ALL sims should stop cleaning unless they are neat. Drives me crazy that all sims get up to wash their own dishes after eating and it makes chores useless.
It's not just a child issue. My friends literally go around cleaning my house all day. Let me be a slob in peace lol
I made a post about this before but no one seemed to think it was a problem....
And yes I tried mods. Doesn't work. I tried atleast 3 different ones and they still get up to do their own dishes.
I agree! All the sims clean too much, and it drives me crazy!
I don't understand why kids would rather empty the trash rather than play with their toys; it doesn't make any sense.
The Neat trait is also practically useless if all sims clean autonomously.
I guess simmers don't care because it makes their games easier? Personally, I like some challenge in my game!
I think it’s so weird that children who are guests will stop watching TV to go take out the garbage or clear the dishes from the table in the next room. I don’t care if you’re a neat freak, no kid does that.
Why can’t the kids just relax and hang out with their friends?
I use Bienchen’s mods to stop the autonomous cleaning.
I got so annoyed with sim children not playing with their toys or watching TV so they could empty the trash or mop up a puddle. They don't have the Neat trait, so they shouldn't be acting like that. It's just bad autonomy.
It would make more sense if children had some more specific life skills such Chores (which could include cleaning among other things), for example which can't trigger autonomously until a certain value is reached.
Cleaning does generate responsibility points, but again, cleaning autonomously when this value is low doesn't make much sense.
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My pretty child, my sweet one.
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I also use noautonomouswashdishaftereating
(I would rather one sim collect them all for the dishwasher)
And I use several others on the page, they’re just fabulous!
Is this something has changed in the last four years? Because when I played Parenthood at release kids who made messes were not cleaning them up. Such as they would mess up the whole area in New Crest and it was the homeless (who pick up trash) who would come around and start cleaning up the paint messes. I'm thinking this is new? maybe since the Dust pack? Kids didn't clean up unless I played Parenthood in specific ways. I didn't have to cancel out washing the dishes and or trying to help with the toddler (teens) like I did back in TS2. Which was annoying often since I didn't want sloppy kids to clean up dishes back then. (they nerfed personality points with a clean up patch once in TS2).
This should all be trait related but if kids are doing a lot of cleaning then it sort of takes away from needing a maid and or the vacuum or playing a messy story or Parenthood.
"Games Are Not The Place To Tell Stories, Games Are Meant To Let People Tell Their Own Stories"...Will Wright.
Is this something has changed in the last four years?
No, I don’t remember it ever being any different. I don’t have Bust the Dust and it didn’t just start happening with that kit release.
The autonomy for all sims just feels samey and repetitive. But to me, it’s especially noticeable in children when they are guests in someone else’s home. I have my kids try to engage with them, but given a spare moment they will go take out the garbage.
I posted a thread similar to this a couple years ago, but it seems like the devs didn't really care...So.....
This needs to stop.
When I was a kid, I don't recall EVER willingly washing the dishes, taking out the trash, or cleaning of my own free will. My parents would have to train me to do these things.
Why do the sim children do these things autonomously? It doesn't make sense. Parents should train their kids to clean, they shouldn't just do it on their own. In the real world, parents clean up after their kids, NOT the other way around
This is so annoying and immersion breaking. It also makes the game too easy.
Can we please stop having this annoying, unrealistic and immersion breaking autonomous action cancelled??
And yes, I am annoyed by this. I hate having to cancel my kids' actions when they attempt to take out the trash autonomously. I was actually so irritated that I exited out of the game and made this post.
Let kids be kids, not MINIATURE ADULTS. THANKS!!!!
Edit: And I'm not saying that all kids should be slobs. What I'm saying is that not all kids should autonomously clean, like they currently do in game. The only one who should clean autonomously are kids with the Neat or Proper traits.
I think you are being a bit dramatic. Do you want your sims house to be dirty all the time? They aren't gonna recode a whole aspect of the game just because a few people don't like it. They don't care that much. It would make a lot of people angry too. Plus you talk about it not being realistic, but it's not realistic that ghosts come out of their graves, or that there is a secret world in a tree either. Is it really that big a deal?
I'm not having this "issue" in my game. Some kids clean some don't. They leave dishes after they are through eating and I have to tell them to clean it up. They leave toys on the floor which the parents will normally put up. Messes made on the floor by kids aren't automatically cleaned up either unless they are told to. Also children can learn from watching. I can remember seeing my parents clear away the table after dinner and when I could reach the sink, I did the same thing without them telling me to do it. I just followed their example. Either way if a sim is through eating no matter what the age they should either put the dishes in the sink, dishwasher but don't just leave it there for it to start emitting green stuff.
But to those who are okay with it, doesn't it make your maid and butler useless?
A modder once said they could not stop the automatic dishes cleaning 100% or it would effect the maid too. Don't know how true it is but maybe that's the reason...
I think this is another symptom of object attraction largely being decoupled from the properties of the sim. I don't know for sure, but it doesn't feel like they are connected.
Child sims outside of their unique interactions largely seem to behave the same way as any other sim. One of the main sims I play has the lazy trait, but one sniff of a dirty dish and he is up cleaning it, so the trait/age etc seems to have zero effect on sim behavior, child or otherwise and it is the dirty plate/mess, etc that is calling the shots.
Awake.
Shake dreams from your hair
My pretty child, my sweet one.
Choose the day and choose the sign of your day
The day's divinity.... The Ghost Song - Jim Morrison
But to those who are okay with it, doesn't it make your maid and butler useless?
A modder once said they could not stop the automatic dishes cleaning 100% or it would effect the maid too. Don't know how true it is but maybe that's the reason...
It's true that it also affects the maid, but there are ways to tell the game that the maid is allowed to do stuff other Sims aren't allowed to do. It's not the classical autonomy mod though where you can just set autonomy to false and you're good. So that part is indeed true.
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It would make more sense if children had some more specific life skills such Chores (which could include cleaning among other things), for example which can't trigger autonomously until a certain value is reached.
Cleaning does generate responsibility points, but again, cleaning autonomously when this value is low doesn't make much sense.
It basically makes the Parenthood Values system useless, which is disappointing because I do like the Parenthood pack
I would have liked Chores, or even just having a Cleaning skill in the game would have been nice.
Is this something has changed in the last four years?
No, I don’t remember it ever being any different. I don’t have Bust the Dust and it didn’t just start happening with that kit release.
The autonomy for all sims just feels samey and repetitive. But to me, it’s especially noticeable in children when they are guests in someone else’s home. I have my kids try to engage with them, but given a spare moment they will go take out the garbage.
If not trait related then maybe mod related? Because honestly this never happened in my game and has to be a thing these past three years.
"Games Are Not The Place To Tell Stories, Games Are Meant To Let People Tell Their Own Stories"...Will Wright.
Is this something has changed in the last four years?
No, I don’t remember it ever being any different. I don’t have Bust the Dust and it didn’t just start happening with that kit release.
The autonomy for all sims just feels samey and repetitive. But to me, it’s especially noticeable in children when they are guests in someone else’s home. I have my kids try to engage with them, but given a spare moment they will go take out the garbage.
If not trait related then maybe mod related? Because honestly this never happened in my game and has to be a thing these past three years.
Whenever it’s happened, the first thing I considered was the kid’s trait, and that wasn’t it.
My use of mods is way more recent, and out of desperation over annoying stuff like this. That sounds dramatic but I have no better way to phrase it. ETA: The main reason I avoided using mods before 2021 is because I wanted to know whether something I experienced was a legitimate bug or not. LOL, like it has made any difference. After 6.5 years, it was time for me to get some mods or completely stop playing. But to be fair, I don’t talk about bugs unless I know it’s been happening before or without mods. (Not saying this is a bug, btw, just more thoughtless autonomy.)
ETA2: But if it wasn’t something that happened in the game, there would be no reason for anyone to make a mod dictating that children would stop these cleaning interactions unless it suited their trait.
My sim kids autonomously clean up after themselves and I am happy with it, because I hate mess and play with big families. I would be really upset if it was to be nerfed.
I posted a thread similar to this a couple years ago, but it seems like the devs didn't really care...So.....
This needs to stop.
When I was a kid, I don't recall EVER willingly washing the dishes, taking out the trash, or cleaning of my own free will. My parents would have to train me to do these things.
Why do the sim children do these things autonomously? It doesn't make sense. Parents should train their kids to clean, they shouldn't just do it on their own. In the real world, parents clean up after their kids, NOT the other way around
This is so annoying and immersion breaking. It also makes the game too easy.
Can we please stop having this annoying, unrealistic and immersion breaking autonomous action cancelled??
And yes, I am annoyed by this. I hate having to cancel my kids' actions when they attempt to take out the trash autonomously. I was actually so irritated that I exited out of the game and made this post.
Let kids be kids, not MINIATURE ADULTS. THANKS!!!!
Edit: And I'm not saying that all kids should be slobs. What I'm saying is that not all kids should autonomously clean, like they currently do in game. The only one who should clean autonomously are kids with the Neat or Proper traits.
I’m not that annoyed by the cleaning tbh. I don’t like seeing visitors (adults, teens and kids) start cleaning the house they’re in.
It’s odd to see guests or kids visit, then break off socialising to wash up a plate or take out the trash.
I started cleaning as a kid as my parents were slobby. No one taught me, I just thought someone has to clean so I did it. So if Sim children start auto cleaning due to their own house being dirty I get that.
I think it would be better if cleaning other houses or community lots depend on their traits.
My brother and I had chores everyday after school. We quickly learned it was better to get them out of the way as soon as we got home. Then we would be free to play. Homework was done after dinner.
When we were younger we 'play' cleaned with Mom. My brother especially liked the vacuum cleaner because it was so noisy. He would run over to it and grab it right away. There may also have been an element of power to this;, he liked it when he sucked up a sock, rug edge or curtain, which meant he had to stop and fiddle to get it working again. He also laughed a lot when the dog ran away as the machine drew near.
My sim kids autonomously clean up after themselves and I am happy with it, because I hate mess and play with big families. I would be really upset if it was to be nerfed.
You could just add the "Neat" trait to all your kids. Or just have the parents train them to clean, with the Parenthood pack.
It doesn't really make sense that all kids just clean up after themselves all the time.
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I agree! All the sims clean too much, and it drives me crazy!
I don't understand why kids would rather empty the trash rather than play with their toys; it doesn't make any sense.
The Neat trait is also practically useless if all sims clean autonomously.
I guess simmers don't care because it makes their games easier? Personally, I like some challenge in my game!
I got so annoyed with sim children not playing with their toys or watching TV so they could empty the trash or mop up a puddle. They don't have the Neat trait, so they shouldn't be acting like that. It's just bad autonomy.
BTW I'd love to know what mod that is
Cleaning does generate responsibility points, but again, cleaning autonomously when this value is low doesn't make much sense.
Shake dreams from your hair
My pretty child, my sweet one.
Choose the day and choose the sign of your day
The day's divinity....
The Ghost Song - Jim Morrison
https://deichschafblog.de/bienchen/autonomie-mods-autonomy-mods/
It’s called Lessautocleaningforminors
I also use noautonomouswashdishaftereating
(I would rather one sim collect them all for the dishwasher)
And I use several others on the page, they’re just fabulous!
This should all be trait related but if kids are doing a lot of cleaning then it sort of takes away from needing a maid and or the vacuum or playing a messy story or Parenthood.
The autonomy for all sims just feels samey and repetitive. But to me, it’s especially noticeable in children when they are guests in someone else’s home. I have my kids try to engage with them, but given a spare moment they will go take out the garbage.
I think you are being a bit dramatic. Do you want your sims house to be dirty all the time? They aren't gonna recode a whole aspect of the game just because a few people don't like it. They don't care that much. It would make a lot of people angry too. Plus you talk about it not being realistic, but it's not realistic that ghosts come out of their graves, or that there is a secret world in a tree either. Is it really that big a deal?
A modder once said they could not stop the automatic dishes cleaning 100% or it would effect the maid too. Don't know how true it is but maybe that's the reason...
Child sims outside of their unique interactions largely seem to behave the same way as any other sim. One of the main sims I play has the lazy trait, but one sniff of a dirty dish and he is up cleaning it, so the trait/age etc seems to have zero effect on sim behavior, child or otherwise and it is the dirty plate/mess, etc that is calling the shots.
Shake dreams from your hair
My pretty child, my sweet one.
Choose the day and choose the sign of your day
The day's divinity....
The Ghost Song - Jim Morrison
It's true that it also affects the maid, but there are ways to tell the game that the maid is allowed to do stuff other Sims aren't allowed to do. It's not the classical autonomy mod though where you can just set autonomy to false and you're good. So that part is indeed true.
However, I get that this is not a universal opinion, and I'm sorry it's breaking the immersion for you. I know I have stuff like that as well.
It basically makes the Parenthood Values system useless, which is disappointing because I do like the Parenthood pack
I would have liked Chores, or even just having a Cleaning skill in the game would have been nice.
If not trait related then maybe mod related? Because honestly this never happened in my game and has to be a thing these past three years.
Whenever it’s happened, the first thing I considered was the kid’s trait, and that wasn’t it.
My use of mods is way more recent, and out of desperation over annoying stuff like this. That sounds dramatic but I have no better way to phrase it. ETA: The main reason I avoided using mods before 2021 is because I wanted to know whether something I experienced was a legitimate bug or not. LOL, like it has made any difference. After 6.5 years, it was time for me to get some mods or completely stop playing. But to be fair, I don’t talk about bugs unless I know it’s been happening before or without mods. (Not saying this is a bug, btw, just more thoughtless autonomy.)
ETA2: But if it wasn’t something that happened in the game, there would be no reason for anyone to make a mod dictating that children would stop these cleaning interactions unless it suited their trait.
I’m not that annoyed by the cleaning tbh. I don’t like seeing visitors (adults, teens and kids) start cleaning the house they’re in.
It’s odd to see guests or kids visit, then break off socialising to wash up a plate or take out the trash.
I started cleaning as a kid as my parents were slobby. No one taught me, I just thought someone has to clean so I did it. So if Sim children start auto cleaning due to their own house being dirty I get that.
I think it would be better if cleaning other houses or community lots depend on their traits.
When we were younger we 'play' cleaned with Mom. My brother especially liked the vacuum cleaner because it was so noisy. He would run over to it and grab it right away. There may also have been an element of power to this;, he liked it when he sucked up a sock, rug edge or curtain, which meant he had to stop and fiddle to get it working again. He also laughed a lot when the dog ran away as the machine drew near.
You could just add the "Neat" trait to all your kids. Or just have the parents train them to clean, with the Parenthood pack.
It doesn't really make sense that all kids just clean up after themselves all the time.