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The Sims and "Real Gamers"

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  • simgirl1010simgirl1010 Posts: 35,837 Member
    edited October 2021
    Red flag trend. Users tweet something that is an immediate red flag for another person.

  • Calico45Calico45 Posts: 2,038 Member
    Is the red flag trend something about highlighting mean things people have been told or pointing out and shaming posts?
  • simgirl1010simgirl1010 Posts: 35,837 Member
    More like unpopular opinions.
  • Calico45Calico45 Posts: 2,038 Member
    More like unpopular opinions.

    I'm afraid that just makes me more confused, because I doubt that is TheSims' unpopular opinion.
  • simgirl1010simgirl1010 Posts: 35,837 Member
    It's unpopular with simmers but a common belief held by other gamers.
  • kaiwrysimskaiwrysims Posts: 1,532 Member
    Calico45 wrote: »
    Is the red flag trend something about highlighting mean things people have been told or pointing out and shaming posts?

    Red flags is more like things that you will notice abt someone you meet that will immediately give you a bad impression of them. For example, some people would say it's a red flag if someone eats somewhere and leaves it dirty instead of cleaning up after themselves because "it's the worker's job". This can be a red flag because it could mean the person is stuck up or have no sympathy for minimum wage workers.

    It depends on what it could mean for you. That's why different people have different red flags based on their experiences.
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  • kaiwrysimskaiwrysims Posts: 1,532 Member
    It's unpopular with simmers but a common belief held by other gamers.

    Yeah that's why someone being a gamer is a red flag for me but I also want someone to gush abt games with lol. So I'm conflicted. Anyways I feel like I'm derailing this thread lol
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  • Calico45Calico45 Posts: 2,038 Member
    Okay, so highlighting things people do or say that make you wary. I personally feel that opinion is held by a vocal minority rather than a majority (and I do play some games with rough communities like Ark Survival Evolved), but there are 100% people that will try to shame you with anything they think they can.

    I've seen multiple times on the Steam forums that if your profile isn't private and you catch the attention of a... Let's go with bully, then (s)he will search your profile for a game to try to shame you over. Same for profiles pics on YouTube. I think it is just a thing those type of people do. Most people I encounter are fine, but it just takes that one bad apple, doesn't it?

    But I have detailed this thread enough, too. Thank you so much for explaining it to me, @simgirl1010 and @kaiwrysims. These threads are very helpful for keeping up with stuff.
  • ACruelButLovingGodACruelButLovingGod Posts: 708 Member
    It's unpopular with simmers but a common belief held by other gamers.

    I consider myself a fairly hardcore gamer (I've been paid actual money to write about them, after all) and I do draw a distinction between "proper games" and what Will Wright himself called "software toys." There's nothing wrong with those kinds of games, but I do think if you put a simmer who was just a simmer and a "gamer" at the same table for lunch, they'd not have anything to talk about. The Sims doesn't really "speak the language" of gaming, and gaming doesn't speak the language of The Sims (or a lot of other subgenres that get called games but don't "speak gamer", like a lot of true-to-life simulations that aren't built around a 'game' that you 'win', games like American/Euro Truck Simulator for example.)
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  • logionlogion Posts: 4,718 Member
    It's unpopular with simmers but a common belief held by other gamers.

    I myself haven't heard that from other communities, maybe I don't visit them that much... I was not a huge fan of that tweet. I feel that The Sims account should be more welcoming towards other gaming communities, but them posting stuff like this just turns me away.

    Sorry, did not mean to get off-topic.
  • ignominiusrexignominiusrex Posts: 2,680 Member
    It's unpopular with simmers but a common belief held by other gamers.

    I consider myself a fairly hardcore gamer (I've been paid actual money to write about them, after all) and I do draw a distinction between "proper games" and what Will Wright himself called "software toys." There's nothing wrong with those kinds of games, but I do think if you put a simmer who was just a simmer and a "gamer" at the same table for lunch, they'd not have anything to talk about. The Sims doesn't really "speak the language" of gaming, and gaming doesn't speak the language of The Sims (or a lot of other subgenres that get called games but don't "speak gamer", like a lot of true-to-life simulations that aren't built around a 'game' that you 'win', games like American/Euro Truck Simulator for example.)

    So Minecraft would not qualify as a game because it's not one you win either.
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  • WildIrishBansheeWildIrishBanshee Posts: 2,105 Member
    I'm a gamer. I play MMOs and some other hardcore games. But I also enjoy The Sims. They don't have to be mutually exclusive, a gamer can play anything lol.
  • bshag4lvbshag4lv Posts: 9,374 Member
    As I have said before, I am a sims player only. I have some casino games on computer, phone and tablets, maybe a card game or two, but that's it. I have never been a big fan of what I call the "hard core games" as run, jump, shoot, kill games. Those games are for gamers who can react quickly and have great eye to hand coordination which I do not have. :D But far be it from me to criticize anyone who plays those games, good for them, but not for me. :)
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  • BeardedgeekBeardedgeek Posts: 5,520 Member
    Sindocat wrote: »
    Many self-professed "hardcore gamers" feel that way.

    And many of us casual players who have been enjoying video games since the days of Space Invaders and Pac-Man still consider it a false distinction. That's like a person who reads crime thrillers saying that Anne of Green Gables isn't really a novel.

    The fact is, there is a dearth of games in my personal sweet-spot, which is creative AND collaborative rather than competitive - but I am used to not having mainstream tastes. I just make do playing games toward my own goals, in my own way, and not caring what hyper-competitive type-A gamers think. ;)

    The Sims is a video-game. Google Earth is a software toy. ;)

    But I feel like we're getting off-topic.

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    It's funny, because it really should be the other way around.
    The people who consider themselves "hardcore gamers" tend to be very limited to one or two games, one or two genres. While calling the people who are into indie games, simulators, Sims, Animal crossing etc "Casuals".

    The way I see it, it would be like having the people only listening to the latest top 5 hit list of music calling those who have several albums of obscure music at home "casual music lovers".
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  • kaiwrysimskaiwrysims Posts: 1,532 Member
    Sindocat wrote: »
    Many self-professed "hardcore gamers" feel that way.

    And many of us casual players who have been enjoying video games since the days of Space Invaders and Pac-Man still consider it a false distinction. That's like a person who reads crime thrillers saying that Anne of Green Gables isn't really a novel.

    The fact is, there is a dearth of games in my personal sweet-spot, which is creative AND collaborative rather than competitive - but I am used to not having mainstream tastes. I just make do playing games toward my own goals, in my own way, and not caring what hyper-competitive type-A gamers think. ;)

    The Sims is a video-game. Google Earth is a software toy. ;)

    But I feel like we're getting off-topic.

    EDIT (so as not to derail) Ty Antares, one of my Journey to Batuu sims, as his alter-ego in a different EA title. ;)

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    It's funny, because it really should be the other way around.
    The people who consider themselves "hardcore gamers" tend to be very limited to one or two games, one or two genres. While calling the people who are into indie games, simulators, Sims, Animal crossing etc "Casuals".

    The way I see it, it would be like having the people only listening to the latest top 5 hit list of music calling those who have several albums of obscure music at home "casual music lovers".

    I think it has to do with looter shooters being more "masculine" and life simulators and games that are more chill with no fighting or really any competition is seen as "feminine" so then feminine games or games with a higher female audience is seen as less of a game that "real gamers" play than games with a higher male audience.
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  • BluegayleBluegayle Posts: 4,184 Member
    @simgirl1010 LOL I think you have lost your thread. <3
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  • BeardedgeekBeardedgeek Posts: 5,520 Member
    kaiwrysims wrote: »
    Sindocat wrote: »
    Many self-professed "hardcore gamers" feel that way.

    And many of us casual players who have been enjoying video games since the days of Space Invaders and Pac-Man still consider it a false distinction. That's like a person who reads crime thrillers saying that Anne of Green Gables isn't really a novel.

    The fact is, there is a dearth of games in my personal sweet-spot, which is creative AND collaborative rather than competitive - but I am used to not having mainstream tastes. I just make do playing games toward my own goals, in my own way, and not caring what hyper-competitive type-A gamers think. ;)

    The Sims is a video-game. Google Earth is a software toy. ;)

    But I feel like we're getting off-topic.

    EDIT (so as not to derail) Ty Antares, one of my Journey to Batuu sims, as his alter-ego in a different EA title. ;)

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    It's funny, because it really should be the other way around.
    The people who consider themselves "hardcore gamers" tend to be very limited to one or two games, one or two genres. While calling the people who are into indie games, simulators, Sims, Animal crossing etc "Casuals".

    The way I see it, it would be like having the people only listening to the latest top 5 hit list of music calling those who have several albums of obscure music at home "casual music lovers".

    I think it has to do with looter shooters being more "masculine" and life simulators and games that are more chill with no fighting or really any competition is seen as "feminine" so then feminine games or games with a higher female audience is seen as less of a game that "real gamers" play than games with a higher male audience.

    Oh no doubt; after all it's the same people who fight against acceability options and difficulty settings just because they want to gatekeep games.
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  • cynciecyncie Posts: 4,641 Member
    edited October 2021
    Meh. I play games to relax. Give me Sims and puzzle based games any day. Others play games to compete and enjoy the rush. That’s their thing, and that’s fine. Shoot and Kill games just stress me out. Simulators probably bore the heck out of adrenaline junkies. I just play what I like and don’t mind the rest. If someone needs a game to make them feel superior, it doesn’t bother me. As for what they think of me…


    I don’t know…

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  • Mstybl95Mstybl95 Posts: 5,883 Member
    I'd consider myself a gamer, but not that kind of gamer.

    I prefer games that require actual logic and skill to complete tasks instead of the bang bang types. Simulation is my jam and nothing will ever be better than that for me. Just because I'm building things and thinking about how to get systems to work together, how to not let my dinosaurs escape, and how to not drown my tourists on that ride doesn't mean I'm not gaming. And just because I prefer to play alone rather than with a bunch of dunderheads doesn't mean I'm not a gamer. I literally own every console type and Stadia, plus have 6 gaming PCs/laptops at home and spend 80% of my free time playing something. The only thing I can't get down with is mobile gaming, but that doesn't mean I haven't tried.
  • SimmingalSimmingal Posts: 8,947 Member
    edited October 2021
    I don't really like to use term "gamer" for myself anyway

    so If playing The Sims + other fun games does not count for the high and mighty G4m3r 0v3r70rd5

    thats just good news to me tbh.
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  • kaiwrysimskaiwrysims Posts: 1,532 Member
    cyncie wrote: »
    Meh. I play games to relax. Give me Sims and puzzle based games any day. Others play games to compete and enjoy the rush. That’s their thing, and that’s fine. Shoot and Kill games just stress me out. Simulators probably bore the heck out of adrenaline junkies. I just play what I like and don’t mind the rest. If someone needs a game to make them feel superior, it doesn’t bother me. As for what they think of me…


    I don’t know…

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    And I don’t care

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  • JyotaiJyotai Posts: 505 Member
    It's unpopular with simmers but a common belief held by other gamers.

    I've never heard it before.

    16 or so years in MMOs and if I ever even saw mention of The Sims it would have been in a conversation unimportant and long forgotten at best.

    "Real Gamers" though, sounds like the sort of label only young gamers and old gamers would care about.

    "Older People" sometimes try to insist that their game of choice isn't really a game (this insistence is an endless pass-time of people in 'virtual world / metaverse' platforms or various things you click on Facebook), and younger people want to be seen as the "real pure gamers."


    The rest of us stuck in the middle are just trying to 'play through' the course.
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  • Inna MinnitInna Minnit Posts: 2,008 Member
    I didn't consider myself a "gamer" while I was still only playing the sims. But I have branched out in the last few years and play a lot of different kinds of games. I have hosted game servers. I guess finally consider myself a gamer. lol
  • DaWaterRatDaWaterRat Posts: 3,353 Member
    Most of these upstart "real gamers" are just kids anyway. I played Pac Man, Centipedem and Q-Bert in the arcade, my first console was an Atari 2600.

    For all that, while I consider myself a hard core gamer, I'm just not a hard core computer gamer. Give me rule books, dice, a bag of Doritos, a 2 liter bottle of Mountain Dew and a handful of friends who want to tell a story together. :wink:

    Sims is real gaming. So is D&D, and 7th Sea, and Traveler, and Champions, and...
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