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The Sims 4 will be FREE to download across PC/Mac & Consoles on October 18! More info here: here
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Sims 4 may be here for quite awhile.

“In a recent article by gamesindustry.biz, Maxis VP/GM Catharina Mallet states that Maxis is committed to a “long term” nurture of The Sims 4 community. How long is “long term? Well according to Catharina, the gaming industry talks about supporting successful games for 10 years, 15 years or longer. She then goes on to state that Maxis is committed to long term success, but does not specify how long that will last.

The Sims 4 turns 7 in September.”

From - https://simsvip.com/2021/05/13/maxis-gm-catharina-mallet-were-committed-to-the-sims-4-for-long-term/


To me this is good news, but I know it’s a bitter pill for some.

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  • BabykittyjadeBabykittyjade Posts: 4,407 Member
    edited May 2021
    I'm not surprised. Remember that article about them upgrading the core of the game basically?!!!🤭🤭 wait I think it was a job posting. Well whatever it was it means pretty exciting stuff is coming if you ask me. Plus the gurus said "years" and this is a new trend in games. I want this game to go on and on honestly but I fear what I'll have left in (10) years when the nerfing crowd is done😳
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  • logionlogion Posts: 4,407 Member
    edited May 2021
    This game will go on for so long that the community will shift playing the same game. Old simmers will disappear and new simmers will wonder why they are playing a 15 year old game, that's so disappointing to hear.

    I could post arguments that sims4 will end up with $1200 DLC that will take up 100GB on your hard drive and will cause endless bugs and performance issues but I know Maxis doesn't care about that so I won't bother.
  • ACruelButLovingGodACruelButLovingGod Posts: 708 Member
    This is one of my favorite trends in gaming, where companies walk a line between a live-service game (ew) and a "rush out a new franchise title every year" (ew.)

    The sweet spot's right in the middle. It's the "model trains at the hobby shop" business model, where you sell the basic kit for dirt cheap (Paradox even took this to its logical conclusion when it made Crusader Kings 2's basegame free-to-play) and then put out a wide variety of add-ons to suit your customer base's playstyles.

    Some people complain that this is a fine way to get $600 out of someone when you used to get $40 out of them (valid), others complain that the DLC is all stuff they don't care about (also valid), others just complain because anything that costs money sets off their sense of entitlement (not valid.)

    But personally, I love this trend, and I have a couple of games—though not too many, I can only afford so many lifestyle games!—that work on this principle, from Sims 4 to the Truck Simulator games to Crusader Kings 2 (and now 3.)
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  • Pamtastic72Pamtastic72 Posts: 4,531 Member
    I'm not surprised. Remember that article about them upgrading the core of the game basically?!!!🤭🤭 wait I think it was a job posting. Well whatever it was it means pretty exciting stuff is coming if you ask me. Plus the gurus said "years" and this is a new trend in games. I want this game to go on and on honestly but I fear what I'll have left in (10) years when the nerfing crowd is done😳

    I agree with you there. I too am happy to have it go on. If the rumors about 5 are true at all, count me out.
  • ScobreScobre Posts: 20,665 Member
    Yeah I have been worried about the sequel to the Sims Online being the Sims 5 too. I think it will take 20 years to fix the base game alone in the Sims 4 and in the meantime those with old computers will get left behind as the Sims 4 continues to be developed with excess content.
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  • GordyGordy Posts: 2,576 Member
    I'm happy with this because I live in fear of Multiplayer Sims 5.
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  • SharoniaSharonia Posts: 4,782 Member
    edited May 2021
    I will be more than happy to keep going forward with the Sims 4 if and only if they sort out it’s many issues along the way other wise just end it and let the mod community fix it.
    Gordy wrote: »
    I'm happy with this because I live in fear of Multiplayer Sims 5.

    Also this... ^^
  • YunaYuna Posts: 228 Member
    edited May 2021
    I get the feeling Sims 5 will be some Sims Life Stories Mode and once youre done youre doing either competition mode and online-stuff(with subscription) while Sims 4 will be the main income cash for soloplayers(i get the feeling kit has something to do with it too..). Theyre probably gonna pull this off til they decide to move onto making Sims 5 more soloplayerfriendly. I can totally see them doing it lol
  • JyotaiJyotai Posts: 478 Member
    Good news from my perspective.

    After all, if Sims 5 ends up being 'Second Life with better graphics' (as in; Sims Online 2) I won't see any point to getting it.

    People here keep complaining about the cost of the DLC, but I just compare it to the cost of an MMO subscription or the cost of all the massive amounts of microtransactions "free" games manage to convince users to buy, and it comes up being fairly cheap.

    For me, it was pricey because I bought a lot of DLC all around the same time, but if you took that all and divided it out across 7 years - it's cheap.

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  • ACruelButLovingGodACruelButLovingGod Posts: 708 Member
    Jyotai wrote: »
    For me, it was pricey because I bought a lot of DLC all around the same time, but if you took that all and divided it out across 7 years - it's cheap.

    I found the cost was a lot more bearable by generally waiting for a sale. Although more recently I've been buying stuff that hooks my interest right away when it's new. But I was late to the Sims 4 game—picked it up when it was on sale at a deep discount in December of '18—and that meant most stuff I could get for cheap(-ish.)
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  • DoodlyDoofusDoodlyDoofus Posts: 1,132 Member
    Oh boy, can't wait to see what bugs we get 3 years from now when we get the 20th Expansion pack piled onto this mishmash of spaghetti code. They'll still be trying to fix the bugs we have now but here comes a new expansion pack that's going to break at least 2 or 3 stuff, game or fellow expansion packs. It's going to look like Sims 3 by the time they finally finish Sims 4, a putrid buggy mess.
  • VeeDubVeeDub Posts: 1,862 Member
    Jyotai wrote: »
    Good news from my perspective.

    After all, if Sims 5 ends up being 'Second Life with better graphics' (as in; Sims Online 2) I won't see any point to getting it.

    People here keep complaining about the cost of the DLC, but I just compare it to the cost of an MMO subscription or the cost of all the massive amounts of microtransactions "free" games manage to convince users to buy, and it comes up being fairly cheap.

    For me, it was pricey because I bought a lot of DLC all around the same time, but if you took that all and divided it out across 7 years - it's cheap.

    Good points. Before taking up Sims 4, Elite Dangerous was my go-to. As I've posted somewhere around here before, I was looking for something less life-consuming. By that I mean (in part) that beyond the base game (which I still think is a really good space sim), I had to pay for every little extra thing to add a bit more flavor or variety, even just new paint colors for ships, and they weren't cheap. Serendipity led me to Sims 4 when it was free during a promo deal about 3 years ago, and that was that (despite my initial misgivings because my short foray into Sims 3 a few years ago left me unimpressed, lol).

    I've never paid full price for any Sims 4 DLC, though. I only buy the ones of a reasonable amount of interest to me, and I always buy during sales. I don't mind waiting; it gives me time to figure out which ones I really want and which I'd be better off without, anyway.
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  • AmeliaToddAmeliaTodd Posts: 226 Member
    I'm pretty excited if it's true and especially if upgrading the engine is in the plans. I love so many aspects of this game and feel that I can play it for years. In the past there were so many games that I wanted keep playing but they would only get 1 or 2 DLC and then I had to wait years for the next version of it and there was no guarantee that I would like it. (example: loved Morrowind, was pretty meh about Oblivion still kinda got into it and played it, skipped Skyrim entirely, still dreaming about Morrowind getting an engine reboot).

    Like others my only concern right now is that the developers will choose the easy way out in the future and censor/nerf every bit of the gameplay because of social pressure and that's not only in the regard of the recent issue, but also occults and the general unpredictability of the game (an aspect that I like), but the fact that they do try to introduce more toggles lately, is a bit reassuring.
  • jpsulsuldagdagjpsulsuldagdag Posts: 389 Member
    I think it's nice. They will keep improving the game and hopefully add things that the players really want. Don't care about Sims 5, especially that it may be a multiplayer.
  • mewo13mewo13 Posts: 60 Member
    Good news for me. I'm still holding out hope that Sims 4 is gonna get its... shii-- erm, act together and actually improve on the gameplay.

    The graphics are great and build mode is godmode but the gameplay is just so lackluster, limiting and too easy/sanitized.

    Maybe I'm just delulu.
  • LJKLJK Posts: 205 Member
    As dissatisfied I am with TS4, I am actually okay with this. I've no hope for TS5 at this point, so I look forward to seeing what they do to this game. An extra 7 more years is more opportunities to do good things for it.
  • SamDennySamDenny Posts: 596 Member
    logion wrote: »
    This game will go on for so long that the community will shift playing the same game. Old simmers will disappear and new simmers will wonder why they are playing a 15 year old game, that's so disappointing to hear.

    I could post arguments that sims4 will end up with $1200 DLC that will take up 100GB on your hard drive and will cause endless bugs and performance issues but I know Maxis doesn't care about that so I won't bother.

    Right now its 789,59€ / 952$ for everything.
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  • crocobauracrocobaura Posts: 5,624 Member
    I like TS4, it runs fine on my laptop. Wish they would improve some things and fix some bugs, but otherwise it's good. To release Sims 5 at this point it would need to be justified by some major improvement or change, either graphically or gameplay, and they are probably not ready for that yet and the associated costs involved.
  • logionlogion Posts: 4,407 Member
    SamDenny wrote: »
    logion wrote: »
    This game will go on for so long that the community will shift playing the same game. Old simmers will disappear and new simmers will wonder why they are playing a 15 year old game, that's so disappointing to hear.

    I could post arguments that sims4 will end up with $1200 DLC that will take up 100GB on your hard drive and will cause endless bugs and performance issues but I know Maxis doesn't care about that so I won't bother.

    Right now its 789,59€ / 952$ for everything.

    After 15 years it will be at least double that then.
    Oh boy, can't wait to see what bugs we get 3 years from now when we get the 20th Expansion pack piled onto this mishmash of spaghetti code. They'll still be trying to fix the bugs we have now but here comes a new expansion pack that's going to break at least 2 or 3 stuff, game or fellow expansion packs. It's going to look like Sims 3 by the time they finally finish Sims 4, a putrid buggy mess.

    That's not even something that will probably happen anymore, that will happen.
  • CinebarCinebar Posts: 33,509 Member
    edited May 2021
    Jyotai wrote: »
    Good news from my perspective.

    After all, if Sims 5 ends up being 'Second Life with better graphics' (as in; Sims Online 2) I won't see any point to getting it.

    People here keep complaining about the cost of the DLC, but I just compare it to the cost of an MMO subscription or the cost of all the massive amounts of microtransactions "free" games manage to convince users to buy, and it comes up being fairly cheap.

    For me, it was pricey because I bought a lot of DLC all around the same time, but if you took that all and divided it out across 7 years - it's cheap.

    Here's the problem with the logic, hardcore Simmers don't play MMOs some never did go for any of them, nor any free to play game, nor any subscription game, nor The Sims Mobile, or the Story packs from TS2 nor any of Maxis other titles or any other company's titles. So, TS4 being run like any other game that costs $1000 to play over time is right up there with any of those money grab games. They didn't go for the console versions, nor the Sims Social nor anything that veered off course. We are what EA/Maxis called the hardcore bunch who won't conform to all of that sort of gameplay....and they are right. We won't. One thing is for certain a new pack will break something in an old pack and rarely get fixed so, when those who keep buying for fifteen more years that GTW first EP will probably have burned up eventually inside the pc and not even remembered because it's more like buy a kid a toy, throw it down and buy another, and what's left on the floor becomes trash.

    I'm just wondering how Maxis intends to compete with itself when they release TS5 (or whatever) and pit one team against another and loyal TS4 players against the new game's players. That's going to be interesting to see new players say how horrible TS4 is compared to Maxis' new baby. And then devs tell the fans, oh, no, you have never seen emotions like these in the new game...the ones we sold you in TS4 were all a lie, we have made the best of all time in TS5. Or tell the fans they were good at selling that fiction and with a straight face tell you TS4 didn't have emotions. Nor even multitasking as they told the fans of TS2 and even TS3. Or something as ridiculous as saying for the first time ever, you can add wallpapers and your own floor tiles in the series while they keep selling packs and kits for TS4 but telling you how awful it was (what they said about TS3) so you will buy TS5.

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  • simgirl1010simgirl1010 Posts: 28,535 Member
    Another 5 years? 😀 Time for a laptop upgrade.
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  • Atreya33Atreya33 Posts: 3,082 Member
    I don't know how to feel about this. I enjoy sims 4 and want to keep playing it at the moment. Iam worriedabout how many additional bugs we will get over time. But on the other hand all the rumours about sims 5 being only online, multiplayer and subscriptions, I don't really look forward. Of course these are all rumours at the moment and we have no clue about what sims 5 will be like. I hope sims 5 will allow single player sandbox. Otherwise I will just skip it and stick with sims 4.
  • nasch_katzenasch_katze Posts: 130 Member
    As controversial as this might seem... I'm glad. TS4 is a good game. It's not TS3 or TS2, it's its own thing, its own experience. Over the past year, The Sims team have shown that they are actively listening to the community and do their best to build upon the game to make the experience an even better one.

    Even if it might take time (development and production doesn't happen overnight), I'm convinced that the game is going to get even better, bit by bit. It's already happening!
  • comicsforlifecomicsforlife Posts: 9,327 Member
    yay !!!
    more for sim kids and more drama please
  • SheriSim57SheriSim57 Posts: 5,973 Member
    edited May 2021
    If 4 is going to be around that long I would sure like to see some upgrades to it like having an upgrade to clothing, where you have to purchase clothes like build/buy, and can put clothes into a dresser, where you buy jewelry, and shoes and socks all separately and bought jewelry can go in a jewelry box etc. and you can only use pieces you bought, and where you can buy off of racks of clothes......retail really needs an upgrade. There should also be vegetable bins, fruit bins, frozen food items, meat etc. that you can buy ( a regular grocery store. Ok...... that’s Retail upgrade.

    I would also like to see an upgrade where children can play games without objects such as tag. Children also need to be able to do more things in the neighborhood they are in..... bike riding, skating and skateboarding on the street or sidewalks..... and while conversing with other children. There needs to be a lot more for children to do...... the puppet show, and void critter game are great, but they need more. Big families or groups of children should be able to play volleyball, four square or hopscotch, or ride on a merry-go round together and get dizzy.

    Babies need to be freed and given a life. For those of us that play with aging off that is a must. They need to have nursery items, be able to change their clothes and diapers on a changing table, play with rattles and under can activity mad, ride in a baby swing, have a crib, go off the lot with parents. Babies and toddler need to be able to be pushed in a stroller. Toddlers should have push toys and ride ons.

    Romance is the game is limited...... but they have added things like relax in bed and watch tv in bed. Now they need some romantic bed interactions, such as cuddling, and spooning. They need to add couples dancing together, both slow and fast, not just dancing off by themselves. They need to be able to buy wedding outfits, have bridal showers and bachelorette/ bachelor parties. They need to play footsies in restaurants ( by the way restaurants need to be fixed ). Couples should be able to go on romantic picnics, have romantic interactions on a bear rug. They need to be able to stay in a HOTEL for their honeymoon and play in a casino.

    Bring us packs with farm animals ( where we can make big farms or small farms), horses, with rodeo events, them parks with rides and carnival events, zoo’s, water parks, state fairs....... ones that we can create on a lot ourself where there can be plenty of fun interactions and food stands. , and where we can put some of these things together to make our own parks. Don’t make each world with just their own events ( like snowy escape ), let us put ski slopes in any mountainous area, sled on any lot with a hill..... etc. let us make choices.....

    Give us lots where we can do multiple things, like dining, retail, dancing, and other fun activities together..... put together our own mall with retail and food stands and entertainment.

    And gives us more active jobs with workplaces ( we can edit somewhat without cheating ). I loved the back to work careers..... I want to see more of them.
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