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Horses? No. Stop.

TaquandaTaquanda Posts: 210 Member
Hey everyone,

I just have to share with all of you my opinion. I am SO triggered. I myself have been pretty sceptical about TS4 in the past on these forums. I didn't even want toddlers to begin with, but hanging around here made me want them too. I got really annoyed by the fact that EA seemed to just ignore all of us and our wishes. Guess what? They gave us toddlers. The ecstasy lasted for about a week, then new people started making threads called "We've got toddlers, next pets?". Creating pets probably took EA a HUGE amount of time. Just imagine all the programming, animating etc. and guess what? They gave us pets.

Now people are whining that there are no horses in this pack. Now come on. They gave us toddles, and now cats and dogs which are considered the two most common pets. Why would there be horses in a pet pack? I never understood the addition of horses in TS3, but in TS3 you had a better use of them because there was an open world.

Do you want to hang out on your lot and have a random horse walking around? Why do random horses make sense? The first thing I did after installing TS3 was switching off stray horses, because why is that even a thing? I don't imagine anyone in real life would like to sit on their couch watching tv and having a horse next to them on their couch. It. Just. Makes. No. Sense.

Of course, we can all wish what we want. But please. The devs just showed us quadrupeds are possible and there might even be a "farm animal" pack in which horses would make much more sense. Let's not take the HUGE amount of work the devs put in ANY game for granted. Just imagine how hard it is for them? They are trying to focus on more content but instead we are all whining.

Please stop the "I'm not getting this because there are no horses" nonsense. Because we all know you're getting it anyway. Because cats and dogs are friggin' cute.

Amen.

btw: it's so funny how on the Facebook posts about this pack, the people who ask "where are the horses" 7 out of 10 time have profile pictures with horses. Ugh.
Sorry for any grammar or other mistakes. English is not my native language. :)

Comments

  • LoanetLoanet Posts: 2,613 Member
    Maybe we'll get a zoo pack, rather than farming?
    "I'm not saying Stuff Packs thrill me to my wretched, rotting core. I'm just saying that we only get one expansion pack a year because Devs only have one pair of hands. You want to buy more half-finished packs like Get To Work? Do you?"
  • halloweenchildhalloweenchild Posts: 609 Member
    I think many people want quantity over quality, and they dont think about exactly what quality and quantity are. It shows how many youngsters play ts4. Imho the want for quality over quantity, comes with maturity.

    I can't agree with you more on that one.
  • Amber0922Amber0922 Posts: 70 Member
    I think many people want quantity over quality, and they dont think about exactly what quality and quantity are. It shows how many youngsters play ts4. Imho the want for quality over quantity, comes with maturity.

    Exactly. All I hear from the Sims community is "More! More! More!" I am completely happy with C&D if the quality is above average. They want all of this extra stuff and animals and abilities. Imho, it slowed down my TS3 game even with a high grade gaming computer. It was too much junk.
  • vickyloovickyloo Posts: 131 Member
    I can certainly see why some people are upset and think we are getting less than before BUT, we don't fully know what's in the pack or what future packs will be released! Also people are totally forgetting we have a new career in with the pack and probably loads of new skills, collectibles etc. Yes i liked the horses and would like to have them in my game but, is that going to stop me buying cats and dogs nope as with all the extras we are getting plus more stuff that we don't know about yet, Maxis have given us what we have asked for maybe not fully for some people but it's a start right? Also the bottom line is if your not happy with the pack no one is forcing you to buy it, watch some let's plays when it comes out and then decide.
  • jackjack_kjackjack_k Posts: 8,592 Member
    edited August 2017
    @Namaya92 wrote: »
    @jackjack_k I completely agree with you on that. My disappointment is completely directed towards EA not towards the developers. EA does rake in a lot of profits off their backs though. Anyways I won't go into detail too much about this because posts that contain this kind of criticism have been known to be deleted here. I actually posted a rant about EA on my tumblr today. I won't link it here but there's a link to my tumblr in my sig if you want to check it out. It's exactly like you said: my suspicion is that they simply didn't get enough budget to create decent content. You and I are actually on the same level in this matter.

    Sims 3 was nowhere near a recyclement of Sims 2 though. It's so much more than Sims 2 in many ways. I can't say the same about Sims 4 compared to Sims 3. It's a step backwards (and probably because of budget cuts) no matter how you look at it.

    I agree, but The Sims 3 could be "more" because they had The Sims 2 engine to start with and then added on more to each.

    The Sims 4 is a great engine, and you can see the work and passion they have put into the game, but yeah, you can tell the limitations come from the budget itself. When you see the devs on twitter answer questions like "What are the chances of Color Wheels outside of Pets?" with "We focused 100% on CAP" you can tell they know that certain decisions seem odd, but they it was either add a feature to the best they could, or not bother.

    Like with Apartments, they probably had the choice to make really good apartments with extra gameplay, but for SM only, or make run of the mill, single household only apartments if they made it so you could add them anywhere.

    The budget doesn't allow for both. Also, things like CAP, show that the engine *can* do things and is flexible (people on here say it's a plum one) but it's whether they have the money to put towards it. I reckon if EA funded a color wheel for hair, we'd have one asap.


    When you see that they argued between Non Playable and Playable Pets for months, that's a clear sign to me they couldn't afford both play styles.
  • Namaya92Namaya92 Posts: 934 Member
    @jackjack_k yeah it just makes me sad that EA won't even allow for a slight budget increase so that they can do much more with the game. I mean you can always see how far they could really go with their engine by the CC and mods that are out there. It's not like the developers aren't capable of creating the same kind of stuff. They just have limited money and freedom. There will always be a marketing director from EA out there saying 'You need to do it like this because we saw it in this really popular mobile game that is making a ton of money so we want it like that' (just a very simple example). When you are bound to a publishing company especially a really big one like EA or Ubisoft (also not very fond of that one lol), you don't have as much freedom as you have when you are for example Frontier Developments and don't have to answer to anyone but yourself.
  • jackjack_kjackjack_k Posts: 8,592 Member
    @Namaya92 wrote: »
    @jackjack_k yeah it just makes me sad that EA won't even allow for a slight budget increase so that they can do much more with the game. I mean you can always see how far they could really go with their engine by the CC and mods that are out there. It's not like the developers aren't capable of creating the same kind of stuff. They just have limited money and freedom. There will always be a marketing director from EA out there saying 'You need to do it like this because we saw it in this really popular mobile game that is making a ton of money so we want it like that' (just a very simple example). When you are bound to a publishing company especially a really big one like EA or Ubisoft (also not very fond of that one lol), you don't have as much freedom as you have when you are for example Frontier Developments and don't have to answer to anyone but yourself.

    I almost wonder if The Sims 5 will use an expanded Sims 4 engine. It would be interesting to see The Sims 4 with more of a budget.

    I remember even The Sims 2 base game had budget cuts (like Weather and Cars) but they also cut scenery like you saw in The Sims Bustin Out/Sims Urbz, and half heartedly added it back in with Uni (2D sprites woohoo).

    I almost wonder if The Sims 5 does reuse the Sims 4, if it will be more what people expected with The Sims 4. Perhaps more Open Areas, more customisation, Toddlers etc from the start.

    It's interesting to think about.
  • Namaya92Namaya92 Posts: 934 Member
    edited August 2017
    @jackjack_k I don't know. They'd have to change a lot about the Sims 4 engine. I honestly don't believe there will be a Sims 5 like sims as we know it. I think they either might go towards an online gaming direction or focus more on the mobile market because it's more profitable and costs less money. I can see Maxis leaving EA if something like that were to happen though. For me, Sims 5 should at least have an adjustable world again and preferably no loading screens. As in: we should be able to move around lots on the map, to adjust sizes of lots etc. There should be a CAW tool as well. I don't know if that's possible with the current Sims 4 engine.
  • Horrorgirl6Horrorgirl6 Posts: 1,620 Member
    Namaya92 wrote: »
    @jackjack_k I don't know. They'd have to change a lot about the Sims 4 engine. I honestly don't believe there will be a Sims 5 like sims as we know it. I think they either might go towards an online gaming direction or focus more on the mobile market because it's more profitable and costs less money. I can see Maxis leaving EA if something like that were to happen though. For me, Sims 5 should at least have an adjustable world again and preferably no loading screens. As in: we should be able to move around lots on the map, to adjust sizes of lots etc. There should be a CAW tool as well. I don't know if that's possible with the current Sims 4 engine.

    Well since sims 4 was Olympus engine. I think there not going to use this engine ever again. Its too limited,whic make sense because this is meant to be an online game. If we do get a sims 5, will either get new engines or go back to the old one.
  • ElenPinkElenPink Posts: 540 Member
    Facts!! Thank you for this!! In fact, I might make my own thread discussing something similar to this!!

    I'm so happy I'm not the only one. Since day one people have been whining about Pets. There has been multiple threads about it, written by the same people, too. It's like some of you guys have nothing else to do with your time.

    A thread asking what you want the next ep to be? Pets.

    Patches come out? People whining about why pets weren't patched in. (??? Seriously?)

    I unfortunately belong in the small community of not wanting what the majority wants, which includes seasons, pets, and laundry. I want new things. But sadly, most players just want the same things, even though they can easily go back to the sims 3 and play with their lovely animals and passive seasons there.

    Lo and behold!! Pets was announced!! Everyone must be happy, right? WRONG.
    Now they're complaining about pets not being controllable. Now they're asking for seasons (please people, be quiet about seasons for once), and horses not being included like op mentioned, and this and that. Like, are you kidding me?? The devs gave you what you wanted!! And you guys have the audacity to still whine as if the world revolves around you! No!!!

    Be grateful for what you have! Coding is not easy!! I took one coding class and I can't believe how these devs are able to do these things!! It's hard!!

    For goodness sakes, relax on the forums and let people who actually want new things (off the grid/farming) get a chance in the spot light!
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  • ChristianSimFanChristianSimFan Posts: 546 Member
    I want horses, even if you can't ride them. I also want critters and farm animals, I'd be willing to pay more just to get them. But if ts4 never does implement horses I'll still more than likely keep buying the EPs, SPs, and GPs because I have ts3 as a backup that does have horses.
  • uo_aaronjduo_aaronjd Posts: 422 Member
    edited August 2017
    JoAnne65 wrote: »
    So you basically started a topic just to bash an opinion. Swell.

    You make it sound like its the first time its ever happened on these forums ;)

    Im extremly happy and grateful we are getting Cats and Dogs, cant wait! Looking forward to comparing them from their predecessors of Sims 2 and Sims 3 and exploreing Pets.....no we just need some weather.....

    @ElenPink I understand where your coming from but unfortunatly theres more money in majoritys than minoritys...bit of a bugger that but keep up the good fight!
    London, Manchester and Christchurch, Keep calm and carry on
  • DannydanboDannydanbo Posts: 17,423 Member
    Look at the improvement of Create A Pet. We can "paint" colors patterns, stripes, spots or whatever on our pets, even rainbows if we want. No more "pick a patch" of color and see if a spot on the tail looks good or not. The animal color wheel will make creating our pets so much more fun and easier than ever before. That alone, is such an improvement. Plus, I'm sure they added every possible breed they could find, even foxes and raccoons. Throw in the vet career and, for me, I'm definitely getting my moneys worth.
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