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My Problem with The Sims Spark'd

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    SimmerGeorgeSimmerGeorge Posts: 2,724 Member
    Why did the game have to get involved in Showbiz in the first place? This is exactly the satirical behavior featured in the Sims 1 to make fun of modern society.
    I was so excited when I heard about the GameChangers program because I honestly thought they would contribute to a better game and represent the community but they are just walking, breathing advertisments.
    It's not bad to want money, especially if you're a company in this competitive world. Just try to make money in a consumer friendly way is all I'm asking. Or this is going to take a dark turn.
    Where's my Sims 5 squad at?
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    CAPTAIN_NXR7CAPTAIN_NXR7 Posts: 4,576 Member
    The tables have turned. This Showbiz is simulating the simulation.
    Although it doesn't quite know yet that it's doing it.
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    Flexono1Flexono1 Posts: 326 Member
    Accidentally posted this in another thread but......

    I wonder if they are going to do anything to stop the #stolen re-uploads that seem to be dominating the most popular downloads...

    Stealing content to re-upload for a competition just seems shady.
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    OrangeSodaSINOrangeSodaSIN Posts: 58 Member
    Why did the game have to get involved in Showbiz in the first place? This is exactly the satirical behavior featured in the Sims 1 to make fun of modern society.
    I was so excited when I heard about the GameChangers program because I honestly thought they would contribute to a better game and represent the community but they are just walking, breathing advertisments.
    It's not bad to want money, especially if you're a company in this competitive world. Just try to make money in a consumer friendly way is all I'm asking. Or this is going to take a dark turn.

    oh i agree, it would be nice.
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    SimAlexandriaSimAlexandria Posts: 4,845 Member
    edited July 2020
    calaprfy wrote: »
    Are these people only famous in the simming world? I live in the same town as Plumbella but hadn't heard of her until I played this game.

    Plumbella is the only one I've heard of or recognized, I didn't know any were famous except her and even her only cuz someone pointed out she was in it so I was looking for her haha! I think it's definitely the simming world.

    I'm not going to watch the show, but I mean part of that is because I have no time for tv and no access to the channel (I'm not American and don't have cable) so wasn't a hard choice haha!

    Whether it was a good idea or not for me depends.. I'd want to see the stats on whether it uses more money than it brings in.
    If the show brings in a lot of money than waht was spent from ad revenue and new fans buying the Sims and they use that money to improve the game, then I'm all for it haha.

    If not, then nah! I know it's a diff budget but maybe make some cuts from advertise and give to development.

    The competition isn't a problem for me cuz everyone can play on their own and aren't forced to do challenges just cuz they do on the show
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    bixtersbixters Posts: 2,299 Member
    Scobre wrote: »
    Multiple sources within the program and who were in the program. But this explains a lot of what is going on. Honestly makes me guilty being in the EA Playtester program hearing things like this happening. I have helped teens reach to the team before of things going on within the program on Twitch channels. https://wildlyminiaturesandwich.tumblr.com/post/623599590034358272/why-i-left-the-ea-game-changer-program End of the day I just want the community to feel safe, but this explains a lot why the community still remains broken 6 years later. So it is like with the BLM movement going on and other human rights being talked about. If it is ignored within the Sims community too than how am I or anyone else supposed to feel safe? Something needs to change and Spark'd just feels like salt in the wound because it encourages this type of behavior.

    Wow.. that link was eye opening. Quite sad really. Some of the Game Changers need to get off their high horses. They are not the arbiters of the Sims. They're just Youtubers, along with a million other Youtubers. They don't get paid by EA. Once they're middle aged, and their no longer young and attractive, no one will care about them or watch their channels. I just can't stand Youtubers who let the "fame" get to their heads.

    As far as how Maxis and EA treat them, and the favoritism involved, it doesn't particularly surprise me. They want the most free advertising as possible from them, and if someone is "slacking," they ramp up the competition. This just makes for a horrible work environment where everyone is jealous of each other.

    And I'm sure EA picked their "favorites" for this reality show as well.
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    Paigeisin5Paigeisin5 Posts: 2,143 Member
    Gosh, I release my competitive side while playing games where competitiveness has meaning. Why in the world would I want to compete against Simmers? Why would I want to watch my fellow Simmers try to get one up on another Simmer in the hope of winning a cash prize? It feels so wrong. Give me a few weapons, some new maps, and players that understand the meaning of a battle royale game, and I can be competitive as heck. But the idea of the SIMS as a competitive game just blows my mind, and not in a good way. It's a gimmick. Straight up. Are the folks at EA/Maxis so bored they need this to fill some kind of need? It isn't enough to put out a good game that has millions of devoted fans from all over the world, so they have to take it down the road of 'reality TV' to feel complete? Talk about grabbing at straws in order to pull in more fans they can disappoint with broken dlc. The sales numbers would skyrocket if we ever got a new pack that didn't have broken features or broke features from older packs. Origin would crash on a daily basis while trying to keep up with the sales and preorders if we had more faith in what was coming out of the studio. Because the offerings haven't been all that good lately, to be totally honest. I'll take a hard pass on this entire Spark'd thing, thank you very much. If and when I feel the need to be competitive, I'll load up PUBg and play with others who understand what the word competitive really means. Watching other players build fantastic looking structures or create a video with a story, isn't my idea of entertainment. All I am doing is watching someone else play Sims4. And I'd much prefer to play the game on my own without worrying about competing with someone else. Now if you'll excuse me, I am going to play Sims4 and try to work around all the new bugs that came with Eco Lifestyle.
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    texxx78texxx78 Posts: 5,657 Member
    Paigeisin5 wrote: »
    Gosh, I release my competitive side while playing games where competitiveness has meaning. Why in the world would I want to compete against Simmers? Why would I want to watch my fellow Simmers try to get one up on another Simmer in the hope of winning a cash prize? It feels so wrong. Give me a few weapons, some new maps, and players that understand the meaning of a battle royale game, and I can be competitive as heck. But the idea of the SIMS as a competitive game just blows my mind, and not in a good way. It's a gimmick. Straight up. Are the folks at EA/Maxis so bored they need this to fill some kind of need? It isn't enough to put out a good game that has millions of devoted fans from all over the world, so they have to take it down the road of 'reality TV' to feel complete? Talk about grabbing at straws in order to pull in more fans they can disappoint with broken dlc. The sales numbers would skyrocket if we ever got a new pack that didn't have broken features or broke features from older packs. Origin would crash on a daily basis while trying to keep up with the sales and preorders if we had more faith in what was coming out of the studio. Because the offerings haven't been all that good lately, to be totally honest. I'll take a hard pass on this entire Spark'd thing, thank you very much. If and when I feel the need to be competitive, I'll load up PUBg and play with others who understand what the word competitive really means. Watching other players build fantastic looking structures or create a video with a story, isn't my idea of entertainment. All I am doing is watching someone else play Sims4. And I'd much prefer to play the game on my own without worrying about competing with someone else. Now if you'll excuse me, I am going to play Sims4 and try to work around all the new bugs that came with Eco Lifestyle.

    This! Competition makes no sense in the sims.

    ...And let's wait for the drama. Reality tv is all about drama and they won't loose the chance to milk it as much as they can.
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    CAPTAIN_NXR7CAPTAIN_NXR7 Posts: 4,576 Member
    edited July 2020
    @bixters wrote: »
    Once they're middle aged, and their no longer young and attractive, no one will care about them or watch their channels.

    I get where you’re coming from, but age has nothing to do with being attractive. There are some fine looking species around of all ages, and depending on what you’re watching them for, they can only get more interesting if they have charm, charisma, perhaps an interesting outlook on life, they create great content, etc.
    Someone with sex appeal may get some extra subscribers, but if their content is unsatisfactory, it all wears off quickly. Sure I‘m always happy to look at a pretty face, but if the stuff the face comes out with creates a serious sensory overload, I’m outta there within 5 seconds of tuning in and I’ll never come back.
    If whatever they produce has substance when they’re 26, there’s no reason it can’t still be good or even better when they’re 76. Whether they wear bright pink hair or a grey poodle on their head.
    It’s the quality of content that matters in the end, but its true that a lot of Youtubers somehow become their own content and when that gets out of hand it can get pretty ugly.

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    CAPTAIN_NXR7CAPTAIN_NXR7 Posts: 4,576 Member
    edited July 2020
    Paigeisin5 wrote: »
    Gosh, I release my competitive side while playing games where competitiveness has meaning. Why in the world would I want to compete against Simmers? Why would I want to watch my fellow Simmers try to get one up on another Simmer in the hope of winning a cash prize? It feels so wrong. Give me a few weapons, some new maps, and players that understand the meaning of a battle royale game, and I can be competitive as heck. But the idea of the SIMS as a competitive game just blows my mind, and not in a good way. It's a gimmick. Straight up. Are the folks at EA/Maxis so bored they need this to fill some kind of need? It isn't enough to put out a good game that has millions of devoted fans from all over the world, so they have to take it down the road of 'reality TV' to feel complete? Talk about grabbing at straws in order to pull in more fans they can disappoint with broken dlc. The sales numbers would skyrocket if we ever got a new pack that didn't have broken features or broke features from older packs. Origin would crash on a daily basis while trying to keep up with the sales and preorders if we had more faith in what was coming out of the studio. Because the offerings haven't been all that good lately, to be totally honest. I'll take a hard pass on this entire Spark'd thing, thank you very much. If and when I feel the need to be competitive, I'll load up PUBg and play with others who understand what the word competitive really means. Watching other players build fantastic looking structures or create a video with a story, isn't my idea of entertainment. All I am doing is watching someone else play Sims4. And I'd much prefer to play the game on my own without worrying about competing with someone else. Now if you'll excuse me, I am going to play Sims4 and try to work around all the new bugs that came with Eco Lifestyle.

    I have no interest in reality shows. No interest in Spark’d. No interest in the Sims becoming a platform for competitive play.

    But I’m willing to take it a bit further and look at it from a different perspective.
    This has to do with my profession.

    I work in the creative industry. Not only that, part of my job requires me to supervise, judge and rate people’s content based on their creativity and workflow. Luckily I’m in a position where I can design my own set of rules that people need to follow within a specific piece of software or principle. If you work outside of those rules, the rating goes down. Let’s say 80% goes towards working within those rules. However, the other 20% goes to the creativity of that person. The latter is the toughest one to judge, because it’s subjective. I can’t just judge the remaining 20% based on my professionalism, instead, I have to judge it as an audience member. I sometimes have to judge with my heart. And my heart doesn’t always speak the same language as other people’s hearts.

    I can say something looks decent, because the creator understands basic principles and techniques and used their ability to apply that to their work.
    But some creations have that WOW factor. Use of colour, a motion, a story, a piece of music, if it can touch me somehow, even on an emotional level, it doesn’t matter how much they worked outside of the 80% of rules. I’m sold. That’s why I design the 80% of strict working within the rules to not only give that person a fair chance, but also myself.

    The problem I have with a lot of art competitions, is that the set of rules are not always as defined as the designers of that competition think they are. It’s also unlikely that those rules are as fair as they would like the participants or the audience to believe. That 20% of subjective judgment that I mentioned above, becomes a whopping 80 - 100%.

    Spark’d is no more than any other Reality TV Art competition. Instead of a canvas, a set of brushes, pen and paper, what’s the tool they use? The Sims 4. The Teams use it to tell a story. To create a piece of architecture. To model and style a doll.

    The teams won’t be judged based on their technical abilities to work with a piece of software. It’s true that they need a fair understanding of how CAS, BB and the camera in live mode functions: A person can’t work beyond The Sims 4’s technical limitations, but once that understanding is there they‘re free to do whatever they want. There’s no right or wrong.

    However, a reality TV art, cooking, baking or designing competition show has actually very little to do with the form of artistry that’s being utilized to give the show content or a name. Ultimately it has got nothing to do with those tools.

    Reality tv has a very distinct formula and goal:
    It exists solely for the drama between the people who participate in it and the audience who’s entertained by that drama. No more, no less.
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    SimmerGeorgeSimmerGeorge Posts: 2,724 Member
    @CAPTAIN_NXR7 I can very much understand your point because personally I work in Showbiz and I can tell you judging someone's creativity or deciding which performer is better than another is no easy feat.
    A lot of deciding of who gets which job is based on a more subjective perception of the performers and many times casting directors can't really pinpoint exactly why they choose a certain performer for a job. You might be the most skilled performer in the audition but they might choose someone else because they think he is more suited in their opinion, he looks a certain way or is charming or has connections etc.
    This leads to a lot of frustration in the people that didn't get selected because there is no objectivity in the selection process because art can never be judged 100% on an obejctive level.

    Though the Sims is not art, it is still a game about creating and expressing yourself. Once you start judging people on whose personal way of "self-expression" is more creative or better than another person's, you can bet there will be frustration. Especially since the Spark'd challenges are critiqued 40% on the aspect of "Creativity"
    I took this from the official Spark'd page:

    "CREATIVITY (40%)
    How creative is the submission? Is that creativity coherently expressed? Were relevant aspects of The Sims™ 4 used creatively?"

    This to me is already problematic because it is nearly impossible to judge objectively. Same goes for the "wow factor" and the "advanced Sims techniques" they plan to judge the entries on.
    Where's my Sims 5 squad at?
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    Estraven63Estraven63 Posts: 4 New Member
    Leaving the discussion about competitive 'reality' shows, I want to give you my thoughts about this so called creative competition. Viewing the top entries so far, I can only say it's rigged against the majority of the Sims community.
    I see entries that have little, or nothing to do with the wedding theme, I see the use of CC content, copycats, etc. And most of all players who use their Youtube, Switch accounts, dedicated to playing Sims, to get votews.
    In regular competitions there are usually rules that exclude employees and associates from entering. And Youtubers etc witn Sims content/channels have financial motives, even though they are not on the EA payroll. Therefore they should be excluded from entering the Spark'd challenges.
    It would have been better also that every entry should be monitored BEFORE appearing on the Spark'd gallery.
    Maybe even having a time frame for people submitting their creative work, and then have a time frame for the community to vote.
    I can only hope some changes will be made so it can really be about a creative challenge for the WHOLE community.

    And just to be claear, I love to create with the Sims. And I entered the competition for the creative fun, and for the feedback of the community. Idc for any prices or awards. Besides, I'm European so no chance in hell I'll ever appear on tv :D
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    Placebo7Placebo7 Posts: 107 Member
    Why did the game have to get involved in Showbiz in the first place? This is exactly the satirical behavior featured in the Sims 1 to make fun of modern society.

    THIS. Such a great point. TS1 was almost counterculture, which is what made it so cool and fun. That same humor still existed in TS2. Now, TS4 is trying so hard to be part of culture, begging tweens and teens to love it by participating in all the things the game used to wink at. It's just not very...smart, anymore.
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    logionlogion Posts: 4,791 Member
    Scobre wrote: »
    Scobre wrote: »
    bixters wrote: »
    babajayne wrote: »

    The drama seemed real to me when I watched the full episode.

    I only watched the 4 minute clip, so I only saw that little bit. You'd think since their in the same profession, they should all try and get along? I mean they're adults. But I assume their manipulating the footage to make it look more dramatic than it actually is.
    They don't. Drama I have heard about on their discord channel is even worst which is making many uncomfortable and wanting to leave the program. So I think Spark'd show actually had to tone it down to make it work for the reality show.

    @Scobre Could you elaborate more on your source 'cause I'm curious.
    Multiple sources within the program and who were in the program. But this explains a lot of what is going on. Honestly makes me guilty being in the EA Playtester program hearing things like this happening. I have helped teens reach to the team before of things going on within the program on Twitch channels. https://wildlyminiaturesandwich.tumblr.com/post/623599590034358272/why-i-left-the-ea-game-changer-program End of the day I just want the community to feel safe, but this explains a lot why the community still remains broken 6 years later. So it is like with the BLM movement going on and other human rights being talked about. If it is ignored within the Sims community too than how am I or anyone else supposed to feel safe? Something needs to change and Spark'd just feels like salt in the wound because it encourages this type of behavior.

    Pretty sad to read about this, I don't understand what is going on with the sims community lately.

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    Paigeisin5Paigeisin5 Posts: 2,143 Member
    @CAPTAIN_NXR7 I totally agree with what you have to say about the rules, and why drama is almost always part of the experience that is 'reality programming'. You said it all very well.
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    Flexono1Flexono1 Posts: 326 Member
    <snip> Especially since the Spark'd challenges are critiqued 40% on the aspect of "Creativity"
    I took this from the official Spark'd page:

    "CREATIVITY (40%)
    How creative is the submission? Is that creativity coherently expressed? Were relevant aspects of The Sims™ 4 used creatively?"

    This to me is already problematic because it is nearly impossible to judge objectively. Same goes for the "wow factor" and the "advanced Sims techniques" they plan to judge the entries on.

    The stupid thing about judging on creativity, is that they have actually stifled creativity by including too specific of a theme.

    Wedding destination would have been a perfect broad theme, and would have allowed a lot of variety in the types of creations people make....However making it so they have to fit specific sub-themes (beach,casino,spooky etc.) really limits what creations actually count
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    SimburianSimburian Posts: 6,931 Member
    edited July 2020
    We don't know what the budget is and the money spent will be just a drop in the ocean to EA. It's not on a worldwide channel is it? Most of us will have to see it on Buzzfeed later.

    On the other hand it might give the staff making the game some positive feedback on what experienced players can make with it and cheer them and most of us up during this world crisis. I'd like to see some of those game-changers under stress!

    It's all very well to have the Gallery but those who've been on it longest, most of them from 2014, have the most followers and newcomers are left far behind with only a few minutes to showcase their stuff before it rolls far down the screen. These challenges might encourage them & new builders and others to try their hand to get more recognition.

    It's one way of keeping players if a Sims 5 or similar is announced and especially if that version will be an online version.

    Just my opinion though, as I do tend to notice that most of the forum members are getting older and set in their ways. o:)>:)
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    ApparentlyAwesomeApparentlyAwesome Posts: 1,523 Member
    Why did the game have to get involved in Showbiz in the first place? This is exactly the satirical behavior featured in the Sims 1 to make fun of modern society.
    I was so excited when I heard about the GameChangers program because I honestly thought they would contribute to a better game and represent the community but they are just walking, breathing advertisments.
    It's not bad to want money, especially if you're a company in this competitive world. Just try to make money in a consumer friendly way is all I'm asking. Or this is going to take a dark turn.

    Well they've surpassed being a video game and become pop culture so why wouldn't they get more involved in showbiz?

    I remembered that tweet about how they're pop culture a few day after hearing about the show and that's when it became an eyeroll, duh sort of moment for me. Of course they'd do a reality show. What says 'we're part of pop culture' more than a reality competition show? They kill two birds with one stone. This, the US, is a country where people love reality shows like The Real Housewives and Love & Hip Hop, and people love competition shows like The Voice and The Bachelor. That's the type of attention they'd love to have along with the money that rolls in because of that attention.

    They have, at least for as long as I can remember, have dabbled in the showbiz side of things to a degree. Singers make simlish versions of songs that would even get played in the trailers, celebs would be in the video game, they'd even get big brand names on packs or items in the store, but they never forgot they were, in fact, a video game or what the video game was about and that's part of what's gone wrong to me.

    The video game, the gameplay the video game provided is what I loved about The Sims games, not the celebs and brands. I mostly ignored those unless it added something to my gameplay. I never cared, even back when I was a teenager and I'm still in my 20s. Strip away all the celebrity and brand name stuff from my favorite one in the series and I know I'd still be playing it regardless. If The Sims 4 didn't have the influencers, the game changers, and the celebs pushing this game how many people would still be into it as is or would've even bought it and continued buying packs? Some, but enough to carry on with the game as is or would they actually have to start improving the game itself to bring in more players?
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    crocobauracrocobaura Posts: 7,711 Member
    Why did the game have to get involved in Showbiz in the first place? This is exactly the satirical behavior featured in the Sims 1 to make fun of modern society.
    I was so excited when I heard about the GameChangers program because I honestly thought they would contribute to a better game and represent the community but they are just walking, breathing advertisments.
    It's not bad to want money, especially if you're a company in this competitive world. Just try to make money in a consumer friendly way is all I'm asking. Or this is going to take a dark turn.

    Well they've surpassed being a video game and become pop culture so why wouldn't they get more involved in showbiz?

    I remembered that tweet about how they're pop culture a few day after hearing about the show and that's when it became an eyeroll, duh sort of moment for me. Of course they'd do a reality show. What says 'we're part of pop culture' more than a reality competition show? They kill two birds with one stone. This, the US, is a country where people love reality shows like The Real Housewives and Love & Hip Hop, and people love competition shows like The Voice and The Bachelor. That's the type of attention they'd love to have along with the money that rolls in because of that attention.

    They have, at least for as long as I can remember, have dabbled in the showbiz side of things to a degree. Singers make simlish versions of songs that would even get played in the trailers, celebs would be in the video game, they'd even get big brand names on packs or items in the store, but they never forgot they were, in fact, a video game or what the video game was about and that's part of what's gone wrong to me.

    The video game, the gameplay the video game provided is what I loved about The Sims games, not the celebs and brands. I mostly ignored those unless it added something to my gameplay. I never cared, even back when I was a teenager and I'm still in my 20s. Strip away all the celebrity and brand name stuff from my favorite one in the series and I know I'd still be playing it regardless. If The Sims 4 didn't have the influencers, the game changers, and the celebs pushing this game how many people would still be into it as is or would've even bought it and continued buying packs? Some, but enough to carry on with the game as is or would they actually have to start improving the game itself to bring in more players?

    People watch influencer and game changer videos for the gameplay tips and tricks. This show has nothing they cannot already see on youtube or twitch. What they do have extra on the show is competition and the drama that accompanies it. Not sure that will bring in more players. I remember the first I heard about the Sims it was on the evening news, they showed a short clip from Hot Date and I thought that looked like a fun game that I'd like to play. It was a really short news segment, not a 5 hour show.
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    ApparentlyAwesomeApparentlyAwesome Posts: 1,523 Member
    crocobaura wrote: »
    Why did the game have to get involved in Showbiz in the first place? This is exactly the satirical behavior featured in the Sims 1 to make fun of modern society.
    I was so excited when I heard about the GameChangers program because I honestly thought they would contribute to a better game and represent the community but they are just walking, breathing advertisments.
    It's not bad to want money, especially if you're a company in this competitive world. Just try to make money in a consumer friendly way is all I'm asking. Or this is going to take a dark turn.

    Well they've surpassed being a video game and become pop culture so why wouldn't they get more involved in showbiz?

    I remembered that tweet about how they're pop culture a few day after hearing about the show and that's when it became an eyeroll, duh sort of moment for me. Of course they'd do a reality show. What says 'we're part of pop culture' more than a reality competition show? They kill two birds with one stone. This, the US, is a country where people love reality shows like The Real Housewives and Love & Hip Hop, and people love competition shows like The Voice and The Bachelor. That's the type of attention they'd love to have along with the money that rolls in because of that attention.

    They have, at least for as long as I can remember, have dabbled in the showbiz side of things to a degree. Singers make simlish versions of songs that would even get played in the trailers, celebs would be in the video game, they'd even get big brand names on packs or items in the store, but they never forgot they were, in fact, a video game or what the video game was about and that's part of what's gone wrong to me.

    The video game, the gameplay the video game provided is what I loved about The Sims games, not the celebs and brands. I mostly ignored those unless it added something to my gameplay. I never cared, even back when I was a teenager and I'm still in my 20s. Strip away all the celebrity and brand name stuff from my favorite one in the series and I know I'd still be playing it regardless. If The Sims 4 didn't have the influencers, the game changers, and the celebs pushing this game how many people would still be into it as is or would've even bought it and continued buying packs? Some, but enough to carry on with the game as is or would they actually have to start improving the game itself to bring in more players?

    People watch influencer and game changer videos for the gameplay tips and tricks. This show has nothing they cannot already see on youtube or twitch. What they do have extra on the show is competition and the drama that accompanies it. Not sure that will bring in more players. I remember the first I heard about the Sims it was on the evening news, they showed a short clip from Hot Date and I thought that looked like a fun game that I'd like to play. It was a really short news segment, not a 5 hour show.

    I wouldn't underestimate the drama factor, although I don't know whether or not they can pull it off well. From what I see everyday online drama can capture a lot of attention unfortunately. It drives people to look for the source of it and watch it all play out. People want to know "the tea". If the drama is deemed juicy enough some people will look for the show and that will draw some attention to the game.

    And tricks and tips aren't the only reason why people watch them. They also get watched for reviews, opinions, challenges, and other stuff and they make money off simply playing with The Sims 4. I'm not saying it's enough to make them rich but it's good work if you get popular enough.

    I agree it's stuff people can already watch without a reality competition show but that doesn't seem to matter. Regardless of what we may think, because unless it's hurting them from getting our money I doubt EA cares what we think, if other people can make money off simply playing with their product why wouldn't EA try to capitalize on or inch their way to being able to capitalize on that somehow, someway? Why wouldn't they try to make themselves more money? It's never mattered how ridiculous we thought an idea was before, even if it backfired in the end like some of us knew it would they still tried it.
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    WolfNateWolfNate Posts: 2,340 Member
    There is actually another problem with the show but it's more the community itself I guess? Wow just... Dang... 10 girls and 2 boys ow... JEEZ are their only 2 male streamers that are popular?! Just that's painful
    Occultism in Sims is family-friendly and should not be watered down to cater to realism players
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    Meela_PashtMeela_Pasht Posts: 705 Member
    If they were trying to attract people who may become new users and who didn’t have a clue what The Sims was, they failed at this. They just jumped right into the game, no explanation of what the Sims were. A brief history would have been nice. I don’t know what or who this show was catering to (it certainly was not me), but it wasn’t to attract new users. This is just my opinion.
    If you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything at all. Live in your Truth.
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    WolfNateWolfNate Posts: 2,340 Member
    If they were trying to attract people who may become new users and who didn’t have a clue what The Sims was, they failed at this. They just jumped right into the game, no explanation of what the Sims were. A brief history would have been nice. I don’t know what or who this show was catering to (it certainly was not me), but it wasn’t to attract new users. This is just my opinion.

    I think it's an attempt to make a non violent game into an eSport that gamers can enjoy.
    Occultism in Sims is family-friendly and should not be watered down to cater to realism players
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    SimmerGeorgeSimmerGeorge Posts: 2,724 Member
    edited July 2020
    WolfNate wrote: »
    If they were trying to attract people who may become new users and who didn’t have a clue what The Sims was, they failed at this. They just jumped right into the game, no explanation of what the Sims were. A brief history would have been nice. I don’t know what or who this show was catering to (it certainly was not me), but it wasn’t to attract new users. This is just my opinion.

    I think it's an attempt to make a non violent game into an eSport that gamers can enjoy.

    Yep there is a video by SimmerErin on Spark'd and E-Sports and she basically analyses how fast the popularity of E-Sports is increasing every year and the huge amount of money that is made from it.

    Of course EA would want to get into that with every game they own, no matter if that meant the game losing its identity.
    Where's my Sims 5 squad at?
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    CAPTAIN_NXR7CAPTAIN_NXR7 Posts: 4,576 Member
    WolfNate wrote: »
    There is actually another problem with the show but it's more the community itself I guess? Wow just... Dang... 10 girls and 2 boys ow... JEEZ are their only 2 male streamers that are popular?! Just that's painful

    Well in that case there is also a problem with the game.
    Men are heavily underrepresented: No body hair? No urinals?
    Yet they can get pregnant from an alien...
    That must be really painful...
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