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Let's talk about the flawed emotion system
JasonRMJ
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I have a problem with this game's emotional system on treating sims emotion with it's flawed rating/grading mood. How in the H? can a Sim become happy (any positive emotion) in a decorated room with max motive when their love ones are gone in a day? and they are not very sentimental when they see their love ones grave. It just doesn't really make sense at all, when their emotion keeps changing back as positive to negative; vice versa. I find it extremely awkward to see my sims becoming happy in a moment when they lose a fight when they have the Self-Assured/Hot-Headed trait. How are they even smart sims, when they can't even control their emotion correctly? seriously you get depressed in a wedding while it's a happy moment in life. not only that a child sim can become "uncomfortable" when there's a monster in their bed, why isn't there a Fear/scared emotion when it's suitable?
The emotional system is a let down and has a very flawed scoring system that outweigh's certain emotion in favor for another one, with a grading system that overwhelm the mood of a sim.
I suggest that certain events that ties with the emotions must be made permanent until time passes. what do you think? Should the developers take a look at the emotions and add in a another crucial emotion (Scared)?
The emotional system is a let down and has a very flawed scoring system that outweigh's certain emotion in favor for another one, with a grading system that overwhelm the mood of a sim.
I suggest that certain events that ties with the emotions must be made permanent until time passes. what do you think? Should the developers take a look at the emotions and add in a another crucial emotion (Scared)?
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However, what you encounter in your game is a consequence of the emotion-system being very flexible and convenient in its outcome. Some simmers won't like it and I can totally understand that because if you don't use it appropriately it can be rather irritating and messed up sometimes. But I, personally have learned to work with 'emotions' and know about the potential for story telling the game provides with them.
For example, you plan a wedding and want everybody to become happy - no problem, after all the game gives you the tools to achieve it + you have several possibilities: Whether you decorate nicely, cook certain meals or trigger special interactions with certain sims it's all your choice.
Another example: you are at a get together with a group of sims and you want to make them fight/angry at each other. You can do the same. Always, at any time. You have control over the outcome of any conversation or action if you wish, even if your sims are not involved.
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Just for the record. The Sims 3 had a similar problem where sims sometimes didn't behave accordingly to their actions they had performed prior:
https://youtu.be/IL1X26I_83s?t=471
"Trips is very angry with Grace." --> Yet he still decides to kiss her autonomously.
To make it more realistic, the response to a Sim losing someone close to them should be something more like this:
+10 Sad moodlet for 2 days. They're going to be pretty sad while they're mourning, and it's going to take a lot of positive moodlets to pull them out of that before some time has passed.
+5 Sad moodlet for 24h after the first moodlet. The pain of grief is still strong, but it is healing.
+2 Sad moodlet for 24h after the second moodlet. They're adjusting okay to life without the one they've lost, and their baseline emotional state is returning to normal.
Another touch of realism could be added by allowing a Sim to have a keepsake from someone they've lost, which would give them the option to reminisce and have a chance of giving either a +1 Happy moodlet (from fond memories) or a +1 Sad moodlet (from missing them) for a few hours.
I think other major events should have a larger initial impact and a "tapering-off" effect like this as well. I just chose having someone die as an example because that's probably the most devastating thing that can happen to a Sim.
Yep! The Emotion Systems is very flawed. It conflicts with the traits and moodlets. I hate the Emotions system. I really do. I think it's overrated.
Other than that, I agree that the emotions system is totally wonky.
You have so many ways to achieve a certain emotional state. If you want to do it through conversations, go for it.
because the emotion system mimics the mental illnesses...for example your sims is sad because someone they loved one has passed and then becomes happy in the next day a few hours later they become sad back....sooo yeah
Sounds like real life to me --> 'sadness attacks' (sorry, don't know the proper english term for that). Many people experience it when something bad happens. Does not mean they are 100% of the time sad.
Edit: And btw. this is also how 'emotions' work in TS3. I always thought it was pretty accurate.
but for TS4 it's very profound to see their biological emotion change and change without any gradual healing...
Yes I was talking about the moodlets that ties in with the emotion and will gradually heal by itself....
this is what I wanted....
http://forums.thesims.com/en_US/discussion/815421/lets-discuss-the-emotions-reactions-and-wishes/p6
A post from February of 2015. Nothings changed and nothing probably ever will. Its a one size fits all Sims world.
kim
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Did you even read this topic? I guess not.
Yes/ Page 6 is very revealing.
Its wonderful you are pleased with the game and in YOUR opinion its great. That is your opinion. Not everyone agrees. Am I not allowed to voice my opinion with out snarky replies? This is the second topic tonight. Is your opinion the only one allowed. Why are your reposes always personal?
kim
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Heh? Since I quoted you of course my answer is kind of personal O.o .
To answer your question: Yes, you are allowed to 'voice your opinion'. However, I just wished you would have considered our discussion on this topic.
Have a Lovely evening.
kim
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I wish they would try to make it a bit more fun to play around with in a future patch. As of now, years later with packs which have absolutely no relevance to emotions, it just seems like they aren't paying much attention to it anymore. Maybe they are, and it's just so minimal that I haven't noticed, such as small moodlet effects.
I think it could definitely be revised into a system that is more fun and engaging to experiment with.
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Also OP can you change the topic of this thread, it's not a good idea to claim that a serious mental illness like bipolar is similar to how sims switch emotions constantly. Bipolar Disorder is NOT just switching between happy and sad emotions there is so much more to it than that, it causes a lot of distress to so many people every year in their life and by assuming it's just switching between happy and sad overly simplifies all the other effects and pain those who do have the disorder suffer through. Also psychosis and dementia don't really relate to the sims emotion system at all. Maybe the thread could just be "Let's talk about the flawed emotion system"? It's shorter and gets your point across, no need to include mental illnesses to prove your point that the emotion system is flawed and terrible.
It - the eomotion system - works well and therefore as intended. Don't see a problem here.
But I agree it would be cool if it was possible to connect emotions to particular sims in certain situations. Sometimes it would really make sense.