A lot of people who favour sims 2 really didn't care for open world, myself included.
The whole "if sims 4 fails there is be no sims 5" is just fear mongering, there will be a sims 5 and hopefully EA will realise you can't cut corners (or content) with a franchise such as this.
I feel that both TS3 and TS4 are branches from TS2, they're experiments in two very different directions, and what has been learned from them, hopefully, will lead to a middle ground.
I'm hoping that one of the things learned is a blend of open world and the almost open hoods of TS4. It would be nice to have 6-10 lots that you can visit, without a loading screen between them. It would make for a nice compromise between the computer crashing, too much going on at once that we had in TS3, and the frustration of not being able to control your whole household while they visit other lots, all at the same time, with no loading in between.
We've seen the heavy, we now have the lite. They may try one more time. I won't be at all surprised if they do.
I'd be more surprised if they don't.
TS4 is an okay game if you look at it for what it is rather than what it's missing. It's pretty. It runs smoothly. It has enjoyable features in their own right.
I kind of have to agree with you on that. It really does run smoothly, for all that it lacks things, it is very smooth.
But none of it is a game changer for me the way TS3 was. TS3 changed the way I played, it changed my expectations for the series, it broadened my horizons for what I thought a life simulator could be. Even with the glitchiness and issues with TS3's engine, it is still, in my opinion, a much more immersive and imaginative game series than any other Sims game past or present. I'll gladly play the Sims 3 till I die if EA/Maxis never provides me with something better.
And I do agree with you here, not even needing my arm twisted to do so.
I only really had issues with TS3 when I added IP and too much CC, up until then, it ran ok. I'll probably end up installing it again, because TS4 is not as addictive as TS1, TS2 and TS3.
@Movotti One thing we have learnt from TS3, and hear me out on this, is that Open World can work, customisation is popular and providing enough variety in expansion will sale.
What we have learnt from TS4 is that 'players will buy anything with The Sims on it' (that is the third time I have said that today already) although cutting corners does not work and it is clear that improvements are possible, interaction between players is crucial.
What we really should say is that if Sims 5 fails, there will be no Sims 6. A lot of people, including me, are dissatisfied with the direction the Sims series is going. Sims 4 has been a major disappointment to us, but we're willing to give EA/Maxis another shot to restore the series to what it was. However if they screw up again and fail with Sims 5, that'll be the end of the series.
What we really should say is that if Sims 5 fails, there will be no Sims 6. A lot of people, including me, are dissatisfied with the direction the Sims series is going. Sims 4 has been a major disappointment to us, but we're willing to give EA/Maxis another shot to restore the series to what it was. However if they screw up again and fail with Sims 5, that'll be the end of the series.
Yes, it would be 'the final straw' for a lot of players so my main advice, as a player of the series with a great deal of experience is that for They Sims to work there needs to be a good deal of consideration about the feedback provided. Now it is easy to brush the dev team off and say 'they aint listening' but take a look at Kids Room SP and the nannies. I do not doubt for a second that these 'family play' related contents would have not made it had it been for player's feedback.
So yes, they are listening and we can show faith in them so The Sims 5 could be a successful Sims game
The Sims 3 was the worst of the first 3 games (critically and commercially) and its biggest features were Open World and CASt.
Clearly they weren't enough to sell the game, so EA scrapped them as "selling points" of the franchise.
The Sims 2 sold over 20 million on all platforms as of 2007(?) while the Sims 3 halfed that and sold over 10 million as of 2014 on all platforms (it was also released to more platforms too).
While it would be good to have those things (if they actually worked and Devs made them work), EA has a clear sales stratergy.
If something doesn't work, or sell the game, they often choose to remove it, than to make it work.
Open World's issues, CAST's lag issues, SimCity's online issues, The Sims Urbz flopping (even though the reason why it flopped was because the Sims 2 overshadowed it) etc. I could go on.
If EA make another Sims game, my #1 prediction is that Multitasking will not be in the game as it is in 4.
They will program more options individually for certain objects (eg. Listening to music while cooking). But they will remove it as a default for the entire game.
LOLOLOLOL
Please, just stop, or your going to make me die of laughter. That is such a lie, I literally can't even. What people tell themselves to like TS4 better/to hate on TS3....lol
And as far as I know TS4 only sold around 5 million which is a half of what TS3 had.
@Movotti One thing we have learnt from TS3, and hear me out on this, is that Open World can work, customisation is popular and providing enough variety in expansion will sale.
That's what I mean, the open world worked fine for some people, but others did have problems, which is why I think they'll be more likely to have smaller open neighbourhoods, rather than whole worlds. I think a lot of people loved the open worlds, and those few who didn't had slower machines
What we have learnt from TS4 is that 'players will buy anything with The Sims on it'
I think I may have accidentally become one of those people.
interaction between players is crucial.
I think you mean listening to players.
It's very obvious that people want certain things in the game, and they've been very vocal about asking for demanding what they want.
There are very strong rumors that Sims 5 is currently in development for the Xbox One and PS 4, and will be ported to PC later. At least hinting at a shortened Sims 4 life cycle, or possible delayed launch of Sims 5 on PC.
Every one of such rumours I've seen is from a little circle of non-mainstream online tech site that only cite each other as sources. It's clickbait, not rumour grounded in anything at all. They just change the content of the rumour slightly every couple of months. (Last winter it was about Xbox and PS ports for Sims 4)
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Ok, first off, every product has a life cycle. During said life cycle a product hits a stage where it's in decline. Part of what companies do to keep the product around and relevant is to refresh/reinvent it. I feel like that's what the sims 4 is for this franchise and also why everyone complains that it's so different/lacking in comparison to the other games. So with that in mind, it's my understanding that financially the sims 4 is doing fine so I don't see any "end of the franchise" silliness coming to fruition.
Note: I would like to reference my statement about the policing of the forums again. This topic, as of early this morning, was booted to the Off Topic section. Even though it is a general discussion about the success and failings of TS4 and what that could mean for the continuation of the series, and has remained very much on topic in the majority. Suppression of negative feedback and opinions at it's finest.
This thread is nonsense. If open world was a deal killer, EA/Maxis wouldn't have rolled out The Sims 4 in the first place. While you're here bickering about whether or not there will be a Sims 5, I'm going to just wait out the final couple of hours and download the new stuff pack from Origin.
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This thread is nonsense. If open world was a deal killer, EA/Maxis wouldn't have rolled out The Sims 4 in the first place. While you're here bickering about whether or not there will be a Sims 5, I'm going to just wait out the final couple of hours and download the new stuff pack from Origin.
It's your right to disagree with any and all things said here, but it isn't your right to rudely antagonize the people who are actually contributing to this discussion.
This topic clearly wasn't for you if you have nothing better to add than your gloating and insults. Please take several seats and read the community guidelines. Flame baiting and insulting your fellow simmers is prohibited.
@Ravager619 I have been following this thread since it was moved to this forum, and while I haven't commented myself up until now, I can't see that people are "bickering". It's mostly been a constructive conversation, one which I find interesting as I've learned a few new things that I didn't previously know. I would rather like to see people continuing to discuss things, and if you would rather go download your content, you should go do that instead since you don't have anything to contribute to the topic.
@mmt3363 I find it interesting that this topic was moved to Off Topic. It's just like you mentioned before.
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The whole "if sims 4 fails there is be no sims 5" is just fear mongering, there will be a sims 5 and hopefully EA will realise you can't cut corners (or content) with a franchise such as this.
I feel that both TS3 and TS4 are branches from TS2, they're experiments in two very different directions, and what has been learned from them, hopefully, will lead to a middle ground.
I'm hoping that one of the things learned is a blend of open world and the almost open hoods of TS4. It would be nice to have 6-10 lots that you can visit, without a loading screen between them. It would make for a nice compromise between the computer crashing, too much going on at once that we had in TS3, and the frustration of not being able to control your whole household while they visit other lots, all at the same time, with no loading in between.
We've seen the heavy, we now have the lite. They may try one more time. I won't be at all surprised if they do.
I'd be more surprised if they don't.
I kind of have to agree with you on that. It really does run smoothly, for all that it lacks things, it is very smooth.
And I do agree with you here, not even needing my arm twisted to do so.
I only really had issues with TS3 when I added IP and too much CC, up until then, it ran ok. I'll probably end up installing it again, because TS4 is not as addictive as TS1, TS2 and TS3.
What we have learnt from TS4 is that 'players will buy anything with The Sims on it' (that is the third time I have said that today already) although cutting corners does not work and it is clear that improvements are possible, interaction between players is crucial.
Yes, it would be 'the final straw' for a lot of players so my main advice, as a player of the series with a great deal of experience is that for They Sims to work there needs to be a good deal of consideration about the feedback provided. Now it is easy to brush the dev team off and say 'they aint listening' but take a look at Kids Room SP and the nannies. I do not doubt for a second that these 'family play' related contents would have not made it had it been for player's feedback.
So yes, they are listening and we can show faith in them so The Sims 5 could be a successful Sims game
LOLOLOLOL
Please, just stop, or your going to make me die of laughter. That is such a lie, I literally can't even. What people tell themselves to like TS4 better/to hate on TS3....lol
And as far as I know TS4 only sold around 5 million which is a half of what TS3 had.
I think I may have accidentally become one of those people.
I think you mean listening to players.
It's very obvious that people want certain things in the game, and they've been very vocal about asking for demanding what they want.
Every one of such rumours I've seen is from a little circle of non-mainstream online tech site that only cite each other as sources. It's clickbait, not rumour grounded in anything at all. They just change the content of the rumour slightly every couple of months. (Last winter it was about Xbox and PS ports for Sims 4)
It's your right to disagree with any and all things said here, but it isn't your right to rudely antagonize the people who are actually contributing to this discussion.
This topic clearly wasn't for you if you have nothing better to add than your gloating and insults. Please take several seats and read the community guidelines. Flame baiting and insulting your fellow simmers is prohibited.
@mmt3363 I find it interesting that this topic was moved to Off Topic. It's just like you mentioned before.
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