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FrogeemsFrogeems Posts: 57 Member
edited April 2022 in The Sims 4 Ideas Corner
I used to think liking the burglars was an unpopular opinion until I looked for mods of them. I ended up seeing how many simmers wanted them back. Then I wondered, “why did they even disappear in the first place? They’ve always been a part of the sims franchise!”

Upon research, the burglars apparently triggered anxiety in some players. … Excuse me? DEATH triggers anxiety in ALL players, so why not remove that? It takes excitement away and makes the sims less of a life simulator. In that case, EA, please remove thunderstorms because I have a horrible phobia of thunder and lightning.

It’s a little ridiculous... Yes, I sincerely do have an intense fear of thunder and lightning. Is EA now going to go and take thunderstorms away too because I expressed my common fear? No, it really did freak me out a lot when lightning blasted near my house. So, why not make an off setting like they have for thunderstorms?

Who else misses burglars?
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    StormkeepStormkeep Posts: 7,632 Member
    edited April 2022
    Based on comments made by the team in the past, the belief they aren't in the game because they caused anxiety is false. They said they just haven't added them yet, but that doesn't mean they won't at some point.

    I don't miss burglars because I have them in my game, thanks to Carl's Gameplay Overhaul mod. That said, I didn't really miss them before he added them to that mod. I find them rather annoying, pretty much on the same level as the Sharing is Caring NAP. But I do like beating them up when they show up due to Carl's mod...so that's a plus.
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    crocobauracrocobaura Posts: 7,385 Member
    We have klepto sims and the sharing is caring NAP, don't think I would be very happy with burglars too. Maybe if they overhauled them and made different kinds of burglars, like in TS2 there was the charlatan that stole some money from you. I mean, in real life, no one steals an installed toilet unless it's made of gold, so maybe they could add burglars that steal different things but don't touch essential furniture items like toilets, sinks, chairs, etc. Like petty thieves that steal garden gnomes, bicycles, and chickens, art thieves that steal masterpieces, conartists or pickpokets that steal money, pickpokets could also steal small items in your inventory, industrial thieves that steal technology or recipes.
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    cynciecyncie Posts: 4,656 Member
    They were fun, but I can’t say I really need them. I do think the game needs a little more randomness, and the burglars definitely contributed to that. There were times, though, that I couldn’t figure out what they actually had stolen.
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    simgirl1010simgirl1010 Posts: 35,881 Member
    I'll pass.
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    MkinsMkins Posts: 79 Member
    I feel like they worked best with Ambitions in Sims 3. In fact the firefighter job and PI were some of the best jobs ever besides a cop, and being a detective is alright but lacks that mystery.

    Right now with Vlad, vampires in general, NAP and that glitch where anyone can walk in even with the door locked, it might make it worse than better. Or if you like haunted houses, being awakened by ghosts nightly mixed with a robbery would be crazy lol but funny to see a robber running from a fire specter!

    I do miss them though and feel that having a more realistic neighborhood where bad things can happen would be fun, but it would need to be done right or like many other things in 4, become a mess of spam.
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    hely0thely0t Posts: 345 Member
    If they were brought back as an option for those who want them, I'd be on board with it, and I'd be keeping that option off. They were highly irritating to me and contributed to ruining my enjoyment of playing Sims3.
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    bshag4lvbshag4lv Posts: 9,378 Member
    Stormkeep wrote: »
    Based on comments made by the team in the past, the belief they aren't in the game because they caused anxiety is false. They said they just haven't added them yet, but that doesn't mean they won't at some point.

    I don't miss burglars because I have them in my game, thanks to Carl's Gameplay Overhaul mod. That said, I didn't really miss them before he added them to that mod. I find them rather annoying, pretty much on the same level as the Sharing is Caring NAP. But I do like beating them up when they show up due to Carl's mod...so that's a plus.

    I loved the burglars in past Sims games and thankfully Carl has put them back in the game. After my first burglar break-in, I suddenly remembered what we were missing...police! My sim fought him well but he stole her chess set anyway, and the chairs! From now on, my sims are going to be buffed out so no stinking burglar can take their stuff anymore. :D
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    DaniRose2143DaniRose2143 Posts: 8,852 Member
    edited April 2022
    I can live without them. As @crocobaura pointed out with caring is sharing and kleptos we basically have them already. But like some of those that don't want occults I'd be fine with supporting your goal to have burglars as long as there was a way to turn them off in my game.
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    PlayerSinger2010PlayerSinger2010 Posts: 3,267 Member
    Frogeems wrote: »
    I used to think liking the burglars was an unpopular opinion until I looked for mods of them. I ended up seeing how many simmers wanted them back. Then I wondered, “why did they even disappear in the first place? They’ve always been a part of the sims franchise!”

    Upon research, the burglars apparently triggered anxiety in some players. … Excuse me? DEATH triggers anxiety in ALL players, so why not remove that? It takes excitement away and makes the sims less of a life simulator. In that case, EA, please remove thunderstorms because I have a horrible phobia of thunder and lightning.

    It’s a little ridiculous... Yes, I sincerely do have an intense fear of thunder and lightning. Is EA now going to go and take thunderstorms away too because I expressed my common fear? No, it really did freak me out a lot when lightning blasted near my house. So, why not make an off setting like they have for thunderstorms?

    Who else misses burglars?

    That is false and has been confirmed to be false for years now.

    They just haven't added them. It's as simple as that.
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    FrogeemsFrogeems Posts: 57 Member
    cyncie wrote: »
    They were fun, but I can’t say I really need them. I do think the game needs a little more randomness, and the burglars definitely contributed to that. There were times, though, that I couldn’t figure out what they actually had stolen.

    Same. Took me days to realize a television itself was gone. But I do miss the poor AI of the burglars as well... One point in the sims 3, a burglar stole my broken toilet. It was a very cheap one too. Gave me a hearty laugh!
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    FrogeemsFrogeems Posts: 57 Member
    Frogeems wrote: »
    I used to think liking the burglars was an unpopular opinion until I looked for mods of them. I ended up seeing how many simmers wanted them back. Then I wondered, “why did they even disappear in the first place? They’ve always been a part of the sims franchise!”

    Upon research, the burglars apparently triggered anxiety in some players. … Excuse me? DEATH triggers anxiety in ALL players, so why not remove that? It takes excitement away and makes the sims less of a life simulator. In that case, EA, please remove thunderstorms because I have a horrible phobia of thunder and lightning.

    It’s a little ridiculous... Yes, I sincerely do have an intense fear of thunder and lightning. Is EA now going to go and take thunderstorms away too because I expressed my common fear? No, it really did freak me out a lot when lightning blasted near my house. So, why not make an off setting like they have for thunderstorms?

    Who else misses burglars?

    That is false and has been confirmed to be false for years now.

    They just haven't added them. It's as simple as that.

    Thank you for your input, I was unaware of that. I’ve only ever seen articles backing the anxiety statement. Is it just their decision not to? Or do you know if there’s a different reason?
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    StormkeepStormkeep Posts: 7,632 Member
    bshag4lv wrote: »
    I loved the burglars in past Sims games and thankfully Carl has put them back in the game. After my first burglar break-in, I suddenly remembered what we were missing...police! My sim fought him well but he stole her chess set anyway, and the chairs! From now on, my sims are going to be buffed out so no stinking burglar can take their stuff anymore. :D

    :lol: My sims are spending a lot of time with the punching bag on their gym days ever since Carl put them back into the game. I don't even know if using a punching bag vs. workout equipment makes a difference in fight resolution, but I'm still doing it.
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    kaiwrysimskaiwrysims Posts: 1,532 Member
    Frogeems wrote: »
    Frogeems wrote: »
    I used to think liking the burglars was an unpopular opinion until I looked for mods of them. I ended up seeing how many simmers wanted them back. Then I wondered, “why did they even disappear in the first place? They’ve always been a part of the sims franchise!”

    Upon research, the burglars apparently triggered anxiety in some players. … Excuse me? DEATH triggers anxiety in ALL players, so why not remove that? It takes excitement away and makes the sims less of a life simulator. In that case, EA, please remove thunderstorms because I have a horrible phobia of thunder and lightning.

    It’s a little ridiculous... Yes, I sincerely do have an intense fear of thunder and lightning. Is EA now going to go and take thunderstorms away too because I expressed my common fear? No, it really did freak me out a lot when lightning blasted near my house. So, why not make an off setting like they have for thunderstorms?

    Who else misses burglars?

    That is false and has been confirmed to be false for years now.

    They just haven't added them. It's as simple as that.

    Thank you for your input, I was unaware of that. I’ve only ever seen articles backing the anxiety statement. Is it just their decision not to? Or do you know if there’s a different reason?

    The statement was spread by some random person claiming that they know someone who works there. Then I think the devs said that it's not the reason and they just haven't added it yet. The main reason is likely that they just haven't had an opportunity to add them. A lot of features get added because of a pack related to it. Like how gardening and cooking for kids got added in the patch before CoL. So a lot of features are not 'impossible' they just haven't had the opportunity to add them to the game.
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    Horrorgirl6Horrorgirl6 Posts: 3,193 Member
    Frogeems wrote: »
    I used to think liking the burglars was an unpopular opinion until I looked for mods of them. I ended up seeing how many simmers wanted them back. Then I wondered, “why did they even disappear in the first place? They’ve always been a part of the sims franchise!”

    Upon research, the burglars apparently triggered anxiety in some players. … Excuse me? DEATH triggers anxiety in ALL players, so why not remove that? It takes excitement away and makes the sims less of a life simulator. In that case, EA, please remove thunderstorms because I have a horrible phobia of thunder and lightning.

    It’s a little ridiculous... Yes, I sincerely do have an intense fear of thunder and lightning. Is EA now going to go and take thunderstorms away too because I expressed my common fear? No, it really did freak me out a lot when lightning blasted near my house. So, why not make an off setting like they have for thunderstorms?

    Who else misses burglars?

    Simply put it, sims 4 was never meant to be a sequel.It was originally an online game rework to be a sequel.So a lot of features were cut.
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    EternalSunshineEternalSunshine Posts: 340 Member
    I would like to see burglars added to TS4. The devs could add them as a lot challenge feature, that way players that don't want burglars can avoid them.
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    lanlynlanlyn Posts: 5,023 Member
    The devs could add them as a lot challenge feature, that way players that don't want burglars can avoid them.
    @EternalSunshine That would be a good way to add them. Then again, burglars might show up every night. :o A challenge indeed! Much more annoying than foxes or volcano eruptions!
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    EternalSunshineEternalSunshine Posts: 340 Member
    lanlyn wrote: »
    The devs could add them as a lot challenge feature, that way players that don't want burglars can avoid them.
    @EternalSunshine That would be a good way to add them. Then again, burglars might show up every night. :o A challenge indeed! Much more annoying than foxes or volcano eruptions!

    Yes, I would not want burglars showing up every night. So, I hope that any burglar challenge feature would just give a small percentage chance that a burglar will show up. The chance for burglars could also be increased or decreased with certain lot traits. I think Carl does something similar with his burglar mod.
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    ThriorThrior Posts: 612 Member
    edited April 2022
    I'd love to have burglars back. Always enjoyed some unexpected little challenges and drama (plus my TS3 sims loved to beat the burglars up lol). Carl's mod sounds really good (I love how it takes even occult abilities into consideration) but I really don't feel like installing a big overhaul when I already have a setup of mods that do the same things and am happy with. I'm kinda hoping for a possible separate module in the future.
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    comicsforlifecomicsforlife Posts: 9,585 Member
    I would like to have them back as well.
    more for sim kids and more drama please
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    BluegayleBluegayle Posts: 4,186 Member
    Only if they add burglar alarms or can train pets to guard the home. I have never liked them since they stole my sims toilet. How low can you go? Seriously take the stereo or even the tv but leave my potty alone. There is a line no one should cross.
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    SimmingalSimmingal Posts: 8,963 Member
    edited April 2022
    well i have major bug phobia so i wish game was bug free :pensive:

    but I do also wish we got burglars
    and when/if we got them back i really want to assign particular sim to the role

    or even better i think it would be so cool if they refreshed get to work with active criminal career and chance to get your sims jailed if caught and then if you're like on burglar stage with sim theyd show up as burglar npc to your other sims and show up as criminals when playing detective sim

    also if people don't want to get their stuff stolen it could always be lot challenge the way foxes are
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    comicsforlifecomicsforlife Posts: 9,585 Member
    Simmingal wrote: »
    well i have major bug phobia so i wish game was bug free :pensive:

    but I do also wish we got burglars
    and when/if we got them back i really want to assign particular sim to the role

    or even better i think it would be so cool if they refreshed get to work with active criminal career and chance to get your sims jailed if caught and then if you're like on burglar stage with sim theyd show up as burglar npc to your other sims and show up as criminals when playing detective sim

    also if people don't want to get their stuff stolen it could always be lot challenge the way foxes are

    yes please.
    more for sim kids and more drama please
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    PlayerSinger2010PlayerSinger2010 Posts: 3,267 Member
    edited April 2022
    Frogeems wrote: »
    Frogeems wrote: »
    I used to think liking the burglars was an unpopular opinion until I looked for mods of them. I ended up seeing how many simmers wanted them back. Then I wondered, “why did they even disappear in the first place? They’ve always been a part of the sims franchise!”

    Upon research, the burglars apparently triggered anxiety in some players. … Excuse me? DEATH triggers anxiety in ALL players, so why not remove that? It takes excitement away and makes the sims less of a life simulator. In that case, EA, please remove thunderstorms because I have a horrible phobia of thunder and lightning.

    It’s a little ridiculous... Yes, I sincerely do have an intense fear of thunder and lightning. Is EA now going to go and take thunderstorms away too because I expressed my common fear? No, it really did freak me out a lot when lightning blasted near my house. So, why not make an off setting like they have for thunderstorms?

    Who else misses burglars?

    That is false and has been confirmed to be false for years now.

    They just haven't added them. It's as simple as that.

    Thank you for your input, I was unaware of that. I’ve only ever seen articles backing the anxiety statement. Is it just their decision not to? Or do you know if there’s a different reason?



    This was the answer given by a now-former SimGuru. We don't have them because they haven't added them. That's all.
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    SERVERFRASERVERFRA Posts: 7,128 Member
    Yes please!! I miss my sims fighting off the burglars, they were so funny.
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    ItsMeThatGuyItsMeThatGuy Posts: 305 Member
    This is what I've wanted for the Sims 4 burglars:
    They are in the base game, but Get To Work can increase the Sim's interactions:

    •Each night, starting at 12 AM, there is a 3% chance(Very rare) of a random Sim (Townie, or premade Sim) to break into a Sim's home.
    If the Sim is awake, they can fight the burglar (Higher fitness skill leads to success) Bribe them (More success if Sim pays more) or ask them to leave (Higher Charisma and a Confident sim can be better at doing this)

    •Burglars have a higher chance to come to a household if a household is wealthy and had a lot of house value (A Sim with a 1 million dollar house value has a decent chance of being robbed, whereas a Sim with only 25k in house value(Mobile homes, tiny houses) have a lowest chance of robbery.


    •If Get To Work is installed, and the Sim is in a Detective Career, they can arrest the burglar and they will be escorted to a rabbit hole, and if they already taken items when they are arrested, the family will be reimbursed and the objects will be taken in evidence.
    Sims with higher Logic are to succeed in this option.

    •An alarm can be bought and armed, so if a Sim is sleeping, or they are out of the house, they will autonomously arm the device, but the alarm must be bought next to the house's front door. Very similar to when a Sim takes off their shoes in Snowy escape, they will do it at the front door.
    The alarm can be placed anywhere, and will stretch to a maximum Sim build square, before it goes off.

    •If the alarm detects the burglar, the cops will automatically called, and the Sim can pick the company with ease. See below for more information,
    Also a fast Sim can call the cops, and they will come, run to the burglar, and try to arrest them.
    The Sim can call the cops from three different companies, randomly generated names. There will be a small fee to call the cops, which better companies will cost a bit more, but will be easier to catch and arrest the burglar.

    •Finally Sims who called the cops to catch the burglar, or arrested themselves, will be reimbursed with a amount of money.
    If the objects taken were expensive, they will be paid more. Similar to fires. Also burglars will be more attracted to expensive items.



    Hope this list will help with improving the game!
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