearing short skirts. Don't even get me started how women are treated on Twitch based on fashion too. So yes considering I actually do have a little more insight to culture I am fine with this update and I hope the beautiful things that women wear in Africa with some of their head coverings are represented too. Also it is extremely hot so if you saw any of the behind the scenes in the making of Aladdin, you would have a bit more insight about head coverings from a Disney movie that kids watch. The sand storms alone wouldn't feel good on bare skin.
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    SimaniteSimanite Posts: 4,833 Member
    Scobre wrote: »
    I am happy about the patch. Inclusion is one of the things that I have been striving for with the Sims. I have a friend who had to flee his country as a baby and was interesting hearing his story about that. My ancestry came from immigration too, so I am open minded with regards to people from other cultures and countries. I went to school with many Muslim in college and university. There are Russians in my area that wear head coverings too so it isn't out of the norm where I live in America. I am thrilled that more Simmers can be represented in the game. As far as fashion, treating women like pieces of meat wearing next to nothing is far more degrading to me being a feminist and strong woman in my business industry. Far too often women get hired because of wearing short skirts. Don't even get me started how women are treated on Twitch based on fashion too. So yes considering I actually do have a little more insight to culture I am fine with this update and I hope the beautiful things that women wear in Africa with some of their head coverings are represented too. Also it is extremely hot so if you saw any of the behind the scenes in the making of Aladdin, you would have a bit more insight about head coverings from a Disney movie that kids watch. The sand storms alone wouldn't feel good on bare skin.

    A woman wearing whatever she feels comfortable wearing is never "degrading," and nor should it open her up to receiving unwanted advances. We know that many women ARE sexualised in the western entertainment industry (especially in music), but that doesn't diminish the fact that countries that enforce women to cover up in public (such as Saudi Arabia) are equally toxic. If a woman feels comfortable wearing a bikini or a sheer dress she has the right to do so, just as a woman who feels comfortable wearing long-sleeved shirts and head-coverings has the right to do so, because we have the privilege (although it shouldn't be a privilege) of living in a democratic country with a free society. And so do our Sims.
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    ScobreScobre Posts: 20,665 Member
    edited September 2019
    Simanite wrote: »
    Scobre wrote: »
    I am happy about the patch. Inclusion is one of the things that I have been striving for with the Sims. I have a friend who had to flee his country as a baby and was interesting hearing his story about that. My ancestry came from immigration too, so I am open minded with regards to people from other cultures and countries. I went to school with many Muslim in college and university. There are Russians in my area that wear head coverings too so it isn't out of the norm where I live in America. I am thrilled that more Simmers can be represented in the game. As far as fashion, treating women like pieces of meat wearing next to nothing is far more degrading to me being a feminist and strong woman in my business industry. Far too often women get hired because of wearing short skirts. Don't even get me started how women are treated on Twitch based on fashion too. So yes considering I actually do have a little more insight to culture I am fine with this update and I hope the beautiful things that women wear in Africa with some of their head coverings are represented too. Also it is extremely hot so if you saw any of the behind the scenes in the making of Aladdin, you would have a bit more insight about head coverings from a Disney movie that kids watch. The sand storms alone wouldn't feel good on bare skin.

    A woman wearing whatever she feels comfortable wearing is never "degrading," and nor should it open her up to receiving unwanted advances. We know that many women ARE sexualised in the western entertainment industry (especially in music), but that doesn't diminish the fact that countries that enforce women to cover up in public (such as Saudi Arabia) are equally toxic. If a woman feels comfortable wearing a bikini or a sheer dress she has the right to do so, just as a woman who feels comfortable wearing long-sleeved shirts and head-coverings has the right to do so, because we have the privilege (although it shouldn't be a privilege) of living in a democratic country with a free society. And so do our Sims.
    If it was accurate the hijab would be covering the face as well. Because it is not shows it is representing women not forced by a man to show her beauty. Don't our Sims have the right to protect themselves from desert conditions? From having a mom who has fought skin cancer I am all for environmental protection. It isn't true freedom if people with restricted viewpoints have to enforce western fashions upon the world without their consent. Really research it beyond wiki which with college was the worst resource for writing papers and prohibited. My friend was going to be killed as a baby for being Muslim had not his mom kept him quiet from crying. So as far as restricting rights most people can't even read them not knowing cursive that it includes rights of all people including representing Simmers that are Muslim like my friend. He married a Canadian that graduated in religious studies and they are like family to me on Twitch.
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    Felice_EnellenFelice_Enellen Posts: 102 Member
    Scobre wrote: »
    If it was accurate the hijab would be covering the face as well. Because it is not shows it is representing women not forced by a man to show her beauty.
    As we are told, a woman is modest by covering her beauty and ornaments, which include her hair and breasts, which this article of clothing is used to cover.
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    ChazzzyChazzzy Posts: 7,166 Member
    Scobre wrote: »
    If it was accurate the hijab would be covering the face as well. Because it is not shows it is representing women not forced by a man to show her beauty.
    As we are told, a woman is modest by covering her beauty and ornaments, which include her hair and breasts, which this article of clothing is used to cover.

    A hijab is used to cover a woman’s breasts?
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    alejandro15039alejandro15039 Posts: 939 Member
    Besides being against or not with the hijab thing, people need to understand that yes it is indeed a religious symbol, and also a cultural symbol, but that's because Islam is a religion that is forced in Islam countries, people have no choice to not be a muslim in an Islam country, I myself live in a country where the percentage of muslim people is less than 0.01%, but that doesn't mean I know nothing about this religion, for years I have studied the muslim religion, and yes indeed it was forced on women, nowadays women don't care because it's now part of their culture, I would like to think that nowadays hijabs are not forced upon muslim women, instead I hope that anyone that wears it, is because they want to.
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    ScobreScobre Posts: 20,665 Member
    “Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it.” –Helen Keller
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    ScobreScobre Posts: 20,665 Member
    Besides being against or not with the hijab thing, people need to understand that yes it is indeed a religious symbol, and also a cultural symbol, but that's because Islam is a religion that is forced in Islam countries, people have no choice to not be a muslim in an Islam country, I myself live in a country where the percentage of muslim people is less than 0.01%, but that doesn't mean I know nothing about this religion, for years I have studied the muslim religion, and yes indeed it was forced on women, nowadays women don't care because it's now part of their culture, I would like to think that nowadays hijabs are not forced upon muslim women, instead I hope that anyone that wears it, is because they want to.
    Thank you for bringing information about it. I mean when it comes to the Sims we are forcing them what to wear. Our Sims don't have the free will to choose what they wear. They are part of a computer program. But yes I do think that Simmers can choose what they wear and represent where they live. I have met a lot of Russian mennonite women that wear head coverings and they are covered head to toe in clothing, but shoes are the only thing that they can express themselves with. I really have enjoyed having more head covering options for our Sims. Would be nice to get some from India and other countries.
    “Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it.” –Helen Keller
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