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Gamechanger Content for My Wedding Stories?

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    SimmerGeorgeSimmerGeorge Posts: 2,724 Member
    edited February 2022
    Elliandre wrote: »
    Oh okay, so first the Sims team decides to start composing political statement letters and withhold the new game from Russian fans, and now the GC's who attacked their decision demanding Russians be able to access the new content, have decided to start composing political statement tweets of their own and withhold their own video content of the game from ALL of their fans across the whole world.

    There is only so much hypocrisy I can handle with my morning tea. Any GC who withholds the new wedding game reviews from me while composing mini political letters in tweet form is getting an unsubscribe. They're like Mini-EA's. I will not be used as some kind of political pawn to pressure the Sims team into releasing the game to Russia. They should be kicked out of the program. What is this some kind of YouTuber blackmail?

    I guess now will be a good time for me to find some new up and coming GC's. I'm looking for GC's who support Russian players by continuing to express their opinions, talk about the issue, hold debates, share information, create petitions, highlight Russian voices, and don't withhold media content of their own like hypocrites.

    @Elliandre I don't think it's fair of you to call people hypocrites online. I also don't think it's fair of you to think that content these people create belongs to you in any way shape or form. Nobody is withholding anything that belongs to you and nobody is blackmailing you.

    Let's get one thing straight. The content GCs create is their own property and they don't owe anyone anything.

    If you had paid for any content they had promised to deliver then you would have a right to speak about what content they make. As long as you are getting stuff for free then you don't have a right to demand anything from anyone and you don't have the right to bash people online and ask for them to lose their places in the program.
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    lemonellalemonella Posts: 423 Member
    I sort of agree with the with Elliandre above. I’m not unsubscribing from anyone, but I feel like if Game Changers are getting early access to the game for free, which is for review purposes, then they should review it. I’m not jumping up and down about the fact that they still get the game for free and will still get to play it when they aren’t upholding their part in the program by showcasing and reviewing the content. Then they’re no different from those of us that are paying for the pack. Just my opinion though.

    I have a much empathy towards the current situation, and I think standing up for Russian players and our community is great, but I just wish Game Changers wouldn’t withhold their reviews and showcases just to prove a point to EA.
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    XxAirixXXxAirixX Posts: 2,567 Member
    if they changed the cover then it could sell it there because of the law in Russian.

    They don't even have to do that, it's already 18+ in Russia and that law is more for minors. Russia didn't tell them to ban it or change it given the rating it has (at this point, EA should know that), EA did so themselves. That is why I still think the situation is more complex than what they are saying/not telling us the truth (probably more to do with sanctions and the current situation going on) and I doubt people deciding to buy or play the pack or not will change it. Otherwise, they would reversed the decision by now.

    Though it would be nice for EA to be more transparent.
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    g01denswang01denswan Posts: 1,035 Member
    edited February 2022
    So let me see if I got this right…

    Law makers think that being gay is wrong so they create laws to ban same sex marriages and the promotion of same sex marriages in their country
    EA thinks the laws are wrong so they won’t sell the pack in that country
    Game changers think that EA’s decision is wrong so they won’t make any videos using the pack

    So same sex couples can now not only not get married or play the wedding pack, but also not see any videos using the pack. And all this is somehow for the benefit of non-heterosexual couples in that country?
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    OnverserOnverser Posts: 3,364 Member
    edited February 2022
    XxAirixX wrote: »
    if they changed the cover then it could sell it there because of the law in Russian.

    They don't even have to do that, it's already 18+ in Russia and that law is more for minors. Russia didn't tell them to ban it or change it given the rating it has (at this point, EA should know that), EA did so themselves. That is why I still think the situation is more complex than what they are saying/not telling us the truth (probably more to do with sanctions and the current situation going on) and I doubt people deciding to buy or play the pack or not will change it. Otherwise, they would reversed the decision by now.

    Though it would be nice for EA to be more transparent.

    See my comment on the last page :)
    I've seen quite a few people explain that the Russian law means that any content IN the game is fine as it's rated 18+, however they can't show it on the cover because under 18's can see that.

    It's the same as how games in the west can't show explicit content on the cover, but they can show it freely in the game with an 18 rating (ie some video games have nudity in them. They cannot put that on the cover, but that content is allowed in the game because of the 18+ rating). Obviously not saying LGBT content is equal to nudity/sexual content but that's how Russian law regards it
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    honeypooh1267honeypooh1267 Posts: 1,344 Member
    It's started because of the law ---- in Russia because it violates the country's “gay propaganda” law) for the cover of two women getting married.
    this got the Gamepack banned..
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    SimmerGeorgeSimmerGeorge Posts: 2,724 Member
    edited February 2022
    g01denswan wrote: »
    So let me see if I got this right…

    Law makers think that being gay is wrong so they create laws to ban same sex marriages and the promotion of same sex marriages in their country
    EA thinks the laws are wrong so they won’t sell the pack in that country
    Game changers think that EA’s decision is wrong so they won’t make any videos using the pack

    So same sex couples can now not only not get married or play the wedding pack, but also not see any videos using the pack. And all this is somehow for the benefit of non-heterosexual couples in that country?

    @g01denswan According to people who have explained it already EA could have released the pack easily with a 18+ tag on the cover and some minor changes like with all their other sims games and packs, yet they decided to not release it because of the laws as they claimed but a lot of people believe representation is much more important than censorship due to laws that a game company cannot change and people in Russia need gay representation more than ever.
    After letting EA know about this they still not only never replied but they started muting all chat channels on streams and hiding behind excuses.

    You can't blame the game changers for not releasing videos because then people in Russia can't experience the pack through the reviews but not blame EA for not releasing the pack itself. It contradicts itself.
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    Aeroprincess87Aeroprincess87 Posts: 6,423 Member
    Elliandre wrote: »
    Oh okay, so first the Sims team decides to start composing political statement letters and withhold the new game from Russian fans, and now the GC's who attacked their decision demanding Russians be able to access the new content, have decided to start composing political statement tweets of their own and withhold their own video content of the game from ALL of their fans across the whole world.

    There is only so much hypocrisy I can handle with my morning tea. Any GC who withholds the new wedding game reviews from me while composing mini political letters in tweet form is getting an unsubscribe. They're like Mini-EA's. I will not be used as some kind of political pawn to pressure the Sims team into releasing the game to Russia. They should be kicked out of the program. What is this some kind of YouTuber blackmail?

    I guess now will be a good time for me to find some new up and coming GC's. I'm looking for GC's who support Russian players by continuing to express their opinions, talk about the issue, hold debates, share information, create petitions, highlight Russian voices, and don't withhold media content of their own like hypocrites.

    Sadly this is the new state of the world. No one knows how to debate anything anymore. It's all do what I say or I will cancel/punish you. This is the last Sims game I'm buying as I'm just done with society at this point. Everyone is so toxic and hypocritical now.
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    StrawberryYogurtStrawberryYogurt Posts: 2,799 Member
    edited February 2022
    I think its fine for gamechangers to stand by what they believe in and make their own decisions whether to review the packs or not. I just wish they had the same view when it came to the Japanese and the Snowy Escape controversies. I really think that was unfair to the Japanese and all players since it was an optional action. Though I do know there are mods that allow it to return in game. I really dislike it when EA takes sides and cuts content for some, especially when they make it optional and promote they are "inclusive".

    To be fair this was more an a extreme case.Where a whole country excluded.

    Yeah but for SE the content (but only a few aspect) was cut for players around the globe, can only be bypassed by mods. But still I dont mean to compare or derail the thread. Both situations are unfair.
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    catloverplayercatloverplayer Posts: 93,701 Member
    Oh well that is sad. I wanna see reviews before buying it, I mean after seeing the livestream I'm now unsure of getting it. Hopefully lilsimsie will show her content?

    They didn't reveal everything in the livestream cause they were saving it for game changers and its looking like we may not get a preview Tomorrow.

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    SimmerGeorgeSimmerGeorge Posts: 2,724 Member
    edited February 2022
    Hey guys,

    So as you know a lot of the very big EA Gamechangers (Plumbella and so on) have decided not to cover the new pack and not post reviews, let's plays etc.
    Now, you don't have to agree with them and you can openly express disagreement with their decision but I have seen a lot of comments in the forums saying that the Gamechangers are withholding content from people or that this is some kind of blackmail towards viewers and even that they should be kicked off the program.

    I understand your frustration but

    First, the content they create is free for all viewers and they had neither promised the content nor had we paid them in advance to make content for this pack. As far as I understand most of us watch their content for free, knowing that they will post whatever they feel like posting. They do not owe you anything. They are allowed to create any type of content they want and it is 100% their property, not the viewers'.

    Then, people are mentioning that since they are getting the pack for free then they are obligated to make content for it. That could be true but we don't know the exact circumstances. Unless you have read their contracts with EA you cannot know what responsibilities they have to fulfill so my tip for you is to stay out of it. This is between them and EA and we as bystanders don't have any knowledge to be making accusations.

    Finally, some people's behavior in this forum is unbelievable. You cannot go around public forums calling people hypocrites, accusing them of blackmailing you or saying they should be kicked off the Gamechangers program. That is neither constructive nor a decision you have the power to make.

    So, while we all have the right to express our opinion it is very important to remember that we have no right to be telling creators what to do and how to act especially when we get their content for free and they have no obligation towards us.
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    SimmerGeorgeSimmerGeorge Posts: 2,724 Member
    edited February 2022
    Stormkeep wrote: »

    Let's get one thing straight. The content GCs create is their own property and they don't owe anyone anything.

    The same can be said for the game pack and EA choosing to withhold it in Russia. So you aren't giving them the high ground with that "clarification".

    @Elliandre is just saying that she disagrees and why she disagrees with their choice, the same as they are saying they disagree with EA/Maxis. She isn't even saying she disagrees with what they want from EA/Maxis, only what they are doing to get what they want.

    I think she has a valid point. I also think the GCs do. Sometimes both sides of a controversy can have valid points.

    Ofc you can say that. EA can choose to withold the pack from Russia, nobody is forbiding them of doing it but people are on their own accounts deciding not to support EA's decision.
    Both parties have their freedom to do whatever they decide and that is their decision and only theirs. But if the Gamechangers don't agree with that decision why should they support the product?
    So I don't see how this invalidates my point.
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    OnverserOnverser Posts: 3,364 Member
    edited February 2022
    g01denswan wrote: »
    So let me see if I got this right…

    Law makers think that being gay is wrong so they create laws to ban same sex marriages and the promotion of same sex marriages in their country
    EA thinks the laws are wrong so they won’t sell the pack in that country
    Game changers think that EA’s decision is wrong so they won’t make any videos using the pack

    So same sex couples can now not only not get married or play the wedding pack, but also not see any videos using the pack. And all this is somehow for the benefit of non-heterosexual couples in that country?

    According to people who have explained it already EA could have released the pack easily with a 18+ tag on the cover

    That's not how it works sadly, they'd have to fully cover the "offending" imagery with the 18+ tag for it to be allowed on any distribution site (like Origin/Steam) in these countries. For example not a game but if you look at the example of Lorde's Solar Power album, the artwork can only be displayed in stores and certain countries if the "offending" part is covered, they can't just slap an age rating on the corner and then it's ok. The offending part of the image in this case was her butt being visible, so to distribute it in a lot of places they've had to cover it up either with a sticker or lens blur
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    SimmerGeorgeSimmerGeorge Posts: 2,724 Member
    Onverser wrote: »
    That's not how it works sadly, they'd have to fully cover the "offending" imagery with the 18+ tag for it to be allowed on any distribution site (like Origin/Steam) in these countries. For example not a game but if you look at the example of Lorde's Solar Power album, the artwork can only be displayed in stores if the "offending" part is covered, they can't just slap an age rating on the corner and then it's ok.

    @Onverser Yes, thanks for clarifying. I changed my post when I read your comment earlier.
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    SimmerGeorgeSimmerGeorge Posts: 2,724 Member
    edited February 2022
    XxAirixX wrote: »

    I think the issue people have is that they get the game for free to promote it and talk about. That is their job and technically they are refusing to do their job (if it was any other job, you can be fired for refusing to do so). People wouldn't care so much if they had to pay for the game themselves like everyone else.

    I say if people really want to do be political, do it on their own time. That goes for all jobs and businesses as there is a time and place for everything.

    @XxAirixX Again it's not really a job. It's more of a sponsorship and like I said we don't know if they really have to do it. Maybe some Game Changers refused to gain early access all together. We can't be blaming people for what we don't know for sure.

    Also if someone has the right to complain it is EA. Since we are not providing them with any money and are not their customers or their employers I don't think we have a right to be telling them what to do.

    My stance on this topic. It has nothing to do with me so I can stay out of their decision.
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    BlueR0seBlueR0se Posts: 1,621 Member
    I am in favor for the GC's choices either way. Most are (as far as know) only asking for the Sims team to clarify the situation or give further information; not that radical to request that.

    Of course, if EA/Sims teams chooses to omit giving them free copies in the future; that's their right to do as well.

    Gamechangers are just free publicity for EA/Sims team. Like we'll get free info on the pack upon its release eventually. The biggest hindrance is just the wait time; an incoveniance.
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    DaraviDaravi Posts: 1,168 Member
    Onverser wrote: »
    Maybe it's selfish but I really hope some will still do it. We saw quite literally nothing from the live so I'd like to see more of the pack before buying it

    Thank you, I thought the same. The livestream left me very undecided behind and unfortunately, right now, there is no chance to get more informations out of the simgurus, because every guru will clearly get overwhelmed by the russia decision, like in a whack-a-mole game. I understand somehow the gamechangers, but it left a bitter taste in my mouth. They, the gamechangers, got an early access to promote/review the coming gamepack and now they deny to do so.
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    StrawberryYogurtStrawberryYogurt Posts: 2,799 Member
    Its crazy to see being a simmer since Sims 1 to see the Sims now being involved in multiple political controversies. Like the SIMS of all things!
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    catloverplayercatloverplayer Posts: 93,701 Member
    edited February 2022
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    XxAirixXXxAirixX Posts: 2,567 Member
    XxAirixX wrote: »

    I think the issue people have is that they get the game for free to promote it and talk about. That is their job and technically they are refusing to do their job (if it was any other job, you can be fired for refusing to do so). People wouldn't care so much if they had to pay for the game themselves like everyone else.

    I say if people really want to do be political, do it on their own time. That goes for all jobs and businesses as there is a time and place for everything.

    @XxAirixX Again it's not really a job. It's more of a sponsorship and like I said we don't know if they really have to do it. Maybe some Game Changers refused to gain early access all together. We can't be blaming people for what we don't know for sure.

    Also if someone has the right to complain it is EA. Since we are not providing them with any money and are not their customers or their employers I don't think we have a right to be telling them what to do.

    My stance on this topic. It has nothing to do with me so I can stay out of their decision.

    They are literally getting paid (in this case, with free items) to promote and talk about. EA isn't just going to give games away for free as they are a business. game changers are supposed to talk about the games. Same with Sponsorships. You are sponsored to help support that company. They are basically advertisers. It isn't fair that they get free stuff while refusing to promote it afterwards.

    When you agree to their terms, you are agreeing to show off and promote their products to others. So yes, I think we do have the right as we are consumers, we are the ones that are paying.
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    XxAirixXXxAirixX Posts: 2,567 Member
    Its crazy to see being a simmer since Sims 1 to see the Sims now being involved in multiple political controversies. Like the SIMS of all things!

    I wish games would just go back to being games and things go back to normal. Things were so much better back than.
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