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    SilentKittySilentKitty Posts: 4,665 Member
    edited November 2023
    I regularly post in the positive and negative threads, for me it works great.

    I am looking forward to the pack but I realize that different features might not be implemented in a way that I like.

    Will continue to hang out in the positive thread because I really do like having fun and dreaming about how it could work out. That said, there is a reason that I remain offline and only update a few times a year and it is not just the mods. A feature might be really badly implemented, a severe bug might be hidden in the patch or something else.

    I stay offline for the patch prior to the pack. The patch fixing all the stuff after the pack met real life simmers with all the packs installed. After we have a patche with “we fixed these 5 smalls bugs and gave you a new armchair” and all the modders say “all my mods are fine” that is when I go online.

    Just saying the high school patch with werewolves running feral while playing with their phones. I missed that patch and could go in with mods for it later. It would have made me unable to play.

    The occult sims are often forgotten when it comes to testing new content it seems and the occult are of high importance to me so it is down periscope and staying solo for me.
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    SweetieWright_84SweetieWright_84 Posts: 4,132 Member
    My negative thoughts:
    My first thought was City Living 2.0? I rarely say something should have been in (insert pack here) but from what I've seen, it should have been in City Living. We did get talking toilets in City Living though 🙄.

    I'll probably still get it eventually but I don't think I've seen anything new in the trailer. I'm not one to get annoyed by reused animations because to me it leaves room in the budget for more fleshed out features (at least I hope it does) but it all feels the same as things we already have. The infected sim has the same animation as rabid rodent fever.

    I hope the livestream, assuming there is one, will reveal more interesting gameplay.
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    DaraviDaravi Posts: 1,153 Member
    edited November 2023
    I just saw the trailer, my only negative point so far is the choice of music for this trailer. That beep sound was nerve-wrecking and disturbing to me . I had to muted it and watch the trailer again. I'm too sensitive for that sound, and I hear deep tones badly, so it was an overload. I guess I'm the only one, the other comments applaud for that song. On the ep it self I'm looking forward it, negative things like stll no bands will shown anyway with further information, but so far the positive things are in majority. 2 new kind of kids play which don't need technology, I love it.
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    MichelleWMichelleW Posts: 665 Member
    I'm wondering if the tenants are going to come in the same way that roommates come, like the tenants won't be playable and apartments will be limited to one sim per apartment. I hope that isn't the case.
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    InuMiroLoverInuMiroLover Posts: 1,184 Member
    As much as Im looking forward to this pack, I am bit concerned as to how many separate families can live on one lot. I know its been buzzing around that only 2 families can share the lot which honestly isnt great sounding. Id be pretty pleased if say 3 households could live on a single lot.
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    Atreya33Atreya33 Posts: 4,493 Member
    I am a bit disappointed about the city feeling. I was hoping for a new urban environment like city living with large buildings. This looks more like a town, not a city. It looks nice but we could do with another real city in the game at this point.
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    SimmingalSimmingal Posts: 9,105 Member
    edited November 2023
    I like to think the other threads about the pack are the mixed opinion threads and the positive and negative are just for the more specifically what you are mega excited about or disappointed about

    then again yeah i tend to have hard time staying in subject sometimes
    like ill be complaining about croptops and then suddenly note theres actually not that many mini shorts
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    DianesimsDianesims Posts: 2,899 Member

    Right ? All I’ve seen in the trailer regarding pools is I think a new pool trim and a new floatie.
    I'm really excited about this pack but I see some negatives as well.

    Pool parties being introduced but no pool slides or pool waterfalls.

    No hotels.



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    ValravnWitchValravnWitch Posts: 94 Member
    Landlord stuff really isnt my interest so I was and still am not excited for this pack.
    But now after the trailer...the pack seems so split, many disconnected features, feels again like "jack of all traits, master of none".
    Nothing about the landlord thing looks interesting to me, very mundane. And renting? Yeah we can already do that...breaking and entering? I guess its new for non vampires...stealing is nothing new...blackmail (here through snooping) came with strangerville.

    Hoppscotch and marbles are cool but I feel like they shouldve been in Growing Together.

    Yay...more ..food...and another food centered event...wow....sure my foodie sims will love it, but we just had a food centered SP so I wasnt really starved for that (haha, get it? starved...).

    I do however like the new death, bb and world look great and I am very interested in the animal sanctuary which they didnt really show.

    Also....we didnt have poolparties already??? Obviously I dont throw many parties in the sims :D

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    ULIBABA66ULIBABA66 Posts: 2,054 Member
    g01denswan wrote: »
    The only negatives I have are the new death and burglars. I hope there is a way to avoid or turn off the death as I spend a lot of time creating and skilling up my sims so don’t want them to die. As for the burglars, I hope only active sims can burglarize others so my sims can avoid being burglarized. I don’t want their stuff stolen when I’m playing another household.

    Yeah me neither. I never got the hype for burglars in The Sims 4, why would Simmers want their households to be at risk of getting robbed, but maybe for challenge or jumpscares? But personally, I am maybe in the minority too, but I will be quite happy even if burglars are not forced in everyone's game saves with no option to turn them off. This was what people complained when Vampires was released, but they did add a setting for the door to not let vampires in with their vampire powers, so I hope there would be an option in the settings to turn bulglar break-ins off, too, for players who don't want them. And wouldn't burglars make more sense after cars will be added to the game too? Police cars would also make sense because of immersion and more, in that case I could try it for challenge, but I hope even if they do add burglars there will be a turn off toggle <3
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    ULIBABA66ULIBABA66 Posts: 2,054 Member
    LSM36 wrote: »
    There are only a few things I'm a little I guess concerned about. I've never been a fan of burglars, hated then actually. The Sims 3 barely worked for me but guess what did. Those guys, and zombies. At least burglars go away if you had the alarm. But that was pre-cheats beginning playing the sims me. And I wasn't super good at it, and rarely had the money for the alarm right away. 🙃 And tended to forget I needed it (mostly bc my game was so unstable I couldn't play it often) until they had already robbed me. Deep hate of those guys. Also fences Do Not keep the zombies out of your hard grown garden 😤. I digress.

    So not super glad to see these guys back. While it's very interesting to see they've evolved, and it starts with snooping and casing the joint, I want a toggle. And several alarms. Like if I can't turn the burglary off entirely, I need a way to make sure none of MY sims deal with it. Not in houses or apartments. And maybe a really good security system option for the apartment itself. Like this is definitely one of those features where it's like some people love it but others hate it. I'm fine with werewolves running around everywhere, other people hated it. Toggle. I vote for a toggle for this.

    Second thing, so like we're not getting bed and breakfast or hotels or any of that are we? Like I read the blog post "create a variety of dwellings, including townhomes, duplexes, apartments, and more!" All great, super even happy to see it. I just feel like if any of that "more" option included actual businesses outside of multifamily branching into other aspects of the hospitality industry, they would've mentioned at least one. Or mentioned traveling to this new world in the post, rather than simply "moving".

    Like don't get me wrong I am excited, wait this is the negative thread I don't have to qualify my emotions. I wanted more than apartments. I like apartments wanted them for years. I feel like this all looks super nice. But several of these features should have already been in game. And it feels like this entire pack concept is things that should've been in game including giving more representation of places outside of America and Western Europe. But like tbh mostly America. And if they were finally giving the community what it wanted and deserved they could've given just a bit more to round it out. Especially since we've spent truly insane amounts of money on this game at this point.

    Like seriously still don't even have fairies. When this game came out I wasn't even 20 yet. And now I'm pushing 30. That's a long time for people to still not have things you have provided before especially when you have a "better" format than before. And you're trying to convince then to by the next one.

    So yeah I'm a little let down by not having multifunctional lots that allow live-in business, hotels, etc. And the fact that no mention has been made of elevators concerns me. Especially since this pack is obviously perfect to give us some usable ones. And that would be the perfect tie in for more diversity in representation of those with disabilities. And being able to build apartments that can accommodate those. Even the small things like having handicap buttons would be nice.

    Other than that though, I already said the things I did quite like in the positive thread. 😌

    Wait did some people really expect more big main features like fairies and hotels in For Rent pack? Wow…I personally expected features that have to do with the rental/neighborly theme that they teased to us before. :smiley: would you really want them to shoehorn incomplete systems like resorts in this EP? Get to Work suffered from this, they should have separated retail/Open for business aspect for another pack in my opinion, and now I do feel like there is a high chance that the reason why we may not be getting major pack refreshes is because those things like shopping malls and deeper retail gameplay will get added in new packs instead. EA/Maxis is actually quite genious for this, in a business/commercial sense. But at least they have more budget to add more content for these new packs because we will get some substantial base game updates too, so I kind of understand that their technique of ”splitting themes to separate packs” works for them. It is capitalism, but I secretly love buying more DLC for this game :lol:
    And yes the apartment/rental thing could have been part of City Living technically, but this same thing happened with Horse Ranch, people thought it could have been part of Cats & Dogs, so I am not too surprised. Mixed feelings for me, but I will love the new customization tools for residential rental lots. Preordered already <3
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    ULIBABA66ULIBABA66 Posts: 2,054 Member
    Very concerned about the max limit for apartments per lot now…they didn't apparently confirm it when some people asked on Twitter and I am not on Twitter so this is worrying me. Hopefully it's not only 4 apartments per lot, would be kind of lame…
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    LJKLJK Posts: 266 Member
    edited November 2023
    Dunno if this post belongs in the Negative thread since I'm kinda meh on this pack. I don't expect the world to be that interesting because the worlds in this game never are. I don't have much use for property ownership, unless it works similarly to TS3 and I can own numerous lots and generate an income from them. That'd be cool.

    Always down for more recipes, so that's something, I guess. I can't explain it, but I really enjoy watching my Sims cook food in this game. A lot of the trailer is Sims interacting organically, which we know doesn't happen. That new death is a little interesting, though. But I expect it to be very easy to avoid.

    Apparently 5 new traits are coming to this pack, one of them I think is exclusive to Elders. I'm fairly interested in that, I tend to enjoy the Loyal trait, though admittedly, it doesn't do much at all.

    Overall, as others have expressed, it feels like City Living 2.0 (though it doesn't really look like a city). I expect this to be a pack builders will primarily enjoy.

    EDIT: Also, if this is some kind of system in which it's numerous homes in one, is the household limit going to increase? Doubt it, but I feel like that would help.
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    BonxieBonxie Posts: 5,699 Member
    I don't really have anything negative to say except that I'm not interested in this topic at all. I wouldn't have voted for a pack like that. But I'm still happy with the horse ranch pack, so go ahead EA. I already got my share.
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    BlueR0seBlueR0se Posts: 1,610 Member
    Kind of feel like this is what City Living shouldve been and almost feel like this shouldve been a pack refresh for it. But the Thai world is nice and EA has to make money so...*sigh*

    My only concern gameplay wise is how big the max amount of people per lot is going to be. Im not interested in being a landlord but the rent system itself would be great in theory for big extended families living together on a single lot. Wouldve loved that in my historical saves.
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    Lenny_OggLenny_Ogg Posts: 3,696 Member

    Since they didn't mention anything about the animal sanctuary I fear it's a rabbit hole and that's really disappointing.
    'You step into the animal sanctuary. Oh! There is an elephant! Isn't that exciting?'
    No, it isn't. It's the year 2023 and not 1983 when we used to play text adventures. Oh my -.-
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    GordyGordy Posts: 3,048 Member
    Lenny_Ogg wrote: »
    Since they didn't mention anything about the animal sanctuary I fear it's a rabbit hole and that's really disappointing.
    'You step into the animal sanctuary. Oh! There is an elephant! Isn't that exciting?'
    No, it isn't. It's the year 2023 and not 1983 when we used to play text adventures. Oh my -.-
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    This. It was the feature I was looking forward to the most, and they didn't even show it.
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    ValravnWitchValravnWitch Posts: 94 Member
    Lenny_Ogg wrote: »
    Since they didn't mention anything about the animal sanctuary I fear it's a rabbit hole and that's really disappointing.
    'You step into the animal sanctuary. Oh! There is an elephant! Isn't that exciting?'
    No, it isn't. It's the year 2023 and not 1983 when we used to play text adventures. Oh my -.-
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    Dear god, I hope not....
    we saw a sim who had a batch with a pawprint on it and she gestured sonething that looked like a tiger hissing to me, plus the tiger plushies...so I really, really hope we can see an actual tiger if we visit the sanctuary, and maybe be able to work there?
    All tho Im trying not to get my hopes up....
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    EnkiSchmidtEnkiSchmidt Posts: 5,366 Member
    One gripe, two fears.
    - "Tenants can face eviction". Okay, but PLEASE restrict this to units owned by unplayed sims. If a played sim owns a property, the game should never evict a tenant of theirs except I do it myself while playing the landlord.
    - "If rating drops too low, landlords may face a tenant revolt". Sounds fun on first glance, but what if if want to play a trailer park, that is constantly at the lowest rating and tenants are lucky to have that space at all? In this case I'd face a daily revolt... A toggle for revolts would be nice.
    - Would have loved an urban district, ideally a slum, instead of yet another cosy neighborhood.
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    LSM36LSM36 Posts: 593 Member
    ULIBABA66 wrote: »
    LSM36 wrote: »
    There are only a few things I'm a little I guess concerned about. I've never been a fan of burglars, hated then actually. The Sims 3 barely worked for me but guess what did. Those guys, and zombies. At least burglars go away if you had the alarm. But that was pre-cheats beginning playing the sims me. And I wasn't super good at it, and rarely had the money for the alarm right away. 🙃 And tended to forget I needed it (mostly bc my game was so unstable I couldn't play it often) until they had already robbed me. Deep hate of those guys. Also fences Do Not keep the zombies out of your hard grown garden 😤. I digress.

    So not super glad to see these guys back. While it's very interesting to see they've evolved, and it starts with snooping and casing the joint, I want a toggle. And several alarms. Like if I can't turn the burglary off entirely, I need a way to make sure none of MY sims deal with it. Not in houses or apartments. And maybe a really good security system option for the apartment itself. Like this is definitely one of those features where it's like some people love it but others hate it. I'm fine with werewolves running around everywhere, other people hated it. Toggle. I vote for a toggle for this.

    Second thing, so like we're not getting bed and breakfast or hotels or any of that are we? Like I read the blog post "create a variety of dwellings, including townhomes, duplexes, apartments, and more!" All great, super even happy to see it. I just feel like if any of that "more" option included actual businesses outside of multifamily branching into other aspects of the hospitality industry, they would've mentioned at least one. Or mentioned traveling to this new world in the post, rather than simply "moving".

    Like don't get me wrong I am excited, wait this is the negative thread I don't have to qualify my emotions. I wanted more than apartments. I like apartments wanted them for years. I feel like this all looks super nice. But several of these features should have already been in game. And it feels like this entire pack concept is things that should've been in game including giving more representation of places outside of America and Western Europe. But like tbh mostly America. And if they were finally giving the community what it wanted and deserved they could've given just a bit more to round it out. Especially since we've spent truly insane amounts of money on this game at this point.

    Like seriously still don't even have fairies. When this game came out I wasn't even 20 yet. And now I'm pushing 30. That's a long time for people to still not have things you have provided before especially when you have a "better" format than before. And you're trying to convince then to by the next one.

    So yeah I'm a little let down by not having multifunctional lots that allow live-in business, hotels, etc. And the fact that no mention has been made of elevators concerns me. Especially since this pack is obviously perfect to give us some usable ones. And that would be the perfect tie in for more diversity in representation of those with disabilities. And being able to build apartments that can accommodate those. Even the small things like having handicap buttons would be nice.

    Other than that though, I already said the things I did quite like in the positive thread. 😌

    Wait did some people really expect more big main features like fairies and hotels in For Rent pack? Wow…I personally expected features that have to do with the rental/neighborly theme that they teased to us before. :smiley: would you really want them to shoehorn incomplete systems like resorts in this EP? Get to Work suffered from this, they should have separated retail/Open for business aspect for another pack in my opinion, and now I do feel like there is a high chance that the reason why we may not be getting major pack refreshes is because those things like shopping malls and deeper retail gameplay will get added in new packs instead. EA/Maxis is actually quite genious for this, in a business/commercial sense. But at least they have more budget to add more content for these new packs because we will get some substantial base game updates too, so I kind of understand that their technique of ”splitting themes to separate packs” works for them. It is capitalism, but I secretly love buying more DLC for this game :lol:
    And yes the apartment/rental thing could have been part of City Living technically, but this same thing happened with Horse Ranch, people thought it could have been part of Cats & Dogs, so I am not too surprised. Mixed feelings for me, but I will love the new customization tools for residential rental lots. Preordered already <3

    I think you read what I said and missed what I meant a bit. I didn't say I wanted fairies in this pack. Though yes I do think a pack about owning real estate could've been about owning various forms of real estate, especially depending on how they decided to do the systems. They decided to go super focused on renting apartments, okay. If it had been about managing rental properties, having a b&b still would've worked. A small get away would have worked. Heck adding in and air b&b type feature would've also worked. And still could've kept similar focus as they chose to do.

    That's the first thing. The second is that what I was condemning was, despite this pack being interesting in it's own ways (which I already addressed in the positive thread) , the game keeps feeling undone. And not in a rush to end it and move on to the next iteration way. In a we keep asking for things that we already had, or things that definitely should've come in previous packs that fell short in some way. And because of that, we aren't getting NEW ideas. We are getting recycled things in prettier packaging. Spending over and over again. Because we still don't have the things we wanted. We're finally getting apartments that We control. But, and I gave this as an example of a thing I had wanted for a Long time and still don't have, fairies still aren't here. All the occults were broken into separate packs. And fairies in particular were teased all year. We literally got horses, and instead of adding a unicorn they added a fake horn accessory. Give it a few more cycles and we may get a fairy pack that they'll expect us to shell out cash for. Just as we do for this pack. And more money if they decide that adding Vacation rentals is a good idea afterall.

    You praised this practice and said you don't mind spending all that extra money. That's your prerogative. I don't like the practice. I don't like feeling like a fool whenever a new sims pack comes out. Even if it's one I like. So the best I can do is wait for it to go on sale. But oh if you do that for EP you'll miss out on the extra items that they added. Just to get a broken and buggy pack.

    My point was, as nice as the good parts are, there are some downfalls. Even just in the content of the pack. But especially in the way it was put together and the practices. But atp it's fine bc the Sims 4 is the last sims game I'm going to support.
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    jcp011c2jcp011c2 Posts: 10,873 Member
    FWIW i'm still planning to buy this pack...but this really still feels like it should have been a GP at most. The build/buy will drag me in as usual of course.

    It's also annoying that it seems like the game is soooo close to hotels with this pack, but they just stopped short. It does give me home for a hotels pack though which would be more useful to me personally than the rental systems looks to be.

    Still..that build/buy content, gotta have it.
    It's kind of sad that I have to point out that anything I say is only just my opinion and may be a different one from someone else.
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    ULIBABA66ULIBABA66 Posts: 2,054 Member
    jcp011c2 wrote: »
    FWIW i'm still planning to buy this pack...but this really still feels like it should have been a GP at most. The build/buy will drag me in as usual of course.

    It's also annoying that it seems like the game is soooo close to hotels with this pack, but they just stopped short. It does give me home for a hotels pack though which would be more useful to me personally than the rental systems looks to be.

    Still..that build/buy content, gotta have it.

    I still have hope for a hotels/resorts pack of its own, I never expected this "For Rent" EP to include such a big another main feature like hotels anyway but yeah...I hope there can be more than 4 apartments per residential rental lot at least <3
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    crocobauracrocobaura Posts: 7,508 Member
    As much as Im looking forward to this pack, I am bit concerned as to how many separate families can live on one lot. I know its been buzzing around that only 2 families can share the lot which honestly isnt great sounding. Id be pretty pleased if say 3 households could live on a single lot.

    It could be that the limit is not on the number of families, but rather on the number of sims, so then the number of families is dictated by how large your families are. You could have 8 households of single sims or maybe three households made of total of 8 sims.
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    ULIBABA66ULIBABA66 Posts: 2,054 Member
    LSM36 wrote: »
    ULIBABA66 wrote: »
    LSM36 wrote: »
    There are only a few things I'm a little I guess concerned about. I've never been a fan of burglars, hated then actually. The Sims 3 barely worked for me but guess what did. Those guys, and zombies. At least burglars go away if you had the alarm. But that was pre-cheats beginning playing the sims me. And I wasn't super good at it, and rarely had the money for the alarm right away. 🙃 And tended to forget I needed it (mostly bc my game was so unstable I couldn't play it often) until they had already robbed me. Deep hate of those guys. Also fences Do Not keep the zombies out of your hard grown garden 😤. I digress.

    So not super glad to see these guys back. While it's very interesting to see they've evolved, and it starts with snooping and casing the joint, I want a toggle. And several alarms. Like if I can't turn the burglary off entirely, I need a way to make sure none of MY sims deal with it. Not in houses or apartments. And maybe a really good security system option for the apartment itself. Like this is definitely one of those features where it's like some people love it but others hate it. I'm fine with werewolves running around everywhere, other people hated it. Toggle. I vote for a toggle for this.

    Second thing, so like we're not getting bed and breakfast or hotels or any of that are we? Like I read the blog post "create a variety of dwellings, including townhomes, duplexes, apartments, and more!" All great, super even happy to see it. I just feel like if any of that "more" option included actual businesses outside of multifamily branching into other aspects of the hospitality industry, they would've mentioned at least one. Or mentioned traveling to this new world in the post, rather than simply "moving".

    Like don't get me wrong I am excited, wait this is the negative thread I don't have to qualify my emotions. I wanted more than apartments. I like apartments wanted them for years. I feel like this all looks super nice. But several of these features should have already been in game. And it feels like this entire pack concept is things that should've been in game including giving more representation of places outside of America and Western Europe. But like tbh mostly America. And if they were finally giving the community what it wanted and deserved they could've given just a bit more to round it out. Especially since we've spent truly insane amounts of money on this game at this point.

    Like seriously still don't even have fairies. When this game came out I wasn't even 20 yet. And now I'm pushing 30. That's a long time for people to still not have things you have provided before especially when you have a "better" format than before. And you're trying to convince then to by the next one.

    So yeah I'm a little let down by not having multifunctional lots that allow live-in business, hotels, etc. And the fact that no mention has been made of elevators concerns me. Especially since this pack is obviously perfect to give us some usable ones. And that would be the perfect tie in for more diversity in representation of those with disabilities. And being able to build apartments that can accommodate those. Even the small things like having handicap buttons would be nice.

    Other than that though, I already said the things I did quite like in the positive thread. 😌

    Wait did some people really expect more big main features like fairies and hotels in For Rent pack? Wow…I personally expected features that have to do with the rental/neighborly theme that they teased to us before. :smiley: would you really want them to shoehorn incomplete systems like resorts in this EP? Get to Work suffered from this, they should have separated retail/Open for business aspect for another pack in my opinion, and now I do feel like there is a high chance that the reason why we may not be getting major pack refreshes is because those things like shopping malls and deeper retail gameplay will get added in new packs instead. EA/Maxis is actually quite genious for this, in a business/commercial sense. But at least they have more budget to add more content for these new packs because we will get some substantial base game updates too, so I kind of understand that their technique of ”splitting themes to separate packs” works for them. It is capitalism, but I secretly love buying more DLC for this game :lol:
    And yes the apartment/rental thing could have been part of City Living technically, but this same thing happened with Horse Ranch, people thought it could have been part of Cats & Dogs, so I am not too surprised. Mixed feelings for me, but I will love the new customization tools for residential rental lots. Preordered already <3

    I think you read what I said and missed what I meant a bit. I didn't say I wanted fairies in this pack. Though yes I do think a pack about owning real estate could've been about owning various forms of real estate, especially depending on how they decided to do the systems. They decided to go super focused on renting apartments, okay. If it had been about managing rental properties, having a b&b still would've worked. A small get away would have worked. Heck adding in and air b&b type feature would've also worked. And still could've kept similar focus as they chose to do.

    That's the first thing. The second is that what I was condemning was, despite this pack being interesting in it's own ways (which I already addressed in the positive thread) , the game keeps feeling undone. And not in a rush to end it and move on to the next iteration way. In a we keep asking for things that we already had, or things that definitely should've come in previous packs that fell short in some way. And because of that, we aren't getting NEW ideas. We are getting recycled things in prettier packaging. Spending over and over again. Because we still don't have the things we wanted. We're finally getting apartments that We control. But, and I gave this as an example of a thing I had wanted for a Long time and still don't have, fairies still aren't here. All the occults were broken into separate packs. And fairies in particular were teased all year. We literally got horses, and instead of adding a unicorn they added a fake horn accessory. Give it a few more cycles and we may get a fairy pack that they'll expect us to shell out cash for. Just as we do for this pack. And more money if they decide that adding Vacation rentals is a good idea afterall.

    You praised this practice and said you don't mind spending all that extra money. That's your prerogative. I don't like the practice. I don't like feeling like a fool whenever a new sims pack comes out. Even if it's one I like. So the best I can do is wait for it to go on sale. But oh if you do that for EP you'll miss out on the extra items that they added. Just to get a broken and buggy pack.

    My point was, as nice as the good parts are, there are some downfalls. Even just in the content of the pack. But especially in the way it was put together and the practices. But atp it's fine bc the Sims 4 is the last sims game I'm going to support.

    This was never meant to be a full real estate pack the way they mention residential rental lots and property management, this clearly is not including those features. Why would we assume just because this EP didn't include community lot ownership or other real estate features means we will not get them in some other EP like a more Business-focused EP? And yes I know we got Get To Work but recently it feels like the pack refresh idea has been revamped into this paid DLC model, so would we really be that surprised if we got Shopping Malls, Home Business and Real Estate (venues ownership) and other entrepreneur features we currently don't have in its own pack? I wouldn't be personally surprised, also cars seem to be confirmed to be in the works the way they reply to TikToks even yesterday or today. I saw them replying on someone's comment about cars so I am not going to pretend to be shocked when they get officially announced, which seems like it will happen sometime around February-March 2024? That is just my prediction but we will see. Also if next year starts off with Fairies GP or Grim Reaper GP I won't be surprised at all either. I just hope the potential competition Sims is soon about to get has inspired Maxis to work harder on Sims 4, so that all of us who love and care about this large game platform will benefit from everything. I also heard from a source it is possible now that Rachel Franklin became the executive producer for Sims 4 again will have a huge impact on this game maybe starting next year (2024). And I do have to say I still have hope for this game for some reason, this year we got infants (not tied to the EP, yes I know they put the deeper features like infant milestones and learning to crawl behind the EP but still, base game infants got added for everyone even without the Growing Together EP), horses (in their own EP...no occult unicorns though BUT, some people noticed this For Rent EP seems to have more Unicorn-themed objects so maybe proper unicorns are still planned? Hmm we will see), and we also got some long-awaited stuff like the return of stuff packs with Home Chef Hustle SP, so I expect literally everything can be possible with this game, YES I do know we don't have all the customization in the world in Sims 4, but in my opinion this is an awesome game because of the variety and endless playstyle possibilities and stories this game can offer, even further with new game, expansion and stuff packs and Kits (I don't hate them as much as I didn't care about them before but now I am fine with them, the return of gameplay kits would be very very cool though), and I have no plans to stop buying new content for this game, despite the fact the base game is free to play nowadays, well I still have my lovely Sims 4 Collector's edition physical copy and the Plumbob lamp, and the visual book about Sims 4 development (I still LOVE it! I love real books and the Sims used to have those Prima guide books, I still have many of them, for Sims 3 base game and some expansion packs and The Sims 4 base game, love them forever!) so I am so happy I still got to keep what my grandpa paid for so that he got me this game with lots of potential at launch in September 2014. (forever grateful for him and my grandma, I love them and my family, but I won't go too much off topic, sorry <3)

    But yes, I did notice your enthusiasm for pack refreshes in the forums earlier this year, but I did feel like they were done with them after they noticed how people will pay for the content anyway, so this is not just MY prerogative, do I need to feel like you are blaming me for preordering new EP for Sims 4? And yes this is a negative thread, so I am going to say I do have mixed feelings about this expansion pack, but I was not surprised that we won't get an awesome City Living pack refresh with all the content For Rent EP is going to have + a second world. Maxis probably just does what they feel like they have to in order to get more resources and budget for this game, and this For Rent does remind me of Apartment Life from Sims 2, which is a good thing for me, I always wanted this type of pack for Sims 4, so I decided it was necessary for me to preorder this expansion pack, I am happily paying for a working pack, and this time I ordered it almost immediately as this was one pack I was especially interested in. And this pack seems also like a setup for the technology and the groundwork for a future hotels/resorts system in its own pack, but I am not upset by the fact this one didn't include hotels or resorts (or both), I only expected this EP to be more like a distant relative to Sims 2 Apartment Life, not like Ambitions or the pack for Sims 3 with real estate features like owning a community lot, after the leak happened I was able to see this is meant to be the equivalent of Sims 2: AL, not Open For Business/Entrepreneur at all. I am sure they will most likely make an expansion pack called Sims 4 Entrepreneur or something like that, there was a pack survey back in 2017 or so and it mentioned this kind of EP and it could include stuff like owning and managing your own cafe, art galleries, and more. And I am sure they may add upon that old idea with stuff like the introduction of multipurpose venues so we will be able to make shopping malls with restaurants, retail stores, cafes, ice cream shops etc. Also wasn't there that survey from 2020 and it did mention Shopping Malls pack too? Not giving up hope on anything but I understand your concerns, even I was hoping for pack refreshes, but for some reason my reaction for this EP announcement feels more like mixed rather than negative. But I do have my own concerns for this pack too, but we will see. I love the addition of rice cooker and kettle kitchen objects and the other new features though <3
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    Lenny_OggLenny_Ogg Posts: 3,696 Member
    edited November 2023
    I don't think the households/sims per hosehold will be limited.
    There will just not all sims of the unplayed households show up at the same time outside their appartment.
    Just like you have several group meetings at the same time. There is a certain limit how many sims can be on one lot at the same time.

    I tried this for their concerts and this is the maximum I could reach even though we started several group meetings at the same time.
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    It didn't even help that this was a community lot. No way to get more sims together (afaik/ without mods)
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