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  • CinebarCinebar Posts: 30,603 Member
    Sigzy05 wrote: »
    Sk8rblaze wrote: »
    Writin_Reg wrote: »
    logion wrote: »
    I never understand the the "sims4 is rated T for Teen argument" whenever people are asking for stuff. Because if you go by the ESRB ratings, here are some other games that are rated T for Teen: Fortnite, Destiny 2, Overwatch and Apex Legends. All are games where you run around and shoot people, but as soon as we start asking for stuff like more ways for our sims to die, then it is suddenly "because the game is T for teen".

    What plum me off, as well few other people I talked to, when one of the developers use said argument why they aren't willing (from implication) to create casinos/gambling of some sorts in the game. Like hell, said developers also pull other two weak arguments, one of which is absurd and the other speaks for the player that clearly is incorrect or pretending to be oblivious to own's misinformation. I guess renaming the activity just like drinking bar's juice (which for some reason exists despite others resentment due to the rating) wasn't in their heads. Though the term was never dysphemish and I don't think the term "gambling" still poses rating threat.

    There is a reason they drop using the "You rule!" slogan, as it was the opposite thing how the game represented itself. Nobody but the devs rule and what we say we want they disagree that "but you dont want x/y in the game". It's a vicious cycle I tell you.

    Ts3 has a casino venue, has blackjack, poker and roulette tables (group activities), plus slot machines and poker machines. Your sims can also buy lottery tickets. And TS3 is rated T for Teens. I don't know why the dev said they can't add them to TS4?

    I would guess development team still (at least the leading personal) all cared is about marketing the game than compiling with popular demands. It was all about attaining the new casual players, introducing them to the latest game. Kinda of explains the Alexa pet project thing in a way and why people were bated to watch the stream affliated with it before giving any information what it will be about.

    Could it be the nearly 16 million followers The Sims 4 has on facebook, most of which sound overjoyed at everything they are doing on Sims 4 be the ones they are listening to the most seeing there is rarely more than 400 players on this forum. The only time I see a differing of opinion on facebook Sims 4 is when someone from here posts over there and many followers quickly disagree with them. I only go there because all the younger set of my family goes there to post - I never post there but read what my young family members say and believe me they are thrilled with SIMS 4. Also note many young folks like the juice thing - they are not into alcohol like young folks were even 10-15 years ago. I see that a lot. They all want juice health bars at gyms and spas even. Today young folks are not the teens and twenty somethings many of us older simmers were. They are also anti-killing of any kind. So perhaps with Facebook feeding directly to EA and Maxis - it really covers over what is posted here.

    Bringing up the forum here get you poo-poohed over on facebook. They think the forum are awful with nothing but complaints from what I have seen in the past (I haven't mentioned the forums lately though.)

    I know they all love Island Living too. Only a small handfull agreed with hotels - many seemed to like it like it was but to maybe allow apt building there or rentals. Being a vacation spot also was not mentioned a lot.

    Uhh, what? Go to the post where they updated their cover photo and announced the redesign (not linking here due to real names used on FB).

    First comment, " Now just fix the neighborhoods and let us create our own towns. The TS4 neighborhoods are the most disappointing thing of the entire game. Such a stepback." Then, amid some positivity, there are comments very consistent with the forums and the subreddit of how people think the color changes are a headache to look at, some people asking for a reverse, some asking for TS5, etc.

    The only difference is the forums tend to have more passionate and enthused fans, as you really need to go out of your way to register and start posting here as opposed to just clicking a FB page with the account you already have.

    All I see is people asking for either University, open world or TS5 in the comments lol

    It's called scrubbing. FB does this to make you think something is trending when in fact over on Twitter, (facts) 80% of everything trending on Twitter is generated by only 10% of users. People are being controlled by 10% of a population or 'community'.
    "Games Are Not The Place To Tell Stories, Games Are Meant To Let People Tell Their Own Stories"...Will Wright.

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  • ApparentlyAwesomeApparentlyAwesome Posts: 1,338 Member
    Writin_Reg wrote: »
    logion wrote: »
    I never understand the the "sims4 is rated T for Teen argument" whenever people are asking for stuff. Because if you go by the ESRB ratings, here are some other games that are rated T for Teen: Fortnite, Destiny 2, Overwatch and Apex Legends. All are games where you run around and shoot people, but as soon as we start asking for stuff like more ways for our sims to die, then it is suddenly "because the game is T for teen".

    What plum me off, as well few other people I talked to, when one of the developers use said argument why they aren't willing (from implication) to create casinos/gambling of some sorts in the game. Like hell, said developers also pull other two weak arguments, one of which is absurd and the other speaks for the player that clearly is incorrect or pretending to be oblivious to own's misinformation. I guess renaming the activity just like drinking bar's juice (which for some reason exists despite others resentment due to the rating) wasn't in their heads. Though the term was never dysphemish and I don't think the term "gambling" still poses rating threat.

    There is a reason they drop using the "You rule!" slogan, as it was the opposite thing how the game represented itself. Nobody but the devs rule and what we say we want they disagree that "but you dont want x/y in the game". It's a vicious cycle I tell you.

    Ts3 has a casino venue, has blackjack, poker and roulette tables (group activities), plus slot machines and poker machines. Your sims can also buy lottery tickets. And TS3 is rated T for Teens. I don't know why the dev said they can't add them to TS4?

    I would guess development team still (at least the leading personal) all cared is about marketing the game than compiling with popular demands. It was all about attaining the new casual players, introducing them to the latest game. Kinda of explains the Alexa pet project thing in a way and why people were bated to watch the stream affliated with it before giving any information what it will be about.

    Could it be the nearly 16 million followers The Sims 4 has on facebook, most of which sound overjoyed at everything they are doing on Sims 4 be the ones they are listening to the most seeing there is rarely more than 400 players on this forum. The only time I see a differing of opinion on facebook Sims 4 is when someone from here posts over there and many followers quickly disagree with them. I only go there because all the younger set of my family goes there to post - I never post there but read what my young family members say and believe me they are thrilled with SIMS 4. Also note many young folks like the juice thing - they are not into alcohol like young folks were even 10-15 years ago. I see that a lot. They all want juice health bars at gyms and spas even. Today young folks are not the teens and twenty somethings many of us older simmers were. They are also anti-killing of any kind. So perhaps with Facebook feeding directly to EA and Maxis - it really covers over what is posted here.

    Bringing up the forum here get you poo-poohed over on facebook. They think the forum are awful with nothing but complaints from what I have seen in the past (I haven't mentioned the forums lately though.)

    I know they all love Island Living too. Only a small handfull agreed with hotels - many seemed to like it like it was but to maybe allow apt building there or rentals. Being a vacation spot also was not mentioned a lot.

    I'm on Facebook almost all the time and I've never see it that way. Some get upset when TS4 is talked bad about and there's the usual be grateful or shut up and don't play comments that are usually posted there but usually the reactions I always see are mixed. They do lean more towards positive than anything but still noticeably mixed.

    Then again they have their algorithms that affect what each person may see so it could just be that. But the post about the rebranding was filled with mixed opinions from what I saw. Some people like it, some people would rather they focus on something else (bug fixes, new packs, TS5), and some people don't like it.

    And only 5.8k (minus the ones who may have responded in a bad way) out of the almost 16 million people who say they like it I think holds about as much salt as here and on Twitter because some of the people I know who it says like The Sims have never even played 4, they played a previous Sim game and liked the page for that reason so who knows how many people that could apply to.
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  • Sigzy05Sigzy05 Posts: 17,840 Member
    Cinebar wrote: »
    Sigzy05 wrote: »
    Sk8rblaze wrote: »
    Writin_Reg wrote: »
    logion wrote: »
    I never understand the the "sims4 is rated T for Teen argument" whenever people are asking for stuff. Because if you go by the ESRB ratings, here are some other games that are rated T for Teen: Fortnite, Destiny 2, Overwatch and Apex Legends. All are games where you run around and shoot people, but as soon as we start asking for stuff like more ways for our sims to die, then it is suddenly "because the game is T for teen".

    What plum me off, as well few other people I talked to, when one of the developers use said argument why they aren't willing (from implication) to create casinos/gambling of some sorts in the game. Like hell, said developers also pull other two weak arguments, one of which is absurd and the other speaks for the player that clearly is incorrect or pretending to be oblivious to own's misinformation. I guess renaming the activity just like drinking bar's juice (which for some reason exists despite others resentment due to the rating) wasn't in their heads. Though the term was never dysphemish and I don't think the term "gambling" still poses rating threat.

    There is a reason they drop using the "You rule!" slogan, as it was the opposite thing how the game represented itself. Nobody but the devs rule and what we say we want they disagree that "but you dont want x/y in the game". It's a vicious cycle I tell you.

    Ts3 has a casino venue, has blackjack, poker and roulette tables (group activities), plus slot machines and poker machines. Your sims can also buy lottery tickets. And TS3 is rated T for Teens. I don't know why the dev said they can't add them to TS4?

    I would guess development team still (at least the leading personal) all cared is about marketing the game than compiling with popular demands. It was all about attaining the new casual players, introducing them to the latest game. Kinda of explains the Alexa pet project thing in a way and why people were bated to watch the stream affliated with it before giving any information what it will be about.

    Could it be the nearly 16 million followers The Sims 4 has on facebook, most of which sound overjoyed at everything they are doing on Sims 4 be the ones they are listening to the most seeing there is rarely more than 400 players on this forum. The only time I see a differing of opinion on facebook Sims 4 is when someone from here posts over there and many followers quickly disagree with them. I only go there because all the younger set of my family goes there to post - I never post there but read what my young family members say and believe me they are thrilled with SIMS 4. Also note many young folks like the juice thing - they are not into alcohol like young folks were even 10-15 years ago. I see that a lot. They all want juice health bars at gyms and spas even. Today young folks are not the teens and twenty somethings many of us older simmers were. They are also anti-killing of any kind. So perhaps with Facebook feeding directly to EA and Maxis - it really covers over what is posted here.

    Bringing up the forum here get you poo-poohed over on facebook. They think the forum are awful with nothing but complaints from what I have seen in the past (I haven't mentioned the forums lately though.)

    I know they all love Island Living too. Only a small handfull agreed with hotels - many seemed to like it like it was but to maybe allow apt building there or rentals. Being a vacation spot also was not mentioned a lot.

    Uhh, what? Go to the post where they updated their cover photo and announced the redesign (not linking here due to real names used on FB).

    First comment, " Now just fix the neighborhoods and let us create our own towns. The TS4 neighborhoods are the most disappointing thing of the entire game. Such a stepback." Then, amid some positivity, there are comments very consistent with the forums and the subreddit of how people think the color changes are a headache to look at, some people asking for a reverse, some asking for TS5, etc.

    The only difference is the forums tend to have more passionate and enthused fans, as you really need to go out of your way to register and start posting here as opposed to just clicking a FB page with the account you already have.

    All I see is people asking for either University, open world or TS5 in the comments lol

    It's called scrubbing. FB does this to make you think something is trending when in fact over on Twitter, (facts) 80% of everything trending on Twitter is generated by only 10% of users. People are being controlled by 10% of a population or 'community'.

    Wow didn't know that!
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  • CinebarCinebar Posts: 30,603 Member
    Sigzy05 wrote: »
    Cinebar wrote: »
    Sigzy05 wrote: »
    Sk8rblaze wrote: »
    Writin_Reg wrote: »
    logion wrote: »
    I never understand the the "sims4 is rated T for Teen argument" whenever people are asking for stuff. Because if you go by the ESRB ratings, here are some other games that are rated T for Teen: Fortnite, Destiny 2, Overwatch and Apex Legends. All are games where you run around and shoot people, but as soon as we start asking for stuff like more ways for our sims to die, then it is suddenly "because the game is T for teen".

    What plum me off, as well few other people I talked to, when one of the developers use said argument why they aren't willing (from implication) to create casinos/gambling of some sorts in the game. Like hell, said developers also pull other two weak arguments, one of which is absurd and the other speaks for the player that clearly is incorrect or pretending to be oblivious to own's misinformation. I guess renaming the activity just like drinking bar's juice (which for some reason exists despite others resentment due to the rating) wasn't in their heads. Though the term was never dysphemish and I don't think the term "gambling" still poses rating threat.

    There is a reason they drop using the "You rule!" slogan, as it was the opposite thing how the game represented itself. Nobody but the devs rule and what we say we want they disagree that "but you dont want x/y in the game". It's a vicious cycle I tell you.

    Ts3 has a casino venue, has blackjack, poker and roulette tables (group activities), plus slot machines and poker machines. Your sims can also buy lottery tickets. And TS3 is rated T for Teens. I don't know why the dev said they can't add them to TS4?

    I would guess development team still (at least the leading personal) all cared is about marketing the game than compiling with popular demands. It was all about attaining the new casual players, introducing them to the latest game. Kinda of explains the Alexa pet project thing in a way and why people were bated to watch the stream affliated with it before giving any information what it will be about.

    Could it be the nearly 16 million followers The Sims 4 has on facebook, most of which sound overjoyed at everything they are doing on Sims 4 be the ones they are listening to the most seeing there is rarely more than 400 players on this forum. The only time I see a differing of opinion on facebook Sims 4 is when someone from here posts over there and many followers quickly disagree with them. I only go there because all the younger set of my family goes there to post - I never post there but read what my young family members say and believe me they are thrilled with SIMS 4. Also note many young folks like the juice thing - they are not into alcohol like young folks were even 10-15 years ago. I see that a lot. They all want juice health bars at gyms and spas even. Today young folks are not the teens and twenty somethings many of us older simmers were. They are also anti-killing of any kind. So perhaps with Facebook feeding directly to EA and Maxis - it really covers over what is posted here.

    Bringing up the forum here get you poo-poohed over on facebook. They think the forum are awful with nothing but complaints from what I have seen in the past (I haven't mentioned the forums lately though.)

    I know they all love Island Living too. Only a small handfull agreed with hotels - many seemed to like it like it was but to maybe allow apt building there or rentals. Being a vacation spot also was not mentioned a lot.

    Uhh, what? Go to the post where they updated their cover photo and announced the redesign (not linking here due to real names used on FB).

    First comment, " Now just fix the neighborhoods and let us create our own towns. The TS4 neighborhoods are the most disappointing thing of the entire game. Such a stepback." Then, amid some positivity, there are comments very consistent with the forums and the subreddit of how people think the color changes are a headache to look at, some people asking for a reverse, some asking for TS5, etc.

    The only difference is the forums tend to have more passionate and enthused fans, as you really need to go out of your way to register and start posting here as opposed to just clicking a FB page with the account you already have.

    All I see is people asking for either University, open world or TS5 in the comments lol

    It's called scrubbing. FB does this to make you think something is trending when in fact over on Twitter, (facts) 80% of everything trending on Twitter is generated by only 10% of users. People are being controlled by 10% of a population or 'community'.

    Wow didn't know that!

    It's why google, FB, Twitter, and now Youtube are echo chambers. You see what you want to see, and not the truth. They show you what they want you to see. That doesn't mean it's reality.
    "Games Are Not The Place To Tell Stories, Games Are Meant To Let People Tell Their Own Stories"...Will Wright.

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  • Writin_RegWritin_Reg Posts: 28,266 Member
    edited July 14
    I was there last night and I saw two post started by folks from here over the rebranding... when I was there, I don't stay long - there were not many posting on those threads but a few asking about Uni.
  • ClarionOfJoyClarionOfJoy Posts: 524 Member
    Sk8rblaze wrote: »
    Writin_Reg wrote: »
    logion wrote: »
    I never understand the the "sims4 is rated T for Teen argument" whenever people are asking for stuff. Because if you go by the ESRB ratings, here are some other games that are rated T for Teen: Fortnite, Destiny 2, Overwatch and Apex Legends. All are games where you run around and shoot people, but as soon as we start asking for stuff like more ways for our sims to die, then it is suddenly "because the game is T for teen".

    What plum me off, as well few other people I talked to, when one of the developers use said argument why they aren't willing (from implication) to create casinos/gambling of some sorts in the game. Like hell, said developers also pull other two weak arguments, one of which is absurd and the other speaks for the player that clearly is incorrect or pretending to be oblivious to own's misinformation. I guess renaming the activity just like drinking bar's juice (which for some reason exists despite others resentment due to the rating) wasn't in their heads. Though the term was never dysphemish and I don't think the term "gambling" still poses rating threat.

    There is a reason they drop using the "You rule!" slogan, as it was the opposite thing how the game represented itself. Nobody but the devs rule and what we say we want they disagree that "but you dont want x/y in the game". It's a vicious cycle I tell you.

    Ts3 has a casino venue, has blackjack, poker and roulette tables (group activities), plus slot machines and poker machines. Your sims can also buy lottery tickets. And TS3 is rated T for Teens. I don't know why the dev said they can't add them to TS4?

    I would guess development team still (at least the leading personal) all cared is about marketing the game than compiling with popular demands. It was all about attaining the new casual players, introducing them to the latest game. Kinda of explains the Alexa pet project thing in a way and why people were bated to watch the stream affliated with it before giving any information what it will be about.

    Could it be the nearly 16 million followers The Sims 4 has on facebook, most of which sound overjoyed at everything they are doing on Sims 4 be the ones they are listening to the most seeing there is rarely more than 400 players on this forum. The only time I see a differing of opinion on facebook Sims 4 is when someone from here posts over there and many followers quickly disagree with them. I only go there because all the younger set of my family goes there to post - I never post there but read what my young family members say and believe me they are thrilled with SIMS 4. Also note many young folks like the juice thing - they are not into alcohol like young folks were even 10-15 years ago. I see that a lot. They all want juice health bars at gyms and spas even. Today young folks are not the teens and twenty somethings many of us older simmers were. They are also anti-killing of any kind. So perhaps with Facebook feeding directly to EA and Maxis - it really covers over what is posted here.

    Bringing up the forum here get you poo-poohed over on facebook. They think the forum are awful with nothing but complaints from what I have seen in the past (I haven't mentioned the forums lately though.)

    I know they all love Island Living too. Only a small handfull agreed with hotels - many seemed to like it like it was but to maybe allow apt building there or rentals. Being a vacation spot also was not mentioned a lot.

    Uhh, what? Go to the post where they updated their cover photo and announced the redesign (not linking here due to real names used on FB).

    First comment, " Now just fix the neighborhoods and let us create our own towns. The TS4 neighborhoods are the most disappointing thing of the entire game. Such a stepback." Then, amid some positivity, there are comments very consistent with the forums and the subreddit of how people think the color changes are a headache to look at, some people asking for a reverse, some asking for TS5, etc.

    The only difference is the forums tend to have more passionate and enthused fans, as you really need to go out of your way to register and start posting here as opposed to just clicking a FB page with the account you already have.

    I looked at that Facebook page too: The Sims

    Those ~16 million followers are NOT all for TS4 - it's for the WHOLE SERIES. Their Facebook page started in ~2012 during TS3's run and had already reached 10 million likes in that year alone. Given that the page currently has
    15,865,182 likes right now, most of those likes are for TS3. Although they didn't note when they hit the 10 million mark for followers, the "follow" function was also implemented ~2012 during TS3's run. So we can't say that all of those followers started following for TS4. It's probable that most of the following started back during TS3's run.

  • MidnightAuraMidnightAura Posts: 5,119 Member
    Sk8rblaze wrote: »
    Writin_Reg wrote: »
    logion wrote: »
    I never understand the the "sims4 is rated T for Teen argument" whenever people are asking for stuff. Because if you go by the ESRB ratings, here are some other games that are rated T for Teen: Fortnite, Destiny 2, Overwatch and Apex Legends. All are games where you run around and shoot people, but as soon as we start asking for stuff like more ways for our sims to die, then it is suddenly "because the game is T for teen".

    What plum me off, as well few other people I talked to, when one of the developers use said argument why they aren't willing (from implication) to create casinos/gambling of some sorts in the game. Like hell, said developers also pull other two weak arguments, one of which is absurd and the other speaks for the player that clearly is incorrect or pretending to be oblivious to own's misinformation. I guess renaming the activity just like drinking bar's juice (which for some reason exists despite others resentment due to the rating) wasn't in their heads. Though the term was never dysphemish and I don't think the term "gambling" still poses rating threat.

    There is a reason they drop using the "You rule!" slogan, as it was the opposite thing how the game represented itself. Nobody but the devs rule and what we say we want they disagree that "but you dont want x/y in the game". It's a vicious cycle I tell you.

    Ts3 has a casino venue, has blackjack, poker and roulette tables (group activities), plus slot machines and poker machines. Your sims can also buy lottery tickets. And TS3 is rated T for Teens. I don't know why the dev said they can't add them to TS4?

    I would guess development team still (at least the leading personal) all cared is about marketing the game than compiling with popular demands. It was all about attaining the new casual players, introducing them to the latest game. Kinda of explains the Alexa pet project thing in a way and why people were bated to watch the stream affliated with it before giving any information what it will be about.

    Could it be the nearly 16 million followers The Sims 4 has on facebook, most of which sound overjoyed at everything they are doing on Sims 4 be the ones they are listening to the most seeing there is rarely more than 400 players on this forum. The only time I see a differing of opinion on facebook Sims 4 is when someone from here posts over there and many followers quickly disagree with them. I only go there because all the younger set of my family goes there to post - I never post there but read what my young family members say and believe me they are thrilled with SIMS 4. Also note many young folks like the juice thing - they are not into alcohol like young folks were even 10-15 years ago. I see that a lot. They all want juice health bars at gyms and spas even. Today young folks are not the teens and twenty somethings many of us older simmers were. They are also anti-killing of any kind. So perhaps with Facebook feeding directly to EA and Maxis - it really covers over what is posted here.

    Bringing up the forum here get you poo-poohed over on facebook. They think the forum are awful with nothing but complaints from what I have seen in the past (I haven't mentioned the forums lately though.)

    I know they all love Island Living too. Only a small handfull agreed with hotels - many seemed to like it like it was but to maybe allow apt building there or rentals. Being a vacation spot also was not mentioned a lot.

    Uhh, what? Go to the post where they updated their cover photo and announced the redesign (not linking here due to real names used on FB).

    First comment, " Now just fix the neighborhoods and let us create our own towns. The TS4 neighborhoods are the most disappointing thing of the entire game. Such a stepback." Then, amid some positivity, there are comments very consistent with the forums and the subreddit of how people think the color changes are a headache to look at, some people asking for a reverse, some asking for TS5, etc.

    The only difference is the forums tend to have more passionate and enthused fans, as you really need to go out of your way to register and start posting here as opposed to just clicking a FB page with the account you already have.

    I agree, it’s very mixed. People complaining (How dare they??) about bugs, asking about university. Not all sunshine and rainbows no matter how people may want to perceive it.
  • Sk8rblazeSk8rblaze Posts: 6,955 Member
    Sk8rblaze wrote: »
    Writin_Reg wrote: »
    logion wrote: »
    I never understand the the "sims4 is rated T for Teen argument" whenever people are asking for stuff. Because if you go by the ESRB ratings, here are some other games that are rated T for Teen: Fortnite, Destiny 2, Overwatch and Apex Legends. All are games where you run around and shoot people, but as soon as we start asking for stuff like more ways for our sims to die, then it is suddenly "because the game is T for teen".

    What plum me off, as well few other people I talked to, when one of the developers use said argument why they aren't willing (from implication) to create casinos/gambling of some sorts in the game. Like hell, said developers also pull other two weak arguments, one of which is absurd and the other speaks for the player that clearly is incorrect or pretending to be oblivious to own's misinformation. I guess renaming the activity just like drinking bar's juice (which for some reason exists despite others resentment due to the rating) wasn't in their heads. Though the term was never dysphemish and I don't think the term "gambling" still poses rating threat.

    There is a reason they drop using the "You rule!" slogan, as it was the opposite thing how the game represented itself. Nobody but the devs rule and what we say we want they disagree that "but you dont want x/y in the game". It's a vicious cycle I tell you.

    Ts3 has a casino venue, has blackjack, poker and roulette tables (group activities), plus slot machines and poker machines. Your sims can also buy lottery tickets. And TS3 is rated T for Teens. I don't know why the dev said they can't add them to TS4?

    I would guess development team still (at least the leading personal) all cared is about marketing the game than compiling with popular demands. It was all about attaining the new casual players, introducing them to the latest game. Kinda of explains the Alexa pet project thing in a way and why people were bated to watch the stream affliated with it before giving any information what it will be about.

    Could it be the nearly 16 million followers The Sims 4 has on facebook, most of which sound overjoyed at everything they are doing on Sims 4 be the ones they are listening to the most seeing there is rarely more than 400 players on this forum. The only time I see a differing of opinion on facebook Sims 4 is when someone from here posts over there and many followers quickly disagree with them. I only go there because all the younger set of my family goes there to post - I never post there but read what my young family members say and believe me they are thrilled with SIMS 4. Also note many young folks like the juice thing - they are not into alcohol like young folks were even 10-15 years ago. I see that a lot. They all want juice health bars at gyms and spas even. Today young folks are not the teens and twenty somethings many of us older simmers were. They are also anti-killing of any kind. So perhaps with Facebook feeding directly to EA and Maxis - it really covers over what is posted here.

    Bringing up the forum here get you poo-poohed over on facebook. They think the forum are awful with nothing but complaints from what I have seen in the past (I haven't mentioned the forums lately though.)

    I know they all love Island Living too. Only a small handfull agreed with hotels - many seemed to like it like it was but to maybe allow apt building there or rentals. Being a vacation spot also was not mentioned a lot.

    Uhh, what? Go to the post where they updated their cover photo and announced the redesign (not linking here due to real names used on FB).

    First comment, " Now just fix the neighborhoods and let us create our own towns. The TS4 neighborhoods are the most disappointing thing of the entire game. Such a stepback." Then, amid some positivity, there are comments very consistent with the forums and the subreddit of how people think the color changes are a headache to look at, some people asking for a reverse, some asking for TS5, etc.

    The only difference is the forums tend to have more passionate and enthused fans, as you really need to go out of your way to register and start posting here as opposed to just clicking a FB page with the account you already have.

    I agree, it’s very mixed. People complaining (How dare they??) about bugs, asking about university. Not all sunshine and rainbows no matter how people may want to perceive it.

    Yeah, and I do wonder if EA will act upon all of the backlash.

    The box art designs for the base game and DLC are one thing. They're ugly as hell, don't get me wrong, but they can be ignored. For me, it's the fact that they're, for the third or fourth time, changing the main menu screen again and implementing this ugly blue/plumbob into the game.

    I wouldn't be opposed to a nicer shade of blue and an option for a blue UI in live mode over the minimal white look, but we got neither of course.
  • touchmygagatouchmygaga Posts: 9 New Member
    Opinions about The Sims 4 have always been pretty mixed/negative, despite the gurus and the game changers trying to sugar-coat everything and pretend they are excited for freaking door recolors. (Are our expectations THAT low? Really?) But they don't care, they never did. They act like they listen to our feedback but it's a lie, if they did we would already have cars, burglars, firefighters, they would be working in improving the game's AI, the traits, and basically everything this community has been asking for since 2014. But what do we get? A Moschino stuff pack! Amazing.
  • Renato10Renato10 Posts: 149 Member
    Cinebar wrote: »
    Those who want to wait five more years for spiral staircases, because followers on FB love the game well, fine, but I'm going to be watching that guy build his new little game and maybe I will already playing with what we can do with a roof in a game instead of sitting here waiting on more 'roof types' five years from now.

    Im on this boat!
  • Renato10Renato10 Posts: 149 Member
    edited July 15
    Opinions about The Sims 4 have always been pretty mixed/negative, despite the gurus and the game changers trying to sugar-coat everything and pretend they are excited for freaking door recolors. (Are our expectations THAT low? Really?) But they don't care, they never did. They act like they listen to our feedback but it's a lie, if they did we would already have cars, burglars, firefighters, they would be working in improving the game's AI, the traits, and basically everything this community has been asking for since 2014. But what do we get? A Moschino stuff pack! Amazing.

    I literally left twitter minutes ago and I saw a poll from a game changer asking if would you rather have drivable cars or just decorativa as we will have with the debug update? 53% are fine with decorative.

    First thig first... this question just seems stupid to begin with it and the feedback? ... Oh dear! Theres some other game changers that have the oposite view but do they have impact? I don't know.

    This shouldn't suprised me at this point since this is the community that voted for a laundry pack theme... what more I can say? They just listen the colorful and sweet comments in twitter, facebook and instagram. They have a good solid group of yong people that they can manipulate. The best topics with questions that really matter are always in the foruns and reddit. Always! One they pretend to listen, the other they don't even care.

    Honestly I wish I could turn back to the times my biggest issue was "TS3 stopped working". It was less annoying than all of this situation!

    As a big fan how do you feel when you see questions like this? Everytime you try to open a normal conversation about a topic but since we are kinda in the negative side you always get a minion responding to you to shut up and tell you TS4 is awsome and everything before is terrible? Do you feel excluded? Because in the last two years I feel more than ever.

    In conlusion... They always win!

    And it blows my mind when I see game changers with the same age as me going crazy for object recolors making it a big deal. Seriously... we are in 2019 and the biggest thing we can get from TS is something that in past interations wasn't even a thing to think about it.
  • ClarionOfJoyClarionOfJoy Posts: 524 Member
    Renato10 wrote: »
    Opinions about The Sims 4 have always been pretty mixed/negative, despite the gurus and the game changers trying to sugar-coat everything and pretend they are excited for freaking door recolors. (Are our expectations THAT low? Really?) But they don't care, they never did. They act like they listen to our feedback but it's a lie, if they did we would already have cars, burglars, firefighters, they would be working in improving the game's AI, the traits, and basically everything this community has been asking for since 2014. But what do we get? A Moschino stuff pack! Amazing.

    I literally left twitter minutes ago and I saw a poll from a game changer asking if would you rather have drivable cars or just decorativa as we will have with the debug update? 53% are fine with decorative.

    First thig first... this question just seems stupid to begin with it and the feedback? ... Oh dear! Theres some other game changers that have the oposite view but do they have impact? I don't know.

    This shouldn't suprised me at this point since this is the community that voted for a laundry pack theme... what more I can say? They just listen the colorful and sweet comments in twitter, facebook and instagram. They have a good solid group of yong people that they can manipulate. The best topics with questions that really matter are always in the foruns and reddit. Always! One they pretend to listen, the other they don't even care.

    Honestly I wish I could turn back to the times my biggest issue was "TS3 stopped working". It was less annoying than all of this situation!

    As a big fan how do you feel when you see questions like this? Everytime you try to open a normal conversation about a topic but since we are kinda in the negative side you always get a minion responding to you to shut up and tell you TS4 is awsome and everything before is terrible? Do you feel excluded? Because in the last two years I feel more than ever.

    In conlusion... They always win!

    And it blows my mind when I see game changers with the same age as me going crazy for object recolors making it a big deal. Seriously... we are in 2019 and the biggest thing we can get from TS is something that in past interations wasn't even a thing to think about it.

    I honestly think those are rigged or skewed to favor the least amount of work for the devs to do and try to make it look like it's what the consumers want. I don't think any real consumer in their right mind would want all these stupid and vapid items that so-called TS4 simmers want.
  • friendlysimmersfriendlysimmers Posts: 6,214 Member
    i went drivable cars that my sims can use
    http://friendlysimmers.forumotion.ca/

    http://delightfulsims.net/index.php

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  • CinebarCinebar Posts: 30,603 Member
    edited July 15
    You know back in The Sims I was always so disappointed if I found something that looked interesting and try to click on it and it was just clutter or decor. :( The Sims base and EPs did do things better though since so many paintings, and clutter, or decor such as vases etc. actually could cause something to happen, so I was always trying to figure out if this new piece of 'clutter' was going to do anything and disappointed if it didn't. It was full of many suprises.

    Today, all I hear is clutter, clutter, we want clutter. I want action. That's the difference I guess with me and this generation of gamers. Clutter is cute, pretty, needful for a screen shot, I guess, but it's not gameplay. And there were no hints, you didn't know other than word of mouth if selling a cheap painting which I had increased in value over the weeks, would bring you loads of cash when your Sim was literally starving because the player had spent all the money on furniture and decor. lol That was always a suprise. Or that a painting would produce a NPC that would drive you crazy. The Sims was full of hidden things you never knew a vase or poster might be a mistake for adding to the house or a blessing. :p What does all that clutter do today? Nothing, it lends itself to fake screen shots of the Sim's busy life, not, because they didn't do anything to get it, or find it, or earn it.
    "Games Are Not The Place To Tell Stories, Games Are Meant To Let People Tell Their Own Stories"...Will Wright.

    https://forums.thesims.com/en_US/discussion/958714/cinebar-custom-content-clothes-updating-links/p1


  • CinebarCinebar Posts: 30,603 Member
    Opinions about The Sims 4 have always been pretty mixed/negative, despite the gurus and the game changers trying to sugar-coat everything and pretend they are excited for freaking door recolors. (Are our expectations THAT low? Really?) But they don't care, they never did. They act like they listen to our feedback but it's a lie, if they did we would already have cars, burglars, firefighters, they would be working in improving the game's AI, the traits, and basically everything this community has been asking for since 2014. But what do we get? A Moschino stuff pack! Amazing.

    I think this team (many were on TS3) are burnt out and really they have mentioned before it's hard to come up with new ideas for this series. I dsagree with them there, but I think burn out shows really evident all over TS4.
    "Games Are Not The Place To Tell Stories, Games Are Meant To Let People Tell Their Own Stories"...Will Wright.

    https://forums.thesims.com/en_US/discussion/958714/cinebar-custom-content-clothes-updating-links/p1


  • Sigzy05Sigzy05 Posts: 17,840 Member
    i went drivable cars that my sims can use

    Me too!

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    Even with loading screens I think they would make sense. YA's could get their driver's license, they could get an alarm installed for the car, they could build fun by taking a spin the car like in TS2, they could woohoo in the car, they could travel to other community lots in them etc.
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  • CinebarCinebar Posts: 30,603 Member
    edited July 15
    Sk8rblaze wrote: »
    Writin_Reg wrote: »
    logion wrote: »
    I never understand the the "sims4 is rated T for Teen argument" whenever people are asking for stuff. Because if you go by the ESRB ratings, here are some other games that are rated T for Teen: Fortnite, Destiny 2, Overwatch and Apex Legends. All are games where you run around and shoot people, but as soon as we start asking for stuff like more ways for our sims to die, then it is suddenly "because the game is T for teen".

    What plum me off, as well few other people I talked to, when one of the developers use said argument why they aren't willing (from implication) to create casinos/gambling of some sorts in the game. Like hell, said developers also pull other two weak arguments, one of which is absurd and the other speaks for the player that clearly is incorrect or pretending to be oblivious to own's misinformation. I guess renaming the activity just like drinking bar's juice (which for some reason exists despite others resentment due to the rating) wasn't in their heads. Though the term was never dysphemish and I don't think the term "gambling" still poses rating threat.

    There is a reason they drop using the "You rule!" slogan, as it was the opposite thing how the game represented itself. Nobody but the devs rule and what we say we want they disagree that "but you dont want x/y in the game". It's a vicious cycle I tell you.

    Ts3 has a casino venue, has blackjack, poker and roulette tables (group activities), plus slot machines and poker machines. Your sims can also buy lottery tickets. And TS3 is rated T for Teens. I don't know why the dev said they can't add them to TS4?

    I would guess development team still (at least the leading personal) all cared is about marketing the game than compiling with popular demands. It was all about attaining the new casual players, introducing them to the latest game. Kinda of explains the Alexa pet project thing in a way and why people were bated to watch the stream affliated with it before giving any information what it will be about.

    Could it be the nearly 16 million followers The Sims 4 has on facebook, most of which sound overjoyed at everything they are doing on Sims 4 be the ones they are listening to the most seeing there is rarely more than 400 players on this forum. The only time I see a differing of opinion on facebook Sims 4 is when someone from here posts over there and many followers quickly disagree with them. I only go there because all the younger set of my family goes there to post - I never post there but read what my young family members say and believe me they are thrilled with SIMS 4. Also note many young folks like the juice thing - they are not into alcohol like young folks were even 10-15 years ago. I see that a lot. They all want juice health bars at gyms and spas even. Today young folks are not the teens and twenty somethings many of us older simmers were. They are also anti-killing of any kind. So perhaps with Facebook feeding directly to EA and Maxis - it really covers over what is posted here.

    Bringing up the forum here get you poo-poohed over on facebook. They think the forum are awful with nothing but complaints from what I have seen in the past (I haven't mentioned the forums lately though.)

    I know they all love Island Living too. Only a small handfull agreed with hotels - many seemed to like it like it was but to maybe allow apt building there or rentals. Being a vacation spot also was not mentioned a lot.

    Uhh, what? Go to the post where they updated their cover photo and announced the redesign (not linking here due to real names used on FB).

    First comment, " Now just fix the neighborhoods and let us create our own towns. The TS4 neighborhoods are the most disappointing thing of the entire game. Such a stepback." Then, amid some positivity, there are comments very consistent with the forums and the subreddit of how people think the color changes are a headache to look at, some people asking for a reverse, some asking for TS5, etc.

    The only difference is the forums tend to have more passionate and enthused fans, as you really need to go out of your way to register and start posting here as opposed to just clicking a FB page with the account you already have.

    I looked at that Facebook page too: The Sims

    Those ~16 million followers are NOT all for TS4 - it's for the WHOLE SERIES. Their Facebook page started in ~2012 during TS3's run and had already reached 10 million likes in that year alone. Given that the page currently has
    15,865,182 likes right now, most of those likes are for TS3. Although they didn't note when they hit the 10 million mark for followers, the "follow" function was also implemented ~2012 during TS3's run. So we can't say that all of those followers started following for TS4. It's probable that most of the following started back during TS3's run.

    Thanks for that, facts matter to me. So, no, it's not all TS4 followers, but those who built the site up with TS3 likes. It reminds me of likes here, someone might like one sentence someone said but not a whole post, so some may think a person is agreeing with the whole thing, but they may not be, they are just liking one sentence. Telemetry can never get into a person's mind. lol
    "Games Are Not The Place To Tell Stories, Games Are Meant To Let People Tell Their Own Stories"...Will Wright.

    https://forums.thesims.com/en_US/discussion/958714/cinebar-custom-content-clothes-updating-links/p1


  • JoAnne65JoAnne65 Posts: 22,256 Member
    I remember on an old Sims forum, people would try to draw people to their website by sharing posts there. Numerous likes! Nobody showed up on the forum though, because that took effort. Nothing is easier than slapping an empty like on a Facebook page. I slapped a like on a Facebook page a couple of years ago about a political matter. After that I learned more about that matter and changed my mind. Totally had forgotten about that like though, till someone approached me. They’d seen the like and were looking for people to explain their vision for some school project. So I had to inform them that sorry but I didn’t feel like that anymore. My like had no value anymore. That’s Facebook.
  • CinebarCinebar Posts: 30,603 Member
    I have seen a lot of game trailers etc. that I might have liked over on Youtube, but have no intention of ever playing, because I don't play those games, but I was rating the way they did the trailer, and if it the trailer was well done in my opinion. Doesn't mean I liked the game.
    "Games Are Not The Place To Tell Stories, Games Are Meant To Let People Tell Their Own Stories"...Will Wright.

    https://forums.thesims.com/en_US/discussion/958714/cinebar-custom-content-clothes-updating-links/p1


  • friendlysimmersfriendlysimmers Posts: 6,214 Member
    anyone remember this sims2 trailer and tough this would of been the sims2 until they change the trailer and game? https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=t9u1zMCos8w
    http://friendlysimmers.forumotion.ca/

    http://delightfulsims.net/index.php

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  • EA_RtasEA_Rtas Posts: 1,785 EA Moderator
    Alright so I've removed a massive amount of posts from in here, some sexist, some non constructive and some insulting game changers.

    If you want to be negative that's completely fine, you're entitled to your opinion and to post about it, but it needs to be civil, abiding by the rules and constructive. Keep this thread on track, constructive and respectful or I'm locking it because some of the posts in here were seriously inappropriate.
  • lisamwittlisamwitt Posts: 3,762 Member
    Those ~16 million followers are NOT all for TS4 - it's for the WHOLE SERIES. Their Facebook page started in ~2012 during TS3's run and had already reached 10 million likes in that year alone.

    I liked their page during Sims 3, so did the friends on my page who liked it. I haven't unliked it obviously, but it wasn't Sims 4 that compelled me like it.
    I occasionally like comments on their posts, but I have never actually commented myself. Because people are always quick to jump on you. They either feel your comment isn't relevant or that you are being too negative. I'd much rather come in here and talk in thread. It can get bad in here too, but (sometimes with the help of the moderators) it tends to stay pretty chill and we can just express our thoughts.
  • CynnaCynna Posts: 1,744 Member
    I hope everyone took the survey and expressed their feelings about TS4 there. We all know how seriously EA takes customer satisfaction surveys.. Really though, If we want a Sims 5, the only way to get it, is to STOP buying packs for The Sims 4. They will keep on producing it, if we keep buying it.

    I promise myself I'll try not to buy everything now. I even plan to stop playing this cr*p iteration. Instead I'm discovering TS3 again and I realized there are still so much careers, aspirations, traits etc that I never played with. This is also a joy to have this open world with tons of activities to do, anyway I could praise TS3 for weeks haha. I'm just hoping the new ''Paralives'' project and Paradox with Will Wright will blow us away and break EA. The best thing that could never happen to me as a player.

    Is 'Paralives' really a thing? Can you hook me up with a couple of good links?
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  • RIP-Troika-GamesRIP-Troika-Games Posts: 221 Member
    edited July 15
    @Cynna

    Guy's Twitter: @_amasse
    https://twitter.com/_amasse

    Website.
    https://paralives.com/

    Their Discord:
    Discord.gg/HfcUJWz
    https://discordapp.com/invite/HfcUJWz

    And there is this discussion about it here on the forum:
    https://forums.thesims.com/en_US/discussion/962056/the-sims-future-competitor/p1
  • knuckledusterknuckleduster Posts: 1,229 Member
    edited July 15
    Cinebar wrote: »
    You know back in The Sims I was always so disappointed if I found something that looked interesting and try to click on it and it was just clutter or decor. :( The Sims base and EPs did do things better though since so many paintings, and clutter, or decor such as vases etc. actually could cause something to happen, so I was always trying to figure out if this new piece of 'clutter' was going to do anything and disappointed if it didn't. It was full of many suprises.

    Today, all I hear is clutter, clutter, we want clutter. I want action. That's the difference I guess with me and this generation of gamers. Clutter is cute, pretty, needful for a screen shot, I guess, but it's not gameplay. And there were no hints, you didn't know other than word of mouth if selling a cheap painting which I had increased in value over the weeks, would bring you loads of cash when your Sim was literally starving because the player had spent all the money on furniture and decor. lol That was always a suprise. Or that a painting would produce a NPC that would drive you crazy. The Sims was full of hidden things you never knew a vase or poster might be a mistake for adding to the house or a blessing. :p What does all that clutter do today? Nothing, it lends itself to fake screen shots of the Sim's busy life, not, because they didn't do anything to get it, or find it, or earn it.

    Exactly.
    How hard would it be for them to add this depth to the game?
    But, with the way it is going - it would have to be a whole new neighborhood and the "clutter" objects would only be useable in that particular neighborhood...so ridiculous!

    I am still finding things to explore in my older versions of the Sims.

    Between digging for secret lot maps in Sims 2 and visiting the npcs in the vacation worlds, (applied to ALL neighborhoods!! and all lots!!), all the different activities to do in those worlds, why, i just have to ask why is it so hard for them to program this stuff now?

    It would seem like a no-brainer - given they could do it over 15 years ago.

    Has it really become that dumbed down?

    Those of us who want to support the Sims are paying more for a lot less.
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