I think teens in TS4 can look very teen-like
This is my main sim, he's a teen:
In the story I'm using him in, he's meant to be about 16/17
Look at that pose! Such attitude! Much teen!
This is his younger sister, she's a teen too.
She's supposed to be about 14/15
In their "school uniforms"
Their parents
Trash with their mother
Their father
I think they look like young adults
I think you need to look closer.
In this pic, everyone (except the teen on the edge of the pool) is a young adult.
They look different to my teens, a little older, a little more worldly.
I've found that teens tend to be more twig like than young adults.
What? Lol
Sorry, but are you blind? Or maybe just biased because the sim on the side on the pool looks *nothing* like a teen, to me. Not one bit. Sorry.
--T
ETA: if anything, he looks like Johnny Depp, a *young adult* JD, so props for that. He's a nice looking sim. Just doesn't look like a teenager in any shape, way or form. Nada.
Are you blind I get what they are saying because I have noticed that to that they are alot skinnier then YA sometimes and that looks like a teen to me.
Teens aren't necessarily skinnier than adults, so if that defines the difference that would be rather limited imo. Besides, how can you tell them apart then from skinny adults in your game? I seriously can't tell the examples in this topic being teens and I'm not blind Like this one:
@ikiamyetta
The teens in your part of the world must be very strange looking.
Tall and skinny is pretty normal here for teens.
I was as tall as many adults when I was about 15, and though I never reached my goal of 6ft, I still towered over many of my teachers by 16.
I've known a lot of teens who towered over their parents by 15/16
I've known a lot of people who are easily as tall as their mothers by 12/13.
@Orchid13 It'd be pretty odd for a 16/17 year old guy to not have facial hair.
And there's no real logical reason to have teens shorter than adults, as I've mentioned above, tall teens are pretty normal.
Short teens are abnormal.
@ikiamyetta
The teens in your part of the world must be very strange looking.
Tall and skinny is pretty normal here for teens.
I was as tall as many adults when I was about 15, and though I never reached my goal of 6ft, I still towered over many of my teachers by 16.
I've known a lot of teens who towered over their parents by 15/16
I've known a lot of people who are easily as tall as their mothers by 12/13.
@Orchid13 It'd be pretty odd for a 16/17 year old guy to not have facial hair.
And there's no real logical reason to have teens shorter than adults, as I've mentioned above, tall teens are pretty normal.
Short teens are abnormal.
Honestly, the teens in TS4 are versions of the YA's/adults since they can pretty much do the same as the adults with different titles (i.e. "mess around" which is basically woohooing, promise rings which is basically engagement rings).
I feel there isn't much difference with them and the adults. The only difference is them being high schoolers and only being able to work part-time. That's about it. I frankly like the promise ring addition and the messing around but I'd like for a patch or two to make them more different from adults.
The teens problem in The Sims 4 is due to the fact that they are extremely similar to adults in almost every aspect. Their unique characteristics are so small, insignificant, and below the minimum that they are almost invisible. It's not really fun to play with teenagers like in the previous games because they are basically adults disguised as teenagers. They are teenagers with adult Sims gameplay, do not have pimples, great things for teenagers, conflicts with younger siblings, among other things. It's artificial.
@Movotti I didn't say teens couldn't be tall and skinny. I said there are adults who are just as thin as teens so that didn't make your sims stand out as teens. When I aged up Olivia Spencer Kim Lewis she was rail thin, as a young adult. Appearance isn't my real issue with TS4 teens, as I stated.
I don't mind how they look, but I would rather more teen specific content and interactions. Crushes, prom and other school events, teen parties, teen playable "jobs", more in-depth social media, snubbing, more interesting school in general like tests, more random events, learning to drive, pranking, etc. would make me feel better about them.
Just a few of the things I'd love to see. I'm not sure about in-depth social media. I'm not sure if that's expanded on in city living as I haven't gotten much time with it yet.
The teen appearance did bother me at one point, but I don't really mind it anymore. I have also come across teens that look like adults and eclipse me in height. I feel like this is an accurate height representation of late teens or even just 15+, but it wouldn't hurt to make the difference more obvious just for ease of differentiating them from YA.
I think teens in TS4 can look very teen-like
This is my main sim, he's a teen:
In the story I'm using him in, he's meant to be about 16/17
Look at that pose! Such attitude! Much teen!
This is his younger sister, she's a teen too.
She's supposed to be about 14/15
In their "school uniforms"
Their parents
Trash with their mother
Their father
I think they look like young adults
I think you need to look closer.
In this pic, everyone (except the teen on the edge of the pool) is a young adult.
They look different to my teens, a little older, a little more worldly.
I've found that teens tend to be more twig like than young adults.
What? Lol
Sorry, but are you blind? Or maybe just biased because the sim on the side on the pool looks *nothing* like a teen, to me. Not one bit. Sorry.
--T
ETA: if anything, he looks like Johnny Depp, a *young adult* JD, so props for that. He's a nice looking sim. Just doesn't look like a teenager in any shape, way or form. Nada.
I thought I would do a little throwback to The Sims 2 to highlight teen distinction:
This was EA marketing the new age groups introduced in The Sims 2, and in a way, their associated gameplay. While I think it is heavily stereotyped, I have said earlier that I think the point of those stereotypes is to make for interesting and unique gameplay that gives the impression you are playing with a distinct Sim life stage. It's not suppose to be a reflection of real life, but rather an idealised interpretation of it for the purposes of making a fun game.
As you can see from the image, the teens are smaller and look as though they are around 13-15 years old. They had their own unique gameplay that was limited in respect to adult capabilities, but expanded in terms of teen-exclusive activities such as sneaking out, acne or tormenting younger siblings.
Regarding gameplay, I think because the adult life stage in TS2 was marketed as being a Sim's prime, the teen life stage was suppose to be that "getting there, but not quite there yet". In other words, while teens had more privileges than children, they did not have the same privileges as adults. However, to make up for that, they had their own experiences. I think this made the adult life stage more desirable to play and is somewhat of an achievement to reach given its associated freedom.
Regarding their size, I think this served two purposes. It bridged the gap between child and adult and complemented their "less privileged" gameplay by implying they still had to grow both mentally and physically.
TS4 does not have this and instead I think there is a jarring gap between kids and adults. We know teen height was considered, but the budget that could've made them shorter was spent on what I'm guessing are the unique animations required for each emotional state. See here:
One, all adult animations on Sims 2 and Sims 3 had to be animated so they played back without obvious visual issues on teens. Because the teen's arms were shorter, this meant that animators could not hit the full range of poses possible for the character (e.g. the arms could almost never extend all the way). If you are an animator, you know that "extreme" (in the sense of fully extended) poses are important for expressiveness and animation quality. So in practice the shorter teen height meant that animations both on Sims 2 and 3 could never be as expressive as we wanted them to be.
Two, the height difference meant that there was a not insignificant amount of animation on Sims 2 and Sims 3 that could not be shared for technical reasons. In those cases we had to duplicate the adult animation and hand adjust it for the teen. Each case of this is "invisible" content, in the sense that it did not add any more stuff to do or special behavior to the game but ate up valuable animation time. It's hard to put a number on how much content we lost to this, but I can say with some confidence that teens in the Sims 2 and Sims 3 did have significantly fewer teen-specific interactions than we wanted to make for them because of the invisible work we had to do in order to support their size.
Our decision to do away with the shorter teen was really driven by a desire to improve animation quality, be able to make more fun content for the game in general (children, I believe, benefitted the most from this), and add more special behaviors for the teens themselves.
I agree when she says the animation quality was improved greatly, as TS4 did come with a ton of unique and smooth animations. However, as a result of this, teens have become somewhat morphed into the YA/A category, as some us here believe. I am fine with the fact that the animation budget was spent elsewhere, but after a couple of years playing teens in TS4 I have come to appreciate the idea of growth behind shorter teens and their corresponding gameplay in TS2.
I understand that people have come to interpret this change in teens in TS4 as freedom and how they reflect older teens in real life and that's cool. I just feel that the freedom teens possess makes them YA/A's who have to go to school and can only have part time jobs. As I mentioned in an earlier post and how others have stated here, the life stage feels so redundant that I could skip over it and not miss out on any real sense of unique growth in my Sim.
If for whatever reason devs would not make teens shorter, at least make their gameplay worthwhile. I love the idea of age-exclusive traits that have come with toddlers. Adding these on to every other life stage could help them become more unique. So you could have a rebellious teen, goody-two-shoes teen, or even some high school stereotypes that could either wear off or morph into other traits once adulthood is reached (It could also apply to elders who could have unique traits, such as "frail" or "lively" etc. etc).
And of course, yes, seeing what they did with toddlers gives me so much hope that they can pull of the same thing with teens, hence me speaking up about it more than ever
I'm glad you brought up the stereotype topic here @cameronw209 . I know people have a lot of issues with this, but then again I think people make the mistake of relating this game to the real world, after all it's just a game and for some reason it has turned into some moral thing, when it's just meant to be fun.
I actually miss having different CAS items for teens, y/a adults and elders. To start with we would have more content and not the same stuff. I honestly don't care if some mothers here start saying their son in real life looks taller or shorter than her, that's really common and I get it, but in this game you can't even tell them apart and the only teens I can tell apart are dangerously skinny it just looks creepy, and this is coming from a really skinny girl, i don't wanna offend anyone.
Also it bothers me when people have an issue with baby girls and boys being related to one color. I'm sorry but I'm glad boys wear green and girls wear yellow and I wish we could also get blue and pink oncies for babies. It just looks cute, it's something as simple as that.
Don't even get me started on allowing the same clothes for men and women. I have nothing against people who want this in the game, but the way they did it, is a hot mess. I mean having random townies wearing a suit with heels, that's just ridiculous I'm sorry. It shouldn't be forced on us, specially cause the whole patch had a million issues.
And finally I personally love playing with stereotypes in my game. I love having girly sims, punk sims, athletes, geeks. It's just fun
I think teens in TS4 can look very teen-like
This is my main sim, he's a teen:
In the story I'm using him in, he's meant to be about 16/17
Look at that pose! Such attitude! Much teen!
This is his younger sister, she's a teen too.
She's supposed to be about 14/15
In their "school uniforms"
Their parents
Trash with their mother
Their father
I think they look like young adults
I think you need to look closer.
In this pic, everyone (except the teen on the edge of the pool) is a young adult.
They look different to my teens, a little older, a little more worldly.
I've found that teens tend to be more twig like than young adults.
What? Lol
Sorry, but are you blind? Or maybe just biased because the sim on the side on the pool looks *nothing* like a teen, to me. Not one bit. Sorry.
--T
ETA: if anything, he looks like Johnny Depp, a *young adult* JD, so props for that. He's a nice looking sim. Just doesn't look like a teenager in any shape, way or form. Nada.
Are you blind I get what they are saying because I have noticed that to that they are alot skinnier then YA sometimes and that looks like a teen to me.
Teens aren't necessarily skinnier than adults, so if that defines the difference that would be rather limited imo. Besides, how can you tell them apart then from skinny adults in your game? I seriously can't tell the examples in this topic being teens and I'm not blind Like this one:
She could be 30 as far as I'm concerned.
I agree, she looks like a full grown woman to me. And the hairstyle doesn't help. It would help if they at least made softer teen faces. They modeled the faces after young adults. If would work better if we could also use the model faces from the children to make younger looking teens.
Have people here never been to all-ages gigs?
I used to, just about weekly.
It was hard to tell the difference between the teenagers, and those who were in their early 20s.
Someone could be 16 or they could be 21.
The best way to tell if a person was over 18, was if they were wearing the wristband you needed for bar staff to allow you to buy a drink, or if they had tattoos, or not. Everyone was usually dressed much the same: jeans and tshirts. Hairstyles and piercings didn't seem to change much, whether you were 13 or 30.
Teens usually try to look older than they really are, and people who are older, often try to look younger.
I think teens in TS4 can look very teen-like
This is my main sim, he's a teen:
In the story I'm using him in, he's meant to be about 16/17
Look at that pose! Such attitude! Much teen!
This is his younger sister, she's a teen too.
She's supposed to be about 14/15
In their "school uniforms"
Their parents
Trash with their mother
Their father
I think they look like young adults
I think you need to look closer.
In this pic, everyone (except the teen on the edge of the pool) is a young adult.
They look different to my teens, a little older, a little more worldly.
I've found that teens tend to be more twig like than young adults.
What? Lol
Sorry, but are you blind? Or maybe just biased because the sim on the side on the pool looks *nothing* like a teen, to me. Not one bit. Sorry.
--T
ETA: if anything, he looks like Johnny Depp, a *young adult* JD, so props for that. He's a nice looking sim. Just doesn't look like a teenager in any shape, way or form. Nada.
Are you blind I get what they are saying because I have noticed that to that they are alot skinnier then YA sometimes and that looks like a teen to me.
Teens aren't necessarily skinnier than adults, so if that defines the difference that would be rather limited imo. Besides, how can you tell them apart then from skinny adults in your game? I seriously can't tell the examples in this topic being teens and I'm not blind Like this one:
She could be 30 as far as I'm concerned.
I agree, she looks like a full grown woman to me. And the hairstyle doesn't help. It would help if they at least made softer teen faces. They modeled the faces after young adults. If would work better if we could also use the model faces from the children to make younger looking teens.
The hairstyle looks like a teen one to me.
She's got a soft-looking face, with no lines around her eyes nor mouth.
If anything she looks skinnier to me. Sharper features.
It would be interesting to compare same sims by the way, not one sim to the other. Though that wouldn't mean much because I think we should be able to recognize a teen in the game when they pass by, immediately. Just like irl.
I think they could make teen pregnancy a lesson. Going to school, taking care of a baby and working part time to support yourself and your baby. They could throw a lot of things into it to make it hard. Who knows, maybe a teen would think twice about taking that chance, if they saw what it could be like while playing a game.
That awkward moment when you are like "🐸🐸🐸🐸 (he/she) IS CUTE!" then you go over and try to romance them and realize their a teen... Way to make me a 🐸🐸🐸🐸, game!
That awkward moment when you are like "plum (he/she) IS CUTE!" then you go over and try to romance them and realize their a teen... Way to make me a plum, game!
That's realism right there!
In real life, you don't usually ID people before you try to chat them up.
I actually love how independent the teens are. At 13, I was taller than my mom (which tbh doesn't take much.) You can make the teen sims actual teens with a tad more gameplay. Teen sim mouthing off? Make them cook dinner instead of going over to their girl/boyfriends house. Make them have mood swings by using certain interactions. Dress them differently.
And also, I feel as though it's a bit much to ask for preteens when we just got toddlers this year. What additional gameplay would they have? I honestly do not see the point.
The thing I do is dress teens appropriately. Sundresses and nonrevealing attire for girls and sneakers, jeans and T-Shirts for boys. No heavy makeup either. I also choose more ponytails and kid like hairstyles for them. It gives more separation between them and adults.
Exactly. That's what I do too and I feel like my teens do look like teens. Just because all the clothes and make up options are available for teens it doesn't mean you have to use them. Also there are some outfits (e.g. The football jacket) that I only use on my teens, so I feel like they're different somehow.
I pretty much don't use makeup on teen girls other than with their formal and party wear. At the most I might use a very lightly tinted lipstick which can pass for tinted lip balm. I have a few outfits I only use for teens, and there'll likely be more with the new pack out next Tuesday (I'll be doing a lot of style makeovers).
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I can totally appreciate people are rowing with the oars they've got and this is not about slating the game. But this whole excusing these teens looks a lot like excusing no toddlers in the past to me. Why won't people just agree that EA, darn, please have your life stages right? Doesn't mean you hate the game when you say that. They simply could and should me a whole lot better. Maybe they will in behaviour at least one day. Hope so.
My biggest gripe over teens is as they were in Sims3. Short, obviously no older than 14 and yet they can drive? While I do admit, it's very hard to distinguish teens from YAs in Sims 4, I do appreciate their height. I think what we need is some teen-specific clothing, hair styles, and interactions. "Kiss on neck" is not exclusively a 'teen' thing. Let's get real. I'm not making excuses. If EA does give us two stages of teenhood, that would be my heart's desire. Right now, we have one size teen fits all. Should we get all up in arms over the fact that the female Sims are taller than all of the male Sims, too? Personally, I'm short. I stopped growing when I reached the lofty height of five foot three and a half inches. That's it, folks. Most men, and most people are taller than me. That's MY norm. As for teens, they come in all sizes and shapes. Most of them gradually gain their height over time. Out of my three grown children, the only one NOT taller than me is my first child and only daughter. I've got that half-inch over her.
If we're to grouse over things in the game, please let it be about the unfixed bugs, to date.
I think teens in TS4 can look very teen-like
This is my main sim, he's a teen:
In the story I'm using him in, he's meant to be about 16/17
Look at that pose! Such attitude! Much teen!
This is his younger sister, she's a teen too.
She's supposed to be about 14/15
In their "school uniforms"
Their parents
Trash with their mother
Their father
I think they look like young adults
I think you need to look closer.
In this pic, everyone (except the teen on the edge of the pool) is a young adult.
They look different to my teens, a little older, a little more worldly.
I've found that teens tend to be more twig like than young adults.
If you didn't tell me that he was a teen I would have taken him to be a young adult. There is nothing to distinguish that he is a teen.
But like I said in another thread, it's not to much about the height for me. Yes, in Sims 2 and Sims 3 the height difference is a visual cue so that the player knows that these sims are teens. But it's the over all actions of the teens in the game. They are basically carbon copies of young adults, and that is what needs to be changed the most. They need to behave like teens. And right now they don't.
It's a toss up for me on this subject I feel that teens do look very more mature than in past games but I also see how the world is around us I remember back in middle school there was boys and girls that looked like they were in their 20s. One of my friends enjoys the sim teens better now but I would much rather them look just a little younger I remember in sims3 everyone of my teens had a pudgy kind of baby face and the moment they aged into young adult it went away. The way I make my sim teens look younger now is I try to lower their makeup load I try to give them just a simple lip gloss and even a bit of a messier hair style. On top of that I try to dress them in more covered clothing I try not to let them wear anything to revealing.
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She could be 30 as far as I'm concerned.
The teens in your part of the world must be very strange looking.
Tall and skinny is pretty normal here for teens.
I was as tall as many adults when I was about 15, and though I never reached my goal of 6ft, I still towered over many of my teachers by 16.
I've known a lot of teens who towered over their parents by 15/16
I've known a lot of people who are easily as tall as their mothers by 12/13.
@Orchid13 It'd be pretty odd for a 16/17 year old guy to not have facial hair.
And there's no real logical reason to have teens shorter than adults, as I've mentioned above, tall teens are pretty normal.
Short teens are abnormal.
I'm really not seeing it.
I feel there isn't much difference with them and the adults. The only difference is them being high schoolers and only being able to work part-time. That's about it. I frankly like the promise ring addition and the messing around but I'd like for a patch or two to make them more different from adults.
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I'm going to blame a lack of caffeine.
Everytime I read/post here, and miss things, it's always before I've had enough coffee to be functional.
Just a few of the things I'd love to see. I'm not sure about in-depth social media. I'm not sure if that's expanded on in city living as I haven't gotten much time with it yet.
The teen appearance did bother me at one point, but I don't really mind it anymore. I have also come across teens that look like adults and eclipse me in height. I feel like this is an accurate height representation of late teens or even just 15+, but it wouldn't hurt to make the difference more obvious just for ease of differentiating them from YA.
I couldn't agree more, especially the girl.
Have to give you a like for this one.
I agree, she looks like a full grown woman to me. And the hairstyle doesn't help. It would help if they at least made softer teen faces. They modeled the faces after young adults. If would work better if we could also use the model faces from the children to make younger looking teens.
I used to, just about weekly.
It was hard to tell the difference between the teenagers, and those who were in their early 20s.
Someone could be 16 or they could be 21.
The best way to tell if a person was over 18, was if they were wearing the wristband you needed for bar staff to allow you to buy a drink, or if they had tattoos, or not. Everyone was usually dressed much the same: jeans and tshirts. Hairstyles and piercings didn't seem to change much, whether you were 13 or 30.
Teens usually try to look older than they really are, and people who are older, often try to look younger.
The hairstyle looks like a teen one to me.
She's got a soft-looking face, with no lines around her eyes nor mouth.
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If anything she looks skinnier to me. Sharper features.
It would be interesting to compare same sims by the way, not one sim to the other. Though that wouldn't mean much because I think we should be able to recognize a teen in the game when they pass by, immediately. Just like irl.
That's realism right there!
In real life, you don't usually ID people before you try to chat them up.
And also, I feel as though it's a bit much to ask for preteens when we just got toddlers this year. What additional gameplay would they have? I honestly do not see the point.
I pretty much don't use makeup on teen girls other than with their formal and party wear. At the most I might use a very lightly tinted lipstick which can pass for tinted lip balm. I have a few outfits I only use for teens, and there'll likely be more with the new pack out next Tuesday (I'll be doing a lot of style makeovers).
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My biggest gripe over teens is as they were in Sims3. Short, obviously no older than 14 and yet they can drive?
If we're to grouse over things in the game, please let it be about the unfixed bugs, to date.
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If you didn't tell me that he was a teen I would have taken him to be a young adult. There is nothing to distinguish that he is a teen.
But like I said in another thread, it's not to much about the height for me. Yes, in Sims 2 and Sims 3 the height difference is a visual cue so that the player knows that these sims are teens. But it's the over all actions of the teens in the game. They are basically carbon copies of young adults, and that is what needs to be changed the most. They need to behave like teens. And right now they don't.